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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'm not the PP, but seitan and tofu are both lowish in carbs. Edamame and black soybeans could also be added to the mix. Add some fats like avocado, nuts and seeds, and low-carb veggies.
Thanks, I wasn't sure about seitan, cos never tried it (at least knowingly), and now my body won't let me
I can't eat it either, it's just one of those weird factoids I have stored up there in my noggin. And yeah, pea protein was a good shout. I hate the taste of it, but Beyond Meat makes some good meat subs with it.1 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
How so?
I'm vegetarian, have been for over 20 years. I'm pretty darn healthy. It's not difficult to meet your nutritional requirements being vegetarian or vegan, though yes, some research to ensure you're doing that is always a good idea (though a nutrition class is OTT). Pretty sure you can also be a low carb vegan safely.
You can also raise children as vegans quite safely, so long as you are aware of meeting nutritional needs, so no need to call social services just because you disagree with someone else's ethical beliefs.
Cats, on the other hand, should never, ever be made to be vegan. They are obligate carnivores. If you don't want to feed your cat meat, don't get one.
Yep. Vegetarian for 25 years and my health markers just keep on improving as the weight goes down. Oh and I feed feral cats. They've been getting grain-free from me from the get-go.3 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'm not the PP, but seitan and tofu are both lowish in carbs. Edamame and black soybeans could also be added to the mix. Add some fats like avocado, nuts and seeds, and low-carb veggies.
Thanks, I wasn't sure about seitan, cos never tried it (at least knowingly), and now my body won't let me
I can't eat it either, it's just one of those weird factoids I have stored up there in my noggin. And yeah, pea protein was a good shout. I hate the taste of it, but Beyond Meat makes some good meat subs with it.
My protein powder is pea isolate. It's awesome. Especially if you add dark choc peanut butter to the chocolate one.One of my nieces is vegan and has been since she was a teenager. She runs marathons (as in two or three a month). Before children she and her husband (who is vegetarian because cheese) through-hiked the Pacific Crest trail from one end to the other. She's the healthiest one in our entire family.
Also vegetarian because cheese (well, all the dairy, actually). I was formerly all about the eggs as well, but that's another thing my body has decided to not let me eat, at least in any decent amount.1 -
Some "food" is not.9
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Alatariel75 wrote: »
Oh Japan how I doth love you so.3 -
scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
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Carlos_421 wrote: »
You just reminded me - I was at a 6th birthday and we played pass the parcel and the prizes level by level were these gorgeous smelling fruit candies. There was more then one of us kids who found out what scented soap tasted like that day....6 -
scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
not sure if the choice in foods aka being a vegetarian would be the main cause of the healthier you.
There are more omnivores that are your age that are as healthy if not healthier but it's not being touted that it has anything to do with their choice to eat meat.
Don't get me wrong...I have no issue with veganism or vegetarianism at all just wouldn't go as far to say they it's better.8 -
scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
not sure if the choice in foods aka being a vegetarian would be the main cause of the healthier you.
There are more omnivores that are your age that are as healthy if not healthier but it's not being touted that it has anything to do with their choice to eat meat.
Don't get me wrong...I have no issue with veganism or vegetarianism at all just wouldn't go as far to say they it's better.
None of us are saying it's better, we were disagreeing with the person who said we're pushing our luck. Ann used her own peer group as an illustration that long-term vegetarianism hasn't led to any dire health consequences for her.9 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
not sure if the choice in foods aka being a vegetarian would be the main cause of the healthier you.
There are more omnivores that are your age that are as healthy if not healthier but it's not being touted that it has anything to do with their choice to eat meat.
Don't get me wrong...I have no issue with veganism or vegetarianism at all just wouldn't go as far to say they it's better.
None of us are saying it's better, we were disagreeing with the person who said we're pushing our luck. Ann used her own peer group as an illustration that long-term vegetarianism hasn't led to any dire health consequences for her.
I got that and didn't say anyone was saying they were saying they were better....
but the way it was phrased can be taken the way I did....that being a vegetarian has an advantage over omnivores as far as "health" .6 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
not sure if the choice in foods aka being a vegetarian would be the main cause of the healthier you.
There are more omnivores that are your age that are as healthy if not healthier but it's not being touted that it has anything to do with their choice to eat meat.
Don't get me wrong...I have no issue with veganism or vegetarianism at all just wouldn't go as far to say they it's better.
None of us are saying it's better, we were disagreeing with the person who said we're pushing our luck. Ann used her own peer group as an illustration that long-term vegetarianism hasn't led to any dire health consequences for her.
I got that and didn't say anyone was saying they were saying they were better....
but the way it was phrased can be taken the way I did....that being a vegetarian has an advantage over omnivores as far as "health" .
No health advantage to vegetarianism IMO, and I've said so many times on "should I go veg" threads around here. This, despite studies that show an advantage - too darn many clean-livin' Seventh Day Adventists in those study populations.
As someone may've said around here sometime, "not what I meant, just how you're reading it".8 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
not sure if the choice in foods aka being a vegetarian would be the main cause of the healthier you.
There are more omnivores that are your age that are as healthy if not healthier but it's not being touted that it has anything to do with their choice to eat meat.
Don't get me wrong...I have no issue with veganism or vegetarianism at all just wouldn't go as far to say they it's better.
None of us are saying it's better, we were disagreeing with the person who said we're pushing our luck. Ann used her own peer group as an illustration that long-term vegetarianism hasn't led to any dire health consequences for her.
I got that and didn't say anyone was saying they were saying they were better....
but the way it was phrased can be taken the way I did....that being a vegetarian has an advantage over omnivores as far as "health" .
No health advantage to vegetarianism IMO, and I've said so many times on "should I go veg" threads around here. This, despite studies that show an advantage - too darn many clean-livin' Seventh Day Adventists in those study populations.
As someone may've said around here sometime, "not what I meant, just how you're reading it".
and even if it was meant that way who cares...?4 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
not sure if the choice in foods aka being a vegetarian would be the main cause of the healthier you.
There are more omnivores that are your age that are as healthy if not healthier but it's not being touted that it has anything to do with their choice to eat meat.
Don't get me wrong...I have no issue with veganism or vegetarianism at all just wouldn't go as far to say they it's better.
None of us are saying it's better, we were disagreeing with the person who said we're pushing our luck. Ann used her own peer group as an illustration that long-term vegetarianism hasn't led to any dire health consequences for her.
I got that and didn't say anyone was saying they were saying they were better....
but the way it was phrased can be taken the way I did....that being a vegetarian has an advantage over omnivores as far as "health" .
No health advantage to vegetarianism IMO, and I've said so many times on "should I go veg" threads around here. This, despite studies that show an advantage - too darn many clean-livin' Seventh Day Adventists in those study populations.
As someone may've said around here sometime, "not what I meant, just how you're reading it".
nope no health advantage regardless of the qty of studies as there are as many saying omnivores are....
and you are correct I seem to recall that being said "not what I meant" but said person being told that it was on the onus of the writer to convey tone properly so as not to cloud interpretation....not that I believe that because it is nearly impossible to absolutely ensure that interpretation matches what was meant in the written word or spoken as everyone has their own slant/bias when reading/listening. 9 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
not sure if the choice in foods aka being a vegetarian would be the main cause of the healthier you.
There are more omnivores that are your age that are as healthy if not healthier but it's not being touted that it has anything to do with their choice to eat meat.
Don't get me wrong...I have no issue with veganism or vegetarianism at all just wouldn't go as far to say they it's better.
None of us are saying it's better, we were disagreeing with the person who said we're pushing our luck. Ann used her own peer group as an illustration that long-term vegetarianism hasn't led to any dire health consequences for her.
I got that and didn't say anyone was saying they were saying they were better....
but the way it was phrased can be taken the way I did....that being a vegetarian has an advantage over omnivores as far as "health" .
No health advantage to vegetarianism IMO, and I've said so many times on "should I go veg" threads around here. This, despite studies that show an advantage - too darn many clean-livin' Seventh Day Adventists in those study populations.
As someone may've said around here sometime, "not what I meant, just how you're reading it".
and even if it was meant that way who cares...?
apparently me...as I was the one who made the comment that it didn't mean healthier...
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
not sure if the choice in foods aka being a vegetarian would be the main cause of the healthier you.
There are more omnivores that are your age that are as healthy if not healthier but it's not being touted that it has anything to do with their choice to eat meat.
Don't get me wrong...I have no issue with veganism or vegetarianism at all just wouldn't go as far to say they it's better.
None of us are saying it's better, we were disagreeing with the person who said we're pushing our luck. Ann used her own peer group as an illustration that long-term vegetarianism hasn't led to any dire health consequences for her.
I got that and didn't say anyone was saying they were saying they were better....
but the way it was phrased can be taken the way I did....that being a vegetarian has an advantage over omnivores as far as "health" .
No health advantage to vegetarianism IMO, and I've said so many times on "should I go veg" threads around here. This, despite studies that show an advantage - too darn many clean-livin' Seventh Day Adventists in those study populations.
As someone may've said around here sometime, "not what I meant, just how you're reading it".
and even if it was meant that way who cares...?
apparently me...as I was the one who made the comment that it didn't mean healthier...
If people want to feel superior let em...
"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent..."
–Eleanor Roosevelt
...I think this is credited to her.7 -
"woo"
LMAO...4 -
I didn't see anyone make any arguments about dietary superiority except as an individual choice based on preference and as a defensive response to an offensive gambit outlined in an earlier post.
I'm pretty confused by what's happened in this thread.
I'm married to an omnivore. I don't think my diet is superior to his. I think my diet is a superior choice for me because it suits my preferences, but I will defend that diet against anyone who thinks I can't be healthy on this diet, because that's bollocks.
And that was the genesis of this conversation, and the point in question. There never was a question of superiority, just a question over whether vegetarians and vegans can have healthy diets. How defending that we can by sharing that we're perfectly healthy became us asserting superiority is some next level projecting, imo.10 -
It perhaps will help to focus back on the comment that people were responding to.scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Vegetarians and vegans were accused of eating unhealthfully, and "playing Russian roulette with their health," so of course that someone is really healthy eating that way is responsive, and does not suggest that omnivores are unhealthy (there are threads on MFP where people say such things, basically all threads on that silly recent movie with Michael Greger et al., but no one said that here).6 -
Go figure. Unpopular opinions are exactly that.2
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lemurcat12 wrote: »It perhaps will help to focus back on the comment that people were responding to.scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Vegetarians and vegans were accused of eating unhealthfully, and "playing Russian roulette with their health," so of course that someone is really healthy eating that way is responsive, and does not suggest that omnivores are unhealthy (there are threads on MFP where people say such things, basically all threads on that silly recent movie with Michael Greger et al., but no one said that here).
I'd like to note that every regular veggie/vegan poster forum poster roundly derides that Greger movie and goes into the threads on it to argue against the nonsense it promotes.10 -
haha. There is a lot of woo-ing going on,
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »It perhaps will help to focus back on the comment that people were responding to.scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Vegetarians and vegans were accused of eating unhealthfully, and "playing Russian roulette with their health," so of course that someone is really healthy eating that way is responsive, and does not suggest that omnivores are unhealthy (there are threads on MFP where people say such things, basically all threads on that silly recent movie with Michael Greger et al., but no one said that here).
I'd like to note that every regular veggie/vegan poster forum poster roundly derides that Greger movie and goes into the threads on it to argue against the nonsense it promotes.
Oh, I definitely know that.0 -
cmriverside wrote: »Go figure. Unpopular opinions are exactly that.
Of course, but people's responses were being misconstrued, so I wanted to clarify by showing what they were responding to/why they were posting. Not sure why you'd have a problem with that, but eh.
The poster clearly was intending to make a controversial statement, and said as much at the end of her post (I didn't quote the whole thing).0 -
Flexible dieting lol1
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
not sure if the choice in foods aka being a vegetarian would be the main cause of the healthier you.
There are more omnivores that are your age that are as healthy if not healthier but it's not being touted that it has anything to do with their choice to eat meat.
Don't get me wrong...I have no issue with veganism or vegetarianism at all just wouldn't go as far to say they it's better.
None of us are saying it's better, we were disagreeing with the person who said we're pushing our luck. Ann used her own peer group as an illustration that long-term vegetarianism hasn't led to any dire health consequences for her.
I got that and didn't say anyone was saying they were saying they were better....
but the way it was phrased can be taken the way I did....that being a vegetarian has an advantage over omnivores as far as "health" .
No health advantage to vegetarianism IMO, and I've said so many times on "should I go veg" threads around here. This, despite studies that show an advantage - too darn many clean-livin' Seventh Day Adventists in those study populations.
As someone may've said around here sometime, "not what I meant, just how you're reading it".
and even if it was meant that way who cares...?
Well . . . I care whether what I write is perceived as I meant it. If it isn't, that's feedback that I've not communicated optimally. An opportunity for improvement, since communication is my goal. It takes two, but I only control one of them8 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
not sure if the choice in foods aka being a vegetarian would be the main cause of the healthier you.
There are more omnivores that are your age that are as healthy if not healthier but it's not being touted that it has anything to do with their choice to eat meat.
Don't get me wrong...I have no issue with veganism or vegetarianism at all just wouldn't go as far to say they it's better.
None of us are saying it's better, we were disagreeing with the person who said we're pushing our luck. Ann used her own peer group as an illustration that long-term vegetarianism hasn't led to any dire health consequences for her.
I got that and didn't say anyone was saying they were saying they were better....
but the way it was phrased can be taken the way I did....that being a vegetarian has an advantage over omnivores as far as "health" .
No health advantage to vegetarianism IMO, and I've said so many times on "should I go veg" threads around here. This, despite studies that show an advantage - too darn many clean-livin' Seventh Day Adventists in those study populations.
As someone may've said around here sometime, "not what I meant, just how you're reading it".
and even if it was meant that way who cares...?
Well . . . I care whether what I write is perceived as I meant it. If it isn't, that's feedback that I've not communicated optimally. An opportunity for improvement, since communication is my goal. It takes two, but I only control one of them
I think most of the time far too much is read into what people write but of course I understand your point...3 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »scythianlady wrote: »I think vegetarians are pushing their luck, and vegans are playing Russian roulette with their health.
Also, anyone thinking of going vegan should be required to take a nutrition class.
Anyone asking about a low carb vegan diet (I've seen that question asked on another thread) should be required to take a remedial nutrition class.
Finally, anyone raising children and requiring them to be vegan needs to have social services called on them.
It's a little chilly in my house tonight. I'll go back to lurking and let the incoming flames keep me warm.
43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates, I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
No flames, though.
not sure if the choice in foods aka being a vegetarian would be the main cause of the healthier you.
There are more omnivores that are your age that are as healthy if not healthier but it's not being touted that it has anything to do with their choice to eat meat.
Don't get me wrong...I have no issue with veganism or vegetarianism at all just wouldn't go as far to say they it's better.
None of us are saying it's better, we were disagreeing with the person who said we're pushing our luck. Ann used her own peer group as an illustration that long-term vegetarianism hasn't led to any dire health consequences for her.
I got that and didn't say anyone was saying they were saying they were better....
but the way it was phrased can be taken the way I did....that being a vegetarian has an advantage over omnivores as far as "health" .
No health advantage to vegetarianism IMO, and I've said so many times on "should I go veg" threads around here. This, despite studies that show an advantage - too darn many clean-livin' Seventh Day Adventists in those study populations.
As someone may've said around here sometime, "not what I meant, just how you're reading it".
and even if it was meant that way who cares...?
Well . . . I care whether what I write is perceived as I meant it. If it isn't, that's feedback that I've not communicated optimally. An opportunity for improvement, since communication is my goal. It takes two, but I only control one of them
I don't think you were trying to say you are better, but in a way your original statement did come across as you are healthier because of X (in this case X is vegetarian)
along with defending being a vegetarian is playing roulette (which I too agree is incorrect as far as choosing to be a vegetarian, no more so than omnivores are playing the same game)
*including original quote I responded to in order to hopefully avoid an further cloudiness on what happened in this particular part...43 years of vegetarian near-roulette so far: At age 61, healthier & stronger than most of my age-mates I'm feelin' pretty good about my future odds.
ps I don't see an issue with being a vegetarian/vegan as far as health goes
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