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MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
Seriously?!? Smokers are banned everywhere. Restaurants, planes, bowling alleys, bars, you name it. Can't even come within X amount of feet from the front doors of buildings.
I'm sorry you feel so defensive about the subject. But I think your personal viewpoint is extreme.15 -
stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
You haven't been around many smokers then. Or haven't seen any cigarette packages in the past years.
Honestly, as a nonsmoker, I think that there's a fair amount of overreach... and it's one of the reasons I'm so vigorous about resisting the idea that the solution is more labelling.
The label could say "Hey moron, smoking is bad for you, you could get cancer or emphysema."
Instead, they now say "If you smoke another cigarette, you'll die tomorrow" or some comparable woo that makes the warning label less than useless.4 -
denversillygoose wrote: »You can be an athlete and be a "stoner" at the same time.
Michael Phelps?
also - what is a "stoner" to you?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1152611-25-elite-athletes-who-also-smoke-pot1 -
MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »ok I'm ready to weigh in on this (hahaha I crack myself up). Here are my unpopular opinions:
1. Weighing daily is unhealthy. (not to say it isn't tempting)
2. Weight loss should not be your objective. It's a side affect of making healthier choices.
3. Mental health is just as important as physical health (if not more).
4. If you lose weight bc you hate yourself, you will still hate yourself at your goal weight and you WILL gain it back.
Sometimes, losing weight (in and of itself) is the best thing a person can do for their health.
not if they're going to immediately gain it back because they didn't deal with their relationship with food and the emotional baggage that may have caused them to gain the weight.
Who says they didn't deal with those issues as a means to the goal of losing weight?
like I said in my original post: my opinion is that weight loss should be a byproduct, not the goal. The goal is to feel better, be more physically able, not eat emotionally, love yourself, etc. Weight is just your relationship with gravity. If you make lifestyle changes, you may lose weight, but it's about the weakest measurement of health.
Obesity is detrimental to physical health. It's hardly a weak measurement of health. If a person is obese and they have an unhealthy relationship with food, then yes they need to deal with that unhealthy relationship in order to achieve the goal of overcoming obesity because obesity kills.
What a ridiculous oversimplification. There is a correlation between obesity and some illnesses. And do you remember what was talked about in high school about the dangers of assuming causation vs correlation?
No, obesity has been proven to CAUSE deaths. In 2015 four MILLION people died worldwide due to excess body weight. You'd really tout a high school lecture on correlation vs. causation as the authority trumping thousands of scientists and doctors worldwide? The science is very clear that obesity kills. You're deluded if you just think "weight is your relationship with gravity" and nothing more.
you can think my argument is stupid or disagree with me but no scientist is going to say that obesity causes death. Show me that article. They all say it's linked or it can lead to a cause of death. Your weight is the result of over eating and/or a sedentary lifestyle. Overeating and/or a sedentary lifestyle? leads to excess weight. leads to several causes of death. Obesity doesn't literally kill you.
Any scientist would disagree with you. Being too large for your organs and primary systems to sustain life fulfills all the criteria of a repeatable and provable fact.
Per NIH obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the U.S.
Where did The National Institute of Health print that? All I can find in a website claiming they said that but no proof.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/behindtheheadlines/news/2016-07-14-obesity-now-a-leading-cause-of-death-especially-in-men/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12230315
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-finds-extreme-obesity-may-shorten-life-expectancy-14-years
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1790820/5 -
jseams1234 wrote: »denversillygoose wrote: »You can be an athlete and be a "stoner" at the same time.
Michael Phelps?
also - what is "stoner" to you?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1152611-25-elite-athletes-who-also-smoke-pot
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stanmann571 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
You haven't been around many smokers then. Or haven't seen any cigarette packages in the past years.
Honestly, as a nonsmoker, I think that there's a fair amount of overreach... and it's one of the reasons I'm so vigorous about resisting the idea that the solution is more labelling.
The label could say "Hey moron, smoking is bad for you, you could get cancer or emphysema."
Instead, they now say "If you smoke another cigarette, you'll die tomorrow" or some comparable woo that makes the warning label less than useless.
It's been a while since I've seen one (quit smoking a long time ago). Did they change them to make them more dramatic? The ones I remember were like "Quitting smoking greatly reduces your health risk" or something like that. And another one about smoking being associated with low birth weight for infants.
Clearly they made a huge impression on me.
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MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
Are you searching for truth or are you trying to be right?
Two very different things, but only one road leads to success.8 -
MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
Are you searching for truth or are you trying to be right?
Two very different things, but only one road leads to success.
thanks dude I'm pretty happy with my level of success.
idk about where you guys live but I'm in a university town and so many people smoke. No one ever makes fun of them in the streets. They can buy cigarettes at any store. If you see a pic of someone smoking on fb, there aren't dozen of ppl mocking them and giving them *kitten*. Perhaps we're in different bubbles.1 -
i don't believe in being "buff"
i don't like sculpted ppl
i like ppl to be soft and not too slim
i like most women around a size 12 to 16
i don't know men's sizes so i'm not going there
but tummy ridges and veins popping out is just nasty to me9 -
jseams1234 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »ok I'm ready to weigh in on this (hahaha I crack myself up). Here are my unpopular opinions:
1. Weighing daily is unhealthy. (not to say it isn't tempting)
2. Weight loss should not be your objective. It's a side affect of making healthier choices.
3. Mental health is just as important as physical health (if not more).
4. If you lose weight bc you hate yourself, you will still hate yourself at your goal weight and you WILL gain it back.
Sometimes, losing weight (in and of itself) is the best thing a person can do for their health.
not if they're going to immediately gain it back because they didn't deal with their relationship with food and the emotional baggage that may have caused them to gain the weight.
Who says they didn't deal with those issues as a means to the goal of losing weight?
like I said in my original post: my opinion is that weight loss should be a byproduct, not the goal. The goal is to feel better, be more physically able, not eat emotionally, love yourself, etc. Weight is just your relationship with gravity. If you make lifestyle changes, you may lose weight, but it's about the weakest measurement of health.
Obesity is detrimental to physical health. It's hardly a weak measurement of health. If a person is obese and they have an unhealthy relationship with food, then yes they need to deal with that unhealthy relationship in order to achieve the goal of overcoming obesity because obesity kills.
What a ridiculous oversimplification. There is a correlation between obesity and some illnesses. And do you remember what was talked about in high school about the dangers of assuming causation vs correlation?
No, obesity has been proven to CAUSE deaths. In 2015 four MILLION people died worldwide due to excess body weight. You'd really tout a high school lecture on correlation vs. causation as the authority trumping thousands of scientists and doctors worldwide? The science is very clear that obesity kills. You're deluded if you just think "weight is your relationship with gravity" and nothing more.
you can think my argument is stupid or disagree with me but no scientist is going to say that obesity causes death. Show me that article. They all say it's linked or it can lead to a cause of death. Your weight is the result of over eating and/or a sedentary lifestyle. Overeating and/or a sedentary lifestyle? leads to excess weight. leads to several causes of death. Obesity doesn't literally kill you.
Any scientist would disagree with you. Being too large for your organs and primary systems to sustain life fulfills all the criteria of a repeatable and provable fact.
Per NIH obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the U.S.
Where did The National Institute of Health print that? All I can find in a website claiming they said that but no proof.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/behindtheheadlines/news/2016-07-14-obesity-now-a-leading-cause-of-death-especially-in-men/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12230315
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-finds-extreme-obesity-may-shorten-life-expectancy-14-years
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1790820/
1. correlation study
2. says "linked" not causes death
3. says "may shorten" and is once again correlation
4. says it is a "risk factor" not causes death1 -
MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
Are you searching for truth or are you trying to be right?
Two very different things, but only one road leads to success.
thanks dude I'm pretty happy with my level of success.
idk about where you guys live but I'm in a university town and so many people smoke. No one ever makes fun of them in the streets. They can buy cigarettes at any store. If you see a pic of someone smoking on fb, there aren't dozen of ppl mocking them and giving them *kitten*. Perhaps we're in different bubbles.
Or perhaps you don't see what doesn't affect you.
I used to smoke and people would absolutely call me out when I was walking down the street. Or into a restaurant. When I was a waitress in a restaurant with a smoking section we would get activist groups come in specifically to harass the people in the smoking section. Anyone else remember those horrible truth.com people?9 -
MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
Are you searching for truth or are you trying to be right?
Two very different things, but only one road leads to success.
thanks dude I'm pretty happy with my level of success.
idk about where you guys live but I'm in a university town and so many people smoke. No one ever makes fun of them in the streets. They can buy cigarettes at any store. If you see a pic of someone smoking on fb, there aren't dozen of ppl mocking them and giving them *kitten*. Perhaps we're in different bubbles.
You're too inwardly focused. If you were a smoker who was inwardly focused you would find plenty to wallow in, even in your university town. Shifting focus to something else, even temporarily, may help you a lot or at least give you a break from all the negativity and rumination. This can take a toll on anyone.11 -
MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
Are you searching for truth or are you trying to be right?
Two very different things, but only one road leads to success.
thanks dude I'm pretty happy with my level of success.
idk about where you guys live but I'm in a university town and so many people smoke. No one ever makes fun of them in the streets. They can buy cigarettes at any store. If you see a pic of someone smoking on fb, there aren't dozen of ppl mocking them and giving them *kitten*. Perhaps we're in different bubbles.
Or perhaps you don't see what doesn't affect you.
I used to smoke and people would absolutely call me out when I was walking down the street. Or into a restaurant. When I was a waitress in a restaurant with a smoking section we would get activist groups come in specifically to harass the people in the smoking section.
I'm sorry to hear that. I do think it might just be accepted where I live. I have several good friends who smoke and have never heard any of this walking down the street with them.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
You haven't been around many smokers then. Or haven't seen any cigarette packages in the past years.
Honestly, as a nonsmoker, I think that there's a fair amount of overreach... and it's one of the reasons I'm so vigorous about resisting the idea that the solution is more labelling.
The label could say "Hey moron, smoking is bad for you, you could get cancer or emphysema."
Instead, they now say "If you smoke another cigarette, you'll die tomorrow" or some comparable woo that makes the warning label less than useless.
It's been a while since I've seen one (quit smoking a long time ago). Did they change them to make them more dramatic? The ones I remember were like "Quitting smoking greatly reduces your health risk" or something like that. And another one about smoking being associated with low birth weight for infants.
Clearly they made a huge impression on me.
Ours now have very graphic illustrations on them accompanying the health warnings.1 -
the9thresident wrote: »i don't believe in being "buff"
i don't like sculpted ppl
i like ppl to be soft and not too slim
i like most women around a size 12 to 16
i don't know men's sizes so i'm not going there
but tummy ridges and veins popping out is just nasty to me
To each their own, huh? When I personally see a pair of traps poppin', I just want to bite 'em.
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MJ2victory wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »ok I'm ready to weigh in on this (hahaha I crack myself up). Here are my unpopular opinions:
1. Weighing daily is unhealthy. (not to say it isn't tempting)
2. Weight loss should not be your objective. It's a side affect of making healthier choices.
3. Mental health is just as important as physical health (if not more).
4. If you lose weight bc you hate yourself, you will still hate yourself at your goal weight and you WILL gain it back.
Sometimes, losing weight (in and of itself) is the best thing a person can do for their health.
not if they're going to immediately gain it back because they didn't deal with their relationship with food and the emotional baggage that may have caused them to gain the weight.
Who says they didn't deal with those issues as a means to the goal of losing weight?
like I said in my original post: my opinion is that weight loss should be a byproduct, not the goal. The goal is to feel better, be more physically able, not eat emotionally, love yourself, etc. Weight is just your relationship with gravity. If you make lifestyle changes, you may lose weight, but it's about the weakest measurement of health.
Obesity is detrimental to physical health. It's hardly a weak measurement of health. If a person is obese and they have an unhealthy relationship with food, then yes they need to deal with that unhealthy relationship in order to achieve the goal of overcoming obesity because obesity kills.
What a ridiculous oversimplification. There is a correlation between obesity and some illnesses. And do you remember what was talked about in high school about the dangers of assuming causation vs correlation?
No, obesity has been proven to CAUSE deaths. In 2015 four MILLION people died worldwide due to excess body weight. You'd really tout a high school lecture on correlation vs. causation as the authority trumping thousands of scientists and doctors worldwide? The science is very clear that obesity kills. You're deluded if you just think "weight is your relationship with gravity" and nothing more.
you can think my argument is stupid or disagree with me but no scientist is going to say that obesity causes death. Show me that article. They all say it's linked or it can lead to a cause of death. Your weight is the result of over eating and/or a sedentary lifestyle. Overeating and/or a sedentary lifestyle? leads to excess weight. leads to several causes of death. Obesity doesn't literally kill you.
Any scientist would disagree with you. Being too large for your organs and primary systems to sustain life fulfills all the criteria of a repeatable and provable fact.
Per NIH obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the U.S.
Where did The National Institute of Health print that? All I can find in a website claiming they said that but no proof.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/behindtheheadlines/news/2016-07-14-obesity-now-a-leading-cause-of-death-especially-in-men/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12230315
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-finds-extreme-obesity-may-shorten-life-expectancy-14-years
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1790820/
1. correlation study
2. says "linked" not causes death
3. says "may shorten" and is once again correlation
4. says it is a "risk factor" not causes death
You are playing a semantic game to support an unreasonable position. Obesity is not a disease, but a physical state, as such is not singularly tracked. Perhaps you need to further study the semantic use of "linked", "correlation", "causation", and "risk" in these reports.
This is akin to stating that no one starves to death, but their organs eventually fail and that lack of nutrients poses a higher risk factor to those starving. The end point is still premature death, regardless of your semantics.
Curious - if so adamant with the notion that being obese is perfectly healthy then why did you join MFP?
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stevencloser wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
You haven't been around many smokers then. Or haven't seen any cigarette packages in the past years.
Honestly, as a nonsmoker, I think that there's a fair amount of overreach... and it's one of the reasons I'm so vigorous about resisting the idea that the solution is more labelling.
The label could say "Hey moron, smoking is bad for you, you could get cancer or emphysema."
Instead, they now say "If you smoke another cigarette, you'll die tomorrow" or some comparable woo that makes the warning label less than useless.
It's been a while since I've seen one (quit smoking a long time ago). Did they change them to make them more dramatic? The ones I remember were like "Quitting smoking greatly reduces your health risk" or something like that. And another one about smoking being associated with low birth weight for infants.
Clearly they made a huge impression on me.
Ours now have very graphic illustrations on them accompanying the health warnings.
same, and a warning that says it "destroys health and causes death". I remember when the labeling first started, we used to seek those packs because they're guaranteed to be "fresh".3 -
MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
Are you searching for truth or are you trying to be right?
Two very different things, but only one road leads to success.
thanks dude I'm pretty happy with my level of success.
idk about where you guys live but I'm in a university town and so many people smoke. No one ever makes fun of them in the streets. They can buy cigarettes at any store. If you see a pic of someone smoking on fb, there aren't dozen of ppl mocking them and giving them *kitten*. Perhaps we're in different bubbles.
I think that's a fair conclusion.2 -
MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
Are you searching for truth or are you trying to be right?
Two very different things, but only one road leads to success.
thanks dude I'm pretty happy with my level of success.
idk about where you guys live but I'm in a university town and so many people smoke. No one ever makes fun of them in the streets. They can buy cigarettes at any store. If you see a pic of someone smoking on fb, there aren't dozen of ppl mocking them and giving them *kitten*. Perhaps we're in different bubbles.
Nah they just aren't allowed to do it in most places and get graphic reminders about how they're slowly killing themselves every time they buy their vice.
How would you feel if every time you bought a loaf of bread it had a label saying "hey, obesity causes diabetes and heart disease, it makes you impotent, *kitten* with your hormones, you'll die earlier."3 -
stevencloser wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »Big is beautiful...(when said about obese people)
No it's not... It's heart disease, liver disease and many other illnesses breeding inside you because you can't control your cravings.
This isn't a dig it's a fact.
Those that are on here that are obese I would assume are here to improve themselves and to them I say I salute you.
To those that choose to continue without change, I am disturbed by you and your lack of love for the only body you'll ever have.
a.) plenty of fat ppl don't get those issues and plenty of thin people do... you know that. Why oversimplify?
b.) you can be disturbed all you want but I agree with you that the habits and behaviors that got them/us fat probably have to do with a lack of self love. Ergo, step 1 is finding yourself beautiful and lovable and step 2 is deciding that that means you're worth the work it takes to food prep, the work it takes to say no to excess food, it's all hard work. And if you don't first believe you're worth it... how do you ever love yourself enough to do it??? Sure, some people get stuck on step 1 and that may be a problem for them and possible others... but that doesn't mean it's not an important step.
Plenty smokers never get lung cancer.
is that perhaps why you don't see people *kitten* on smokers the way they do on fat people?
You haven't been around many smokers then. Or haven't seen any cigarette packages in the past years.
Honestly, as a nonsmoker, I think that there's a fair amount of overreach... and it's one of the reasons I'm so vigorous about resisting the idea that the solution is more labelling.
The label could say "Hey moron, smoking is bad for you, you could get cancer or emphysema."
Instead, they now say "If you smoke another cigarette, you'll die tomorrow" or some comparable woo that makes the warning label less than useless.
It's been a while since I've seen one (quit smoking a long time ago). Did they change them to make them more dramatic? The ones I remember were like "Quitting smoking greatly reduces your health risk" or something like that. And another one about smoking being associated with low birth weight for infants.
Clearly they made a huge impression on me.
Ours now have very graphic illustrations on them accompanying the health warnings.
Here too.
I'll put a link, so people have the option of looking:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=Canada+cigarette+warning+labels&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjP2Nvt7OPUAhUq7IMKHeebDHEQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=6111
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