What terms/phrases wind you up about losing weight?
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Cut. (Cut and Bulk). Like you know people who do cardio want to lose weight. People who do weight lifting want to cut. None of that good ol losing weight thing. They cut.10
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For many of us 1200 calories is NOT too low - there are plenty of us older, shorter women on these boards who lose weight at the rate of .5 lbs or less a week on 1200 calories, even those of us who are moderately active. And I really resent it when the poster goes on to boast "I'm 5'1" and I eat 2500 calories just to MAINTAIN!"
The flip side of this is what bugs me. "I'm in my 20s, 5'7", weigh 200 pounds, and I gain on 1400 calories."
People in general are extremely bad at knowing what their average caloric intake is, what their TDEE is, and what their average rate of loss is. It takes a long time to gather enough data to be able to make a decent estimate of any of that, and then you have to actually do the math for the estimate.
All true, but the point of my post was that there are too many posters who jump in with an automatic "1200 calories is too low! You're damaging your health!" without having any information at all about the person eating the 1200 calories. And they often use their own stats as a "See, I'm maintaining on a lot more calories, so you need to eat more!" without having a clue whether their own situation is even remotely similar.6 -
Losing weight is x% diet and x% exercise.
It's not. It's 100% a calorie deficit. How each person chooses to get to a deficit is completely up to them.
(Wow, I had to read this like 15 times before posting to make sure I didn't misspell losing. And, then I had to look up misspell...)
Apparently misspelled is the most misspelled word in English... Some people also manage to misspell inaccurately
I would annoy you. Maybe because that's how I create my deficit (x% diet y%exercise). A shortcut really. People are always going on about how I should exercise to lose weight and I'm like, NOPE. Easier for me to eat less.0 -
nokanjaijo wrote: »jennifer_417 wrote: »None. It actually annoys me how wound up people get over particular phrases.
I agree. It's especially weird to me since it seems that most of the time, it's people who are taking an obvious idiom literally.
Like, "I could care less" means the person doesn't care. Everybody knows that but people still want to complain forever about how it literally means that you do care.
Actually the saying is I couldn't care less. Meaning I care so little it is impossible to care less than I do.10 -
J9LynnHelton wrote: »nokanjaijo wrote: »jennifer_417 wrote: »None. It actually annoys me how wound up people get over particular phrases.
I agree. It's especially weird to me since it seems that most of the time, it's people who are taking an obvious idiom literally.
Like, "I could care less" means the person doesn't care. Everybody knows that but people still want to complain forever about how it literally means that you do care.
Actually the saying is I couldn't care less. Meaning I care so little it is impossible to care less than I do.
That's the point she was trying to make, lol. People using 'I could care less' instead of 'I couldn't care less' and people playing the grammar police even though they know exactly what the person meant (to be fair - it annoys me too).3 -
"You're not losing weight? Maybe you need to eat more."7
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J9LynnHelton wrote: »nokanjaijo wrote: »jennifer_417 wrote: »None. It actually annoys me how wound up people get over particular phrases.
I agree. It's especially weird to me since it seems that most of the time, it's people who are taking an obvious idiom literally.
Like, "I could care less" means the person doesn't care. Everybody knows that but people still want to complain forever about how it literally means that you do care.
Actually the saying is I couldn't care less. Meaning I care so little it is impossible to care less than I do.
That's the point she was trying to make, lol. People using 'I could care less' instead of 'I couldn't care less' and people playing the grammar police even though they know exactly what the person meant (to be fair - it annoys me too).
Oh, I read it as she thought the saying was"I could care less" and didn't like that people would tell her the saying means people do care (which it does) even though she means it as she doesn't care.0 -
'Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels.' Like hello, why does skinny taste bad and erm, have you tried bacon? Haha8
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Word Crimes - Weird Al Yankovic
I grew up quite poor, but my parents were quite adamant I learn to communicate clearly. Their rigorous training early in my life has been a distinct advantage.
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Cut. (Cut and Bulk). Like you know people who do cardio want to lose weight. People who do weight lifting want to cut. None of that good ol losing weight thing. They cut.
Losing weight and 'cutting' are different goals. 'Cut' is said for brevity. Not sure why you'd be bothered by succinctness.1 -
ActionAnnieJXN wrote: »Way of eating, way of life, or even worse, "WOE" and "WOL", as if the word "diet" is verboten. Call a diet a diet, and it's pretty much guaranteed that some ninny will pop up and say "don't call it a diet!! It's a way of life!!" Good grief. The word "diet" merely refers to the foods one eats, it's not evil.
Also, the ubiquitous lose/loose error, of course.
Oh, THAT'S what that means! I saw WOE somewhere and was wondering why the poster was so sad (woe is me?).4 -
singingflutelady wrote: »"Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels" (skinny isn't a feeling and this is a common pro ana/ana motto)
"A moment in the lips a lifetime in the hips" ( simply not true and also pro ana)
My mother says the "moment on the lips" quote a lot... and then I remind her that I've lost 22 lbs eating pretty much whatever I wanted.4 -
Diet
Eating "Clean"
"Bad" food
I personally don't embrace those terms, IIFM that is OK with me ;-)3 -
J9LynnHelton wrote: »nokanjaijo wrote: »jennifer_417 wrote: »None. It actually annoys me how wound up people get over particular phrases.
I agree. It's especially weird to me since it seems that most of the time, it's people who are taking an obvious idiom literally.
Like, "I could care less" means the person doesn't care. Everybody knows that but people still want to complain forever about how it literally means that you do care.
Actually the saying is I couldn't care less. Meaning I care so little it is impossible to care less than I do.
Both are versions of the saying. They mean the same thing. Language does not actually follow logical rules and get used with sarcasm or words get omitted all the time. Complaining that a particular usage is not strictly logical makes little sense, IMO.
Couple of pieces on that specific usage:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2014/03/18/why_i_could_care_less_is_not_as_irrational_or_ungrammatical_as_you_might.html
http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2016/04/05/the_real_reason_people_say_i_could_care_less.html1 -
pyrusangeles wrote: »I didn't go through all 17 pages, so someone may have already said this, but it kills me when people talk about the need for alkaline water.
I'm just like...
My mom has "silent reflux" which causes her to clear her throat a lot. It sounds like she has hairballs. After she switched to alkaline water, no more hair balls.
So while the general public may not need alkaline water, this is not universally true.2 -
nosebag1212 wrote: »"if you're hungry drink some water, sometimes people confuse thirst for hunger".
This actually happens to people? Pretty sure I can tell the damn difference between thirst and hunger.
Yes, I think I feel hungry when I wake up, but after I start drinking tea it goes away for a few hours. What I really was was thirsty.2 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »dale050467 wrote: »using loose instead of lose
English speaking grammer Nazis who seem to assume that everyone who communicates in English speaks English as a first language and must therefore be perfect at it.
I corrected my mistake Herr Generaloberst.
Huh. Loose and lose. See the thing is they are two different words with two different meanings. It's nothing to do with grammar Nazism - because it isn't grammar. The opposite of loose is tight, the opposite of lose is gain. You might as well say " I want to apricot weight" because it makes as much sense.
I bolded your statement because I fail to understand why you took offence to learning something new - if English is indeed a second language for you then you now know the difference and can use either word correctly in the future. "Ich bien ein berliner" if you see what I mean?
I don't think people actually think that "loose" and "lose" are interchangeable or that "loose" is the right word.
I'm pretty sure it's just a simple typo that their spell-checker/autocorrect doesn't fix.
Same with "weigh" vs "weight."
I doubt people would say "I "weight" myself on Mondays" on purpose. It's just that many words that have "gh" at the end also end with a "t" (weight, height, thought, bought, brought, thought, caught...) so when typing "gh" the fingers habitually hit the "t" key. This doesn't happen to me on my phone when typing with my thumbs but on a keyboard I have to go back all the time and remove the unnecessary "t."
This article has lots of interesting speculation on why "loose" is misused so often. While most are specific to "loose", I particularly like the following. To my chagrin, I have caught myself making more spelling errors since I started participating in online forums where misspellings are rampant.
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-people-confuse-lose-with-loose-or-losing-with-loosing
My guess is that people are not being exposed to as much well-written material as they were before the Internet became their primary source of information. I'm guessing that about 70-90 percent of what we read each day has not been professionally edited.
In "the old days," most, if not all, written material was subject to lots of editing. Books, magazines, newspapers, and advertising are still edited by multiple people before a piece is published. It was relatively rare to see a typo; even today, it's less likely we will see a typo in professionally produced material. (But it seems that this is happening more often as traditional media try to catch up to social media.)
Now, nearly all of what we consume on the Internet via social media and blogs is NOT edited by anyone other than the author, who or may not use a spelling checker. Spelling and grammar checkers don't catch most wrongly used words.
So we are, collectively, exposed to lots of just plain bad writing with poor spelling and misused words. There is no consequence for authors who can't write properly, in fact, there's probably zero correlation to proper grammar and social media popularity.
The only thing that seems to help learn to catch your own errors is to be exposed to LOTs of well-written stuff. The Internet is full of poorly-written stuff. We are, on average, exposed to much more poorly- written stuff than well-written stuff than we were years ago.
And again, even if you are a flawless writer, everyone (myself included) would benefit by having a second (or third) pair of eyes reading our witty tomes before pressing the send button. Such editing is an expensive luxury. Who would you ask to edit your Twitter feed or blog post for you?
And why would you even bother when your grammatically painful writing garners tons of retweets and likes.7 -
kshama2001 wrote: »pyrusangeles wrote: »I didn't go through all 17 pages, so someone may have already said this, but it kills me when people talk about the need for alkaline water.
I'm just like...
My mom has "silent reflux" which causes her to clear her throat a lot. It sounds like she has hairballs. After she switched to alkaline water, no more hair balls.
So while the general public may not need alkaline water, this is not universally true.
You're arguing against someone refuting a general piece of pseudoscience nonsense by referring to a specific treatment for a specific ailment.
Yes, taking in something alkaline can temporarily change the pH of your stomach only and so temporarily relieve symptoms of reflux. The stomach quickly recovers its pH or even overshoots, so it's not the best treatment in the long term, but no-one can argue with the fact that it gives temporary relief.
That is not remotely similar to the woo nonsense idea that you can or should try and permanently change the pH of your whole body in order to improve your general health. That is (a) not possible and (b) potentially lethal if it were.
I think you know that fine well, so I am puzzled why you are trying to muddy the waters when there's so much bad information out there already.6 -
SusanMFindlay wrote: »dale050467 wrote: »using loose instead of lose
English speaking grammer Nazis who seem to assume that everyone who communicates in English speaks English as a first language and must therefore be perfect at it.
I corrected my mistake Herr Generaloberst.
My experience has been that, as a general rule, those for whom English is a second language tend to make sloppy mistakes (like "loose" instead of "lose") far less often than those for whom English is a first language.
If I see the mistake once, I assume it's a typo. If I see it repeatedly, I will tend to assume the writer doesn't care unless there are "tells" that the writer is not a native speaker.
I know lots of ESL people and agree with you that sloppy mistakes are more often made by native speakers. An ESL poster on another forum pointed out this reason for native speakers misusing homophones:
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-native-English-speakers-seem-to-confuse-homophones-more-than-non-native-speakers-when-writing
...Yes, you're correct. Native speakers learn the sound of commonly used words (like pronouns) several years before they know how to spell them, so the homophones all initially start out as the same language unit. Trying to separate out the different spellings from that one language unit later in life requires making distinctions where none existed before. People who learn English as a second language tend to encounter the spelling and sound of words at reasonably close to the same time, and most already have different concepts in their brain for the different homophones to map to. For example, a French speaker learning English may associate "here" with "ici" and "hear" with "écouter", so they'd have an easier time keeping track of the difference between the English homonyms than the native English speaker who associates both "here" and "hear" with sound \ˈhir\.6 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »I don't get why people get so butthurt when someone corrects loose to lose. Are we so delicate as a society that is better to be allowed to be wrong than be corrected and learn? I'd rather learn of a misspelling on MFP than after i put the wrong word in a presentation at work....
On other forums, when people consistently misspelled a word I felt comfortable gently letting them know. However, here on MFP I'm afraid my genuine desire to help would result in me getting mod-spanked as a violation of Community Guideline 1 a.6 -
CattOfTheGarage wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »pyrusangeles wrote: »I didn't go through all 17 pages, so someone may have already said this, but it kills me when people talk about the need for alkaline water.
I'm just like...
My mom has "silent reflux" which causes her to clear her throat a lot. It sounds like she has hairballs. After she switched to alkaline water, no more hair balls.
So while the general public may not need alkaline water, this is not universally true.
You're arguing against someone refuting a general piece of pseudoscience nonsense by referring to a specific treatment for a specific ailment.
Yes, taking in something alkaline can temporarily change the pH of your stomach only and so temporarily relieve symptoms of reflux. The stomach quickly recovers its pH or even overshoots, so it's not the best treatment in the long term, but no-one can argue with the fact that it gives temporary relief.
That is not remotely similar to the woo nonsense idea that you can or should try and permanently change the pH of your whole body in order to improve your general health. That is (a) not possible and (b) potentially lethal if it were.
I think you know that fine well, so I am puzzled why you are trying to muddy the waters when there's so much bad information out there already.
If you expand the quotes, you will see I was responding to a post about "the need for alkaline water" with an example of why alkaline water could be needed.
I was not responding to "the woo nonsense idea that you can or should try and permanently change the pH of your whole body in order to improve your general health."0 -
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paperpudding wrote: »I dont get why - if people posted about women would you say females was a dirty word???
kind of, actually. i get this sense from most of the people who use 'female' that they do feel like somehow being subtly more polite or more suave than by just saying 'woman'. if i'm going by social vibe, it's entirely a euphemism.
so that raises the question about what's going on in the mind of a person who doesn't want to say 'woman' out loud: why not? what's wrong with being a woman? what's wrong with letting it be know that yo'uve noticed someone is a woman? how come using a word that semantically points right at the person's reproductive structure seems less jarring to you? because that's what's so weird to me. that's what 'male' and 'female' both do as far as i know. they define whatever they're applied to entirely by their genitals. it's an animal-breeder's word pair.
aside from that, yeah. a person is not just a trait, so when you call someone 'an' any adjective, i find it faintly belittling. the only exception i can think of right now is nationality. i guess 'a canadian' doesn't bother me much because people are the only order of being that we even bother to organize and define in that way. but calling me 'a female' without adding the word 'human' to it is just . . . a female what?5 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »Seems like a lot of energy out into a word to me. *shrug*
sure, but on the other hand you said you were curious about what made it a thing, so someone took the trouble to unpack it for you.
it's always slightly annoying to be bait-and-switched in that way, so just thought i'd mention this point. still catching up on this thread.
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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »I was going to say, 'to be pedantic for a moment', at the start of this post, and then I realised that implied I had another setting...
Loose is actually already a verb; it's just somewhat archaic at this point. It means... to let go, release. Er, easier to explain in context, probably.
For example:
Legolas loosed his arrows.
We loosed the hounds of war.
yayyyy, a pedantry party. let's cluster in the kitchen where we won't bother the other people.
what's interesting is that we even use 'lose' in the sense of 'lose weight' in the first place. in any other usage i can think of (outside the colloquial), 'lose' carries a negative and unintentional connotation. you lose keys and money. you lose your temper and sometimes your mind. you lose hope. and so on and so on and so forth. but 'lose' weight is neutral at best.
so 'loose' in the archaic sense is almost closer to the spirit of using the phrase. at least in the contexts where it's most common in here. still don't advocate it though. in fact i'm kind of annoyed that i've almost talked my way around to providing a justification for it, when i know perfectly well that most people who say 'loose weight' are merely people who can't or don't bother to spell.
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clicketykeys wrote: »IMO it's inaccurate. Cheating implies that you got something you don't deserve (such as a higher grade on a test) because you didn't earn it fairly.
along the same lines but entirely outside of the theme of this thread, i want to smack every grown adult who ever says 'i'm going to steal [whatever it is]'. no. you are not. you are going to take it, and what's more you're announcing the fact.
it really annoys me, but the underlying cause of my annoyance is cutesiness in any form. so i wanna slide this one in there right along with the on-topic others like 'yummy' and 'cheat'.3 -
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kshama2001 wrote: »My guess is that people are not being exposed to as much well-written material as they were before the Internet became their primary source of information. I'm guessing that about 70-90 percent of what we read each day has not been professionally edited.
I noticed (and was shocked by) the misspelling when the internet was in its infancy, as noted upthread (mid '90s), so my suspicion is that the internet is not responsible for how common the error is, but made people aware of something that many of us were not, before (like much of what the internet has done).2 -
'money sets'. in the weightlifting world.
i'm not saying that this isn't de-connotating work i need to do on my own side. now i think of it, it basically is because there's no objective reason why it has to be so tied to the porn world.
but i know perfectly well what connotation currently - and instantly - comes to my mind when i someone says it. and i always go 'eugh' on the inside.0
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