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stevencloser wrote: »
You don't need much mind/muscle connection to run. It's a natural movement that needs absolutely minimal training if any at all. You're thinking in terms of perfecting how people workout and many people just don't go that deep into it. Lots of great athletes do well with just reaction and pure talent and don't lift weights or anything else.
But not all people lift to make the mind/muscle connection a part of the goal. Some do it just to be active and keep basic strength up. Not all people are looking to increase mass nor have prominent body parts.The whole notion of 'functional strength' and that compound lifts are the be all and end all.
Newb's concentrating on only compound lifts and not doing enough to build whats most important...mind muscle connection.
Dedicating whole workouts to just abs....fkn LOL.
The notion that a calorie is a calorie, no if one causes me to hold more water then they're not equal when it comes to my goals...which leads me to another...
Water has just as much as a detrimental effect on the appearance of a physique than fat.
The stigma attached to PED's...yet it's socially acceptable to take something that literally disables you (alcohol). People wasting time chasing ever dwindling results when they could transform their life, yet they're too scared of the social stigma to do what should be seen as normal.
People being too reliant on what hey read rather than walking the walk. I will nearly always put more value on the advice of someone who's actually where I want to be, than some skinny fat MFPer clutching a science paper.
I don't do "accessory" lifts...waste of time IMO...what's the point they don't help me achieve my goals...notice how that can be turned around using your logic
Calories are a unit of measure and if a carb impacts "YOUR" goal that's one thing but for the majority of people it is a fact...and a calorie is just that...a calorie...but not sure that this is "unpopular" just debated a lot...
PED's are a personal choice IMO...if you want to pump your body full of those things go ahead...but they are just as dangerous when abused as any other drug...including alcohol...again not that unpopular just those who want to use them vs those who don't are sure they are right.
As for your last statement...are you saying that you wouldn't heed the advice of someone like oh..Arnold? he's not where you want to be...but probably was at some point...
regardless of if someone now doesn't "look" how you think they should be doesn't mean they don't have good advice...
I mean I know people who look good...and I wouldn't listen to their drivel ever...
If creating a stronger mind muscle connection isn't part of your goals when you lift then I don't really know what to say to you, regardless, isolation exercises will achieve just that. Note how I don't say omit compounds.
But that doesn't change the fact that a calorie is a calorie. A liter of gas is different than a liter of water, but they are both still a liter. WHAT they do for someone is entirely different.Why do you mention a carb? Could be anything that causes the water retention. My point is 500 calories of McDonalds will have a more detrimental effect on the appearance of my physique than 500 calories of chicken and rice, regardless if the macro's are the same. IDC that they will both have the same effect on fat levels, I care about water retention too.
I won't disagree here. The REAL issue with them is when KIDS are illegally taking them just to enhance their sports performance with no actual medical advice.The point I'm making about PED's has gone completely over your head. Yes I realise they can be just as dangerous as almost any drug, it's the fact there is a huge social stigma attached to taking them that I take issue with.
Well there are lots and lots of coaches out there who may not have played at a high level in a sport, but intricately know how to coach it. Look at coaching specialists like Hany Rambod. NEVER competed on the professional stage and I would hardly thought he was nothing more than a bro gym lifter based on his physique. You can actually figure out if someone really knows what they are talking about or not on here though.It isn't about someone looking how 'I think' they should look. People can look however they want but if you're going to be doling out lifting advice AND telling other people they're wrong then yes, look the part. I'm interested in someone who's put the practical work in and actually lived it rather than geeked out on the theory but not actually gone and put the work in. This forum is a meme at this point for that one. Also again...note how I said I nearly always, not always because of course there are exceptions to the rule but I didn't think I need to put that so clearly...
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I'm saying though...if you lift, if you do yoga, if you run, basically if you do anything physical with the need to control your body then mind muscle connection SHOULD be an aim. Isolation work will help you achieve that and I feel like on this forum it's seen as the devil and a waste of time...which is entirely wrong.
But how do you know that general forum member is wrong? There's a biochemical engineers on the forum who denounce how supplements actually work. They may not train like an athlete, but they damn sure know how chemistry actually works. And the reality is if they know how it works in the body, why wouldn't you believe them just because they haven't walked the walk?Yes I take your point about Hany, hence why I said in nearly all cases plus I'm not talking about coaches because let's face it Hany HAS walked the walk. His yardstick is champions he's produced, not his own physique. It's the general forum member with limited experience, telling a seasoned gym goer they're wrong using parroted information, that's what i have a problem with.
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And you're a trainer genuinely implying that the mind muscle connection is not very important for every movement? Every movement is a "natural movement". The primal movements being push, pull, squat, bend, lunge, twist and yes gait. Just because it's a "natural movement" doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be using the correct muscles to be done most efficiently to prevent injuries.
You learn using the correct muscles for a movement by doing the movement, not by using each of the involved muscles on its own.
Thanks bud, I wasn't the one that said that.
You're the one saying isolation exercises are important for the mind/muscle connection.0 -
because if you cannot lose fat, you will not be able to recomp.
A middle aged woman who "can't lose fat" isn't calculating a deficit properly. Everyone can lose fat, no matter what their age is, so I'm not sure exactly what population you're talking about here. It's within anyone's grasp to lose fat, and thus within anyone's grasp to recomp.7 -
I love this thread. I have a LOT of unpopular opinions, but the most unpopular of them all is:
Dieting means you will be hungry, there's no way around it.
.... You won't starve, and it should be to a point it is manageable. But if you're eating at a deficit, your body will start using its own energy and it will complain. And this means you will be hungry (at least a little).25 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »
A menopausal women who cannot lose weight, will not successfully recomp.
And yet, there are menopausal women on MFP who have successfully recomped.
Where?
@AnnPT77 for one
how fat did she lose during this "recomp"?
I believe she went from obese to profile pics flexing her back and arm muscles.
That wouldn't be a recomp, just awesome fat loss.
Well, she became a competitive rower traveling around the country, so I suspect that she has also been able to add some muscle; not as much as a 20 year old kid obviously, but still, every little fiber is valuable. I have not quizzed her as to DEXA scans and such; she will have to weigh in herself.
How about middlehaitch?
IIRC, she didn't report deep difficulty losing fat, and undertook recomp after losing weight.
I wonder, though, if we should be citing people by name as examples of (whatever), without their having raised their own cases in this thread . . . .?6 -
NorthCascades wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »I think WLS is plain wrong. Operating on a healthy stomach and forcing people to starve themselves instead of improving eating habits, attitudes and environment. In the future it's going to be viewed the same way lobotomy is viewed today: Torture, barbaric, cruel.
Daily activity is all over more important than exercise. Incorporating movement into our daily life makes it more natural and easy and more likely to stick. Exhausting oneself to burn calories is futile. Enjoying sports is something completely different.
Snacking is contributing to the obesity epidemic. I am all for reintroducing meals. If IF can do that, I may have to settle for that solution.
This, this and this too for me. Also, what you eat matters - there's good foods and bad foods.
This. There are junk foods.
I don't think you're allowed to say that on MFP. You're allowed to eat cocaine laced with gasoline as long as you measure it to the gram on a food scale and fit the calories into your day.
I can't seem to find cocaine nor gasoline in the MFP food database.
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@AnnPT77 you have me spot on!
I missed the memo saying it was harder to lose weight during menopause so my first attempt to lose worked like a charm.
It took the whole of my menopause year to lose the 30 lbs.
You are correct too- my everlasting recomp started post menopause. It is slow but effective.
I had thought of commenting earlier in the thread when menopause came up but life happened- just catching up now.
As for call outs, I don't mind them- I can either add to the conversation or not. (having the @ included is always good for a faster response)
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Untrue. I've trained many menopausal women with difficulty losing weight on their own, but with proper training it can happen. They may have to work MUCH HARDER than the average person, but it's not impossible to successfully do it.
A menopausal women who cannot lose weight, will not successfully recomp.
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It's the much harder part no one likes.4 -
WayTooHonest wrote: »
Untrue. I've trained many menopausal women with difficulty losing weight on their own, but with proper training it can happen. They may have to work MUCH HARDER than the average person, but it's not impossible to successfully do it.
A menopausal women who cannot lose weight, will not successfully recomp.
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It's the much harder part no one likes.
But only some women report finding weight loss harder during menopause (I didn't for one, and a couple of others have commented similarly on this thread).
My intention is not to discount your or others' lived experience, though: Menopause (or aging, in some other respect) may well be a factor. But, since it's not universally a problem for all women in menopause, it makes me think there must be some other relevant factor(s) as well, though I have no idea what.3 -
I'm not getting into a debate on any of these....I'm just going to state them and leave. But feel free to argue among yourselves and say rude things about me if it makes you feel better...I really won't mind.
-There are foods that are just bad for you. Sure, you can lose weight eating them (if the blood sugar swings don't sabotage your self-control) but they are bad for your health. Added sugar (whether cane sugar, honey, agave, coconut sugar, etc.) is just about the worst thing you can put into your body if you care about your health.
-Artificial sweeteners cause cravings to eat more, so even if the sweeteners themselves are zero calorie, you are more likely to then overeat other foods as a result.
-You don't need to weigh your food to lose weight. There is no magic to a scale. If you aren't losing, it isn't because you don't have a scale...it simply means you need to eat a little less.
-People who don't exercise (assuming they aren't physically disabled) are unlikely to keep weight off long term. They may lose it...but they will almost certainly regain it later.
-Halo Top and all of those other pretend ice creams really do not taste good. If you think they taste good, it is because you are so desperate to have ice cream fit into your calories that you will lie to yourself.
-Low carb diets really do work best for a majority of the population.
-People who are still overweight should would be better served by continuing to eat at a deficit instead of wasting their time with a "recomp".
-BMI is appropriate for the vast majority of the population. Just because a woman lifts some weights and has three extra pounds of muscle hidden under what is clearly a layer of excess fat, it doesn't mean BMI doesn't apply to her. Yes, most of you are actually overweight if BMI says you are.
-Just because a study was done on animals, it doesn't mean it is not at all relevant to human health. It is not conclusive on its own, but it is certainly worth taking into consideration. Same goes for survey studies, etc.22 -
I think a bag of peanut M&Ms is great bike food. The bag stores easily, you can eat a few at a time then fold the corner so they don't spill out in your pocket, the sugar processes quickly so you can put the energy back into the pedals.29
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Sorry i'm late..
1 - Telling newbies to "lift heavy" is vague and dangerous. Direct them to a program or 3 to follow. Good newbie programs start with LIGHT weight.
2 - Taxing soda or other "fattening" foods is stupid. Since obesity is from a calorie surplus, might as well tax computers, cars, etc, and all food proportionate to calorie content.
3 - Not everyone should "find an exercise they enjoy". Some people need to STKU (shut the kitten up) and do what they don't feel like doing. The enjoyment will come with the results.
4 - Planks are overrated. Bench press and back squats are overrated.
5 - Strength training is overrated. Before the 20th century, almost no one did it, or needed it, because they had active lifestyles.
6 - Everyone who is able to run, should - even if it's just around the block. It's an important survival skill that could save lives one day.
7 - Many of my firm opinions may be different in 10 years, and so may yours.
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It's not. When a reflexive action happens, what's the actual mind muscle connection? Why do you think athletes get injured even if their mind/muscle connection when exercising is spot on, but not in the actual field of play?
You don't need much mind/muscle connection to run. It's a natural movement that needs absolutely minimal training if any at all. You're thinking in terms of perfecting how people workout and many people just don't go that deep into it. Lots of great athletes do well with just reaction and pure talent and don't lift weights or anything else.
But not all people lift to make the mind/muscle connection a part of the goal. Some do it just to be active and keep basic strength up. Not all people are looking to increase mass nor have prominent body parts.The whole notion of 'functional strength' and that compound lifts are the be all and end all.
Newb's concentrating on only compound lifts and not doing enough to build whats most important...mind muscle connection.
Dedicating whole workouts to just abs....fkn LOL.
The notion that a calorie is a calorie, no if one causes me to hold more water then they're not equal when it comes to my goals...which leads me to another...
Water has just as much as a detrimental effect on the appearance of a physique than fat.
The stigma attached to PED's...yet it's socially acceptable to take something that literally disables you (alcohol). People wasting time chasing ever dwindling results when they could transform their life, yet they're too scared of the social stigma to do what should be seen as normal.
People being too reliant on what hey read rather than walking the walk. I will nearly always put more value on the advice of someone who's actually where I want to be, than some skinny fat MFPer clutching a science paper.
I don't do "accessory" lifts...waste of time IMO...what's the point they don't help me achieve my goals...notice how that can be turned around using your logic
Calories are a unit of measure and if a carb impacts "YOUR" goal that's one thing but for the majority of people it is a fact...and a calorie is just that...a calorie...but not sure that this is "unpopular" just debated a lot...
PED's are a personal choice IMO...if you want to pump your body full of those things go ahead...but they are just as dangerous when abused as any other drug...including alcohol...again not that unpopular just those who want to use them vs those who don't are sure they are right.
As for your last statement...are you saying that you wouldn't heed the advice of someone like oh..Arnold? he's not where you want to be...but probably was at some point...
regardless of if someone now doesn't "look" how you think they should be doesn't mean they don't have good advice...
I mean I know people who look good...and I wouldn't listen to their drivel ever...
If creating a stronger mind muscle connection isn't part of your goals when you lift then I don't really know what to say to you, regardless, isolation exercises will achieve just that. Note how I don't say omit compounds.
But that doesn't change the fact that a calorie is a calorie. A liter of gas is different than a liter of water, but they are both still a liter. WHAT they do for someone is entirely different.Why do you mention a carb? Could be anything that causes the water retention. My point is 500 calories of McDonalds will have a more detrimental effect on the appearance of my physique than 500 calories of chicken and rice, regardless if the macro's are the same. IDC that they will both have the same effect on fat levels, I care about water retention too.
I won't disagree here. The REAL issue with them is when KIDS are illegally taking them just to enhance their sports performance with no actual medical advice.The point I'm making about PED's has gone completely over your head. Yes I realise they can be just as dangerous as almost any drug, it's the fact there is a huge social stigma attached to taking them that I take issue with.
Well there are lots and lots of coaches out there who may not have played at a high level in a sport, but intricately know how to coach it. Look at coaching specialists like Hany Rambod. NEVER competed on the professional stage and I would hardly thought he was nothing more than a bro gym lifter based on his physique. You can actually figure out if someone really knows what they are talking about or not on here though.It isn't about someone looking how 'I think' they should look. People can look however they want but if you're going to be doling out lifting advice AND telling other people they're wrong then yes, look the part. I'm interested in someone who's put the practical work in and actually lived it rather than geeked out on the theory but not actually gone and put the work in. This forum is a meme at this point for that one. Also again...note how I said I nearly always, not always because of course there are exceptions to the rule but I didn't think I need to put that so clearly...
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I'm saying though...if you lift, if you do yoga, if you run, basically if you do anything physical with the need to control your body then mind muscle connection SHOULD be an aim. Isolation work will help you achieve that and I feel like on this forum it's seen as the devil and a waste of time...which is entirely wrong.
But how do you know that general forum member is wrong? There's a biochemical engineers on the forum who denounce how supplements actually work. They may not train like an athlete, but they damn sure know how chemistry actually works. And the reality is if they know how it works in the body, why wouldn't you believe them just because they haven't walked the walk?Yes I take your point about Hany, hence why I said in nearly all cases plus I'm not talking about coaches because let's face it Hany HAS walked the walk. His yardstick is champions he's produced, not his own physique. It's the general forum member with limited experience, telling a seasoned gym goer they're wrong using parroted information, that's what i have a problem with.
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And you're a trainer genuinely implying that the mind muscle connection is not very important for every movement? Every movement is a "natural movement". The primal movements being push, pull, squat, bend, lunge, twist and yes gait. Just because it's a "natural movement" doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be using the correct muscles to be done most efficiently to prevent injuries.
And no, not every movement is a natural movement. That's why there is such a thing as BAD FORM when people try to exercise.
Exercise was developed to enhance our physical state especially when we became more sedentary due to technology and industry. Organized exercising for actual health and physical appearance has been around less than 100 years. Before that, people did a lot of physical labor just about everyday in life to stay somewhat fit.
This is something I've studied over many years and am not just going with the broscience from the gym and magazines.
You're speaking of majoring in the minors. Getting down the basics first would be in the best interest of anyone. Once they get more advanced and want to improve, then you can look at more into mind/muscle connection. That's an advanced concept.
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Lol, I can think of much worse. Ever eat some fermented foods?MoiAussi93 wrote: »I'm not getting into a debate on any of these....I'm just going to state them and leave. But feel free to argue among yourselves and say rude things about me if it makes you feel better...I really won't mind.
-There are foods that are just bad for you. Sure, you can lose weight eating them (if the blood sugar swings don't sabotage your self-control) but they are bad for your health. Added sugar (whether cane sugar, honey, agave, coconut sugar, etc.) is just about the worst thing you can put into your body if you care about your health.
Cause, nope. Correlation......yep.-Artificial sweeteners cause cravings to eat more, so even if the sweeteners themselves are zero calorie, you are more likely to then overeat other foods as a result.
A scale helps to determine how many calories are in a said food. It's much easier to see if you're over eating in calories than just guessing if you're eating too much.-You don't need to weigh your food to lose weight. There is no magic to a scale. If you aren't losing, it isn't because you don't have a scale...it simply means you need to eat a little less.
Stop. Lots of people in other countries don't purposely exercise and keep excess weight off much better than places like the US. They just plain eat less than we do here.-People who don't exercise (assuming they aren't physically disabled) are unlikely to keep weight off long term. They may lose it...but they will almost certainly regain it later.
Tastes is a matter of opinion. I think balut tastes great.-Halo Top and all of those other pretend ice creams really do not taste good. If you think they taste good, it is because you are so desperate to have ice cream fit into your calories that you will lie to yourself.
Any calorie reduced intake that causes a calorie deficit works best for anyone who likes it and will stick with it.-Low carb diets really do work best for a majority of the population.
Subjective. Define better served.-People who are still overweight should would be better served by continuing to eat at a deficit instead of wasting their time with a "recomp".
It's a guideline, but far from being accurate and actually can be costly especially if you're an athlete or muscular person in good health under a health insurance policy using BMI as their guideline for pricing.-BMI is appropriate for the vast majority of the population. Just because a woman lifts some weights and has three extra pounds of muscle hidden under what is clearly a layer of excess fat, it doesn't mean BMI doesn't apply to her. Yes, most of you are actually overweight if BMI says you are.
Looking at it objectively is fine. Defining it as actual proof to human issue......nope.-Just because a study was done on animals, it doesn't mean it is not at all relevant to human health. It is not conclusive on its own, but it is certainly worth taking into consideration. Same goes for survey studies, etc.
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WayTooHonest wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »This thread is cracking me up -- I think we've condensed every MFP debate into one thread.
But the real questions is: Would you date the person above you?
Only if they'll start drinking ACV to lose weight.13 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »I'm not getting into a debate on any of these....I'm just going to state them and leave. But feel free to argue among yourselves and say rude things about me if it makes you feel better...I really won't mind.
-There are foods that are just bad for you. Sure, you can lose weight eating them (if the blood sugar swings don't sabotage your self-control) but they are bad for your health. Added sugar (whether cane sugar, honey, agave, coconut sugar, etc.) is just about the worst thing you can put into your body if you care about your health.
-Artificial sweeteners cause cravings to eat more, so even if the sweeteners themselves are zero calorie, you are more likely to then overeat other foods as a result.
-You don't need to weigh your food to lose weight. There is no magic to a scale. If you aren't losing, it isn't because you don't have a scale...it simply means you need to eat a little less.
-People who don't exercise (assuming they aren't physically disabled) are unlikely to keep weight off long term. They may lose it...but they will almost certainly regain it later.
-Halo Top and all of those other pretend ice creams really do not taste good. If you think they taste good, it is because you are so desperate to have ice cream fit into your calories that you will lie to yourself.
-Low carb diets really do work best for a majority of the population.
-People who are still overweight should would be better served by continuing to eat at a deficit instead of wasting their time with a "recomp".
-BMI is appropriate for the vast majority of the population. Just because a woman lifts some weights and has three extra pounds of muscle hidden under what is clearly a layer of excess fat, it doesn't mean BMI doesn't apply to her. Yes, most of you are actually overweight if BMI says you are.
-Just because a study was done on animals, it doesn't mean it is not at all relevant to human health. It is not conclusive on its own, but it is certainly worth taking into consideration. Same goes for survey studies, etc.
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Lol, I can think of much worse. Ever eat some fermented foods?MoiAussi93 wrote: »I'm not getting into a debate on any of these....I'm just going to state them and leave. But feel free to argue among yourselves and say rude things about me if it makes you feel better...I really won't mind.
-There are foods that are just bad for you. Sure, you can lose weight eating them (if the blood sugar swings don't sabotage your self-control) but they are bad for your health. Added sugar (whether cane sugar, honey, agave, coconut sugar, etc.) is just about the worst thing you can put into your body if you care about your health.
Cause, nope. Correlation......yep.-Artificial sweeteners cause cravings to eat more, so even if the sweeteners themselves are zero calorie, you are more likely to then overeat other foods as a result.
A scale helps to determine how many calories are in a said food. It's much easier to see if you're over eating in calories than just guessing if you're eating too much.-You don't need to weigh your food to lose weight. There is no magic to a scale. If you aren't losing, it isn't because you don't have a scale...it simply means you need to eat a little less.
Stop. Lots of people in other countries don't purposely exercise and keep excess weight off much better than places like the US. They just plain eat less than we do here.-People who don't exercise (assuming they aren't physically disabled) are unlikely to keep weight off long term. They may lose it...but they will almost certainly regain it later.
Tastes is a matter of opinion. I think balut tastes great.-Halo Top and all of those other pretend ice creams really do not taste good. If you think they taste good, it is because you are so desperate to have ice cream fit into your calories that you will lie to yourself.
Any calorie reduced intake that causes a calorie deficit works best for anyone who likes it and will stick with it.-Low carb diets really do work best for a majority of the population.
Subjective. Define better served.-People who are still overweight should would be better served by continuing to eat at a deficit instead of wasting their time with a "recomp".
It's a guideline, but far from being accurate and actually can be costly especially if you're an athlete or muscular person in good health under a health insurance policy using BMI as their guideline for pricing.-BMI is appropriate for the vast majority of the population. Just because a woman lifts some weights and has three extra pounds of muscle hidden under what is clearly a layer of excess fat, it doesn't mean BMI doesn't apply to her. Yes, most of you are actually overweight if BMI says you are.
Looking at it objectively is fine. Defining it as actual proof to human issue......nope.-Just because a study was done on animals, it doesn't mean it is not at all relevant to human health. It is not conclusive on its own, but it is certainly worth taking into consideration. Same goes for survey studies, etc.
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I've never understood people who insist that others don't know what tastes good to them. Some of my favorite foods are things my husband can't stand and vice versa. Is it more likely that that one of us is merely lying to themselves or that people have a huge array of taste preferences based on our inherent preferences and what we grew up eating?
I *know* when a "diet food" doesn't taste good to me, you'll never see me eating one of those. But others, they taste good to me so I know that the mere desire to eat a certain type of food for reduced calories isn't at the root of it.15 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »I'm not getting into a debate on any of these....I'm just going to state them and leave. But feel free to argue among yourselves and say rude things about me if it makes you feel better...I really won't mind.
-There are foods that are just bad for you. Sure, you can lose weight eating them (if the blood sugar swings don't sabotage your self-control) but they are bad for your health. Added sugar (whether cane sugar, honey, agave, coconut sugar, etc.) is just about the worst thing you can put into your body if you care about your health.
-Artificial sweeteners cause cravings to eat more, so even if the sweeteners themselves are zero calorie, you are more likely to then overeat other foods as a result.
-You don't need to weigh your food to lose weight. There is no magic to a scale. If you aren't losing, it isn't because you don't have a scale...it simply means you need to eat a little less.
-People who don't exercise (assuming they aren't physically disabled) are unlikely to keep weight off long term. They may lose it...but they will almost certainly regain it later.
-Halo Top and all of those other pretend ice creams really do not taste good. If you think they taste good, it is because you are so desperate to have ice cream fit into your calories that you will lie to yourself.
-Low carb diets really do work best for a majority of the population.
-People who are still overweight should would be better served by continuing to eat at a deficit instead of wasting their time with a "recomp".
-BMI is appropriate for the vast majority of the population. Just because a woman lifts some weights and has three extra pounds of muscle hidden under what is clearly a layer of excess fat, it doesn't mean BMI doesn't apply to her. Yes, most of you are actually overweight if BMI says you are.
-Just because a study was done on animals, it doesn't mean it is not at all relevant to human health. It is not conclusive on its own, but it is certainly worth taking into consideration. Same goes for survey studies, etc.
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I think fitbits or other expensive activity trackers are not really better than a $20 pedometer for most people.
High calorie foods can be healthy. Low calorie foods can be unhealthy. Calories do not determine how healthy a food is.
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MoiAussi93 wrote: »I'm not getting into a debate on any of these....I'm just going to state them and leave. But feel free to argue among yourselves and say rude things about me if it makes you feel better...I really won't mind.
-There are foods that are just bad for you. Sure, you can lose weight eating them (if the blood sugar swings don't sabotage your self-control) but they are bad for your health. Added sugar (whether cane sugar, honey, agave, coconut sugar, etc.) is just about the worst thing you can put into your body if you care about your health.
-Artificial sweeteners cause cravings to eat more, so even if the sweeteners themselves are zero calorie, you are more likely to then overeat other foods as a result.
-You don't need to weigh your food to lose weight. There is no magic to a scale. If you aren't losing, it isn't because you don't have a scale...it simply means you need to eat a little less.
-People who don't exercise (assuming they aren't physically disabled) are unlikely to keep weight off long term. They may lose it...but they will almost certainly regain it later.
-Halo Top and all of those other pretend ice creams really do not taste good. If you think they taste good, it is because you are so desperate to have ice cream fit into your calories that you will lie to yourself.
-Low carb diets really do work best for a majority of the population.
-People who are still overweight should would be better served by continuing to eat at a deficit instead of wasting their time with a "recomp".
-BMI is appropriate for the vast majority of the population. Just because a woman lifts some weights and has three extra pounds of muscle hidden under what is clearly a layer of excess fat, it doesn't mean BMI doesn't apply to her. Yes, most of you are actually overweight if BMI says you are.
-Just because a study was done on animals, it doesn't mean it is not at all relevant to human health. It is not conclusive on its own, but it is certainly worth taking into consideration. Same goes for survey studies, etc.
only one or two things here can be said yes to imo...BMI being appropriate for most and the studies...the rest lol.Cherimoose wrote: »Sorry i'm late..
1 - Telling newbies to "lift heavy" is vague and dangerous. Direct them to a program or 3 to follow. Good newbie programs start with LIGHT weight.
2 - Taxing soda or other "fattening" foods is stupid. Since obesity is from a calorie surplus, might as well tax computers, cars, etc, and all food proportionate to calorie content.
3 - Not everyone should "find an exercise they enjoy". Some people need to STKU (shut the kitten up) and do what they don't feel like doing. The enjoyment will come with the results.
4 - Planks are overrated. Bench press and back squats are overrated.
5 - Strength training is overrated. Before the 20th century, almost no one did it, or needed it, because they had active lifestyles.
6 - Everyone who is able to run, should - even if it's just around the block. It's an important survival skill that could save lives one day.
7 - Many of my firm opinions may be different in 10 years, and so may yours.
Now this...lift "heavy" with heavy being a relative term to the individual is valid advice usually followed up with exactly that...heavy is relative and then programs are often suggested.
Exercise is not required so who the kitten cares if people exercise...seriously and the typical advice from the group I know is find one you love or if not that one you like if not that least objectionable (if you want to exercise)
BP and Squats are not overrated they are awesome and will help with the survival as well...try pulling yourself up over a fence by just running...which goes into the whole strength training thing...it is not overrated regardless of what we did 20 or 40 or 100 years ago..things are different now...not everyone is going to be carrying buckets of water to cows....and the running...fine run but try running up a tree...as noted prior.
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Untrue. I've trained many menopausal women with difficulty losing weight on their own, but with proper training it can happen. They may have to work MUCH HARDER than the average person, but it's not impossible to successfully do it.
A menopausal women who cannot lose weight, will not successfully recomp.
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It's the much harder part no one likes.
But only some women report finding weight loss harder during menopause (I didn't for one, and a couple of others have commented similarly on this thread).
My intention is not to discount your or others' lived experience, though: Menopause (or aging, in some other respect) may well be a factor. But, since it's not universally a problem for all women in menopause, it makes me think there must be some other relevant factor(s) as well, though I have no idea what.
I doubt there are many problems with weight loss that are universal, but it might be safe to say that often it's harder during menopause or perimenopause. Many of the reasons are lifestyle based. And sometimes knowledge based. We are old enough to realize that some of the motivations of the young (he'll love me if I lose weight, everyone will envy me if I lose weight, life will be wonderful if I lose weight, etc.) simply aren't true.
Some are physical. With age and especially sedentary aging sometimes come bad knees, arthritis, or other ailments that make activity more difficult. And while increased activity isn't required for weight loss, it sure makes it easier. Then there are the varying symptoms of menopause itself. Mood swings, water weight gain, hot flashes, night sweats, etc.
I lost over 30 lbs during menopause but I did find it harder. Water weight was my nemesis. It's so hard to know if you are on track and really losing fat when you routinely gain and lose several lbs of water weight each week. I also had crazy mood swings, which luckily were lessened by exercise so that was actually a huge motivation to stay active for me.
TLDR: the process (CI<CO) is still the same simple formula, but there may be more factors working against you during menopause than before. Or there may not be. People are different.0 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »-People who are still overweight should would be better served by continuing to eat at a deficit instead of wasting their time with a "recomp".
-BMI is appropriate for the vast majority of the population. Just because a woman lifts some weights and has three extra pounds of muscle hidden under what is clearly a layer of excess fat, it doesn't mean BMI doesn't apply to her. Yes, most of you are actually overweight if BMI says you are.
I think both of these are very true for women, but not necessarily men. It's not hard for a man to be overweight by BMI but not be overly fat.0 -
exercising to lose weight is dumb. Especially spending time on a treadmill to justify a candy bar.3
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Lol, I can think of much worse. Ever eat some fermented foods?MoiAussi93 wrote: »I'm not getting into a debate on any of these....I'm just going to state them and leave. But feel free to argue among yourselves and say rude things about me if it makes you feel better...I really won't mind.
-There are foods that are just bad for you. Sure, you can lose weight eating them (if the blood sugar swings don't sabotage your self-control) but they are bad for your health. Added sugar (whether cane sugar, honey, agave, coconut sugar, etc.) is just about the worst thing you can put into your body if you care about your health.
Cause, nope. Correlation......yep.-Artificial sweeteners cause cravings to eat more, so even if the sweeteners themselves are zero calorie, you are more likely to then overeat other foods as a result.
A scale helps to determine how many calories are in a said food. It's much easier to see if you're over eating in calories than just guessing if you're eating too much.-You don't need to weigh your food to lose weight. There is no magic to a scale. If you aren't losing, it isn't because you don't have a scale...it simply means you need to eat a little less.
Stop. Lots of people in other countries don't purposely exercise and keep excess weight off much better than places like the US. They just plain eat less than we do here.-People who don't exercise (assuming they aren't physically disabled) are unlikely to keep weight off long term. They may lose it...but they will almost certainly regain it later.
Tastes is a matter of opinion. I think balut tastes great.-Halo Top and all of those other pretend ice creams really do not taste good. If you think they taste good, it is because you are so desperate to have ice cream fit into your calories that you will lie to yourself.
Any calorie reduced intake that causes a calorie deficit works best for anyone who likes it and will stick with it.-Low carb diets really do work best for a majority of the population.
Subjective. Define better served.-People who are still overweight should would be better served by continuing to eat at a deficit instead of wasting their time with a "recomp".
It's a guideline, but far from being accurate and actually can be costly especially if you're an athlete or muscular person in good health under a health insurance policy using BMI as their guideline for pricing.-BMI is appropriate for the vast majority of the population. Just because a woman lifts some weights and has three extra pounds of muscle hidden under what is clearly a layer of excess fat, it doesn't mean BMI doesn't apply to her. Yes, most of you are actually overweight if BMI says you are.
Looking at it objectively is fine. Defining it as actual proof to human issue......nope.-Just because a study was done on animals, it doesn't mean it is not at all relevant to human health. It is not conclusive on its own, but it is certainly worth taking into consideration. Same goes for survey studies, etc.
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I've never understood people who insist that others don't know what tastes good to them. Some of my favorite foods are things my husband can't stand and vice versa. Is it more likely that that one of us is merely lying to themselves or that people have a huge array of taste preferences based on our inherent preferences and what we grew up eating?
I *know* when a "diet food" doesn't taste good to me, you'll never see me eating one of those. But others, they taste good to me so I know that the mere desire to eat a certain type of food for reduced calories isn't at the root of it.
This. I find it even weirder because there are things I loved when I was fat that I just can't stand now so clearly something has changed in me and the person who is gonna know that...is me. Like people can say that avocados taste amazing but I will throw it at you before I ever it eat on toast.
My only unpopular opinion is that unless you're willing to accept the other person's point of view, i.e. a debate on low carb versus high carb, you shouldn't share it at all. I'm sick of people telling other people what to do with their diets simply because they had success doing one thing. Good for you, but I don't care.
Oh and I could give a *kitten* about lifting as I do about low carb. For some people that's great, but not for me.9 -
It's pretty unpopular here, but I think it's just fine and dandy to drink "meal replacement" shakes or whathaveyou. They're easy and convenient and calories are easy to calculate and pre-log it's NOT necessarily a sabotage for maintenance. I'm on maintenance now and I still have a shake for breakfast or lunch sometimes for all of the same reasons.18
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stevencloser wrote: »The whole notion of 'functional strength' and that compound lifts are the be all and end all.
Newb's concentrating on only compound lifts and not doing enough to build whats most important...mind muscle connection.
Dedicating whole workouts to just abs....fkn LOL.
The notion that a calorie is a calorie, no if one causes me to hold more water then they're not equal when it comes to my goals...which leads me to another...
Water has just as much as a detrimental effect on the appearance of a physique than fat.
The stigma attached to PED's...yet it's socially acceptable to take something that literally disables you (alcohol). People wasting time chasing ever dwindling results when they could transform their life, yet they're too scared of the social stigma to do what should be seen as normal.
People being too reliant on what hey read rather than walking the walk. I will nearly always put more value on the advice of someone who's actually where I want to be, than some skinny fat MFPer clutching a science paper.
The best football coaches tend to not have been the best players in their active time. Go figure.
True. I don't recall Bill Belichick having a stellar career as a player at any level.
As far as in the gym and/or on MFP, I've seen some of the biggest dudes dispensing some of the worst, most bro-ey advice. Some people succeed in spite of what they do, not because of what they do.
And if somebody is using PEDs, the value of their advice is further diminished. You can gain muscle just looking at a barbell if you're doing enough test. You could run a completely idiotic routine that would be useless for a natty and still be able to put on muscle. Be honest up front and admit that you're using drugs so people can gauge your advice accordingly.
Not to even mention the fact that a PED using bodybuilder who has already gained a ton of muscle and is now running specialization routines to refine his physique will work out completely differently than a natty who just started lifting and is struggling to put on some mass. Yeah, you've got 20-inch arms, no kidding you're doing a ton of isolation exercises. But don't tell a newbie/natty that they should be doing 8 sets of 5 different varieties of curls for their biceps four times a week. They haven't developed the work capacity, they don't have the recovery capacity of a PED user and they don't have the foundation in place to support that kind of routine.
Most PED users look like utter s@%t, trust me. They really aren't magic, not even GH is. Believe it or not but I've lived both sides here and I know the score. Yes someone with higher test will have more muscle mass by default, doesn't mean they won't look like a fat, watery mess with hypertension if they don't remain disciplined.
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exercising to lose weight is dumb. Especially spending time on a treadmill to justify a candy bar.
exercising to lose weight is not necessary or required but exercising itself is not dumb and if it helps you create your deficit have at.
I spend time exercising on a treadmill for extra food...I lost almost 60lbs and have maintained for a while now...how is that dumb?15 -
JeepHair77 wrote: »It's pretty unpopular here, but I think it's just fine and dandy to drink "meal replacement" shakes or whathaveyou. They're easy and convenient and calories are easy to calculate and pre-log it's NOT necessarily a sabotage for maintenance. I'm on maintenance now and I still have a shake for breakfast or lunch sometimes for all of the same reasons.
not sure I would choose a shake but yah...why not.
I eat microwave meals for that very reason...easy and nice to not worry at all...
For example the healthy steamer I had yesterday...broc and chicken alfredo...easy peasy.1 -
You don't need much mind/muscle connection to run. It's a natural movement that needs absolutely minimal training if any at all. You're thinking in terms of perfecting how people workout and many people just don't go that deep into it. Lots of great athletes do well with just reaction and pure talent and don't lift weights or anything else.
But not all people lift to make the mind/muscle connection a part of the goal. Some do it just to be active and keep basic strength up. Not all people are looking to increase mass nor have prominent body parts.The whole notion of 'functional strength' and that compound lifts are the be all and end all.
Newb's concentrating on only compound lifts and not doing enough to build whats most important...mind muscle connection.
Dedicating whole workouts to just abs....fkn LOL.
The notion that a calorie is a calorie, no if one causes me to hold more water then they're not equal when it comes to my goals...which leads me to another...
Water has just as much as a detrimental effect on the appearance of a physique than fat.
The stigma attached to PED's...yet it's socially acceptable to take something that literally disables you (alcohol). People wasting time chasing ever dwindling results when they could transform their life, yet they're too scared of the social stigma to do what should be seen as normal.
People being too reliant on what hey read rather than walking the walk. I will nearly always put more value on the advice of someone who's actually where I want to be, than some skinny fat MFPer clutching a science paper.
I don't do "accessory" lifts...waste of time IMO...what's the point they don't help me achieve my goals...notice how that can be turned around using your logic
Calories are a unit of measure and if a carb impacts "YOUR" goal that's one thing but for the majority of people it is a fact...and a calorie is just that...a calorie...but not sure that this is "unpopular" just debated a lot...
PED's are a personal choice IMO...if you want to pump your body full of those things go ahead...but they are just as dangerous when abused as any other drug...including alcohol...again not that unpopular just those who want to use them vs those who don't are sure they are right.
As for your last statement...are you saying that you wouldn't heed the advice of someone like oh..Arnold? he's not where you want to be...but probably was at some point...
regardless of if someone now doesn't "look" how you think they should be doesn't mean they don't have good advice...
I mean I know people who look good...and I wouldn't listen to their drivel ever...
If creating a stronger mind muscle connection isn't part of your goals when you lift then I don't really know what to say to you, regardless, isolation exercises will achieve just that. Note how I don't say omit compounds.
But that doesn't change the fact that a calorie is a calorie. A liter of gas is different than a liter of water, but they are both still a liter. WHAT they do for someone is entirely different.Why do you mention a carb? Could be anything that causes the water retention. My point is 500 calories of McDonalds will have a more detrimental effect on the appearance of my physique than 500 calories of chicken and rice, regardless if the macro's are the same. IDC that they will both have the same effect on fat levels, I care about water retention too.
I won't disagree here. The REAL issue with them is when KIDS are illegally taking them just to enhance their sports performance with no actual medical advice.The point I'm making about PED's has gone completely over your head. Yes I realise they can be just as dangerous as almost any drug, it's the fact there is a huge social stigma attached to taking them that I take issue with.
Well there are lots and lots of coaches out there who may not have played at a high level in a sport, but intricately know how to coach it. Look at coaching specialists like Hany Rambod. NEVER competed on the professional stage and I would hardly thought he was nothing more than a bro gym lifter based on his physique. You can actually figure out if someone really knows what they are talking about or not on here though.It isn't about someone looking how 'I think' they should look. People can look however they want but if you're going to be doling out lifting advice AND telling other people they're wrong then yes, look the part. I'm interested in someone who's put the practical work in and actually lived it rather than geeked out on the theory but not actually gone and put the work in. This forum is a meme at this point for that one. Also again...note how I said I nearly always, not always because of course there are exceptions to the rule but I didn't think I need to put that so clearly...
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I'm saying though...if you lift, if you do yoga, if you run, basically if you do anything physical with the need to control your body then mind muscle connection SHOULD be an aim. Isolation work will help you achieve that and I feel like on this forum it's seen as the devil and a waste of time...which is entirely wrong.
But how do you know that general forum member is wrong? There's a biochemical engineers on the forum who denounce how supplements actually work. They may not train like an athlete, but they damn sure know how chemistry actually works. And the reality is if they know how it works in the body, why wouldn't you believe them just because they haven't walked the walk?Yes I take your point about Hany, hence why I said in nearly all cases plus I'm not talking about coaches because let's face it Hany HAS walked the walk. His yardstick is champions he's produced, not his own physique. It's the general forum member with limited experience, telling a seasoned gym goer they're wrong using parroted information, that's what i have a problem with.
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You mention high end coaches, biochemical engineers...not really the point I'm making. The untrained newb, read a few articles, telling someone with a great physique that the way they got there was wrong. It's that lack of humility, the close mindedness. Sure they might not of got there 'optimally' but they're there and they've shown what surely we can both agree is the most important thing in this game...consistency and discipline and that should be respected, whether you choose to take their advice or not.
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