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826_Midazaslam wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you obviously haven't hit menopause yet.
Menopause or not, you still will lose weight if you eat 1500 calories, and burn 2000 calories.
Perhaps. You will lose fat. But not necessarily weight. Menopause plays all kinds of fun games with your hormones.
You sure as hell ain't going to gain muscle. Perhaps retaining fluid that would make it seem like you aren't losing. I promise you, if you're losing fat, you're losing weight. Unless your bones start abnormally growing or something. There's only so many substances you can lose/gain in your body.
I'll be indelicate and mention one. For many women, the digestive, ah, elimination slows down as well, despite all water and fiber and what not. This causes you to retain more... digestive waste. Yes, there is a limit to this, it doesn't keep climbing, but it's one of the many frustrations and it makes your stomach stick out more also. All the little, lousy things work together into a Big Lousy.2 -
stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »Mansplaining isn't a thing. Just because a man can't experience something personally, doesn't mean he doesn't know anything about it.
... And before you say 'I' am mansplaining, if you are still deludedly adament that I am, the same can in turn be applied to women. You don't know what men are experiencing, so don't 'womansplain'... Oh wait, does that sound ridiculous?
If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter (incorrectly) telling me how their car works when I'm a certified automotive technician and automotive parts person with over 17 years of experience in the industry? If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter arguing with me when they have come to the dealership to tap my knowledge and experience? (Like the tardball I just got off the phone with insisting that a wire is run directly from the battery to his 7-pin hitch connector only moments ago). If mansplaining is not a thing, why are there men at my parts counter who do not believe me when I tell them something but have no trouble believing any one of the men I work with when they say the exact same thing as I just did?
How about you GTFOH with your "mansplaining is not a thing" garbage?
It's entirely possible that it has to do with where you're standing and how you're dressed vs your gender.
Please do tell me what better place I could be standing than behind the parts counter and directly in front of the professional accreditation indicating that I'm qualified to dispense the knowledge I have? Please also tell me what better way I can be dressed than in my work uniform with a name tag identifying me as the person belonging to said professional accreditation? While you're at it, please explain exactly how what I'm wearing or where I'm standing has any effect on the people I'm talking to over the phone?
Really, just stop trying to explain away my life's experience. These are not isolated incidents that happened only once on a fluke or because someone made a simple mistake. This is years and years of my life--17 years I've worked in this industry, 18 as of August. If you're truly interested in learning the reality of women working in a male-dominated industry, add me a as a friend and we can long, detailed conversations for as long as you like in which I will relate to you the ways that I am diminished for being a woman over and over and over. In the meantime, you dissemblers need to understand that discounting my ability to recognize errors made by kind people versus when people are not nice is incredibly rude.
CSARdriver, I really like your post and I totally agree with it. I am a strong person and I don't require outside validation from any of the people I encounter on a daily basis, which is why I can be happy coming to this job day in and day out. Just because I am confident in my knowledge and abilities and don't let anyone else's ignorance drag me down, however, does not mean that these things do not occur.
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born_of_fire74 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »Mansplaining isn't a thing. Just because a man can't experience something personally, doesn't mean he doesn't know anything about it.
... And before you say 'I' am mansplaining, if you are still deludedly adament that I am, the same can in turn be applied to women. You don't know what men are experiencing, so don't 'womansplain'... Oh wait, does that sound ridiculous?
If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter (incorrectly) telling me how their car works when I'm a certified automotive technician and automotive parts person with over 17 years of experience in the industry? If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter arguing with me when they have come to the dealership to tap my knowledge and experience? (Like the tardball I just got off the phone with insisting that a wire is run directly from the battery to his 7-pin hitch connector only moments ago). If mansplaining is not a thing, why are there men at my parts counter who do not believe me when I tell them something but have no trouble believing any one of the men I work with when they say the exact same thing as I just did?
How about you GTFOH with your "mansplaining is not a thing" garbage?
It's entirely possible that it has to do with where you're standing and how you're dressed vs your gender.
Please do tell me what better place I could be standing than behind the parts counter and directly in front of the professional accreditation indicating that I'm qualified to dispense the knowledge I have? Please also tell me what better way I can be dressed than in my work uniform with a name tag identifying me as the person belonging to said professional accreditation? While you're at it, please explain exactly how what I'm wearing or where I'm standing has any effect on the people I'm talking to over the phone?
Lets see "work uniform" white shirt. tan or dark khaki slacks. That's a salesperson uniform not a technician uniform.
Technicians wear jump suits or coveralls.
Ditto for talking on the phone.... that's what a salesperson does, not a technician.born_of_fire74 wrote: »Really, just stop trying to explain away my life's experience. These are not isolated incidents that happened only once on a fluke or because someone made a simple mistake. This is years and years of my life--17 years I've worked in this industry, 18 as of August. If you're truly interested in learning the reality of women working in a male-dominated industry, add me a as a friend and we can long, detailed conversations for as long as you like in which I will relate to you the ways that I am diminished for being a woman over and over and over. In the meantime, you dissemblers need to understand that discounting my ability to recognize errors made by kind people versus when people are not nice is incredibly rude.
CSARdriver, I really like your post and I totally agree with it. I am a strong person and I don't require outside validation from any of the people I encounter on a daily basis, which is why I can be happy coming to this job day in and day out. Just because I am confident in my knowledge and abilities and don't let anyone else's ignorance drag me down, however, does not mean that these things do not occur.
For an allegedly strong person you're really wallowing in your pity party. Life is hard all over. Press on, or complain.
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stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »Mansplaining isn't a thing. Just because a man can't experience something personally, doesn't mean he doesn't know anything about it.
... And before you say 'I' am mansplaining, if you are still deludedly adament that I am, the same can in turn be applied to women. You don't know what men are experiencing, so don't 'womansplain'... Oh wait, does that sound ridiculous?
If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter (incorrectly) telling me how their car works when I'm a certified automotive technician and automotive parts person with over 17 years of experience in the industry? If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter arguing with me when they have come to the dealership to tap my knowledge and experience? (Like the tardball I just got off the phone with insisting that a wire is run directly from the battery to his 7-pin hitch connector only moments ago). If mansplaining is not a thing, why are there men at my parts counter who do not believe me when I tell them something but have no trouble believing any one of the men I work with when they say the exact same thing as I just did?
How about you GTFOH with your "mansplaining is not a thing" garbage?
It's entirely possible that it has to do with where you're standing and how you're dressed vs your gender.
Please do tell me what better place I could be standing than behind the parts counter and directly in front of the professional accreditation indicating that I'm qualified to dispense the knowledge I have? Please also tell me what better way I can be dressed than in my work uniform with a name tag identifying me as the person belonging to said professional accreditation? While you're at it, please explain exactly how what I'm wearing or where I'm standing has any effect on the people I'm talking to over the phone?
Lets see "work uniform" white shirt. tan or dark khaki slacks. That's a salesperson uniform not a technician uniform.
Technicians wear jump suits or coveralls.
Ditto for talking on the phone.... that's what a salesperson does, not a technician.born_of_fire74 wrote: »Really, just stop trying to explain away my life's experience. These are not isolated incidents that happened only once on a fluke or because someone made a simple mistake. This is years and years of my life--17 years I've worked in this industry, 18 as of August. If you're truly interested in learning the reality of women working in a male-dominated industry, add me a as a friend and we can long, detailed conversations for as long as you like in which I will relate to you the ways that I am diminished for being a woman over and over and over. In the meantime, you dissemblers need to understand that discounting my ability to recognize errors made by kind people versus when people are not nice is incredibly rude.
CSARdriver, I really like your post and I totally agree with it. I am a strong person and I don't require outside validation from any of the people I encounter on a daily basis, which is why I can be happy coming to this job day in and day out. Just because I am confident in my knowledge and abilities and don't let anyone else's ignorance drag me down, however, does not mean that these things do not occur.
For an allegedly strong person you're really wallowing in your pity party. Life is hard all over. Press on, or complain.
i give to you the biggest heehaw
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stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »Mansplaining isn't a thing. Just because a man can't experience something personally, doesn't mean he doesn't know anything about it.
... And before you say 'I' am mansplaining, if you are still deludedly adament that I am, the same can in turn be applied to women. You don't know what men are experiencing, so don't 'womansplain'... Oh wait, does that sound ridiculous?
If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter (incorrectly) telling me how their car works when I'm a certified automotive technician and automotive parts person with over 17 years of experience in the industry? If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter arguing with me when they have come to the dealership to tap my knowledge and experience? (Like the tardball I just got off the phone with insisting that a wire is run directly from the battery to his 7-pin hitch connector only moments ago). If mansplaining is not a thing, why are there men at my parts counter who do not believe me when I tell them something but have no trouble believing any one of the men I work with when they say the exact same thing as I just did?
How about you GTFOH with your "mansplaining is not a thing" garbage?
It's entirely possible that it has to do with where you're standing and how you're dressed vs your gender.
Please do tell me what better place I could be standing than behind the parts counter and directly in front of the professional accreditation indicating that I'm qualified to dispense the knowledge I have? Please also tell me what better way I can be dressed than in my work uniform with a name tag identifying me as the person belonging to said professional accreditation? While you're at it, please explain exactly how what I'm wearing or where I'm standing has any effect on the people I'm talking to over the phone?
Lets see "work uniform" white shirt. tan or dark khaki slacks. That's a salesperson uniform not a technician uniform.
Technicians wear jump suits or coveralls.
Ditto for talking on the phone.... that's what a salesperson does, not a technician.born_of_fire74 wrote: »Really, just stop trying to explain away my life's experience. These are not isolated incidents that happened only once on a fluke or because someone made a simple mistake. This is years and years of my life--17 years I've worked in this industry, 18 as of August. If you're truly interested in learning the reality of women working in a male-dominated industry, add me a as a friend and we can long, detailed conversations for as long as you like in which I will relate to you the ways that I am diminished for being a woman over and over and over. In the meantime, you dissemblers need to understand that discounting my ability to recognize errors made by kind people versus when people are not nice is incredibly rude.
CSARdriver, I really like your post and I totally agree with it. I am a strong person and I don't require outside validation from any of the people I encounter on a daily basis, which is why I can be happy coming to this job day in and day out. Just because I am confident in my knowledge and abilities and don't let anyone else's ignorance drag me down, however, does not mean that these things do not occur.
For an allegedly strong person you're really wallowing in your pity party. Life is hard all over. Press on, or complain.
Stating facts is not a pity party. Nor is it complaining.
You are talking about experiences of which you have no knowledge and telling me, the person with the experience, that I don't know what I'm talking about. You have no idea what my work uniform looks like and have completely discounted the fact that I wear a name tag. You do not understand the job that I do even as you attempt to tell me how I am deficient at it. You are dismissing me as overly-emotional and unable to gauge other people's behaviour. This is exactly what mansplaining is.
You were cordially invited to discuss this privately but instead decided to mansplain. Even if the women in your life can stomach this kind of crap from you, I'm through. Good day.
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born_of_fire74 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »Mansplaining isn't a thing. Just because a man can't experience something personally, doesn't mean he doesn't know anything about it.
... And before you say 'I' am mansplaining, if you are still deludedly adament that I am, the same can in turn be applied to women. You don't know what men are experiencing, so don't 'womansplain'... Oh wait, does that sound ridiculous?
If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter (incorrectly) telling me how their car works when I'm a certified automotive technician and automotive parts person with over 17 years of experience in the industry? If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter arguing with me when they have come to the dealership to tap my knowledge and experience? (Like the tardball I just got off the phone with insisting that a wire is run directly from the battery to his 7-pin hitch connector only moments ago). If mansplaining is not a thing, why are there men at my parts counter who do not believe me when I tell them something but have no trouble believing any one of the men I work with when they say the exact same thing as I just did?
How about you GTFOH with your "mansplaining is not a thing" garbage?
It's entirely possible that it has to do with where you're standing and how you're dressed vs your gender.
Please do tell me what better place I could be standing than behind the parts counter and directly in front of the professional accreditation indicating that I'm qualified to dispense the knowledge I have? Please also tell me what better way I can be dressed than in my work uniform with a name tag identifying me as the person belonging to said professional accreditation? While you're at it, please explain exactly how what I'm wearing or where I'm standing has any effect on the people I'm talking to over the phone?
Lets see "work uniform" white shirt. tan or dark khaki slacks. That's a salesperson uniform not a technician uniform.
Technicians wear jump suits or coveralls.
Ditto for talking on the phone.... that's what a salesperson does, not a technician.born_of_fire74 wrote: »Really, just stop trying to explain away my life's experience. These are not isolated incidents that happened only once on a fluke or because someone made a simple mistake. This is years and years of my life--17 years I've worked in this industry, 18 as of August. If you're truly interested in learning the reality of women working in a male-dominated industry, add me a as a friend and we can long, detailed conversations for as long as you like in which I will relate to you the ways that I am diminished for being a woman over and over and over. In the meantime, you dissemblers need to understand that discounting my ability to recognize errors made by kind people versus when people are not nice is incredibly rude.
CSARdriver, I really like your post and I totally agree with it. I am a strong person and I don't require outside validation from any of the people I encounter on a daily basis, which is why I can be happy coming to this job day in and day out. Just because I am confident in my knowledge and abilities and don't let anyone else's ignorance drag me down, however, does not mean that these things do not occur.
For an allegedly strong person you're really wallowing in your pity party. Life is hard all over. Press on, or complain.
Stating facts is not a pity party. Nor is it complaining.
You are talking about experiences of which you have no knowledge and telling me, the person with the experience, that I don't know what I'm talking about. You have no idea what my work uniform looks like and have completely discounted the fact that I wear a name tag. You do not understand the job that I do even as you attempt to tell me how I am deficient at it. You are dismissing me as overly-emotional and unable to gauge other people's behaviour. This is exactly what mansplaining is.
You were cordially invited to discuss this privately but instead decided to mansplain. Even if the women in your life can stomach this kind of crap from you, I'm through. Good day.
By all means, if your "work uniform" isn't a collared shirt and khakis, Say so.
But the fact that you haven't indicates that I hit the nail on the head.
OH, and nobody reads nametags.
And I have no interest in having a private chat.
If you can't effectively articulate and answer my points publicly, then you certainly can't do so privately.5 -
stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »Mansplaining isn't a thing. Just because a man can't experience something personally, doesn't mean he doesn't know anything about it.
... And before you say 'I' am mansplaining, if you are still deludedly adament that I am, the same can in turn be applied to women. You don't know what men are experiencing, so don't 'womansplain'... Oh wait, does that sound ridiculous?
If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter (incorrectly) telling me how their car works when I'm a certified automotive technician and automotive parts person with over 17 years of experience in the industry? If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter arguing with me when they have come to the dealership to tap my knowledge and experience? (Like the tardball I just got off the phone with insisting that a wire is run directly from the battery to his 7-pin hitch connector only moments ago). If mansplaining is not a thing, why are there men at my parts counter who do not believe me when I tell them something but have no trouble believing any one of the men I work with when they say the exact same thing as I just did?
How about you GTFOH with your "mansplaining is not a thing" garbage?
It's entirely possible that it has to do with where you're standing and how you're dressed vs your gender.
Please do tell me what better place I could be standing than behind the parts counter and directly in front of the professional accreditation indicating that I'm qualified to dispense the knowledge I have? Please also tell me what better way I can be dressed than in my work uniform with a name tag identifying me as the person belonging to said professional accreditation? While you're at it, please explain exactly how what I'm wearing or where I'm standing has any effect on the people I'm talking to over the phone?
Lets see "work uniform" white shirt. tan or dark khaki slacks. That's a salesperson uniform not a technician uniform.
Technicians wear jump suits or coveralls.
Ditto for talking on the phone.... that's what a salesperson does, not a technician.born_of_fire74 wrote: »Really, just stop trying to explain away my life's experience. These are not isolated incidents that happened only once on a fluke or because someone made a simple mistake. This is years and years of my life--17 years I've worked in this industry, 18 as of August. If you're truly interested in learning the reality of women working in a male-dominated industry, add me a as a friend and we can long, detailed conversations for as long as you like in which I will relate to you the ways that I am diminished for being a woman over and over and over. In the meantime, you dissemblers need to understand that discounting my ability to recognize errors made by kind people versus when people are not nice is incredibly rude.
CSARdriver, I really like your post and I totally agree with it. I am a strong person and I don't require outside validation from any of the people I encounter on a daily basis, which is why I can be happy coming to this job day in and day out. Just because I am confident in my knowledge and abilities and don't let anyone else's ignorance drag me down, however, does not mean that these things do not occur.
For an allegedly strong person you're really wallowing in your pity party. Life is hard all over. Press on, or complain.
Wait. Are you actually telling someone reasons why they their gender is irrelevant because of what they wear and because they answer a phone. When literally everyone else selling parts will be wearing and doing the same thing?! And not only that, trying to tell her the difference between her job and what you perceive her job to be?
Oy vey.
But yeah. No mansplaining here. Not a thing. Move along.46 -
VintageFeline wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »Mansplaining isn't a thing. Just because a man can't experience something personally, doesn't mean he doesn't know anything about it.
... And before you say 'I' am mansplaining, if you are still deludedly adament that I am, the same can in turn be applied to women. You don't know what men are experiencing, so don't 'womansplain'... Oh wait, does that sound ridiculous?
If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter (incorrectly) telling me how their car works when I'm a certified automotive technician and automotive parts person with over 17 years of experience in the industry? If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter arguing with me when they have come to the dealership to tap my knowledge and experience? (Like the tardball I just got off the phone with insisting that a wire is run directly from the battery to his 7-pin hitch connector only moments ago). If mansplaining is not a thing, why are there men at my parts counter who do not believe me when I tell them something but have no trouble believing any one of the men I work with when they say the exact same thing as I just did?
How about you GTFOH with your "mansplaining is not a thing" garbage?
It's entirely possible that it has to do with where you're standing and how you're dressed vs your gender.
Please do tell me what better place I could be standing than behind the parts counter and directly in front of the professional accreditation indicating that I'm qualified to dispense the knowledge I have? Please also tell me what better way I can be dressed than in my work uniform with a name tag identifying me as the person belonging to said professional accreditation? While you're at it, please explain exactly how what I'm wearing or where I'm standing has any effect on the people I'm talking to over the phone?
Lets see "work uniform" white shirt. tan or dark khaki slacks. That's a salesperson uniform not a technician uniform.
Technicians wear jump suits or coveralls.
Ditto for talking on the phone.... that's what a salesperson does, not a technician.born_of_fire74 wrote: »Really, just stop trying to explain away my life's experience. These are not isolated incidents that happened only once on a fluke or because someone made a simple mistake. This is years and years of my life--17 years I've worked in this industry, 18 as of August. If you're truly interested in learning the reality of women working in a male-dominated industry, add me a as a friend and we can long, detailed conversations for as long as you like in which I will relate to you the ways that I am diminished for being a woman over and over and over. In the meantime, you dissemblers need to understand that discounting my ability to recognize errors made by kind people versus when people are not nice is incredibly rude.
CSARdriver, I really like your post and I totally agree with it. I am a strong person and I don't require outside validation from any of the people I encounter on a daily basis, which is why I can be happy coming to this job day in and day out. Just because I am confident in my knowledge and abilities and don't let anyone else's ignorance drag me down, however, does not mean that these things do not occur.
For an allegedly strong person you're really wallowing in your pity party. Life is hard all over. Press on, or complain.
Wait. Are you actually telling someone reasons why they their gender is irrelevant because of what they wear and because they answer a phone. When literally everyone else selling parts will be wearing and doing the same thing?! And not only that, trying to tell her the difference between her job and what you perceive her job to be?
Oy vey.
But yeah. No mansplaining here. Not a thing. Move along.
I'm sorry reality doesn't agree with you.
But a parts salesperson is not a technician. A well informed, educated, certified salesperson is still just a salesperson. Gender is irrelevant.9 -
born_of_fire74 wrote: »Mansplaining isn't a thing. Just because a man can't experience something personally, doesn't mean he doesn't know anything about it.
... And before you say 'I' am mansplaining, if you are still deludedly adament that I am, the same can in turn be applied to women. You don't know what men are experiencing, so don't 'womansplain'... Oh wait, does that sound ridiculous?
If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter (incorrectly) telling me how their car works when I'm a certified automotive technician and automotive parts person with over 17 years of experience in the industry? If illakso domansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter arguing with me when they have come to the dealership to tap my knowledge and experience? (Like the tardball I just got off the phone with insisting that a wire is run directly from the battery to his 7-pin hitch connector only moments ago). If mansplaining is not a thing, why are there men at my parts counter who do not believe me when I tell them something but have no trouble believing any one of the men I work with when they say the exact same thing as I just did?
How about you GTFOH with your "mansplaining is not a thing" garbage?
I would 'awesome' and 'insightful' this times six if I could.
Nice guys: Pay attention around you. There are men (a.k.a. arrogant jerks) around you who do this to woman experts who would not do it to you, even if you're an innocent amateur. Some of them will also do it to other men they implicitly perceive as down-status: Men of color, men who are not native born or for whom their (fluent, yet accented) English is not their first language, even men with certain regional accents in some cases. (P.S. This is why I don't use the term "mansplaining" other than in extreme jest: It's really about implicitly perceived general power, knowedge, dominance. Gender is just one case.)
You're a Good Guy. Don't concede to facile assumptions that others are nice like you. Notice. Counter.
The problem with this is that by using such a prejudicial term you have lumped all men - good and bad together, so we now hang based on the lowest common denominator.
This doesn't further the discussion or resolve the issue. Call out the individual for bad behavior.9 -
stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »Mansplaining isn't a thing. Just because a man can't experience something personally, doesn't mean he doesn't know anything about it.
... And before you say 'I' am mansplaining, if you are still deludedly adament that I am, the same can in turn be applied to women. You don't know what men are experiencing, so don't 'womansplain'... Oh wait, does that sound ridiculous?
If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter (incorrectly) telling me how their car works when I'm a certified automotive technician and automotive parts person with over 17 years of experience in the industry? If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter arguing with me when they have come to the dealership to tap my knowledge and experience? (Like the tardball I just got off the phone with insisting that a wire is run directly from the battery to his 7-pin hitch connector only moments ago). If mansplaining is not a thing, why are there men at my parts counter who do not believe me when I tell them something but have no trouble believing any one of the men I work with when they say the exact same thing as I just did?
How about you GTFOH with your "mansplaining is not a thing" garbage?
It's entirely possible that it has to do with where you're standing and how you're dressed vs your gender.
Please do tell me what better place I could be standing than behind the parts counter and directly in front of the professional accreditation indicating that I'm qualified to dispense the knowledge I have? Please also tell me what better way I can be dressed than in my work uniform with a name tag identifying me as the person belonging to said professional accreditation? While you're at it, please explain exactly how what I'm wearing or where I'm standing has any effect on the people I'm talking to over the phone?
Lets see "work uniform" white shirt. tan or dark khaki slacks. That's a salesperson uniform not a technician uniform.
Technicians wear jump suits or coveralls.
Ditto for talking on the phone.... that's what a salesperson does, not a technician.born_of_fire74 wrote: »Really, just stop trying to explain away my life's experience. These are not isolated incidents that happened only once on a fluke or because someone made a simple mistake. This is years and years of my life--17 years I've worked in this industry, 18 as of August. If you're truly interested in learning the reality of women working in a male-dominated industry, add me a as a friend and we can long, detailed conversations for as long as you like in which I will relate to you the ways that I am diminished for being a woman over and over and over. In the meantime, you dissemblers need to understand that discounting my ability to recognize errors made by kind people versus when people are not nice is incredibly rude.
CSARdriver, I really like your post and I totally agree with it. I am a strong person and I don't require outside validation from any of the people I encounter on a daily basis, which is why I can be happy coming to this job day in and day out. Just because I am confident in my knowledge and abilities and don't let anyone else's ignorance drag me down, however, does not mean that these things do not occur.
For an allegedly strong person you're really wallowing in your pity party. Life is hard all over. Press on, or complain.
Wait. Are you actually telling someone reasons why they their gender is irrelevant because of what they wear and because they answer a phone. When literally everyone else selling parts will be wearing and doing the same thing?! And not only that, trying to tell her the difference between her job and what you perceive her job to be?
Oy vey.
But yeah. No mansplaining here. Not a thing. Move along.
I'm sorry reality doesn't agree with you.
But a parts salesperson is not a technician. A well informed, educated, certified salesperson is still just a salesperson. Gender is irrelevant.
But if her job is literally the same as the person next to her with the same qualifications only they are male. Then why is it her fault she's talked down to?16 -
The government where I live disagrees with the mansplainer. Parts technicians are in fact parts technicians, as my professional accreditation shows. But what do I know? I'm just the person who went to school to get the accreditation.21
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born_of_fire74 wrote: »The government where I live disagrees with the mansplainer. Parts technicians are in fact parts technicians, as my professional accreditation shows.
I'm sorry you're having to justify that you actually, you know, do the job that you do. I've had situations where I've been introduced as the subject matter expert on a certain issue and still had someone go around me to ask a male co-worker (who is an expert in something else) to fix a problem. Fortunately, the guys I work with are aware that there is a tendency for this to happen and they always refer back to me.
It's absolutely real, it's just that not everyone sees it (or is willing to accept it).21 -
VintageFeline wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »Mansplaining isn't a thing. Just because a man can't experience something personally, doesn't mean he doesn't know anything about it.
... And before you say 'I' am mansplaining, if you are still deludedly adament that I am, the same can in turn be applied to women. You don't know what men are experiencing, so don't 'womansplain'... Oh wait, does that sound ridiculous?
If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter (incorrectly) telling me how their car works when I'm a certified automotive technician and automotive parts person with over 17 years of experience in the industry? If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter arguing with me when they have come to the dealership to tap my knowledge and experience? (Like the tardball I just got off the phone with insisting that a wire is run directly from the battery to his 7-pin hitch connector only moments ago). If mansplaining is not a thing, why are there men at my parts counter who do not believe me when I tell them something but have no trouble believing any one of the men I work with when they say the exact same thing as I just did?
How about you GTFOH with your "mansplaining is not a thing" garbage?
It's entirely possible that it has to do with where you're standing and how you're dressed vs your gender.
Please do tell me what better place I could be standing than behind the parts counter and directly in front of the professional accreditation indicating that I'm qualified to dispense the knowledge I have? Please also tell me what better way I can be dressed than in my work uniform with a name tag identifying me as the person belonging to said professional accreditation? While you're at it, please explain exactly how what I'm wearing or where I'm standing has any effect on the people I'm talking to over the phone?
Lets see "work uniform" white shirt. tan or dark khaki slacks. That's a salesperson uniform not a technician uniform.
Technicians wear jump suits or coveralls.
Ditto for talking on the phone.... that's what a salesperson does, not a technician.born_of_fire74 wrote: »Really, just stop trying to explain away my life's experience. These are not isolated incidents that happened only once on a fluke or because someone made a simple mistake. This is years and years of my life--17 years I've worked in this industry, 18 as of August. If you're truly interested in learning the reality of women working in a male-dominated industry, add me a as a friend and we can long, detailed conversations for as long as you like in which I will relate to you the ways that I am diminished for being a woman over and over and over. In the meantime, you dissemblers need to understand that discounting my ability to recognize errors made by kind people versus when people are not nice is incredibly rude.
CSARdriver, I really like your post and I totally agree with it. I am a strong person and I don't require outside validation from any of the people I encounter on a daily basis, which is why I can be happy coming to this job day in and day out. Just because I am confident in my knowledge and abilities and don't let anyone else's ignorance drag me down, however, does not mean that these things do not occur.
For an allegedly strong person you're really wallowing in your pity party. Life is hard all over. Press on, or complain.
Wait. Are you actually telling someone reasons why they their gender is irrelevant because of what they wear and because they answer a phone. When literally everyone else selling parts will be wearing and doing the same thing?! And not only that, trying to tell her the difference between her job and what you perceive her job to be?
Oy vey.
But yeah. No mansplaining here. Not a thing. Move along.
I'm sorry reality doesn't agree with you.
But a parts salesperson is not a technician. A well informed, educated, certified salesperson is still just a salesperson. Gender is irrelevant.
But if her job is literally the same as the person next to her with the same qualifications only they are male. Then why is it her fault she's talked down to?
its not her fault..it just means that every perceived slight is not "mainsplaining" or some other BS PC term invented to make this or that particular group feel better...13 -
janejellyroll wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »The government where I live disagrees with the mansplainer. Parts technicians are in fact parts technicians, as my professional accreditation shows.
I'm sorry you're having to justify that you actually, you know, do the job that you do. I've had situations where I've been introduced as the subject matter expert on a certain issue and still had someone go around me to ask a male co-worker (who is an expert in something else) to fix a problem. Fortunately, the guys I work with are aware that there is a tendency for this to happen and they always refer back to me.
It's absolutely real, it's just that not everyone sees it (or is willing to accept it).
Meh. Thanks for the support but I am honestly so used to dealing with men like stanmann571that it's pretty much water off my back. Although I do appreciate yours, I don't need his validation and it's rather amusing to incite him to display his ignorance for all to see.
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VintageFeline wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »born_of_fire74 wrote: »Mansplaining isn't a thing. Just because a man can't experience something personally, doesn't mean he doesn't know anything about it.
... And before you say 'I' am mansplaining, if you are still deludedly adament that I am, the same can in turn be applied to women. You don't know what men are experiencing, so don't 'womansplain'... Oh wait, does that sound ridiculous?
If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter (incorrectly) telling me how their car works when I'm a certified automotive technician and automotive parts person with over 17 years of experience in the industry? If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter arguing with me when they have come to the dealership to tap my knowledge and experience? (Like the tardball I just got off the phone with insisting that a wire is run directly from the battery to his 7-pin hitch connector only moments ago). If mansplaining is not a thing, why are there men at my parts counter who do not believe me when I tell them something but have no trouble believing any one of the men I work with when they say the exact same thing as I just did?
How about you GTFOH with your "mansplaining is not a thing" garbage?
It's entirely possible that it has to do with where you're standing and how you're dressed vs your gender.
Please do tell me what better place I could be standing than behind the parts counter and directly in front of the professional accreditation indicating that I'm qualified to dispense the knowledge I have? Please also tell me what better way I can be dressed than in my work uniform with a name tag identifying me as the person belonging to said professional accreditation? While you're at it, please explain exactly how what I'm wearing or where I'm standing has any effect on the people I'm talking to over the phone?
Lets see "work uniform" white shirt. tan or dark khaki slacks. That's a salesperson uniform not a technician uniform.
Technicians wear jump suits or coveralls.
Ditto for talking on the phone.... that's what a salesperson does, not a technician.born_of_fire74 wrote: »Really, just stop trying to explain away my life's experience. These are not isolated incidents that happened only once on a fluke or because someone made a simple mistake. This is years and years of my life--17 years I've worked in this industry, 18 as of August. If you're truly interested in learning the reality of women working in a male-dominated industry, add me a as a friend and we can long, detailed conversations for as long as you like in which I will relate to you the ways that I am diminished for being a woman over and over and over. In the meantime, you dissemblers need to understand that discounting my ability to recognize errors made by kind people versus when people are not nice is incredibly rude.
CSARdriver, I really like your post and I totally agree with it. I am a strong person and I don't require outside validation from any of the people I encounter on a daily basis, which is why I can be happy coming to this job day in and day out. Just because I am confident in my knowledge and abilities and don't let anyone else's ignorance drag me down, however, does not mean that these things do not occur.
For an allegedly strong person you're really wallowing in your pity party. Life is hard all over. Press on, or complain.
Wait. Are you actually telling someone reasons why they their gender is irrelevant because of what they wear and because they answer a phone. When literally everyone else selling parts will be wearing and doing the same thing?! And not only that, trying to tell her the difference between her job and what you perceive her job to be?
Oy vey.
But yeah. No mansplaining here. Not a thing. Move along.
I'm sorry reality doesn't agree with you.
But a parts salesperson is not a technician. A well informed, educated, certified salesperson is still just a salesperson. Gender is irrelevant.
But if her job is literally the same as the person next to her with the same qualifications only they are male. Then why is it her fault she's talked down to?
its not her fault..it just means that every perceived slight is not "mainsplaining" or some other BS PC term invented to make this or that particular group feel better...
Exactly. Life isn't hard because you're special or have a characteristic. It's hard because it's life.
Everyone faces adversity. It's not personal. But when you take it personally. Then life wins and you lose.11 -
I'd love to see how cavalier the "life ain't fair" attitudes displayed in this thread would be to this whole workplace ish if we had a matriarchal society that deferred to women and the gender norms were reversed.25
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'd love to see how cavalier the "life ain't fair" attitudes displayed in this thread would be to this whole workplace ish if we had a matriarchal society that deferred to women and the gender norms were reversed.
Well, you see, the problem isn't the things the mansplainers are doing, the problem is that we are calling the things they are doing "mansplaining".
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born_of_fire74 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'd love to see how cavalier the "life ain't fair" attitudes displayed in this thread would be to this whole workplace ish if we had a matriarchal society that deferred to women and the gender norms were reversed.
Well, you see, the problem isn't the things the mansplainers are doing, the problem is that we are calling the things they are doing "mansplaining".
The problem is you're pretending those things are being done because you're a woman.
They happen to men just as often.8 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'd love to see how cavalier the "life ain't fair" attitudes displayed in this thread would be to this whole workplace ish if we had a matriarchal society that deferred to women and the gender norms were reversed.
Count me in with the 'what's the point of a circumstance-specific name for a condescending *kitten*' folks. I doubt there'd be much change other than the terminology.
Personally, although I'm a woman working in a male-dominated field most of the condescending *kitten* I get is from other women in a non-work setting. I don't find a 'now, now, pathetic moron, let me help you' attitude any more or less appealing from a woman than I do a man.8 -
born_of_fire74 wrote: »Mansplaining isn't a thing. Just because a man can't experience something personally, doesn't mean he doesn't know anything about it.
... And before you say 'I' am mansplaining, if you are still deludedly adament that I am, the same can in turn be applied to women. You don't know what men are experiencing, so don't 'womansplain'... Oh wait, does that sound ridiculous?
If mansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter (incorrectly) telling me how their car works when I'm a certified automotive technician and automotive parts person with over 17 years of experience in the industry? If illakso domansplaining is not a thing, why do I have men at my parts counter arguing with me when they have come to the dealership to tap my knowledge and experience? (Like the tardball I just got off the phone with insisting that a wire is run directly from the battery to his 7-pin hitch connector only moments ago). If mansplaining is not a thing, why are there men at my parts counter who do not believe me when I tell them something but have no trouble believing any one of the men I work with when they say the exact same thing as I just did?
How about you GTFOH with your "mansplaining is not a thing" garbage?
I would 'awesome' and 'insightful' this times six if I could.
Nice guys: Pay attention around you. There are men (a.k.a. arrogant jerks) around you who do this to woman experts who would not do it to you, even if you're an innocent amateur. Some of them will also do it to other men they implicitly perceive as down-status: Men of color, men who are not native born or for whom their (fluent, yet accented) English is not their first language, even men with certain regional accents in some cases. (P.S. This is why I don't use the term "mansplaining" other than in extreme jest: It's really about implicitly perceived general power, knowedge, dominance. Gender is just one case.)
You're a Good Guy. Don't concede to facile assumptions that others are nice like you. Notice. Counter.
The problem with this is that by using such a prejudicial term you have lumped all men - good and bad together, so we now hang based on the lowest common denominator.
This doesn't further the discussion or resolve the issue. Call out the individual for bad behavior.
Just to be clear: I explicitly distanced myself from the "prejudicial term" - assuming you mean "mansplaining". I explained that I think that some men, i.e. a certain subset who are arrogant jerks, do pretty much the same thing to other men they perceive as down-status from them.
I'd equally agree that certain women who are arrogant jerks do the same thing to both men and women they perceive as down-status, but (1) that wasn't what we were discussing, and (2) I think it's somewhat less common a scenario.
This is about as close to calling out individuals as one can get in a broad discussion, I think. I've called individual people out for it in real life - for talking down to others in an arrogant way, based on (frankly) prejudiced assumptions they were making (i.e., not for "mansplaining").
I've asked that decent men who don't treat women in the ways described up-thread please just notice that this stuff actually happens (and, by implication, believe the women who say it does). It's frequent, it's routine. It's because of some people's (some men's) perceptions about women. It's about gender, in these specific cases.
I spent 30 years in IT, starting when there weren't many women. It's happened to me, and the few women around me in that work setting, over, and over, and over -
men talking to less-expert men when I was the expert; men trying to make deals with men whose manager I was when I was present; etc. I'm not someone who sees sexism behind every shrub, whether it's present or not.
It's a thing, whether you have a special prejudicial word for it or not.
Why is this so hard to believe?
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