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stanmann571 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
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How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Beat me to it. Pretty sure that a cheese Lasagna is still Lasagna... May not be Sicilian, but....
We always looked at that Sicilian side of our family kind of funny anyway.
My grandmother never put cheese in her lasagna. She said her mother only made it that way when she was married to her second husband (the Sicilian) then stopped when he died.
According to Wikipedia, and I haven't dug through the sources, Lasagna is Neapolitan and was originally meatless.
Oh I better not tell my Grandmother that...
She probably knows but she may tell you that just because the Napolitans invented it Doesn't mean they did it right. Half Sicilian, half Calabrese here.6 -
VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
I'm in the UK and we don't use casserole as a descriptor for such a broad range of items as in the US (and certainly never for anything with pasta) so I don't know what else we'd call a pasta layered dish identical in every way to traditional lasagne save for the sauce. Just like pasta cooked with a sauce in the oven is pasta bake and not casserole which I think is what it would be called in the US (though I may be remembering that incorrectly).
Just to add, I understand it's not a traditional dish but then there are lots of variations within many cultures. It's just the passage of time and natural progression.
I'm curious @VintageFeline... what is a casserole in the UK? Is there anything you'd call a casserole, or is it just not a term used?
Usually cheap cuts of meat with root veg slow cooked. Basically a stew but would be cooked in a casserole dish (which is a specific kind of oven dish) in the oven.
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/collection/casserole1 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »64-yr old post menopausal woman with Hashimoto's hypothyroidism who lost 75 lbs and reached my goal weight.
CICO definitely worked for me.
Haven't jumped out of any trees lately, though.
35 year old (there's people who proclaim it's so much harder to lose at 30) sedentary aside from purposeful exercise but currently laid up with hip problems, also on psych meds ermagherd the gainz but have lost 63lbs so far. If I'm not losing it's because i'm eating at maintenance deliberately or sloppy with logging.7 -
VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
I'm in the UK and we don't use casserole as a descriptor for such a broad range of items as in the US (and certainly never for anything with pasta) so I don't know what else we'd call a pasta layered dish identical in every way to traditional lasagne save for the sauce. Just like pasta cooked with a sauce in the oven is pasta bake and not casserole which I think is what it would be called in the US (though I may be remembering that incorrectly).
Just to add, I understand it's not a traditional dish but then there are lots of variations within many cultures. It's just the passage of time and natural progression.
I'm curious @VintageFeline... what is a casserole in the UK? Is there anything you'd call a casserole, or is it just not a term used?
Usually cheap cuts of meat with root veg slow cooked. Basically a stew but would be cooked in a casserole dish (which is a specific kind of oven dish) in the oven.
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/collection/casserole
Ooh, thanks for the link! I have some new recipes to try.
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VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
I'm in the UK and we don't use casserole as a descriptor for such a broad range of items as in the US (and certainly never for anything with pasta) so I don't know what else we'd call a pasta layered dish identical in every way to traditional lasagne save for the sauce. Just like pasta cooked with a sauce in the oven is pasta bake and not casserole which I think is what it would be called in the US (though I may be remembering that incorrectly).
Just to add, I understand it's not a traditional dish but then there are lots of variations within many cultures. It's just the passage of time and natural progression.
I'm curious @VintageFeline... what is a casserole in the UK? Is there anything you'd call a casserole, or is it just not a term used?
Usually cheap cuts of meat with root veg slow cooked. Basically a stew but would be cooked in a casserole dish (which is a specific kind of oven dish) in the oven.
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/collection/casserole
Ooh, thanks for the link! I have some new recipes to try.
Make sure to do one with dumplings because they are beyond delicious.2 -
poisonesse wrote: »Mine is that CICO isn't always a firm rule. You diet all your life, constantly going from one plan to another, you lose, you gain, you lose, you gain... and then you hit your elderly years. Guess what? CICO no longer rules like it did when you were younger. Your body has gotten used to your fickle ways, and now will turn every bite that enters your mouth into fat, because it KNOWS you're going to starve it again. Getting the weight to finally start to melt from an elderly, slowed down metabolism can be pure HELL! So there ya go, that's my unpopular opinion.
Decades of non-muscle-sparing extreme-deficit yo-yo dieting can certainly take a toll on our CO via a down-spiral of adaptive thermogenesis. This has been particularly easy to fall into, in a culture that has valued women for thinness more than for strength (especially in our younger years), and emphasized (sometimes abusive) standards of beauty over health.
I'm sorry to hear that that's where you find yourself now. It's sadly common.
The good news is that it's not too late. We can demonstrably increase strength well into into our 80s, and stand a chance of reversing at least some of that adaptation, which has the side benefit of enhancing bone strength, improving the sense of balance and coordination that helps prevent life-changing falls, and yes, even looking better as a result.
(Is there an unpopular opinion in there somewhere? We'll see . . . .
(P.S. I'm 61. I suspect one reason my NEAT is higher than it "should" be is that I was stupidly fat and happy for decades while other women my age were conscientiously VLCD-ing repeatedly.)
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CICO may rule, but my CO at 53 is dramatically different (much lower) than it was at 23 and I certainly move and exercise much more at 53.
At 23 I had a desk job, rode to work, watched TV and or read books any evening/weekend I wasn't socializing- and at that time for me socializing mostly meant going to a restaurant. I ate 2400 calories daily and remained a healthy weight and had no regular exercise.
At 53 I swim 4-5 hours a week, take two or 3 hour long cardio classes, have just started strength training, walk at least 8000 steps a day, etc. I can eat only about 1400 to 1500 cal or I gain weight. As I said CICO may rule but the CO has changed markedly.7 -
poisonesse wrote: »Mine is that CICO isn't always a firm rule. You diet all your life, constantly going from one plan to another, you lose, you gain, you lose, you gain... and then you hit your elderly years. Guess what? CICO no longer rules like it did when you were younger. Your body has gotten used to your fickle ways, and now will turn every bite that enters your mouth into fat, because it KNOWS you're going to starve it again. Getting the weight to finally start to melt from an elderly, slowed down metabolism can be pure HELL! So there ya go, that's my unpopular opinion.
Decades of non-muscle-sparing extreme-deficit yo-yo dieting can certainly take a toll on our CO via a down-spiral of adaptive thermogenesis. This has been particularly easy to fall into, in a culture that has valued women for thinness more than for strength (especially in our younger years), and emphasized (sometimes abusive) standards of beauty over health.
I'm sorry to hear that that's where you find yourself now. It's sadly common.
The good news is that it's not too late. We can demonstrably increase strength well into into our 80s, and stand a chance of reversing at least some of that adaptation, which has the side benefit of enhancing bone strength, improving the sense of balance and coordination that helps prevent life-changing falls, and yes, even looking better as a result.
(Is there an unpopular opinion in there somewhere? We'll see . . . .
(P.S. I'm 61. I suspect one reason my NEAT is higher than it "should" be is that I was stupidly fat and happy for decades while other women my age were conscientiously VLCD-ing repeatedly.)
@AnnPT77 have I told you lately that I love you?
Well said.
About to turn 64 and my TDEE is very good for my age and size.
Cheers, h.11 -
When I first lost my weight - I'd say for the first four to six months afterward, I had to closely watch my calories and I had to keep them pretty low. Low to me is at Sedentary and Maintenance, which for me came to about 1450 calories. That was pretty accurate, too. I did gain a bit again trying to eat at a more comfortable (higher) calorie level.
Over time (like a year) I was able to increase my daily basic calorie goal up to 1800. I'm still at that level, in maintenance ten years later even though nothing else changed about my activity. And obviously I only got older by ten years. I believe I had some adaptive thermogenesis going on right after my weight loss - which I did at pretty low calorie - but that my hormones corrected over time and now I'm able to eat like a regular human being.
So I'm saying that if you just finished weight loss, give it some time at MFP maintenance and then play around with adding a couple hundred more calories to your daily goal in a couple months. You may be surprised.6 -
VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
I'm in the UK and we don't use casserole as a descriptor for such a broad range of items as in the US (and certainly never for anything with pasta) so I don't know what else we'd call a pasta layered dish identical in every way to traditional lasagne save for the sauce. Just like pasta cooked with a sauce in the oven is pasta bake and not casserole which I think is what it would be called in the US (though I may be remembering that incorrectly).
Just to add, I understand it's not a traditional dish but then there are lots of variations within many cultures. It's just the passage of time and natural progression.
I'm curious @VintageFeline... what is a casserole in the UK? Is there anything you'd call a casserole, or is it just not a term used?
Usually cheap cuts of meat with root veg slow cooked. Basically a stew but would be cooked in a casserole dish (which is a specific kind of oven dish) in the oven.
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/collection/casserole
Ooh, thanks for the link! I have some new recipes to try.
Make sure to do one with dumplings because they are beyond delicious.
Mmm.. I do love a good dumpling. I'm leaning toward the beef stew with horseradish dumplings. Sounds like a great weekend dinner.
I guess I should dump an unpopular opinion in here somewhere... recipes should always be given in metric measurements. That's probably not unpopular enough though... how about, there's nothing wrong with eating something purely for the sake of enjoyment.8 -
This is the best post on this thread in ages.poisonesse wrote: »Mine is that CICO isn't always a firm rule. You diet all your life, constantly going from one plan to another, you lose, you gain, you lose, you gain... and then you hit your elderly years. Guess what? CICO no longer rules like it did when you were younger. Your body has gotten used to your fickle ways, and now will turn every bite that enters your mouth into fat, because it KNOWS you're going to starve it again. Getting the weight to finally start to melt from an elderly, slowed down metabolism can be pure HELL! So there ya go, that's my unpopular opinion.
Decades of non-muscle-sparing extreme-deficit yo-yo dieting can certainly take a toll on our CO via a down-spiral of adaptive thermogenesis. This has been particularly easy to fall into, in a culture that has valued women for thinness more than for strength (especially in our younger years), and emphasized (sometimes abusive) standards of beauty over health.
I'm sorry to hear that that's where you find yourself now. It's sadly common.
The good news is that it's not too late. We can demonstrably increase strength well into into our 80s, and stand a chance of reversing at least some of that adaptation, which has the side benefit of enhancing bone strength, improving the sense of balance and coordination that helps prevent life-changing falls, and yes, even looking better as a result.
(Is there an unpopular opinion in there somewhere? We'll see . . . .
(P.S. I'm 61. I suspect one reason my NEAT is higher than it "should" be is that I was stupidly fat and happy for decades while other women my age were conscientiously VLCD-ing repeatedly.)
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VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
I'm in the UK and we don't use casserole as a descriptor for such a broad range of items as in the US (and certainly never for anything with pasta) so I don't know what else we'd call a pasta layered dish identical in every way to traditional lasagne save for the sauce. Just like pasta cooked with a sauce in the oven is pasta bake and not casserole which I think is what it would be called in the US (though I may be remembering that incorrectly).
Just to add, I understand it's not a traditional dish but then there are lots of variations within many cultures. It's just the passage of time and natural progression.
I'm curious @VintageFeline... what is a casserole in the UK? Is there anything you'd call a casserole, or is it just not a term used?
Usually cheap cuts of meat with root veg slow cooked. Basically a stew but would be cooked in a casserole dish (which is a specific kind of oven dish) in the oven.
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/collection/casserole
Ooh, thanks for the link! I have some new recipes to try.
Make sure to do one with dumplings because they are beyond delicious.
Mmm.. I do love a good dumpling. I'm leaning toward the beef stew with horseradish dumplings. Sounds like a great weekend dinner.
I guess I should dump an unpopular opinion in here somewhere... recipes should always be given in metric measurements. That's probably not unpopular enough though... how about, there's nothing wrong with eating something purely for the sake of enjoyment.
I liked the look of that one too and the goulash. Is suet easy for you to come by or do you make a slightly altered dumpling?
And I agree, eating for pleasure is fine by me if it's not impacting weight or health.0 -
CICO may rule, but my CO at 53 is dramatically different (much lower) than it was at 23 and I certainly move and exercise much more at 53.
At 23 I had a desk job, rode to work, watched TV and or read books any evening/weekend I wasn't socializing- and at that time for me socializing mostly meant going to a restaurant. I ate 2400 calories daily and remained a healthy weight and had no regular exercise.
At 53 I swim 4-5 hours a week, take two or 3 hour long cardio classes, have just started strength training, walk at least 8000 steps a day, etc. I can eat only about 1400 to 1500 cal or I gain weight. As I said CICO may rule but the CO has changed markedly.
I suspect this will change things for the better...7 -
VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
I'm in the UK and we don't use casserole as a descriptor for such a broad range of items as in the US (and certainly never for anything with pasta) so I don't know what else we'd call a pasta layered dish identical in every way to traditional lasagne save for the sauce. Just like pasta cooked with a sauce in the oven is pasta bake and not casserole which I think is what it would be called in the US (though I may be remembering that incorrectly).
Just to add, I understand it's not a traditional dish but then there are lots of variations within many cultures. It's just the passage of time and natural progression.
I'm curious @VintageFeline... what is a casserole in the UK? Is there anything you'd call a casserole, or is it just not a term used?
Usually cheap cuts of meat with root veg slow cooked. Basically a stew but would be cooked in a casserole dish (which is a specific kind of oven dish) in the oven.
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/collection/casserole
Ooh, thanks for the link! I have some new recipes to try.
Make sure to do one with dumplings because they are beyond delicious.
Mmm.. I do love a good dumpling. I'm leaning toward the beef stew with horseradish dumplings. Sounds like a great weekend dinner.
I guess I should dump an unpopular opinion in here somewhere... recipes should always be given in metric measurements. That's probably not unpopular enough though... how about, there's nothing wrong with eating something purely for the sake of enjoyment.
I liked the look of that one too and the goulash. Is suet easy for you to come by or do you make a slightly altered dumpling?
And I agree, eating for pleasure is fine by me if it's not impacting weight or health.
Yep, the goulash looks delicious too! In a pinch I could use lard, which is abundant here, but I'll probably check a local butcher first for suet though. They ought to have some on hand even if they don't normally sell it.0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
I'm in the UK and we don't use casserole as a descriptor for such a broad range of items as in the US (and certainly never for anything with pasta) so I don't know what else we'd call a pasta layered dish identical in every way to traditional lasagne save for the sauce. Just like pasta cooked with a sauce in the oven is pasta bake and not casserole which I think is what it would be called in the US (though I may be remembering that incorrectly).
Just to add, I understand it's not a traditional dish but then there are lots of variations within many cultures. It's just the passage of time and natural progression.
Not everyone in the US calls the same things casseroles. What you described would also be called a pasta bake around here. Casseroles are meat, veggies, noodles, and sauce made from condensed soup all mixed together and baked in a casserole dish . . . sometimes with a topping of crushed potato chips or french fried onions (think green bean casserole).
Our neighbors just over the river to the west (aka Minnesotans) call a casserole a "hot dish".4 -
VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
I'm in the UK and we don't use casserole as a descriptor for such a broad range of items as in the US (and certainly never for anything with pasta) so I don't know what else we'd call a pasta layered dish identical in every way to traditional lasagne save for the sauce. Just like pasta cooked with a sauce in the oven is pasta bake and not casserole which I think is what it would be called in the US (though I may be remembering that incorrectly).
Just to add, I understand it's not a traditional dish but then there are lots of variations within many cultures. It's just the passage of time and natural progression.
Not everyone in the US calls the same things casseroles. What you described would also be called a pasta bake around here. Casseroles are meat, veggies, noodles, and sauce made from condensed soup all mixed together and baked in a casserole dish . . . sometimes with a topping of crushed potato chips or french fried onions (think green bean casserole).
Our neighbors just over the river to the west (aka Minnesotans) call a casserole a "hot dish".
Correct. I'm in MN. You cook a hotdish in a casserole. The hotdish is the food, the casserole is the dish you bake it in.4 -
middlehaitch wrote: »poisonesse wrote: »Mine is that CICO isn't always a firm rule. You diet all your life, constantly going from one plan to another, you lose, you gain, you lose, you gain... and then you hit your elderly years. Guess what? CICO no longer rules like it did when you were younger. Your body has gotten used to your fickle ways, and now will turn every bite that enters your mouth into fat, because it KNOWS you're going to starve it again. Getting the weight to finally start to melt from an elderly, slowed down metabolism can be pure HELL! So there ya go, that's my unpopular opinion.
Decades of non-muscle-sparing extreme-deficit yo-yo dieting can certainly take a toll on our CO via a down-spiral of adaptive thermogenesis. This has been particularly easy to fall into, in a culture that has valued women for thinness more than for strength (especially in our younger years), and emphasized (sometimes abusive) standards of beauty over health.
I'm sorry to hear that that's where you find yourself now. It's sadly common.
The good news is that it's not too late. We can demonstrably increase strength well into into our 80s, and stand a chance of reversing at least some of that adaptation, which has the side benefit of enhancing bone strength, improving the sense of balance and coordination that helps prevent life-changing falls, and yes, even looking better as a result.
(Is there an unpopular opinion in there somewhere? We'll see . . . .
(P.S. I'm 61. I suspect one reason my NEAT is higher than it "should" be is that I was stupidly fat and happy for decades while other women my age were conscientiously VLCD-ing repeatedly.)
@AnnPT77 have I told you lately that I love you?
Well said.
About to turn 64 and my TDEE is very good for my age and size.
Cheers, h.
(Blush) Aw, shucks . . . so kind! Admiration's mutual, I assure you.
@HeliumIsNoble - thanks: Y'wanna come in here on a group hug, too?
Sorry, folks - we now return you from this brief older women's love-fest, to your regularly-scheduled contentious MFP thread. 11 -
VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
I'm in the UK and we don't use casserole as a descriptor for such a broad range of items as in the US (and certainly never for anything with pasta) so I don't know what else we'd call a pasta layered dish identical in every way to traditional lasagne save for the sauce. Just like pasta cooked with a sauce in the oven is pasta bake and not casserole which I think is what it would be called in the US (though I may be remembering that incorrectly).
Just to add, I understand it's not a traditional dish but then there are lots of variations within many cultures. It's just the passage of time and natural progression.
Not everyone in the US calls the same things casseroles. What you described would also be called a pasta bake around here. Casseroles are meat, veggies, noodles, and sauce made from condensed soup all mixed together and baked in a casserole dish . . . sometimes with a topping of crushed potato chips or french fried onions (think green bean casserole).
Our neighbors just over the river to the west (aka Minnesotans) call a casserole a "hot dish".
I (in the US) often call lasagna a casserole. Around here pretty much anything that is saucy and cooked in a casserole dish is a casserole dish is a casserole.2 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
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How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
I'm in the UK and we don't use casserole as a descriptor for such a broad range of items as in the US (and certainly never for anything with pasta) so I don't know what else we'd call a pasta layered dish identical in every way to traditional lasagne save for the sauce. Just like pasta cooked with a sauce in the oven is pasta bake and not casserole which I think is what it would be called in the US (though I may be remembering that incorrectly).
Just to add, I understand it's not a traditional dish but then there are lots of variations within many cultures. It's just the passage of time and natural progression.
Not everyone in the US calls the same things casseroles. What you described would also be called a pasta bake around here. Casseroles are meat, veggies, noodles, and sauce made from condensed soup all mixed together and baked in a casserole dish . . . sometimes with a topping of crushed potato chips or french fried onions (think green bean casserole).
Our neighbors just over the river to the west (aka Minnesotans) call a casserole a "hot dish".
I (in the US) often call lasagna a casserole. Around here pretty much anything that is saucy and cooked in a casserole dish is a casserole dish is a casserole.
Lasagna would not qualify then since it is made in a pan, not a casserole dish.1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »
+1. It's like when people say "I'm eating cauliflower pizza". IT AIN'T PIZZA if it's cauliflower.All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
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Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
How about when people go on about a meatless lasagna.
Ah, you mean a casserole.
I'm Sicilian so that really offends me... lol!
Even though the meatless sauce is still layered with sheets of pasta?
Lol, still not lasagna...
I'm in the UK and we don't use casserole as a descriptor for such a broad range of items as in the US (and certainly never for anything with pasta) so I don't know what else we'd call a pasta layered dish identical in every way to traditional lasagne save for the sauce. Just like pasta cooked with a sauce in the oven is pasta bake and not casserole which I think is what it would be called in the US (though I may be remembering that incorrectly).
Just to add, I understand it's not a traditional dish but then there are lots of variations within many cultures. It's just the passage of time and natural progression.
Not everyone in the US calls the same things casseroles. What you described would also be called a pasta bake around here. Casseroles are meat, veggies, noodles, and sauce made from condensed soup all mixed together and baked in a casserole dish . . . sometimes with a topping of crushed potato chips or french fried onions (think green bean casserole).
Our neighbors just over the river to the west (aka Minnesotans) call a casserole a "hot dish".
I (in the US) often call lasagna a casserole. Around here pretty much anything that is saucy and cooked in a casserole dish is a casserole dish is a casserole.
Lasagna would not qualify then since it is made in a pan, not a casserole dish.
It's not lasagna if you cook it in a casserole dish?1
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