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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
I'm not dieting, I'm changing to a healthy lifestyle. If I'm doing the cooking and the grocery shopping, then yes, my family will be changing to a healthy lifestyle, too. If they choose to continue with an unhealthy lifestyle, I'm not going to stop them, but I'm not going to enable them either.
Isn't that making them too??? sounds like it's being forced on them...unless you are like me...*see below
I do the cooking and shopping too but I make sure I ask my husband "is there anything you want me to pick up for you?" and if he says chips I get them...or if my son asks for moon pies...fine. I frequently cook calorie dense food items...for my family...they are men and need it more than I do so I just take a smaller portion.
I will even cook calorie dense brownie bottomed peanut butter cheese cake for them if they ask...
I am not enabling an unhealthy lifestyle...I am displaying and participating in a life of moderation.
I think you missed the part where I said that I am NOT dieting but changing to a healthy lifestyle. Yes, a healthy lifestyle sometimes includes calorie dense foods.
I am not making them do anything. If they want a moon pie, they can go out and buy a moon pie. I won't stop them. I just won't be buying it for them.
so you are forcing the change on them because prior to you deciding that it was time for you to "get healthy" I expect that things that they wanted even if not the most healthy were part of the groceries at some point and that they were not told "go buy it yourself"...
see I would equate that to my husband not shovelling my side of the driveway...he always did shovel it but now that I am getting healthy he thinks I should do that...heck no...that's his job..mine is to get the groceries and cook for the family and I won't impose my will on them...anymore than I would want them to do it to me.
and I didn't mention dieting either...
The OP said "Your family should not be forced to diet with you". I stated that I am not dieting. Dieting implies that you are trying to lose weight. I am NOT forcing my family to lose weight (diet). The only change happening is that I am not enabling an unhealthy lifestyle anymore. If they want to be unhealthy, that is their choice and they can do it on their own without my help.
lol..if you want to use that word as the reason for what you are doing isn't the same then have at...
but you are forcing your family into a lifestyle that they are not choosing you are...
if your husband asks you to pick up a bag of chips at the store while you are out are you really going to say No? If your child asks you for you to pick up some cookies as a treat or donuts are you going to look at them and say go get it yourself?
oh and how is food like oh moon pies aka carmel cakes, joe louis etc unhealthy???? it's food...and when eaten in moderation there is nothing unhealthy about it.
You do you and I'll do me. I'm not forcing my family to do anything and they would agree with me.
Even if you were (and I'm not suggesting your are), so what? You are the parent.
not of her husband...and I am a parent too but he is old enough to make his own choices...not for me to force anything on anyone.0 -
magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
I'm not dieting, I'm changing to a healthy lifestyle. If I'm doing the cooking and the grocery shopping, then yes, my family will be changing to a healthy lifestyle, too. If they choose to continue with an unhealthy lifestyle, I'm not going to stop them, but I'm not going to enable them either.
Isn't that making them too??? sounds like it's being forced on them...unless you are like me...*see below
I do the cooking and shopping too but I make sure I ask my husband "is there anything you want me to pick up for you?" and if he says chips I get them...or if my son asks for moon pies...fine. I frequently cook calorie dense food items...for my family...they are men and need it more than I do so I just take a smaller portion.
I will even cook calorie dense brownie bottomed peanut butter cheese cake for them if they ask...
I am not enabling an unhealthy lifestyle...I am displaying and participating in a life of moderation.
I think you missed the part where I said that I am NOT dieting but changing to a healthy lifestyle. Yes, a healthy lifestyle sometimes includes calorie dense foods.
I am not making them do anything. If they want a moon pie, they can go out and buy a moon pie. I won't stop them. I just won't be buying it for them.
so you are forcing the change on them because prior to you deciding that it was time for you to "get healthy" I expect that things that they wanted even if not the most healthy were part of the groceries at some point and that they were not told "go buy it yourself"...
see I would equate that to my husband not shovelling my side of the driveway...he always did shovel it but now that I am getting healthy he thinks I should do that...heck no...that's his job..mine is to get the groceries and cook for the family and I won't impose my will on them...anymore than I would want them to do it to me.
and I didn't mention dieting either...
The OP said "Your family should not be forced to diet with you". I stated that I am not dieting. Dieting implies that you are trying to lose weight. I am NOT forcing my family to lose weight (diet). The only change happening is that I am not enabling an unhealthy lifestyle anymore. If they want to be unhealthy, that is their choice and they can do it on their own without my help.
lol..if you want to use that word as the reason for what you are doing isn't the same then have at...
but you are forcing your family into a lifestyle that they are not choosing you are...
if your husband asks you to pick up a bag of chips at the store while you are out are you really going to say No? If your child asks you for you to pick up some cookies as a treat or donuts are you going to look at them and say go get it yourself?
oh and how is food like oh moon pies aka carmel cakes, joe louis etc unhealthy???? it's food...and when eaten in moderation there is nothing unhealthy about it.
You do you and I'll do me. I'm not forcing my family to do anything and they would agree with me.
lol sure...glad you answered the question ...guess we know the answer...
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Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
eh I don't see that as blaming the person dieting for anything...it's a blunt statement of what they did that may have caused them saying no more cookies in the house...which is not teh fault of the kids/husband0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
I'm not dieting, I'm changing to a healthy lifestyle. If I'm doing the cooking and the grocery shopping, then yes, my family will be changing to a healthy lifestyle, too. If they choose to continue with an unhealthy lifestyle, I'm not going to stop them, but I'm not going to enable them either.
Isn't that making them too??? sounds like it's being forced on them...unless you are like me...*see below
I do the cooking and shopping too but I make sure I ask my husband "is there anything you want me to pick up for you?" and if he says chips I get them...or if my son asks for moon pies...fine. I frequently cook calorie dense food items...for my family...they are men and need it more than I do so I just take a smaller portion.
I will even cook calorie dense brownie bottomed peanut butter cheese cake for them if they ask...
I am not enabling an unhealthy lifestyle...I am displaying and participating in a life of moderation.
I think you missed the part where I said that I am NOT dieting but changing to a healthy lifestyle. Yes, a healthy lifestyle sometimes includes calorie dense foods.
I am not making them do anything. If they want a moon pie, they can go out and buy a moon pie. I won't stop them. I just won't be buying it for them.
so you are forcing the change on them because prior to you deciding that it was time for you to "get healthy" I expect that things that they wanted even if not the most healthy were part of the groceries at some point and that they were not told "go buy it yourself"...
see I would equate that to my husband not shovelling my side of the driveway...he always did shovel it but now that I am getting healthy he thinks I should do that...heck no...that's his job..mine is to get the groceries and cook for the family and I won't impose my will on them...anymore than I would want them to do it to me.
and I didn't mention dieting either...
The OP said "Your family should not be forced to diet with you". I stated that I am not dieting. Dieting implies that you are trying to lose weight. I am NOT forcing my family to lose weight (diet). The only change happening is that I am not enabling an unhealthy lifestyle anymore. If they want to be unhealthy, that is their choice and they can do it on their own without my help.
lol..if you want to use that word as the reason for what you are doing isn't the same then have at...
but you are forcing your family into a lifestyle that they are not choosing you are...
if your husband asks you to pick up a bag of chips at the store while you are out are you really going to say No? If your child asks you for you to pick up some cookies as a treat or donuts are you going to look at them and say go get it yourself?
oh and how is food like oh moon pies aka carmel cakes, joe louis etc unhealthy???? it's food...and when eaten in moderation there is nothing unhealthy about it.
You do you and I'll do me. I'm not forcing my family to do anything and they would agree with me.
Even if you were (and I'm not suggesting your are), so what? You are the parent.
not of her husband...and I am a parent too but he is old enough to make his own choices...not for me to force anything on anyone.
If they are old enough to make their own choices, they old enough to buy their own moon pies. Moon pies are not a fundamental right, nor is refusing to buy moon pies some form of abuse.12 -
The only person to blame for 9/10 cases of obesity is the obese person themselves.
It's all about making the smart choices - thing is they're really obvious. If you question if a food is healthy, there's a good chance it isn't.0 -
magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
I'm not dieting, I'm changing to a healthy lifestyle. If I'm doing the cooking and the grocery shopping, then yes, my family will be changing to a healthy lifestyle, too. If they choose to continue with an unhealthy lifestyle, I'm not going to stop them, but I'm not going to enable them either.
Isn't that making them too??? sounds like it's being forced on them...unless you are like me...*see below
I do the cooking and shopping too but I make sure I ask my husband "is there anything you want me to pick up for you?" and if he says chips I get them...or if my son asks for moon pies...fine. I frequently cook calorie dense food items...for my family...they are men and need it more than I do so I just take a smaller portion.
I will even cook calorie dense brownie bottomed peanut butter cheese cake for them if they ask...
I am not enabling an unhealthy lifestyle...I am displaying and participating in a life of moderation.
I think you missed the part where I said that I am NOT dieting but changing to a healthy lifestyle. Yes, a healthy lifestyle sometimes includes calorie dense foods.
I am not making them do anything. If they want a moon pie, they can go out and buy a moon pie. I won't stop them. I just won't be buying it for them.
so you are forcing the change on them because prior to you deciding that it was time for you to "get healthy" I expect that things that they wanted even if not the most healthy were part of the groceries at some point and that they were not told "go buy it yourself"...
see I would equate that to my husband not shovelling my side of the driveway...he always did shovel it but now that I am getting healthy he thinks I should do that...heck no...that's his job..mine is to get the groceries and cook for the family and I won't impose my will on them...anymore than I would want them to do it to me.
and I didn't mention dieting either...
The OP said "Your family should not be forced to diet with you". I stated that I am not dieting. Dieting implies that you are trying to lose weight. I am NOT forcing my family to lose weight (diet). The only change happening is that I am not enabling an unhealthy lifestyle anymore. If they want to be unhealthy, that is their choice and they can do it on their own without my help.
I think that's a fantastic attitude - Why force your family to eat *kitten* food. I fully support your choice.7 -
Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
When people don't understand that removing junk food from a diet is a huge benefit and not a punishment it always makes me raise a concerned look.
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magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
I'm not dieting, I'm changing to a healthy lifestyle. If I'm doing the cooking and the grocery shopping, then yes, my family will be changing to a healthy lifestyle, too. If they choose to continue with an unhealthy lifestyle, I'm not going to stop them, but I'm not going to enable them either.
Isn't that making them too??? sounds like it's being forced on them...unless you are like me...*see below
I do the cooking and shopping too but I make sure I ask my husband "is there anything you want me to pick up for you?" and if he says chips I get them...or if my son asks for moon pies...fine. I frequently cook calorie dense food items...for my family...they are men and need it more than I do so I just take a smaller portion.
I will even cook calorie dense brownie bottomed peanut butter cheese cake for them if they ask...
I am not enabling an unhealthy lifestyle...I am displaying and participating in a life of moderation.
I think you missed the part where I said that I am NOT dieting but changing to a healthy lifestyle. Yes, a healthy lifestyle sometimes includes calorie dense foods.
I am not making them do anything. If they want a moon pie, they can go out and buy a moon pie. I won't stop them. I just won't be buying it for them.
so you are forcing the change on them because prior to you deciding that it was time for you to "get healthy" I expect that things that they wanted even if not the most healthy were part of the groceries at some point and that they were not told "go buy it yourself"...
see I would equate that to my husband not shovelling my side of the driveway...he always did shovel it but now that I am getting healthy he thinks I should do that...heck no...that's his job..mine is to get the groceries and cook for the family and I won't impose my will on them...anymore than I would want them to do it to me.
and I didn't mention dieting either...
The OP said "Your family should not be forced to diet with you". I stated that I am not dieting. Dieting implies that you are trying to lose weight. I am NOT forcing my family to lose weight (diet). The only change happening is that I am not enabling an unhealthy lifestyle anymore. If they want to be unhealthy, that is their choice and they can do it on their own without my help.
lol..if you want to use that word as the reason for what you are doing isn't the same then have at...
but you are forcing your family into a lifestyle that they are not choosing you are...
if your husband asks you to pick up a bag of chips at the store while you are out are you really going to say No? If your child asks you for you to pick up some cookies as a treat or donuts are you going to look at them and say go get it yourself?
oh and how is food like oh moon pies aka carmel cakes, joe louis etc unhealthy???? it's food...and when eaten in moderation there is nothing unhealthy about it.
You do you and I'll do me. I'm not forcing my family to do anything and they would agree with me.
lol sure...glad you answered the question ...guess we know the answer...
Which question in particular would you like me to answer?0 -
Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
When people don't understand that removing junk food from a diet is a huge benefit and not a punishment it always makes me raise a concerned look.
If a person or family eats a primarily nutrient dense diet, but has things like oreos or cheezits in the pantry available for consumption in moderation, what benefits would that family or person see if they no longer consume an oreo or two after dinner? Telling the family that those things will no longer be in the house, because one person has difficulty moderating them or has chosen to cut them out in favor of other food choices, you don't think that would be seen as a negative and unnecessary consequence for other family members?9 -
Almost scared to post this one and im sorry in advanced but...
I think parents who post constantly about not being able to eat healthy because their kids/husband refuse to eat healthy foods are either lieing to themselves or -gulp- bad parents (im sorry ill explain)
Take kids, Whose the adult there? you or them? Okay well they have to eat what you give them. You can transition them into healthier options. You should be giving them healthy food anyway. Your the adult, Do you want them growing up with the same health issues you have?
Does this mean they shouldnt enjoy themselves and have junk food? no. But im talking about the "HELP! I have to eat deep fried bacon for dinner because thats all my family wants me to make them!" types.
I mean especially if your the familly cook... Grow some adult and cook for their health aswell. Should everyoen be forced to diet? no. But have a healthy diet? Why not healthy food is delicious and theyll thank you for it one day when they dont have a ton of health issues and are on MFP wondering how to make their own kids eat healthy with them.
Break the damn circle, Stop using it as an excuse.14 -
JaydedMiss wrote: »
Take kids, Whose the adult there? you or them? Okay well they have to eat what you give them. You can transition them into healthier options. You should be giving them healthy food anyway. Your the adult, Do you want them growing up with the same health issues you have?
I mean especially if your the familly cook... Grow some adult and cook for their health aswell. Should everyoen be forced to diet? no. But have a healthy diet? Why not healthy food is delicious and theyll thank you for it one day when they dont have a ton of health issues and are on MFP wondering how to make their own kids eat healthy with them.
Break the damn circle, Stop using it as an excuse.
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JaydedMiss wrote: »Almost scared to post this one and im sorry in advanced but...
I think parents who post constantly about not being able to eat healthy because their kids/husband refuse to eat healthy foods are either lieing to themselves or -gulp- bad parents (im sorry)
Take kids, Whose the adult there? you or them? Okay well they have to eat what you give them. You can transition them into healthier options. You should be giving them healthy food anyway. Your the adult, Do you want them growing up with the same health issues you have?
Does this mean they shouldnt enjoy themselves and have junk food? no. But im talking about the "HELP! I have to eat deep fried bacon for dinner because thats all my family wants me to make them!" types.
I mean especially if your the familly cook... Grow some adult and cook for their health aswell. Should everyoen be forced to diet? no. But have a healthy diet? Why not healthy food is delicious and theyll thank you for it one day when they dont have a ton of health issues and are on MFP wondering how to make their own kids eat healthy with them.
Break the damn circle, Stop using it as an excuse.
Yup. My mom believed carbonated beverages were bad for people’s health. Not debating the woo’ness of her belief, but she thought they were bad for her & her children. So, there were no soft drinks in the house and if we ate out we were not allowed to order a soft drink. She was the parent, she decided what was healthy, and family money talked. (Smartly she didn’t forbid us to drink soft drinks, but we would have to spend our own money to do so - something we rarely ever did.).
Same with all foods- out home was stocked with all the foods she thought were healthy for us (and her). Sugary treats were almost always homemade and rare. (Exception made for seasonal Christmas “Jingles”. - Anise flavour day holiday cookies available locally that she never did come up with as good a tasting homemade alternative).
Mom chose the foods we all ate, so she made what she thought were healthy choices!7 -
JaydedMiss wrote: »Almost scared to post this one and im sorry in advanced but...
I think parents who post constantly about not being able to eat healthy because their kids/husband refuse to eat healthy foods are either lieing to themselves or -gulp- bad parents (im sorry)
Take kids, Whose the adult there? you or them? Okay well they have to eat what you give them. You can transition them into healthier options. You should be giving them healthy food anyway. Your the adult, Do you want them growing up with the same health issues you have?
Does this mean they shouldnt enjoy themselves and have junk food? no. But im talking about the "HELP! I have to eat deep fried bacon for dinner because thats all my family wants me to make them!" types.
I mean especially if your the familly cook... Grow some adult and cook for their health aswell. Should everyoen be forced to diet? no. But have a healthy diet? Why not healthy food is delicious and theyll thank you for it one day when they dont have a ton of health issues and are on MFP wondering how to make their own kids eat healthy with them.
Break the damn circle, Stop using it as an excuse.
Yup. My mom believed carbonated beverages were bad for people’s health. Not debating the woo’ness of her belief, but she thought they were bad for her & her children. So, there were no soft drinks in the house and if we ate out we were not allowed to order a soft drink. She was the parent, she decided what was healthy, and family money talked. (Smartly she didn’t forbid us to drink soft drinks, but we would have to spend our own money to do so - something we rarely ever did.).
Same with all foods- out home was stocked with all the foods she thought were healthy for us (and her). Sugary treats were almost always homemade and rare. (Exception made for seasonal Christmas “Jingles”. - Anise flavour day holiday cookies available locally that she never did come up with as good a tasting homemade alternative).
Mom chose the foods we all ate, so she made what she thought were healthy choices!
Im betting the not forbidding the treats and making extra special special occasion treats set you in a good mindset with treats. Forbidding them is also not something id ever do that can really mess a person up telling them they cant ever have something tends to backfire. But making some foods for extra special occasions and making them extra special sounds wonderful i like your mom. Assuming she was a great baker0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
When people don't understand that removing junk food from a diet is a huge benefit and not a punishment it always makes me raise a concerned look.
If a person or family eats a primarily nutrient dense diet, but has things like oreos or cheezits in the pantry available for consumption in moderation, what benefits would that family or person see if they no longer consume an oreo or two after dinner? Telling the family that those things will no longer be in the house, because one person has difficulty moderating them or has chosen to cut them out in favor of other food choices, you don't think that would be seen as a negative and unnecessary consequence for other family members?
While I agree that having an occasional treat of not-so-healthy food is not detrimental to health, I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's a negative consequence to not have it. Unless they live in a bubble or some type of commune away from general society, kids are going to eat junk food. Not having it in the house isn't going to stop that.
But, not having it in the house might make them see that as the norm. Then again, it might not. Hard to judge something like that but every parent should do what they feel is right, even if it differs from what I feel is right.1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
I'm not dieting, I'm changing to a healthy lifestyle. If I'm doing the cooking and the grocery shopping, then yes, my family will be changing to a healthy lifestyle, too. If they choose to continue with an unhealthy lifestyle, I'm not going to stop them, but I'm not going to enable them either.
Isn't that making them too??? sounds like it's being forced on them...unless you are like me...*see below
I do the cooking and shopping too but I make sure I ask my husband "is there anything you want me to pick up for you?" and if he says chips I get them...or if my son asks for moon pies...fine. I frequently cook calorie dense food items...for my family...they are men and need it more than I do so I just take a smaller portion.
I will even cook calorie dense brownie bottomed peanut butter cheese cake for them if they ask...
I am not enabling an unhealthy lifestyle...I am displaying and participating in a life of moderation.
I think you missed the part where I said that I am NOT dieting but changing to a healthy lifestyle. Yes, a healthy lifestyle sometimes includes calorie dense foods.
I am not making them do anything. If they want a moon pie, they can go out and buy a moon pie. I won't stop them. I just won't be buying it for them.
so you are forcing the change on them because prior to you deciding that it was time for you to "get healthy" I expect that things that they wanted even if not the most healthy were part of the groceries at some point and that they were not told "go buy it yourself"...
see I would equate that to my husband not shovelling my side of the driveway...he always did shovel it but now that I am getting healthy he thinks I should do that...heck no...that's his job..mine is to get the groceries and cook for the family and I won't impose my will on them...anymore than I would want them to do it to me.
and I didn't mention dieting either...
The OP said "Your family should not be forced to diet with you". I stated that I am not dieting. Dieting implies that you are trying to lose weight. I am NOT forcing my family to lose weight (diet). The only change happening is that I am not enabling an unhealthy lifestyle anymore. If they want to be unhealthy, that is their choice and they can do it on their own without my help.
lol..if you want to use that word as the reason for what you are doing isn't the same then have at...
but you are forcing your family into a lifestyle that they are not choosing you are...
if your husband asks you to pick up a bag of chips at the store while you are out are you really going to say No? If your child asks you for you to pick up some cookies as a treat or donuts are you going to look at them and say go get it yourself?
oh and how is food like oh moon pies aka carmel cakes, joe louis etc unhealthy???? it's food...and when eaten in moderation there is nothing unhealthy about it.
You do you and I'll do me. I'm not forcing my family to do anything and they would agree with me.
Even if you were (and I'm not suggesting your are), so what? You are the parent.
not of her husband...and I am a parent too but he is old enough to make his own choices...not for me to force anything on anyone.
If they are old enough to make their own choices, they old enough to buy their own moon pies. Moon pies are not a fundamental right, nor is refusing to buy moon pies some form of abuse.
I never said it was...way to take a leap there...holy cow.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »magster4isu wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
I'm not dieting, I'm changing to a healthy lifestyle. If I'm doing the cooking and the grocery shopping, then yes, my family will be changing to a healthy lifestyle, too. If they choose to continue with an unhealthy lifestyle, I'm not going to stop them, but I'm not going to enable them either.
Isn't that making them too??? sounds like it's being forced on them...unless you are like me...*see below
I do the cooking and shopping too but I make sure I ask my husband "is there anything you want me to pick up for you?" and if he says chips I get them...or if my son asks for moon pies...fine. I frequently cook calorie dense food items...for my family...they are men and need it more than I do so I just take a smaller portion.
I will even cook calorie dense brownie bottomed peanut butter cheese cake for them if they ask...
I am not enabling an unhealthy lifestyle...I am displaying and participating in a life of moderation.
I think you missed the part where I said that I am NOT dieting but changing to a healthy lifestyle. Yes, a healthy lifestyle sometimes includes calorie dense foods.
I am not making them do anything. If they want a moon pie, they can go out and buy a moon pie. I won't stop them. I just won't be buying it for them.
so you are forcing the change on them because prior to you deciding that it was time for you to "get healthy" I expect that things that they wanted even if not the most healthy were part of the groceries at some point and that they were not told "go buy it yourself"...
see I would equate that to my husband not shovelling my side of the driveway...he always did shovel it but now that I am getting healthy he thinks I should do that...heck no...that's his job..mine is to get the groceries and cook for the family and I won't impose my will on them...anymore than I would want them to do it to me.
and I didn't mention dieting either...
The OP said "Your family should not be forced to diet with you". I stated that I am not dieting. Dieting implies that you are trying to lose weight. I am NOT forcing my family to lose weight (diet). The only change happening is that I am not enabling an unhealthy lifestyle anymore. If they want to be unhealthy, that is their choice and they can do it on their own without my help.
lol..if you want to use that word as the reason for what you are doing isn't the same then have at...
but you are forcing your family into a lifestyle that they are not choosing you are...
if your husband asks you to pick up a bag of chips at the store while you are out are you really going to say No? If your child asks you for you to pick up some cookies as a treat or donuts are you going to look at them and say go get it yourself?
oh and how is food like oh moon pies aka carmel cakes, joe louis etc unhealthy???? it's food...and when eaten in moderation there is nothing unhealthy about it.
You do you and I'll do me. I'm not forcing my family to do anything and they would agree with me.
Even if you were (and I'm not suggesting your are), so what? You are the parent.
not of her husband...and I am a parent too but he is old enough to make his own choices...not for me to force anything on anyone.
If they are old enough to make their own choices, they old enough to buy their own moon pies. Moon pies are not a fundamental right, nor is refusing to buy moon pies some form of abuse.
I never said it was...way to take a leap there...holy cow.
I didn't suggest you said it was. My point is that since it's not abuse, why jump all over someone else's parenting choices?0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
When people don't understand that removing junk food from a diet is a huge benefit and not a punishment it always makes me raise a concerned look.
If a person or family eats a primarily nutrient dense diet, but has things like oreos or cheezits in the pantry available for consumption in moderation, what benefits would that family or person see if they no longer consume an oreo or two after dinner? Telling the family that those things will no longer be in the house, because one person has difficulty moderating them or has chosen to cut them out in favor of other food choices, you don't think that would be seen as a negative and unnecessary consequence for other family members?
While I agree that having an occasional treat of not-so-healthy food is not detrimental to health, I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's a negative consequence to not have it. Unless they live in a bubble or some type of commune away from general society, kids are going to eat junk food. Not having it in the house isn't going to stop that.
But, not having it in the house might make them see that as the norm. Then again, it might not. Hard to judge something like that but every parent should do what they feel is right, even if it differs from what I feel is right.
well my mom chose nutrient dense foods for 1 reason and 1 only...we were poor.
After a while when we weren't...there was a diabetic in the house so that made her choose differently as well so as to not impact him too much...
however we were allowed ice cream in the house, chips ahoy and the odd envelope of tang...but rarely my fav of fruitloops...or anything like that...anythign people would consider "unhealthy"
what impact did it have on us...we meaning all 7 of the kids (save the diabetic) got overweight...some obese..some are getting gastic bypass...why because yup we were told you want it you go buy it..and we did and we ate it all...we ate lots of nutrient dense foods as well...
food is fuel it is not healthy vs unhealthy...it's the amount that is eaten that is unhealthy...allowing for treats in the house can allow for people to learn to moderate..
for example my son at 14 I let him drink reasonable amounts under my supervision...as he grew he learned to moderate and hardly drinks at all now...where as a lot of my family are daily drinkers...even some alcoholics...so yes not allowing for this can have adverse effects.5 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
When people don't understand that removing junk food from a diet is a huge benefit and not a punishment it always makes me raise a concerned look.
If a person or family eats a primarily nutrient dense diet, but has things like oreos or cheezits in the pantry available for consumption in moderation, what benefits would that family or person see if they no longer consume an oreo or two after dinner? Telling the family that those things will no longer be in the house, because one person has difficulty moderating them or has chosen to cut them out in favor of other food choices, you don't think that would be seen as a negative and unnecessary consequence for other family members?
While I agree that having an occasional treat of not-so-healthy food is not detrimental to health, I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's a negative consequence to not have it. Unless they live in a bubble or some type of commune away from general society, kids are going to eat junk food. Not having it in the house isn't going to stop that.
But, not having it in the house might make them see that as the norm. Then again, it might not. Hard to judge something like that but every parent should do what they feel is right, even if it differs from what I feel is right.
well my mom chose nutrient dense foods for 1 reason and 1 only...we were poor.
After a while when we weren't...there was a diabetic in the house so that made her choose differently as well so as to not impact him too much...
however we were allowed ice cream in the house, chips ahoy and the odd envelope of tang...but rarely my fav of fruitloops...or anything like that...anythign people would consider "unhealthy"
what impact did it have on us...we meaning all 7 of the kids (save the diabetic) got overweight...some obese..some are getting gastic bypass...why because yup we were told you want it you go buy it..and we did and we ate it all...we ate lots of nutrient dense foods as well...
food is fuel it is not healthy vs unhealthy...it's the amount that is eaten that is unhealthy...allowing for treats in the house can allow for people to learn to moderate..
for example my son at 14 I let him drink reasonable amounts under my supervision...as he grew he learned to moderate and hardly drinks at all now...where as a lot of my family are daily drinkers...even some alcoholics...so yes not allowing for this can have adverse effects.
Okay. There are just as many examples of the opposite reactions.3 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
When people don't understand that removing junk food from a diet is a huge benefit and not a punishment it always makes me raise a concerned look.
If a person or family eats a primarily nutrient dense diet, but has things like oreos or cheezits in the pantry available for consumption in moderation, what benefits would that family or person see if they no longer consume an oreo or two after dinner? Telling the family that those things will no longer be in the house, because one person has difficulty moderating them or has chosen to cut them out in favor of other food choices, you don't think that would be seen as a negative and unnecessary consequence for other family members?
While I agree that having an occasional treat of not-so-healthy food is not detrimental to health, I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's a negative consequence to not have it. Unless they live in a bubble or some type of commune away from general society, kids are going to eat junk food. Not having it in the house isn't going to stop that.
But, not having it in the house might make them see that as the norm. Then again, it might not. Hard to judge something like that but every parent should do what they feel is right, even if it differs from what I feel is right.
well my mom chose nutrient dense foods for 1 reason and 1 only...we were poor.
After a while when we weren't...there was a diabetic in the house so that made her choose differently as well so as to not impact him too much...
however we were allowed ice cream in the house, chips ahoy and the odd envelope of tang...but rarely my fav of fruitloops...or anything like that...anythign people would consider "unhealthy"
what impact did it have on us...we meaning all 7 of the kids (save the diabetic) got overweight...some obese..some are getting gastic bypass...why because yup we were told you want it you go buy it..and we did and we ate it all...we ate lots of nutrient dense foods as well...
food is fuel it is not healthy vs unhealthy...it's the amount that is eaten that is unhealthy...allowing for treats in the house can allow for people to learn to moderate..
for example my son at 14 I let him drink reasonable amounts under my supervision...as he grew he learned to moderate and hardly drinks at all now...where as a lot of my family are daily drinkers...even some alcoholics...so yes not allowing for this can have adverse effects.
Okay. There are just as many examples of the opposite reactions.
could be but human nature says you want what you are denied or as kids told is bad...esp if you never get it...or so rarely that it can be counted on 1 hand....0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
When people don't understand that removing junk food from a diet is a huge benefit and not a punishment it always makes me raise a concerned look.
If a person or family eats a primarily nutrient dense diet, but has things like oreos or cheezits in the pantry available for consumption in moderation, what benefits would that family or person see if they no longer consume an oreo or two after dinner? Telling the family that those things will no longer be in the house, because one person has difficulty moderating them or has chosen to cut them out in favor of other food choices, you don't think that would be seen as a negative and unnecessary consequence for other family members?
While I agree that having an occasional treat of not-so-healthy food is not detrimental to health, I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's a negative consequence to not have it. Unless they live in a bubble or some type of commune away from general society, kids are going to eat junk food. Not having it in the house isn't going to stop that.
But, not having it in the house might make them see that as the norm. Then again, it might not. Hard to judge something like that but every parent should do what they feel is right, even if it differs from what I feel is right.
well my mom chose nutrient dense foods for 1 reason and 1 only...we were poor.
After a while when we weren't...there was a diabetic in the house so that made her choose differently as well so as to not impact him too much...
however we were allowed ice cream in the house, chips ahoy and the odd envelope of tang...but rarely my fav of fruitloops...or anything like that...anythign people would consider "unhealthy"
what impact did it have on us...we meaning all 7 of the kids (save the diabetic) got overweight...some obese..some are getting gastic bypass...why because yup we were told you want it you go buy it..and we did and we ate it all...we ate lots of nutrient dense foods as well...
food is fuel it is not healthy vs unhealthy...it's the amount that is eaten that is unhealthy...allowing for treats in the house can allow for people to learn to moderate..
for example my son at 14 I let him drink reasonable amounts under my supervision...as he grew he learned to moderate and hardly drinks at all now...where as a lot of my family are daily drinkers...even some alcoholics...so yes not allowing for this can have adverse effects.
Okay. There are just as many examples of the opposite reactions.
could be but human nature says you want what you are denied or as kids told is bad...esp if you never get it...or so rarely that it can be counted on 1 hand....
Does it? Maybe so. I suppose it would depend more on the attitude presented by the parent. And the child. But it's far from an absolute, and still no reason to jump all over someone else's parenting choices.1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
When people don't understand that removing junk food from a diet is a huge benefit and not a punishment it always makes me raise a concerned look.
If a person or family eats a primarily nutrient dense diet, but has things like oreos or cheezits in the pantry available for consumption in moderation, what benefits would that family or person see if they no longer consume an oreo or two after dinner? Telling the family that those things will no longer be in the house, because one person has difficulty moderating them or has chosen to cut them out in favor of other food choices, you don't think that would be seen as a negative and unnecessary consequence for other family members?
While I agree that having an occasional treat of not-so-healthy food is not detrimental to health, I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's a negative consequence to not have it. Unless they live in a bubble or some type of commune away from general society, kids are going to eat junk food. Not having it in the house isn't going to stop that.
But, not having it in the house might make them see that as the norm. Then again, it might not. Hard to judge something like that but every parent should do what they feel is right, even if it differs from what I feel is right.
well my mom chose nutrient dense foods for 1 reason and 1 only...we were poor.
After a while when we weren't...there was a diabetic in the house so that made her choose differently as well so as to not impact him too much...
however we were allowed ice cream in the house, chips ahoy and the odd envelope of tang...but rarely my fav of fruitloops...or anything like that...anythign people would consider "unhealthy"
what impact did it have on us...we meaning all 7 of the kids (save the diabetic) got overweight...some obese..some are getting gastic bypass...why because yup we were told you want it you go buy it..and we did and we ate it all...we ate lots of nutrient dense foods as well...
food is fuel it is not healthy vs unhealthy...it's the amount that is eaten that is unhealthy...allowing for treats in the house can allow for people to learn to moderate..
for example my son at 14 I let him drink reasonable amounts under my supervision...as he grew he learned to moderate and hardly drinks at all now...where as a lot of my family are daily drinkers...even some alcoholics...so yes not allowing for this can have adverse effects.
Okay. There are just as many examples of the opposite reactions.
could be but human nature says you want what you are denied or as kids told is bad...esp if you never get it...or so rarely that it can be counted on 1 hand....
Maybe, but habit plays a part too. For instance we almost never had "desert" in my family. No after dinner sweet course. To this day, I order a cappuccino for desert while others order pie or cake or something. I'm SO GLAD that is a habit I never picked up, because I don't miss the after dinner calories like so many others might.3 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
When people don't understand that removing junk food from a diet is a huge benefit and not a punishment it always makes me raise a concerned look.
If a person or family eats a primarily nutrient dense diet, but has things like oreos or cheezits in the pantry available for consumption in moderation, what benefits would that family or person see if they no longer consume an oreo or two after dinner? Telling the family that those things will no longer be in the house, because one person has difficulty moderating them or has chosen to cut them out in favor of other food choices, you don't think that would be seen as a negative and unnecessary consequence for other family members?
While I agree that having an occasional treat of not-so-healthy food is not detrimental to health, I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's a negative consequence to not have it. Unless they live in a bubble or some type of commune away from general society, kids are going to eat junk food. Not having it in the house isn't going to stop that.
But, not having it in the house might make them see that as the norm. Then again, it might not. Hard to judge something like that but every parent should do what they feel is right, even if it differs from what I feel is right.
well my mom chose nutrient dense foods for 1 reason and 1 only...we were poor.
After a while when we weren't...there was a diabetic in the house so that made her choose differently as well so as to not impact him too much...
however we were allowed ice cream in the house, chips ahoy and the odd envelope of tang...but rarely my fav of fruitloops...or anything like that...anythign people would consider "unhealthy"
what impact did it have on us...we meaning all 7 of the kids (save the diabetic) got overweight...some obese..some are getting gastic bypass...why because yup we were told you want it you go buy it..and we did and we ate it all...we ate lots of nutrient dense foods as well...
food is fuel it is not healthy vs unhealthy...it's the amount that is eaten that is unhealthy...allowing for treats in the house can allow for people to learn to moderate..
for example my son at 14 I let him drink reasonable amounts under my supervision...as he grew he learned to moderate and hardly drinks at all now...where as a lot of my family are daily drinkers...even some alcoholics...so yes not allowing for this can have adverse effects.
Okay. There are just as many examples of the opposite reactions.
could be but human nature says you want what you are denied or as kids told is bad...esp if you never get it...or so rarely that it can be counted on 1 hand....
Human nature also says that if you are continually fed those calorie dense foods it becomes a habit. The point I think most people are trying to make is that these foods do not need to be in the house all the time. It is okay to have them occasionally and in moderation.5 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
When people don't understand that removing junk food from a diet is a huge benefit and not a punishment it always makes me raise a concerned look.
If a person or family eats a primarily nutrient dense diet, but has things like oreos or cheezits in the pantry available for consumption in moderation, what benefits would that family or person see if they no longer consume an oreo or two after dinner? Telling the family that those things will no longer be in the house, because one person has difficulty moderating them or has chosen to cut them out in favor of other food choices, you don't think that would be seen as a negative and unnecessary consequence for other family members?
While I agree that having an occasional treat of not-so-healthy food is not detrimental to health, I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's a negative consequence to not have it. Unless they live in a bubble or some type of commune away from general society, kids are going to eat junk food. Not having it in the house isn't going to stop that.
But, not having it in the house might make them see that as the norm. Then again, it might not. Hard to judge something like that but every parent should do what they feel is right, even if it differs from what I feel is right.
well my mom chose nutrient dense foods for 1 reason and 1 only...we were poor.
After a while when we weren't...there was a diabetic in the house so that made her choose differently as well so as to not impact him too much...
however we were allowed ice cream in the house, chips ahoy and the odd envelope of tang...but rarely my fav of fruitloops...or anything like that...anythign people would consider "unhealthy"
what impact did it have on us...we meaning all 7 of the kids (save the diabetic) got overweight...some obese..some are getting gastic bypass...why because yup we were told you want it you go buy it..and we did and we ate it all...we ate lots of nutrient dense foods as well...
food is fuel it is not healthy vs unhealthy...it's the amount that is eaten that is unhealthy...allowing for treats in the house can allow for people to learn to moderate..
for example my son at 14 I let him drink reasonable amounts under my supervision...as he grew he learned to moderate and hardly drinks at all now...where as a lot of my family are daily drinkers...even some alcoholics...so yes not allowing for this can have adverse effects.
Okay. There are just as many examples of the opposite reactions.
could be but human nature says you want what you are denied or as kids told is bad...esp if you never get it...or so rarely that it can be counted on 1 hand....
I dunno i want whats easy and in my house. Thats the world we live in. Easy and fast is what we reach for. If kids have all the "bad" foods within easy reach thats what they learn to grab for. Like really what kid is going to pick an apple over a chocolate bar unless thats what they get taught to reach for.
If its not there to grab they wont grab it. Seems pretty simple to me. No ones saying to tell them its bad or they cant have it just not agreeing with having it so easily within reach constantly just because kids like it. Of course they like it, Doesnt mean i HAVE to buy it for them whenever i shop. Id be the adult itd be my job to make good choices.
Again not saying to never have it around but seems like kids would have way less obesity problems if parents would stop buying them everything they want and teach them to reach for healthy snacks.
Can argue both extremes it should be all about middle ground i guess. Not smacking chocolate bars our of kids hands and shoving an orange in it. But teaching kids to reach for the healthier versions and to consider the lesser healthy options either a special occasion or something to work for i cant see how that can be argued against- Seeing how most of us on here have struggled with weight issues why would we teach our kids to be the same way?
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JaydedMiss wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
When people don't understand that removing junk food from a diet is a huge benefit and not a punishment it always makes me raise a concerned look.
If a person or family eats a primarily nutrient dense diet, but has things like oreos or cheezits in the pantry available for consumption in moderation, what benefits would that family or person see if they no longer consume an oreo or two after dinner? Telling the family that those things will no longer be in the house, because one person has difficulty moderating them or has chosen to cut them out in favor of other food choices, you don't think that would be seen as a negative and unnecessary consequence for other family members?
While I agree that having an occasional treat of not-so-healthy food is not detrimental to health, I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's a negative consequence to not have it. Unless they live in a bubble or some type of commune away from general society, kids are going to eat junk food. Not having it in the house isn't going to stop that.
But, not having it in the house might make them see that as the norm. Then again, it might not. Hard to judge something like that but every parent should do what they feel is right, even if it differs from what I feel is right.
well my mom chose nutrient dense foods for 1 reason and 1 only...we were poor.
After a while when we weren't...there was a diabetic in the house so that made her choose differently as well so as to not impact him too much...
however we were allowed ice cream in the house, chips ahoy and the odd envelope of tang...but rarely my fav of fruitloops...or anything like that...anythign people would consider "unhealthy"
what impact did it have on us...we meaning all 7 of the kids (save the diabetic) got overweight...some obese..some are getting gastic bypass...why because yup we were told you want it you go buy it..and we did and we ate it all...we ate lots of nutrient dense foods as well...
food is fuel it is not healthy vs unhealthy...it's the amount that is eaten that is unhealthy...allowing for treats in the house can allow for people to learn to moderate..
for example my son at 14 I let him drink reasonable amounts under my supervision...as he grew he learned to moderate and hardly drinks at all now...where as a lot of my family are daily drinkers...even some alcoholics...so yes not allowing for this can have adverse effects.
Okay. There are just as many examples of the opposite reactions.
could be but human nature says you want what you are denied or as kids told is bad...esp if you never get it...or so rarely that it can be counted on 1 hand....
If its not there to grab they wont grab it. Seems pretty simple to me. No ones saying to tell them its bad or they cant have it just not agreeing with having it so easily within reach constantly just because kids like it. Of course they like it, Doesnt mean i HAVE to buy it for them whenever i shop. Id be the adult itd be my job to make good choices.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
When people don't understand that removing junk food from a diet is a huge benefit and not a punishment it always makes me raise a concerned look.
If a person or family eats a primarily nutrient dense diet, but has things like oreos or cheezits in the pantry available for consumption in moderation, what benefits would that family or person see if they no longer consume an oreo or two after dinner? Telling the family that those things will no longer be in the house, because one person has difficulty moderating them or has chosen to cut them out in favor of other food choices, you don't think that would be seen as a negative and unnecessary consequence for other family members?
While I agree that having an occasional treat of not-so-healthy food is not detrimental to health, I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's a negative consequence to not have it. Unless they live in a bubble or some type of commune away from general society, kids are going to eat junk food. Not having it in the house isn't going to stop that.
But, not having it in the house might make them see that as the norm. Then again, it might not. Hard to judge something like that but every parent should do what they feel is right, even if it differs from what I feel is right.
well my mom chose nutrient dense foods for 1 reason and 1 only...we were poor.
After a while when we weren't...there was a diabetic in the house so that made her choose differently as well so as to not impact him too much...
however we were allowed ice cream in the house, chips ahoy and the odd envelope of tang...but rarely my fav of fruitloops...or anything like that...anythign people would consider "unhealthy"
what impact did it have on us...we meaning all 7 of the kids (save the diabetic) got overweight...some obese..some are getting gastic bypass...why because yup we were told you want it you go buy it..and we did and we ate it all...we ate lots of nutrient dense foods as well...
food is fuel it is not healthy vs unhealthy...it's the amount that is eaten that is unhealthy...allowing for treats in the house can allow for people to learn to moderate..
for example my son at 14 I let him drink reasonable amounts under my supervision...as he grew he learned to moderate and hardly drinks at all now...where as a lot of my family are daily drinkers...even some alcoholics...so yes not allowing for this can have adverse effects.
Okay. There are just as many examples of the opposite reactions.
could be but human nature says you want what you are denied or as kids told is bad...esp if you never get it...or so rarely that it can be counted on 1 hand....
Does it? Maybe so. I suppose it would depend more on the attitude presented by the parent. And the child. But it's far from an absolute, and still no reason to jump all over someone else's parenting choices.
this isn't about the kids it's about the adults living there too...
I always find it so funny people automatically go to the "judging someone else's parenting choices" and often forget that there is another parent...another adult
and if I were judging parenting choices so be it...if you don't want judged don't publish them on an open forum open for scrutiny.
*note I am only referencing the adults in the house not the kids people can raise their kids how they want and the state/province deems acceptable.0 -
magster4isu wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
When people don't understand that removing junk food from a diet is a huge benefit and not a punishment it always makes me raise a concerned look.
If a person or family eats a primarily nutrient dense diet, but has things like oreos or cheezits in the pantry available for consumption in moderation, what benefits would that family or person see if they no longer consume an oreo or two after dinner? Telling the family that those things will no longer be in the house, because one person has difficulty moderating them or has chosen to cut them out in favor of other food choices, you don't think that would be seen as a negative and unnecessary consequence for other family members?
While I agree that having an occasional treat of not-so-healthy food is not detrimental to health, I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's a negative consequence to not have it. Unless they live in a bubble or some type of commune away from general society, kids are going to eat junk food. Not having it in the house isn't going to stop that.
But, not having it in the house might make them see that as the norm. Then again, it might not. Hard to judge something like that but every parent should do what they feel is right, even if it differs from what I feel is right.
well my mom chose nutrient dense foods for 1 reason and 1 only...we were poor.
After a while when we weren't...there was a diabetic in the house so that made her choose differently as well so as to not impact him too much...
however we were allowed ice cream in the house, chips ahoy and the odd envelope of tang...but rarely my fav of fruitloops...or anything like that...anythign people would consider "unhealthy"
what impact did it have on us...we meaning all 7 of the kids (save the diabetic) got overweight...some obese..some are getting gastic bypass...why because yup we were told you want it you go buy it..and we did and we ate it all...we ate lots of nutrient dense foods as well...
food is fuel it is not healthy vs unhealthy...it's the amount that is eaten that is unhealthy...allowing for treats in the house can allow for people to learn to moderate..
for example my son at 14 I let him drink reasonable amounts under my supervision...as he grew he learned to moderate and hardly drinks at all now...where as a lot of my family are daily drinkers...even some alcoholics...so yes not allowing for this can have adverse effects.
Okay. There are just as many examples of the opposite reactions.
could be but human nature says you want what you are denied or as kids told is bad...esp if you never get it...or so rarely that it can be counted on 1 hand....
Human nature also says that if you are continually fed those calorie dense foods it becomes a habit. The point I think most people are trying to make is that these foods do not need to be in the house all the time. It is okay to have them occasionally and in moderation.
so is it calorie dense or is it unhealthy that you don't like? because it was about healthy not weight at first.0 -
JaydedMiss wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
When people don't understand that removing junk food from a diet is a huge benefit and not a punishment it always makes me raise a concerned look.
If a person or family eats a primarily nutrient dense diet, but has things like oreos or cheezits in the pantry available for consumption in moderation, what benefits would that family or person see if they no longer consume an oreo or two after dinner? Telling the family that those things will no longer be in the house, because one person has difficulty moderating them or has chosen to cut them out in favor of other food choices, you don't think that would be seen as a negative and unnecessary consequence for other family members?
While I agree that having an occasional treat of not-so-healthy food is not detrimental to health, I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's a negative consequence to not have it. Unless they live in a bubble or some type of commune away from general society, kids are going to eat junk food. Not having it in the house isn't going to stop that.
But, not having it in the house might make them see that as the norm. Then again, it might not. Hard to judge something like that but every parent should do what they feel is right, even if it differs from what I feel is right.
well my mom chose nutrient dense foods for 1 reason and 1 only...we were poor.
After a while when we weren't...there was a diabetic in the house so that made her choose differently as well so as to not impact him too much...
however we were allowed ice cream in the house, chips ahoy and the odd envelope of tang...but rarely my fav of fruitloops...or anything like that...anythign people would consider "unhealthy"
what impact did it have on us...we meaning all 7 of the kids (save the diabetic) got overweight...some obese..some are getting gastic bypass...why because yup we were told you want it you go buy it..and we did and we ate it all...we ate lots of nutrient dense foods as well...
food is fuel it is not healthy vs unhealthy...it's the amount that is eaten that is unhealthy...allowing for treats in the house can allow for people to learn to moderate..
for example my son at 14 I let him drink reasonable amounts under my supervision...as he grew he learned to moderate and hardly drinks at all now...where as a lot of my family are daily drinkers...even some alcoholics...so yes not allowing for this can have adverse effects.
Okay. There are just as many examples of the opposite reactions.
could be but human nature says you want what you are denied or as kids told is bad...esp if you never get it...or so rarely that it can be counted on 1 hand....
I dunno i want whats easy and in my house. Thats the world we live in. Easy and fast is what we reach for. If kids have all the "bad" foods within easy reach thats what they learn to grab for. Like really what kid is going to pick an apple over a chocolate bar unless thats what they get taught to reach for.
If its not there to grab they wont grab it. Seems pretty simple to me. No ones saying to tell them its bad or they cant have it just not agreeing with having it so easily within reach constantly just because kids like it. Of course they like it, Doesnt mean i HAVE to buy it for them whenever i shop. Id be the adult itd be my job to make good choices.
Again not saying to never have it around but seems like kids would have way less obesity problems if parents would stop buying them everything they want and teach them to reach for healthy snacks.
Can argue both extremes it should be all about middle ground i guess. Not smacking chocolate bars our of kids hands and shoving an orange in it. But teaching kids to reach for the healthier versions and to consider the lesser healthy options either a special occasion or something to work for i cant see how that can be argued against- Seeing how most of us on here have struggled with weight issues why would we teach our kids to be the same way?
just so it's crystal clear we aren't talking about kids... we are talking about adults....
if my husband wants oreos in the house all the time guess what he gets oreo's in the house all the time...it's not for me to tell him no nor is it for me to tell him I won't buy them he can do it himself...he works damn hard and if I am at the store I will buy the oreos or anything else he wants at the grocery store...
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
When people don't understand that removing junk food from a diet is a huge benefit and not a punishment it always makes me raise a concerned look.
If a person or family eats a primarily nutrient dense diet, but has things like oreos or cheezits in the pantry available for consumption in moderation, what benefits would that family or person see if they no longer consume an oreo or two after dinner? Telling the family that those things will no longer be in the house, because one person has difficulty moderating them or has chosen to cut them out in favor of other food choices, you don't think that would be seen as a negative and unnecessary consequence for other family members?
While I agree that having an occasional treat of not-so-healthy food is not detrimental to health, I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's a negative consequence to not have it. Unless they live in a bubble or some type of commune away from general society, kids are going to eat junk food. Not having it in the house isn't going to stop that.
But, not having it in the house might make them see that as the norm. Then again, it might not. Hard to judge something like that but every parent should do what they feel is right, even if it differs from what I feel is right.
well my mom chose nutrient dense foods for 1 reason and 1 only...we were poor.
After a while when we weren't...there was a diabetic in the house so that made her choose differently as well so as to not impact him too much...
however we were allowed ice cream in the house, chips ahoy and the odd envelope of tang...but rarely my fav of fruitloops...or anything like that...anythign people would consider "unhealthy"
what impact did it have on us...we meaning all 7 of the kids (save the diabetic) got overweight...some obese..some are getting gastic bypass...why because yup we were told you want it you go buy it..and we did and we ate it all...we ate lots of nutrient dense foods as well...
food is fuel it is not healthy vs unhealthy...it's the amount that is eaten that is unhealthy...allowing for treats in the house can allow for people to learn to moderate..
for example my son at 14 I let him drink reasonable amounts under my supervision...as he grew he learned to moderate and hardly drinks at all now...where as a lot of my family are daily drinkers...even some alcoholics...so yes not allowing for this can have adverse effects.
Okay. There are just as many examples of the opposite reactions.
could be but human nature says you want what you are denied or as kids told is bad...esp if you never get it...or so rarely that it can be counted on 1 hand....
Does it? Maybe so. I suppose it would depend more on the attitude presented by the parent. And the child. But it's far from an absolute, and still no reason to jump all over someone else's parenting choices.
this isn't about the kids it's about the adults living there too...
I always find it so funny people automatically go to the "judging someone else's parenting choices" and often forget that there is another parent...another adult
and if I were judging parenting choices so be it...if you don't want judged don't publish them on an open forum open for scrutiny.
*note I am only referencing the adults in the house not the kids people can raise their kids how they want and the state/province deems acceptable.
Are these mentally challenged adults? If not, they can fight their own battles IMO.4 -
magster4isu wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
When people don't understand that removing junk food from a diet is a huge benefit and not a punishment it always makes me raise a concerned look.
If a person or family eats a primarily nutrient dense diet, but has things like oreos or cheezits in the pantry available for consumption in moderation, what benefits would that family or person see if they no longer consume an oreo or two after dinner? Telling the family that those things will no longer be in the house, because one person has difficulty moderating them or has chosen to cut them out in favor of other food choices, you don't think that would be seen as a negative and unnecessary consequence for other family members?
While I agree that having an occasional treat of not-so-healthy food is not detrimental to health, I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's a negative consequence to not have it. Unless they live in a bubble or some type of commune away from general society, kids are going to eat junk food. Not having it in the house isn't going to stop that.
But, not having it in the house might make them see that as the norm. Then again, it might not. Hard to judge something like that but every parent should do what they feel is right, even if it differs from what I feel is right.
well my mom chose nutrient dense foods for 1 reason and 1 only...we were poor.
After a while when we weren't...there was a diabetic in the house so that made her choose differently as well so as to not impact him too much...
however we were allowed ice cream in the house, chips ahoy and the odd envelope of tang...but rarely my fav of fruitloops...or anything like that...anythign people would consider "unhealthy"
what impact did it have on us...we meaning all 7 of the kids (save the diabetic) got overweight...some obese..some are getting gastic bypass...why because yup we were told you want it you go buy it..and we did and we ate it all...we ate lots of nutrient dense foods as well...
food is fuel it is not healthy vs unhealthy...it's the amount that is eaten that is unhealthy...allowing for treats in the house can allow for people to learn to moderate..
for example my son at 14 I let him drink reasonable amounts under my supervision...as he grew he learned to moderate and hardly drinks at all now...where as a lot of my family are daily drinkers...even some alcoholics...so yes not allowing for this can have adverse effects.
Okay. There are just as many examples of the opposite reactions.
could be but human nature says you want what you are denied or as kids told is bad...esp if you never get it...or so rarely that it can be counted on 1 hand....
Human nature also says that if you are continually fed those calorie dense foods it becomes a habit. The point I think most people are trying to make is that these foods do not need to be in the house all the time. It is okay to have them occasionally and in moderation.
so is it calorie dense or is it unhealthy that you don't like? because it was about healthy not weight at first.
I have nothing against calorie dense foods...in moderation. I think it's safe to say that most people don't like to be unhealthy. I also think it depends on your definition of "unhealthy". In my opinion eating too many calorie dense foods is unhealthy. Having those calorie dense foods in moderation can be a part of a healthy lifestyle. When I made my first comment I stated that I was not dieting but changing to a healthy lifestyle, therefore I am not forcing my family to diet.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Your family should not be forced to diet with you- it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished.
No but if a family has a shred of compassion for the one dieting they would support them and not blame them...
I didn't see mention of blame.
Support <>giving up the stuff they want/love
"it's no one's fault but your own if you sit there and eat an entire bag of chips or sleeve of cookies. Just because you have no self control doesn't mean your partner/kids should get punished..."
Really?
When people don't understand that removing junk food from a diet is a huge benefit and not a punishment it always makes me raise a concerned look.
If a person or family eats a primarily nutrient dense diet, but has things like oreos or cheezits in the pantry available for consumption in moderation, what benefits would that family or person see if they no longer consume an oreo or two after dinner? Telling the family that those things will no longer be in the house, because one person has difficulty moderating them or has chosen to cut them out in favor of other food choices, you don't think that would be seen as a negative and unnecessary consequence for other family members?
While I agree that having an occasional treat of not-so-healthy food is not detrimental to health, I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's a negative consequence to not have it. Unless they live in a bubble or some type of commune away from general society, kids are going to eat junk food. Not having it in the house isn't going to stop that.
But, not having it in the house might make them see that as the norm. Then again, it might not. Hard to judge something like that but every parent should do what they feel is right, even if it differs from what I feel is right.
well my mom chose nutrient dense foods for 1 reason and 1 only...we were poor.
After a while when we weren't...there was a diabetic in the house so that made her choose differently as well so as to not impact him too much...
however we were allowed ice cream in the house, chips ahoy and the odd envelope of tang...but rarely my fav of fruitloops...or anything like that...anythign people would consider "unhealthy"
what impact did it have on us...we meaning all 7 of the kids (save the diabetic) got overweight...some obese..some are getting gastic bypass...why because yup we were told you want it you go buy it..and we did and we ate it all...we ate lots of nutrient dense foods as well...
food is fuel it is not healthy vs unhealthy...it's the amount that is eaten that is unhealthy...allowing for treats in the house can allow for people to learn to moderate..
for example my son at 14 I let him drink reasonable amounts under my supervision...as he grew he learned to moderate and hardly drinks at all now...where as a lot of my family are daily drinkers...even some alcoholics...so yes not allowing for this can have adverse effects.
Okay. There are just as many examples of the opposite reactions.
could be but human nature says you want what you are denied or as kids told is bad...esp if you never get it...or so rarely that it can be counted on 1 hand....
Does it? Maybe so. I suppose it would depend more on the attitude presented by the parent. And the child. But it's far from an absolute, and still no reason to jump all over someone else's parenting choices.
this isn't about the kids it's about the adults living there too...
I always find it so funny people automatically go to the "judging someone else's parenting choices" and often forget that there is another parent...another adult
and if I were judging parenting choices so be it...if you don't want judged don't publish them on an open forum open for scrutiny.
*note I am only referencing the adults in the house not the kids people can raise their kids how they want and the state/province deems acceptable.
Are these mentally challenged adults? If not, they can fight their own battles IMO.
smh...so the next time someone complains my spouse isn't supporting me I expect to see you saying "fight your own battle"...2
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