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I always get a laugh out of it when people say something like they jogged to the park, did their 30-minute HIIT workout, then jogged back home. If what you did was actually HIIT, you wouldn't have been jogging back home afterward.I would rather walk for 2 hours than HIIT for 30 minutes.
IF, you could do HIIT for 30 minutes. Most can't, including me, and it's really recommended one doesn't. A typical program is 5 minute warm up, 5 intervals covering about 15 minutes, 5 minute cool down. If I did HIIT for 30 minutes, I'm sure I would be dead.
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Right now my one and only concern is losing fat. Once I get to a healthy weight I will shift focus to increasing my athletic abilities once again. But until then, fat loss, and muscle maintenance as a result, is the only consideration.2
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I would rather walk for 2 hours than HIIT for 30 minutes.
IF, you could do HIIT for 30 minutes. Most can't, including me, and it's really recommended one doesn't. A typical program is 5 minute warm up, 5 intervals covering about 15 minutes, 5 minute cool down. If I did HIIT for 30 minutes, I'm sure I would be dead.
yeah, I would still rather walk for 2 hours than do that.
Me too. Gasping for air and feeling like I'm about to fall over because my legs feel like jelly does not an enjoyable workout make, for me.
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Christine_72 wrote: »I would rather walk for 2 hours than HIIT for 30 minutes.
IF, you could do HIIT for 30 minutes. Most can't, including me, and it's really recommended one doesn't. A typical program is 5 minute warm up, 5 intervals covering about 15 minutes, 5 minute cool down. If I did HIIT for 30 minutes, I'm sure I would be dead.
yeah, I would still rather walk for 2 hours than do that.
Me too. Gasping for air and feeling like I'm about to fall over because my legs feel like jelly does not an enjoyable workout make, for me.
Opposite for me. Not being able to walk or lift my arms after a workout makes me feel like I've accomplished something. Sort of a twisted inspirational boost.1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I would rather walk for 2 hours than HIIT for 30 minutes.
IF, you could do HIIT for 30 minutes. Most can't, including me, and it's really recommended one doesn't. A typical program is 5 minute warm up, 5 intervals covering about 15 minutes, 5 minute cool down. If I did HIIT for 30 minutes, I'm sure I would be dead.
yeah, I would still rather walk for 2 hours than do that.
Me too. Gasping for air and feeling like I'm about to fall over because my legs feel like jelly does not an enjoyable workout make, for me.
Opposite for me. Not being able to walk or lift my arms after a workout makes me feel like I've accomplished something. Sort of a twisted inspirational boost.
My logic is a bit twisted, but being able to eat 600-800 calories more after a 60-90 minute easy pace run makes me feel like I accomplished something. I wouldn't be able to burn even 20% of that with HIIT.4 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I would rather walk for 2 hours than HIIT for 30 minutes.
IF, you could do HIIT for 30 minutes. Most can't, including me, and it's really recommended one doesn't. A typical program is 5 minute warm up, 5 intervals covering about 15 minutes, 5 minute cool down. If I did HIIT for 30 minutes, I'm sure I would be dead.
yeah, I would still rather walk for 2 hours than do that.
Me too. Gasping for air and feeling like I'm about to fall over because my legs feel like jelly does not an enjoyable workout make, for me.
Opposite for me. Not being able to walk or lift my arms after a workout makes me feel like I've accomplished something. Sort of a twisted inspirational boost.
My logic is a bit twisted, but being able to eat 600-800 calories more after a 60-90 minute easy pace run makes me feel like I accomplished something. I wouldn't be able to burn even 20% of that with HIIT.
I mostly just lift. Every set to failure. Running hurts my feet and gives me flashbacks to my childhood, being the fat kid and running 2 miles every morning to try to lose weight. Didn't work. My parents owned an Italian restaurant...2 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »vegaslounge wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@vegaslounge I must admit, I would be annoyed if a coworker constantly brought in treats while i was trying my best to lose weight. My willpower is only so strong before i cave, i don't need added temptation placed in front of me at my place of work.
I do not, under any circumstances, dismiss this. Hell, it's taken years of conscious effort on my part to build up willpower in regards to foods I like. But, IMO, the onus is not on the treat-bearer for you to resist their treats. I just feel it's a weirdly self-centered view of the world that people are out to derail you by bringing in something for the office to enjoy. If it's an office of two people and you've told your sole workmate, "please don't bring in treats" and they keep doing it– yeah, that's could be a little weird. But I think in a larger setting, to quote a preeminent scientist and space explorer, "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".
Adding a third cent, the workplace sabotage mindset is, IMO, the same as the "I've completely changed the household's diet without their input or consent because of my personal decisions, and they aren't supporting my changes! Help me tell them they're wrong!" I lived through that– Mom put us on Atkins when I was young and by week three I was literally ready to shank my best friend for her hunk of soggy cafeteria baguette. I myself became a strict vegetarian at 15 (I'm 32 now) and guess what? My parents still ate meat and cooked the way they always did, it was up to me to work out how to eat around that. None of my boyfriends have been vegetarian, few of my friends are, and aside from some joshing from my older brothers (which is what older brothers just DO), I can't say I've ever encountered any personal problems from this. Hell, I went to a BBQ last year and the only thing I could eat was a potato. I ate my potato, enjoyed the company, and the sun rose the next morning on schedule.
I guess I just don't get the idea that my weight loss/etc is anyone else's concern or responsibility but mine. The vast majority of people couldn't give a figgy pudding about what you do in your personal life, just as you probably don't know or particularly care about what they do.
Exactly. I work in an office with 45-ish staff. Lots of people bring treats in, including me, and it's simply not about me.
Can I ask why people bring in food for other people? Genuinely curious question. I've never worked at a place where people bring food in to feed their coworkers.
At one of my workplaces a large segment of the workers were Indian and pretty much all from the same region there. They'd bring in foods for themselves and others. To them food has always been about sharing with others and in effect resulted in teambuilding. (and yes it was an awesome team!)
There was always a huge potluck in our lunch cafeteria It is where I learned to appreciate real good Indian food. When they found out I loved trying new foods they adapted and on a regular basis brought in something special for me to try.
Most cultures work around food sharing to build trust and understanding - often it is a case of the one time of the day where units (teams/family) come together to share food and stories. And really I think it derives from that9 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I'm probably a bit tetchy when it comes to this subject.. I'm married to a "feeder", he is constantly making treats and offering me chips, crackers etc etc. Makes no difference whether i say no thanks or not!! He seriously conflates food with love and caring. "This is how he shows he loves me" is what he always says. I've begged him to find other ways to show his love for me. He is not and never has been overweight, so my pleas fall on deaf ears.
I get this, wholeheartedly. My family is all from the Southern US and "food = love" is a cultural drive for us and has been for hundreds of years. I do it too, I love to cook for friends and family because it shows how much I care for them. But, I do think this cultural/family mindset can turn into an excuse for shoving your own desires and expectations on somebody else (I'm using the 'general you', @Christine_72, I'm not specifically calling you out). It's like because you grew up in a certain culture or live in a certain relationship, all hope is lost and you're doomed.
Bee. Ess.
You yourself are responsible for what goes into your mouth. If someone isn't literally forcing food down your throat, I have a hard time accepting that it's anyone else's responsibility for your diet. If they ARE force-feeding you...for cripes' sake, call the cops already! Why are you posting these concerns on a free message board?!
As I said, I honestly don't think the vast majority of people you interact with day-to-day give a crap about what you eat or if you're trying to lose weight, etc etc. To think otherwise seems bizarrely self-indulgent and to post "saboteur!" threads seems pretty egotistical.10 -
Also, I am very jealous of all you folks who have potluck-happy Indian coworkers. I'd kill for some decent saag paneer in my little pocket of SE Georgia.10
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Aside from larger retail stores I've never worked anywhere where treats weren't brought in. It's a pretty normal part of office culture. I worked in a customer facing career for quite a while (property) and at Christmas we'd be overrun with chocolates and biscuits and wine from the clients. Because it's a nice thing to do and humans inherently see food as a socially bonding thing.
The fact that I'm trying to lose weight isn't my colleagues or clients problem, I am but one person in a company of however many and to think everyone should bow to my will is weirdly self important.10 -
I always get a laugh out of it when people say something like they jogged to the park, did their 30-minute HIIT workout, then jogged back home. If what you did was actually HIIT, you wouldn't have been jogging back home afterward.I would rather walk for 2 hours than HIIT for 30 minutes.
IF, you could do HIIT for 30 minutes. Most can't, including me, and it's really recommended one doesn't. A typical program is 5 minute warm up, 5 intervals covering about 15 minutes, 5 minute cool down. If I did HIIT for 30 minutes, I'm sure I would be dead.
Shoot, 4 minutes of legit HIIT is enough to make your heart and lungs explode. 30 minutes of "HIIT" is a joke...2 -
I always get a laugh out of it when people say something like they jogged to the park, did their 30-minute HIIT workout, then jogged back home. If what you did was actually HIIT, you wouldn't have been jogging back home afterward.I would rather walk for 2 hours than HIIT for 30 minutes.
IF, you could do HIIT for 30 minutes. Most can't, including me, and it's really recommended one doesn't. A typical program is 5 minute warm up, 5 intervals covering about 15 minutes, 5 minute cool down. If I did HIIT for 30 minutes, I'm sure I would be dead.
Shoot, 4 minutes of legit HIIT is enough to make your heart and lungs explode. 30 minutes of "HIIT" is a joke...
So here is a question...wouldn't the High part of this training be defined by the individual ability of the person doing it and your version of High intensity might differ from other peoples?
Similar to "lifting heavy"...my heavy might not be heavy to you or might be too heavy...
According to this https://www.acsm.org/docs/brochures/high-intensity-interval-training.pdf HIIT can last from anywhere from 20-60 mins...0 -
I always get a laugh out of it when people say something like they jogged to the park, did their 30-minute HIIT workout, then jogged back home. If what you did was actually HIIT, you wouldn't have been jogging back home afterward.I would rather walk for 2 hours than HIIT for 30 minutes.
IF, you could do HIIT for 30 minutes. Most can't, including me, and it's really recommended one doesn't. A typical program is 5 minute warm up, 5 intervals covering about 15 minutes, 5 minute cool down. If I did HIIT for 30 minutes, I'm sure I would be dead.
Shoot, 4 minutes of legit HIIT is enough to make your heart and lungs explode. 30 minutes of "HIIT" is a joke...
So here is a question...wouldn't the High part of this training be defined by the individual ability of the person doing it and your version of High intensity might differ from other peoples?
Similar to "lifting heavy"...my heavy might not be heavy to you or might be too heavy...
According to this https://www.acsm.org/docs/brochures/high-intensity-interval-training.pdf HIIT can last from anywhere from 20-60 mins...
Intensity will of course be different per an individual's fitness level. But the premise remains, it should be intense FOR YOU. Athlete or beginner, you should be spent within 15 minutes.4 -
Right now my one and only concern is losing fat. Once I get to a healthy weight I will shift focus to increasing my athletic abilities once again. But until then, fat loss, and muscle maintenance as a result, is the only consideration.
I get you. The reason I would do it to improve my LISS is that it would increase my VO2 max and I can run for longer and at a better pace. This, for me, is more efficient for calorie burns and thus fat loss. Eg. I burn around 8 to 9 cals per minute walking up and down the hills where I walk. I burn around 14 to 15 cals per minute running.
One of the issues I have with my weekly schedule and routine is what to leave out for the 3 weeks or so when I would include HIIT. HIIT has a similar impact to the central nervous system as weight lifting. Lyle McDonald talks, in the series referenced above about training overload and the impact on leg training in particular. So, if HIIT is included, something else needs to be scaled back (if one has a full 3x per week program working legs 2x) to avoid overtraining symptoms and adrenal fatigue.
jdlobb, I know I quoted you and my some of my response is to you but a lot is really just a sharing of info. As I understand your situation, you are fairly recent to calorie restriction and training? If so, HIIT would not even be appropriate for someone in your situation until you had built a base of both cardio and muscular fitness.
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I always get a laugh out of it when people say something like they jogged to the park, did their 30-minute HIIT workout, then jogged back home. If what you did was actually HIIT, you wouldn't have been jogging back home afterward.I would rather walk for 2 hours than HIIT for 30 minutes.
IF, you could do HIIT for 30 minutes. Most can't, including me, and it's really recommended one doesn't. A typical program is 5 minute warm up, 5 intervals covering about 15 minutes, 5 minute cool down. If I did HIIT for 30 minutes, I'm sure I would be dead.
Shoot, 4 minutes of legit HIIT is enough to make your heart and lungs explode. 30 minutes of "HIIT" is a joke...
So here is a question...wouldn't the High part of this training be defined by the individual ability of the person doing it and your version of High intensity might differ from other peoples?
Similar to "lifting heavy"...my heavy might not be heavy to you or might be too heavy...
According to this https://www.acsm.org/docs/brochures/high-intensity-interval-training.pdf HIIT can last from anywhere from 20-60 mins...
It depends on the fitness level of the exerciser. The point of HIIT is to go to "your" max...1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »vegaslounge wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@vegaslounge I must admit, I would be annoyed if a coworker constantly brought in treats while i was trying my best to lose weight. My willpower is only so strong before i cave, i don't need added temptation placed in front of me at my place of work.
I do not, under any circumstances, dismiss this. Hell, it's taken years of conscious effort on my part to build up willpower in regards to foods I like. But, IMO, the onus is not on the treat-bearer for you to resist their treats. I just feel it's a weirdly self-centered view of the world that people are out to derail you by bringing in something for the office to enjoy. If it's an office of two people and you've told your sole workmate, "please don't bring in treats" and they keep doing it– yeah, that's could be a little weird. But I think in a larger setting, to quote a preeminent scientist and space explorer, "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".
Adding a third cent, the workplace sabotage mindset is, IMO, the same as the "I've completely changed the household's diet without their input or consent because of my personal decisions, and they aren't supporting my changes! Help me tell them they're wrong!" I lived through that– Mom put us on Atkins when I was young and by week three I was literally ready to shank my best friend for her hunk of soggy cafeteria baguette. I myself became a strict vegetarian at 15 (I'm 32 now) and guess what? My parents still ate meat and cooked the way they always did, it was up to me to work out how to eat around that. None of my boyfriends have been vegetarian, few of my friends are, and aside from some joshing from my older brothers (which is what older brothers just DO), I can't say I've ever encountered any personal problems from this. Hell, I went to a BBQ last year and the only thing I could eat was a potato. I ate my potato, enjoyed the company, and the sun rose the next morning on schedule.
I guess I just don't get the idea that my weight loss/etc is anyone else's concern or responsibility but mine. The vast majority of people couldn't give a figgy pudding about what you do in your personal life, just as you probably don't know or particularly care about what they do.
Exactly. I work in an office with 45-ish staff. Lots of people bring treats in, including me, and it's simply not about me.
Can I ask why people bring in food for other people? Genuinely curious question. I've never worked at a place where people bring food in to feed their coworkers.
I can't do the potluck thing. I don't know what ingredients people are using, how fresh the food is, if it is cooked properly, or what standards of cleanliness they have at home. The lady who comes into work with cat hair all over her clothes most likely has a cat that regularly walks across kitchen surfaces shortly after rooting around in its litter box.12 -
Unless you are a high level athlete, IMO you can not sustain HIIT for 20 - 60 minutes. Again, IMO...2
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There are HIIT workouts that last longer, but those have longer rest periods. Like 1 minute all out followed by 3 - 4 minutes easy pace for say 10 rounds...
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Bry_Lander wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »vegaslounge wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »@vegaslounge I must admit, I would be annoyed if a coworker constantly brought in treats while i was trying my best to lose weight. My willpower is only so strong before i cave, i don't need added temptation placed in front of me at my place of work.
I do not, under any circumstances, dismiss this. Hell, it's taken years of conscious effort on my part to build up willpower in regards to foods I like. But, IMO, the onus is not on the treat-bearer for you to resist their treats. I just feel it's a weirdly self-centered view of the world that people are out to derail you by bringing in something for the office to enjoy. If it's an office of two people and you've told your sole workmate, "please don't bring in treats" and they keep doing it– yeah, that's could be a little weird. But I think in a larger setting, to quote a preeminent scientist and space explorer, "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".
Adding a third cent, the workplace sabotage mindset is, IMO, the same as the "I've completely changed the household's diet without their input or consent because of my personal decisions, and they aren't supporting my changes! Help me tell them they're wrong!" I lived through that– Mom put us on Atkins when I was young and by week three I was literally ready to shank my best friend for her hunk of soggy cafeteria baguette. I myself became a strict vegetarian at 15 (I'm 32 now) and guess what? My parents still ate meat and cooked the way they always did, it was up to me to work out how to eat around that. None of my boyfriends have been vegetarian, few of my friends are, and aside from some joshing from my older brothers (which is what older brothers just DO), I can't say I've ever encountered any personal problems from this. Hell, I went to a BBQ last year and the only thing I could eat was a potato. I ate my potato, enjoyed the company, and the sun rose the next morning on schedule.
I guess I just don't get the idea that my weight loss/etc is anyone else's concern or responsibility but mine. The vast majority of people couldn't give a figgy pudding about what you do in your personal life, just as you probably don't know or particularly care about what they do.
Exactly. I work in an office with 45-ish staff. Lots of people bring treats in, including me, and it's simply not about me.
Can I ask why people bring in food for other people? Genuinely curious question. I've never worked at a place where people bring food in to feed their coworkers.
I can't do the potluck thing. I don't know what ingredients people are using, how fresh the food is, if it is cooked properly, or what standards of cleanliness they have at home. The lady who comes into work with cat hair all over her clothes most likely has a cat that regularly walks across kitchen surfaces shortly after rooting around in its litter box.
This a thousand times this. ^^
I must have lots of boundary issues, because I'm not a fan of eating in restaurants after working in them and seeing what goes on, and I'm even less inclined to eat food prepared at a random stranger's house and then left out on a counter for God knows how long, then a car, then another counter. Nope.
Not even your homemade cookies.
Do not like office potlucks, and I find every reason possible to avoid them.
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Stef, I can't imagine why any length beyond 20 minutes would be referenced. I've done 20 minute recumbent bike sets. The inclined hill sprints I've done, I'm dying after 15 mintues. And I'm very fit.
I always get a laugh out of it when people say something like they jogged to the park, did their 30-minute HIIT workout, then jogged back home. If what you did was actually HIIT, you wouldn't have been jogging back home afterward.I would rather walk for 2 hours than HIIT for 30 minutes.
IF, you could do HIIT for 30 minutes. Most can't, including me, and it's really recommended one doesn't. A typical program is 5 minute warm up, 5 intervals covering about 15 minutes, 5 minute cool down. If I did HIIT for 30 minutes, I'm sure I would be dead.
Shoot, 4 minutes of legit HIIT is enough to make your heart and lungs explode. 30 minutes of "HIIT" is a joke...
So here is a question...wouldn't the High part of this training be defined by the individual ability of the person doing it and your version of High intensity might differ from other peoples?
Similar to "lifting heavy"...my heavy might not be heavy to you or might be too heavy...
According to this https://www.acsm.org/docs/brochures/high-intensity-interval-training.pdf HIIT can last from anywhere from 20-60 mins...
In everything I've read from people like McDonald and Shoenfeld, they reference 15 to 20 minute work sets with warm up before and after. I've never seen longer.
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VintageFeline wrote: »
I always get a laugh out of it when people say something like they jogged to the park, did their 30-minute HIIT workout, then jogged back home. If what you did was actually HIIT, you wouldn't have been jogging back home afterward.I would rather walk for 2 hours than HIIT for 30 minutes.
IF, you could do HIIT for 30 minutes. Most can't, including me, and it's really recommended one doesn't. A typical program is 5 minute warm up, 5 intervals covering about 15 minutes, 5 minute cool down. If I did HIIT for 30 minutes, I'm sure I would be dead.
Shoot, 4 minutes of legit HIIT is enough to make your heart and lungs explode. 30 minutes of "HIIT" is a joke...
So here is a question...wouldn't the High part of this training be defined by the individual ability of the person doing it and your version of High intensity might differ from other peoples?
Similar to "lifting heavy"...my heavy might not be heavy to you or might be too heavy...
According to this https://www.acsm.org/docs/brochures/high-intensity-interval-training.pdf HIIT can last from anywhere from 20-60 mins...
Intensity will of course be different per an individual's fitness level. But the premise remains, it should be intense FOR YOU. Athlete or beginner, you should be spent within 15 minutes.
I used to run stairs for about 30 min. on my lunch at work. I would consider this HIIT. 100% effort took 45sec. to get to the top and a 90 sec walk down. By the end of the 30 min. My 45 sec. Interval was nowhere near the top and I was practically crawling but I was still pushing 100% and breathing way harder than when I started. I felt like the mom going up the stairs in What's Eating Gilbert Grape.1 -
VintageFeline wrote: »
I always get a laugh out of it when people say something like they jogged to the park, did their 30-minute HIIT workout, then jogged back home. If what you did was actually HIIT, you wouldn't have been jogging back home afterward.I would rather walk for 2 hours than HIIT for 30 minutes.
IF, you could do HIIT for 30 minutes. Most can't, including me, and it's really recommended one doesn't. A typical program is 5 minute warm up, 5 intervals covering about 15 minutes, 5 minute cool down. If I did HIIT for 30 minutes, I'm sure I would be dead.
Shoot, 4 minutes of legit HIIT is enough to make your heart and lungs explode. 30 minutes of "HIIT" is a joke...
So here is a question...wouldn't the High part of this training be defined by the individual ability of the person doing it and your version of High intensity might differ from other peoples?
Similar to "lifting heavy"...my heavy might not be heavy to you or might be too heavy...
According to this https://www.acsm.org/docs/brochures/high-intensity-interval-training.pdf HIIT can last from anywhere from 20-60 mins...
Intensity will of course be different per an individual's fitness level. But the premise remains, it should be intense FOR YOU. Athlete or beginner, you should be spent within 15 minutes.
I used to run stairs for about 30 min. on my lunch at work. I would consider this HIIT. 100% effort took 45sec. to get to the top and a 90 sec walk down. By the end of the 30 min. My 45 sec. Interval was nowhere near the top and I was practically crawling but I was still pushing 100% and breathing way harder than when I started. I felt like the mom going up the stairs in What's Eating Gilbert Grape.
Agreed. Longer rest periods will make for a longer HIIT workout...1 -
VintageFeline wrote: »
I always get a laugh out of it when people say something like they jogged to the park, did their 30-minute HIIT workout, then jogged back home. If what you did was actually HIIT, you wouldn't have been jogging back home afterward.I would rather walk for 2 hours than HIIT for 30 minutes.
IF, you could do HIIT for 30 minutes. Most can't, including me, and it's really recommended one doesn't. A typical program is 5 minute warm up, 5 intervals covering about 15 minutes, 5 minute cool down. If I did HIIT for 30 minutes, I'm sure I would be dead.
Shoot, 4 minutes of legit HIIT is enough to make your heart and lungs explode. 30 minutes of "HIIT" is a joke...
So here is a question...wouldn't the High part of this training be defined by the individual ability of the person doing it and your version of High intensity might differ from other peoples?
Similar to "lifting heavy"...my heavy might not be heavy to you or might be too heavy...
According to this https://www.acsm.org/docs/brochures/high-intensity-interval-training.pdf HIIT can last from anywhere from 20-60 mins...
Intensity will of course be different per an individual's fitness level. But the premise remains, it should be intense FOR YOU. Athlete or beginner, you should be spent within 15 minutes.
I used to run stairs for about 30 min. on my lunch at work. I would consider this HIIT. 100% effort took 45sec. to get to the top and a 90 sec walk down. By the end of the 30 min. My 45 sec. Interval was nowhere near the top and I was practically crawling but I was still pushing 100% and breathing way harder than when I started. I felt like the mom going up the stairs in What's Eating Gilbert Grape.
Agreed. Longer rest periods will make for a longer HIIT workout...
To a point.
bweath2, good for you being able to do that. For many of us, our will to do another would give out before that.0 -
Stef, I can't imagine why any length beyond 20 minutes would be referenced. I've done 20 minute recumbent bike sets. The inclined hill sprints I've done, I'm dying after 15 mintues. And I'm very fit.
I always get a laugh out of it when people say something like they jogged to the park, did their 30-minute HIIT workout, then jogged back home. If what you did was actually HIIT, you wouldn't have been jogging back home afterward.I would rather walk for 2 hours than HIIT for 30 minutes.
IF, you could do HIIT for 30 minutes. Most can't, including me, and it's really recommended one doesn't. A typical program is 5 minute warm up, 5 intervals covering about 15 minutes, 5 minute cool down. If I did HIIT for 30 minutes, I'm sure I would be dead.
Shoot, 4 minutes of legit HIIT is enough to make your heart and lungs explode. 30 minutes of "HIIT" is a joke...
So here is a question...wouldn't the High part of this training be defined by the individual ability of the person doing it and your version of High intensity might differ from other peoples?
Similar to "lifting heavy"...my heavy might not be heavy to you or might be too heavy...
According to this https://www.acsm.org/docs/brochures/high-intensity-interval-training.pdf HIIT can last from anywhere from 20-60 mins...
In everything I've read from people like McDonald and Shoenfeld, they reference 15 to 20 minute work sets with warm up before and after. I've never seen longer.
I was surprised myself as any HIIT I've done (and yes it really was HIIT) was 15mins...
but it does make sense once you read about the longer rest periods.
I remember my first HIIT...when it was done I laid on the floor and almost cried I was so spent.
hate them btw...very rarely do them.1 -
I hate this idea, and the encouragement I've seen so often stated on MFP... "so long as it fits into your daily calories you can eat anything you want." If one is willing to stick to a weight loss plan, why would they want to eat lots of empty calorie garbage foods? I don't think this should be encouraged- it's counterproductive to getting truly healthy. Shouldn't the goal be to get healthy and not just to become thin? This really bugs me....25
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My understanding is that as you get fitter, the rest periods should get shorter. Unless though you are training a specific protocol. Wingate sprints come to mind...0
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Whenever I've done 20 minute HIIT sessions, the last 5-8 minutes are just me struggling to stay upright while floundering around with essentially nothing left to give. Afterward, I barely have the energy to drive home.2
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amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »
I'll stick with my strong heart and plentiful food from weightlifting and HIIT. More bang for the buck.
Not in my experience. Can't sustain HIIT long enough to burn any meaningful amount of calories, and whatever I burn I eat back twofold or more because it increases my hunger substantially. Now don't get me wrong, no one has to do cardio (or weight lifting, or HIIT for that matter), but you can't call any form of exercise a waste of time because there are clear benefits to being active, health and otherwise.
Yes, sitting on your *kitten* is a much greater waste of time.
Since I don't like exercising in general, I'm going to spend the least amount of time possible to get the greatest benefit which means high intensity. I just want to get it over with so I can get back to thing I enjoy.
And that's totally alright! It's just, this sounds more like preference than opinion.
Nah, I still am not a fan of cardio(but it's better than nothing). I believe there are much greater benefits from high intensity exercise.
How do you know you don't burn as much calories doing HIIT? I believe that much shorter, high intensity exercise may not burn as much at the time, but the residual calorie burn from greater muscle stimulation lasts much longer resulting in more CO.
EPOC (Excess Post Exercise Oxygen Consunption) for HIIT is 14%, for Low Impact Steady State it's 7%. That's the % of residual burn of calories burned during. FWIW. HIIT can't be done for very long so the overall burn is not that big. If you could do 30 minutes of HIIT, your Butner with EPOCH would be about the same as 60 minutes of LISS but who can do 30 minutes of HIIT??
This would depend on the intensity of the HIIT. And as @GottaBurnEmAll stated not all "HIIT" is equal. To me, HIIT means the intervals are 100% all out.
That is the HIIT I'm talking about and in exercise physiology circle based on studies, that is the commonly accepted number. This was discussed in detail on the Lyle McDonald article sjomial linked to. It is also the number Dr. Brad Shoenfeld uses. It pretty objective and not really the subject of much speculation as to variance.
Less that 100% all out would not technically be HIIT but would be considered interval training. The EPOC would fall somewhere between LISS and HIIT depending on intensity. All HIIT is not equal because the Marketing woo machines call everything HIIT today. Things like 1 hours HIIT classes. If you can do it for 1 hour, it ain't HIIT!!
PS: The link sjomial gave is the 2nd in a series of in depth article about the subject and references a lot of the current research. If that is the link you are kind of dismissive of in one of your posts above, I suggest you didn't read it thoroughly. There are links to both the initial article in the series and the following ones at the bottom of the one posted.
I did read it, but I'll look at the references too. My main leaning to HIIT over cardio is that it is closer to weightlifting in it's muscle building potential... if I am not mistaken. However, I pretty much just lift and try to stay away from all that gross running stuff...0 -
Jancandoit7 wrote: »I hate this idea, and the encouragement I've seen so often stated on MFP... "so long as it fits into your daily calories you can eat anything you want." If one is willing to stick to a weight loss plan, why would they want to eat lots of empty calorie garbage foods? I don't think this should be encouraged- it's counterproductive to getting truly healthy. Shouldn't the goal be to get healthy and not just to become thin? This really bugs me....
It doesn't get encouraged.
Typically, someone will ask "if I eat cookies before bed but stay within my calories, will I gain weight from the cookies?" to which the correct answer is "No, weight gain/loss is dependent on energy balance and not the perceived "healthiness" of individual foods in your diet."
From there, they will get plenty of reminders that, for the sake of health and/or body composition, they should still try to get adequate protein, fat and micronutrients in their diet and that dietary compliance will be easier if they focus on eating more satiating foods.
The situation you say bugs you...just doesn't exist.18 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »
I'll stick with my strong heart and plentiful food from weightlifting and HIIT. More bang for the buck.
Not in my experience. Can't sustain HIIT long enough to burn any meaningful amount of calories, and whatever I burn I eat back twofold or more because it increases my hunger substantially. Now don't get me wrong, no one has to do cardio (or weight lifting, or HIIT for that matter), but you can't call any form of exercise a waste of time because there are clear benefits to being active, health and otherwise.
Yes, sitting on your *kitten* is a much greater waste of time.
Since I don't like exercising in general, I'm going to spend the least amount of time possible to get the greatest benefit which means high intensity. I just want to get it over with so I can get back to thing I enjoy.
And that's totally alright! It's just, this sounds more like preference than opinion.
Nah, I still am not a fan of cardio(but it's better than nothing). I believe there are much greater benefits from high intensity exercise.
How do you know you don't burn as much calories doing HIIT? I believe that much shorter, high intensity exercise may not burn as much at the time, but the residual calorie burn from greater muscle stimulation lasts much longer resulting in more CO.
EPOC (Excess Post Exercise Oxygen Consunption) for HIIT is 14%, for Low Impact Steady State it's 7%. That's the % of residual burn of calories burned during. FWIW. HIIT can't be done for very long so the overall burn is not that big. If you could do 30 minutes of HIIT, your Butner with EPOCH would be about the same as 60 minutes of LISS but who can do 30 minutes of HIIT??
This would depend on the intensity of the HIIT. And as @GottaBurnEmAll stated not all "HIIT" is equal. To me, HIIT means the intervals are 100% all out.
That is the HIIT I'm talking about and in exercise physiology circle based on studies, that is the commonly accepted number. This was discussed in detail on the Lyle McDonald article sjomial linked to. It is also the number Dr. Brad Shoenfeld uses. It pretty objective and not really the subject of much speculation as to variance.
Less that 100% all out would not technically be HIIT but would be considered interval training. The EPOC would fall somewhere between LISS and HIIT depending on intensity. All HIIT is not equal because the Marketing woo machines call everything HIIT today. Things like 1 hours HIIT classes. If you can do it for 1 hour, it ain't HIIT!!
PS: The link sjomial gave is the 2nd in a series of in depth article about the subject and references a lot of the current research. If that is the link you are kind of dismissive of in one of your posts above, I suggest you didn't read it thoroughly. There are links to both the initial article in the series and the following ones at the bottom of the one posted.
I did read it, but I'll look at the references too. My main leaning to HIIT over cardio is that it is closer to weightlifting in it's muscle building potential... if I am not mistaken. However, I pretty much just lift and try to stay away from all that gross running stuff...
HIIT is always cardio. Cardio is not always HIIT...3
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