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mrsmalcolm...with all due respect:
You have created 3 posts with the sole purpose of criticizing a particular group of people on MFP. Even if you feel that your intent is noble, there was no other purpose to your post(s) except to point out with a flaming finger that some people on this site are jerks.
Posting a thread like this (not to say multiple threads) is baiting and encouraging those whom you are referring to jump in and defend themselves, or other people to jump in and defend them--all of which creates a bad feeling of non-solidarity on MFP.
If your original post (for any of the 3 threads) stuck to generalities about respect and 'can't we all just get along' etc, there would not have been such a backlash against your words. By pointing out specific groups as disrespectful and critical, you really just joined their supposed ranks and became hypocritical and your statements became circuitous and pointless.
[For the record I don't believe that there is any bullying being done by anyone as you contest.]
I'm going to go enjoy my weekend now. Which is what we should all do at this point.0 -
Omg you are all so funny. Thx for the entertainment! Remember though - You can't make other people do what you think they should do. Everyone has to run their own race. I think you are all wonderful. Thanks for just being here in this beautiful moment xx0
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There is definitely a "culture" on MFP that demonises cardio...it seems to be if you dont "eat more" and lift then you are doing it all wrong in this "cultures" eyes, even tho cardio and eating less has worked well for people for years. I lost most of my weight doing cardio, with 1 resistance session a week and eating 1200-1800 cals, I found the MFP forums and they have confused the heck out of me. Its taken me a while to realise to ignore the sound around me and go with what Ive previously done and what my gut tells me. So yeh I will do cardio, last night did my first night of insanity, but I will also do some lifting in my PT sessions...and lo and behold I might even eat under my BMR. I go now by what works for me...what my past has shown me works...and all of the above for me worked. We should just respect that people are being active and living healthier lives.
I agree!
This is my third account on MFP and when I joined this time round, I was quite amazed at the Forums and how some were trying to say cardio was, in effect, rubbish. The boards were nothing like this a few years back :frown:
However, I have now realized that it doesn't matter what some people will say about cardio and it's apparent detrimental results, I like cardio, I do cardio and I will continue to do cardio as long as I am able to.
So anybody that tries to inform me that cardio is no good, put that in your pipe, and smoke it! :happy:0 -
However, I have now realized that it doesn't matter what some people will say about cardio and it's apparent detrimental results, I like cardio, I do cardio and I will continue to do cardio as long as I am able to.
So anybody that tries to inform me that cardio is no good, put that in your pipe, and smoke it! :happy:
I agree totally. I love running and anyone tells me that I should stop can do the same. I've yet to meet anyone on the site who would do so though.
I think there's just some fundamental miscommunication somewhere.0 -
No one has told me to quit running, either. Some say cardio ONLY is bad. Some say they, personally, don't do ANY cardio. But that's not the same as saying, "You need to stop running."
On the flip side, though, everyone knows running is "good for you." Since I'd say... mid 1970s? Running has been promoted for weight loss. (I say that because I remember my brother taking up running then, and I don't have any vivid memories from before I was a toddler.) Then came Jane Fonda workouts and Richard Simmons, and aerobics became the hot new exercise.
Weight lifting, at least for women, has been generally ignored. Having tried aerobics, Zumba, yoga, pilates, running (which I still love) and light weight, high rep type lifting, I am still completely amazed at what heavy lifting has done for my body. And places like this site are the ONLY place I hear about it. In my fitness magazines, I see stuff like this:
I did see Lara Spencer and Elizabeth Vargas on Good Morning America doing some barbell work the other day with Hugh Jackman. I did a happy dance! It's just too bad it was "How to look like Wolverine," not "If you're a woman, you won't look like Wolverine, more like Mystique or Storm." They also showed Snookie doing some barbell squats that morning, but as good as she looks now, she's not likely to be anyone's role model. :laugh: No one cares if she looks good and is fit. They want to see her drunk and peeing in a garbage can.
So... yeah. I'm going to keep screaming it from the rooftops. No one HAS to do it. But they should at least try it. Just like I tried everything else.0 -
First off, I know many of you feel like this is beating a dead horse (and maybe it is, I only just made my way to the forums), but hot damn! It's added a lot of entertainment to my morning. A few of you will get friend requests from me!
I'm annoyed as all **** by certain posts on the board, too. There is a LOT of bad information circulating here. I don't mean the controversial stuff: cardio vs. lifting, eating "clean" vs. "dirty," heck even protein shake before vs. after a workout will create arguments. What I mean is bad info like ridonkulous low calorie consumption and "quick" weight loss tips. It makes me cringe out loud and then, because I don't have the time or inclination, I usually leave the boards. No way I can single-handedly convince those determined to fail that they're GOING TO FAIL. Fact is, even if I could, I wouldn't.
OP, you're a total bliss-ninny and attempting to be a board nanny. That will win you no friends on the Big Bad Internet.Typing fast, my apologies for the Brialle, but if anyone wants examples of bullying, just ask Daypul. Not only did he bully several people and myself in my post even while I was agreeing with him. He sought out my latest two posts to criticize me further. He is one of the few who doesn't like when someone disagrees with them.
He was the main person I was referring to. He gave you excellent advice until you made it clear that you didn't want to hear it.
Maybe he thought he was, but he came off like a bully. The crazy thing is when he said lift heavy, I said I would give it a shot. Then when I said how can you give the same advice regardless of goals,he said goals didn't matter, pretty much saying lifting heavy was the only way. He also said bodyweight exercises were a waste of time and criticized several other posters who had suggested pilates and the barre workout. I posted that he and people like him do this form of training a disservice, because their tone and "my way is the only way" attitude doesn't leave room for any other options. It is a turn off.
I haven't posted on any of his topics or anything he as written. I did further research and posted a topic last night to say that lifting heavy is great and so are so many other things. But the bully couldn't be happy with that. Instead he posts a link to a previous thread saying I had my azz handed to me. Yes that is being helpful and supportive. I think not. He is one of a small group who even if you agree with them, you must agree wholeheartedly or you will be criticized and they will stalk your topics.
Hm? This is not my experience of him at all. One time I asked him for advice on a routine for lifting stuff and he sent me a couple of links and even told me where to work them in with my current cardio. Just plain email to the point and that was all. It took me a lot of times to work up the courage too because in the past a different man criticized my eating plan all over the place and so I was gunshy so to speak.
Actually now that I think of it my bar is filled with lifting videos from another nice woman who responded to my request for form videos and it even has amounts for depending on how much you weigh. She got those to me fast too. I beleive in both cases they closed with "if you have any other questions" type language. I find the strong people here to be, strong. Busy. But strong.
Would you be so kind as to share those video links with me? Please?!0 -
There is a LOT of bad information circulating here. I don't mean the controversial stuff: cardio vs. lifting, eating "clean" vs. "dirty," heck even protein shake before vs. after a workout will create arguments. What I mean is bad info like ridonkulous low calorie consumption and "quick" weight loss tips. It makes me cringe out loud and then, because I don't have the time or inclination, I usually leave the boards.
Number one, I also think tatas are magik.
Number two, you may wish to edit your post, as using asterisks in swears are sadly against community guidelines, and these guidelines can be, from time to time, unevenly enforced; no need to get a strike for what is innocuous and non malicious behavior.
Number three, in what I've quote above . . . preach. There are myriad posts daily advocating absurd folk remedies and scientifically invalid snake oil approaches to handling fat. That core misinformation is what truly deserves all the argument and scrutiny in this thread. Strength and cardio are not opposed and no one argues that any individual's approach isn't the correct approach for that individual. To have such controversy and strife over something so mundane and non-controversial is a true shame, and it distracts from the bona-fide terrible advice that floats around here like fungus spoor.
In summary, tatas.0 -
OMG! It's you!
I thought of you the other day because I saw the post of someone who's butt had gotten smaller. I happened to PM it to somebody the link so yay, I found it, I will post it here so you can see how to do it.
I didn't get a chance to read the details because I was in a big rush to go to dinner with the family when I saw it, but I just remember these awesome pictures so I PM'd my friend with them and then forgot about them until I just saw you just now because I remember you were worried about the size of your behind. Luckily they were still there.
If you click the link you'll see it seems like she slimmed down considerably in the hips and glutes area as well as her waist. Maybe you could PM her to ask how she did it since as I said I don't even remember if she wrote her methods on her description or not.
SOrry this message is so sloppy i'm running out the door again to go out to dinner. :flowerforyou:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1053862-look-15-pounds-lighter-in-2-easy-steps-eat-and-lift?hl=eat+and+lift+
Oh hey, I know that girl, and her butt is much tighter and slimmed down. I here she swears by squats with heavy weights.
Hold on, brb, adding pictures of my booty to that thread, once I master the over the shoulder shot.0 -
There is a LOT of bad information circulating here. I don't mean the controversial stuff: cardio vs. lifting, eating "clean" vs. "dirty," heck even protein shake before vs. after a workout will create arguments. What I mean is bad info like ridonkulous low calorie consumption and "quick" weight loss tips. It makes me cringe out loud and then, because I don't have the time or inclination, I usually leave the boards.
Number one, I also think tatas are magik.
Number two, you may wish to edit your post, as using asterisks in swears are sadly against community guidelines, and these guidelines can be, from time to time, unevenly enforced; no need to get a strike for what is innocuous and non malicious behavior.
Number three, in what I've quote above . . . preach. There are myriad posts daily advocating absurd folk remedies and scientifically invalid snake oil approaches to handling fat. That core misinformation is what truly deserves all the argument and scrutiny in this thread. Strength and cardio are not opposed and no one argues that any individual's approach isn't the correct approach for that individual. To have such controversy and strife over something so mundane and non-controversial is a true shame, and it distracts from the bona-fide terrible advice that floats around here like fungus spoor.
In summary, tatas.
Thank you and thanks :flowerforyou:0 -
mrsmalcolm...with all due respect:
You have created 3 posts with the sole purpose of criticizing a particular group of people on MFP. Even if you feel that your intent is noble, there was no other purpose to your post(s) except to point out with a flaming finger that some people on this site are jerks.
Posting a thread like this (not to say multiple threads) is baiting and encouraging those whom you are referring to jump in and defend themselves, or other people to jump in and defend them--all of which creates a bad feeling of non-solidarity on MFP.
If your original post (for any of the 3 threads) stuck to generalities about respect and 'can't we all just get along' etc, there would not have been such a backlash against your words. By pointing out specific groups as disrespectful and critical, you really just joined their supposed ranks and became hypocritical and your statements became circuitous and pointless.
[For the record I don't believe that there is any bullying being done by anyone as you contest.]
I'm going to go enjoy my weekend now. Which is what we should all do at this point.
^^^ this
OP - if the point you wanted to make was that bodyweight exercises and/or metabolic conditioning are possible alternatives to stronglifts and starting strength type beginner powerlifting programmes, you sure as anything could have made those points without, as the above person said, pointing a flaming finger at certain groups on MFP. I just managed to state the whole thing in half a sentence (well, one clause that could have been a sentence in its own right).
Seriously, what you put out comes back to you on this site. If you talk about people on the site in a bad way, you will get ripped to shreds. That's what's happened to you in both the threads of yours that I've seen. You come across as having a MAJOR chip on your shoulder about "heavy lifting" people here, and yes, by coming across like that you will invite people to come here and defend themselves, and some will take the mick. Consider the response you got to be the direct result of what you put out in the first place. There are MANY people here who post about all kinds of different training and they don't get the kind of replies you do, because they manage to put their point of view across without bringing other people down in the process.
And back to heavy lifting... the reason why it gets promoted so much on here, is because most people's goal here is to have a fit, "toned" body, and all the while they're eating too little and doing too much cardio and not seeing the results they want, so the solution to that is to eat more and lift heavy. Yes those words are repeated over and over and over, but it's much more a reflection of the volume of undereating cardio bunnies you get on this site, and the fact that many women who have successfully got the bodies they want from heavy lifting are former undereating cardio bunnies and want to show people how they too can achieve what they want. There are some legitimate alternatives to weightlifting, such as bodyweight programmes that also include a sufficient level of progressive loading, and if you wanted to promote them for people who don't have access to actual weights, you could have done that without accusing all the heavy lifting people here of anything.0 -
Unless someone shows up at your gym and forcibly pulls you off the treadmill and into a squat rack, no one is being bullied into lifting weights. They're suggesting it. They may be suggesting it strongly, but it's still just a suggestion. Just an opinion. I happen to think that opinion and suggestion is damn good, but no one is forcing anyone into anything.
I eat pizza regularly. Thick crust, meat toppings, lots of cheese, and half the pizza. It fits my macros and calories, so why not? I see people saying all the time that pizza is bad for you, that you should only get thin crust with lots of veggies or make a crust out of cauliflower or use a tortilla or lose the cheese or any number of other calorie cutting methods.
Even if they say it directly to me, I don't consider that bullying. It's their opinion. I have a different opinion, and I'm perfectly happy with the results I'm getting eating my thick yummy cheesy meaty pizza, so their opinion doesn't matter. I'm not going to start threads to call out the anti-pizza bullies. (But I might join a pro-pizza conversation!)0 -
There is a LOT of bad information circulating here. I don't mean the controversial stuff: cardio vs. lifting, eating "clean" vs. "dirty," heck even protein shake before vs. after a workout will create arguments. What I mean is bad info like ridonkulous low calorie consumption and "quick" weight loss tips. It makes me cringe out loud and then, because I don't have the time or inclination, I usually leave the boards.
Number one, I also think tatas are magik.
Number two, you may wish to edit your post, as using asterisks in swears are sadly against community guidelines, and these guidelines can be, from time to time, unevenly enforced; no need to get a strike for what is innocuous and non malicious behavior.
Number three, in what I've quote above . . . preach. There are myriad posts daily advocating absurd folk remedies and scientifically invalid snake oil approaches to handling fat. That core misinformation is what truly deserves all the argument and scrutiny in this thread. Strength and cardio are not opposed and no one argues that any individual's approach isn't the correct approach for that individual. To have such controversy and strife over something so mundane and non-controversial is a true shame, and it distracts from the bona-fide terrible advice that floats around here like fungus spoor.
In summary, tatas.
IN!!!!
Oh, rats, I just read much of the rest of the thread, it is sadly not all about tatas
OP, I just have to ask why you have such a huge chip on your shoulder? Yes, there are some people who push lifting pretty heavily (see what I did there? hahaha). One reason for that is that there is quite a bit of poor information and misconceptions about women lifting. Another reason is that so many of us have reaped such huge rewards from it, so we want to share what we've learned and experienced with others. Most of us who advocate for heavy lifting have a history of only doing cardio before finding strength training and incorporating it into our fitness programs. I have never had anyone tell me that running is pointless. Most of the lifters I know also run. Not all, but a good chunk of them.
Cardio doesn't have the same kind of misconceptions surrounding it that heavy lifting for women does. It doesn't need the cheerleaders in the same way. Sure, there are a few outliers who say that running will make for what they consider an unappealing physique. But they are very very few. The number of women, however, who think that heavy lifting will give them the body of Arnold Schwarzenegger is astounding. Hence the need to push for it.
As to DayPul, he in no way could be considered a bully. Ever. He has strong opinions, yes. He also has a lot of knowledge backing those opinions (unless those opinions disagree with me, in which case he's full of it, but still not a bully). He does not just lift, btw, but has an aggressive and well rounded fitness regimen. DayPul has helped many people on this forum, over and over again. Either by PM or by answering their questions on the board. How may have you helped?0 -
There is a LOT of bad information circulating here. I don't mean the controversial stuff: cardio vs. lifting, eating "clean" vs. "dirty," heck even protein shake before vs. after a workout will create arguments. What I mean is bad info like ridonkulous low calorie consumption and "quick" weight loss tips. It makes me cringe out loud and then, because I don't have the time or inclination, I usually leave the boards.
Number one, I also think tatas are magik.
Number two, you may wish to edit your post, as using asterisks in swears are sadly against community guidelines, and these guidelines can be, from time to time, unevenly enforced; no need to get a strike for what is innocuous and non malicious behavior.
Number three, in what I've quote above . . . preach. There are myriad posts daily advocating absurd folk remedies and scientifically invalid snake oil approaches to handling fat. That core misinformation is what truly deserves all the argument and scrutiny in this thread. Strength and cardio are not opposed and no one argues that any individual's approach isn't the correct approach for that individual. To have such controversy and strife over something so mundane and non-controversial is a true shame, and it distracts from the bona-fide terrible advice that floats around here like fungus spoor.
In summary, tatas.
IN!!!!
Oh, rats, I just read much of the rest of the thread, it is sadly not all about tatas
OP, I just have to ask why you have such a huge chip on your shoulder? Yes, there are some people who push lifting pretty heavily (see what I did there? hahaha). One reason for that is that there is quite a bit of poor information and misconceptions about women lifting. Another reason is that so many of us have reaped such huge rewards from it, so we want to share what we've learned and experienced with others. Most of us who advocate for heavy lifting have a history of only doing cardio before finding strength training and incorporating it into our fitness programs. I have never had anyone tell me that running is pointless. Most of the lifters I know also run. Not all, but a good chunk of them.
Cardio doesn't have the same kind of misconceptions surrounding it that heavy lifting for women does. It doesn't need the cheerleaders in the same way. Sure, there are a few outliers who say that running will make for what they consider an unappealing physique. But they are very very few. The number of women, however, who think that heavy lifting will give them the body of Arnold Schwarzenegger is astounding. Hence the need to push for it.
As to DayPul, he in no way could be considered a bully. Ever. He has strong opinions, yes. He also has a lot of knowledge backing those opinions (unless those opinions disagree with me, in which case he's full of it, but still not a bully). He does not just lift, btw, but has an aggressive and well rounded fitness regimen. DayPul has helped many people on this forum, over and over again. Either by PM or by answering their questions on the board. How may have you helped?
I am excited that you have have found heavy lifting and ventured beyond a cardio only routine. I think that is wonderful. Finding something that has worked for you and sharing it is great, turning it into dogma is another thing. I am not saying you are guilty of that nor am I saying that all MFPers are. But there are a group of posters that do this. Even my post a month ago when I asked advice about squats after I said I would take the advice of the lifting heavy proponents, some of those same individuals began to criticize the people who offered different advice. The intent of that post was to get info about squats and booties and even after the question was answered, the post went left field when posters began to criticize women who suggested bodyweight squats, pilates or goal oriented training. these same individuals are not saying an advice post was designed to denigrate the heavy lifting crowd, which is absurd since I initially planned to take their advice and even after I told some of them their behavior was doing this type of training a disservice, I still researched it and gave it consideration.
If you are not part of that climate that perpetuates this attitude then, my post was not directed at you. I am sure that most heavy lifters are great people and incredibly helpful. As I said previously, I respect lifting heavy, metabolic training, whatever you do. I do have a problem with those who feel that there way is the only way, and make it their business to challenge any alternative thought. You may have been helped by Davpul, but I think he is very much part of this crowd that perpetuates this climate in the MFP forum. Perhaps he was helpful to you and others, because you didn't disagree with him.0 -
There is a LOT of bad information circulating here. I don't mean the controversial stuff: cardio vs. lifting, eating "clean" vs. "dirty," heck even protein shake before vs. after a workout will create arguments. What I mean is bad info like ridonkulous low calorie consumption and "quick" weight loss tips. It makes me cringe out loud and then, because I don't have the time or inclination, I usually leave the boards.
Number one, I also think tatas are magik.
Number two, you may wish to edit your post, as using asterisks in swears are sadly against community guidelines, and these guidelines can be, from time to time, unevenly enforced; no need to get a strike for what is innocuous and non malicious behavior.
Number three, in what I've quote above . . . preach. There are myriad posts daily advocating absurd folk remedies and scientifically invalid snake oil approaches to handling fat. That core misinformation is what truly deserves all the argument and scrutiny in this thread. Strength and cardio are not opposed and no one argues that any individual's approach isn't the correct approach for that individual. To have such controversy and strife over something so mundane and non-controversial is a true shame, and it distracts from the bona-fide terrible advice that floats around here like fungus spoor.
In summary, tatas.
IN!!!!
Oh, rats, I just read much of the rest of the thread, it is sadly not all about tatas
OP, I just have to ask why you have such a huge chip on your shoulder? Yes, there are some people who push lifting pretty heavily (see what I did there? hahaha). One reason for that is that there is quite a bit of poor information and misconceptions about women lifting. Another reason is that so many of us have reaped such huge rewards from it, so we want to share what we've learned and experienced with others. Most of us who advocate for heavy lifting have a history of only doing cardio before finding strength training and incorporating it into our fitness programs. I have never had anyone tell me that running is pointless. Most of the lifters I know also run. Not all, but a good chunk of them.
Cardio doesn't have the same kind of misconceptions surrounding it that heavy lifting for women does. It doesn't need the cheerleaders in the same way. Sure, there are a few outliers who say that running will make for what they consider an unappealing physique. But they are very very few. The number of women, however, who think that heavy lifting will give them the body of Arnold Schwarzenegger is astounding. Hence the need to push for it.
As to DayPul, he in no way could be considered a bully. Ever. He has strong opinions, yes. He also has a lot of knowledge backing those opinions (unless those opinions disagree with me, in which case he's full of it, but still not a bully). He does not just lift, btw, but has an aggressive and well rounded fitness regimen. DayPul has helped many people on this forum, over and over again. Either by PM or by answering their questions on the board. How may have you helped?
I am excited that you have have found heavy lifting and ventured beyond a cardio only routine. I think that is wonderful. Finding something that has worked for you and sharing it is great, turning it into dogma is another thing. I am not saying you are guilty of that nor am I saying that all MFPers are. But there are a group of posters that do this. Even my post a month ago when I asked advice about squats after I said I would take the advice of the lifting heavy proponents, some of those same individuals began to criticize the people who offered different advice. The intent of that post was to get info about squats and booties and even after the question was answered, the post went left field when posters began to criticize women who suggested bodyweight squats, pilates or goal oriented training. these same individuals are not saying an advice post was designed to denigrate the heavy lifting crowd, which is absurd since I initially planned to take their advice and even after I told some of them their behavior was doing this type of training a disservice, I still researched it and gave it consideration.
If you are not part of that climate that perpetuates this attitude then, my post was not directed at you. I am sure that most heavy lifters are great people and incredibly helpful. As I said previously, I respect lifting heavy, metabolic training, whatever you do. I do have a problem with those who feel that there way is the only way, and make it their business to challenge any alternative thought. You may have been helped by Davpul, but I think he is very much part of this crowd that perpetuates this climate in the MFP forum. Perhaps he was helpful to you and others, because you didn't disagree with him.
Your logic is a bit off here. His being helpful has nothing to do with whether or not I agreed with him at the time. One way in which he was most helpful was by correcting my misinformation. Agreeing with me when I was wrong would not have been helpful.0 -
There is a LOT of bad information circulating here. I don't mean the controversial stuff: cardio vs. lifting, eating "clean" vs. "dirty," heck even protein shake before vs. after a workout will create arguments. What I mean is bad info like ridonkulous low calorie consumption and "quick" weight loss tips. It makes me cringe out loud and then, because I don't have the time or inclination, I usually leave the boards.
Number one, I also think tatas are magik.
Number two, you may wish to edit your post, as using asterisks in swears are sadly against community guidelines, and these guidelines can be, from time to time, unevenly enforced; no need to get a strike for what is innocuous and non malicious behavior.
Number three, in what I've quote above . . . preach. There are myriad posts daily advocating absurd folk remedies and scientifically invalid snake oil approaches to handling fat. That core misinformation is what truly deserves all the argument and scrutiny in this thread. Strength and cardio are not opposed and no one argues that any individual's approach isn't the correct approach for that individual. To have such controversy and strife over something so mundane and non-controversial is a true shame, and it distracts from the bona-fide terrible advice that floats around here like fungus spoor.
In summary, tatas.
IN!!!!
Oh, rats, I just read much of the rest of the thread, it is sadly not all about tatas
OP, I just have to ask why you have such a huge chip on your shoulder? Yes, there are some people who push lifting pretty heavily (see what I did there? hahaha). One reason for that is that there is quite a bit of poor information and misconceptions about women lifting. Another reason is that so many of us have reaped such huge rewards from it, so we want to share what we've learned and experienced with others. Most of us who advocate for heavy lifting have a history of only doing cardio before finding strength training and incorporating it into our fitness programs. I have never had anyone tell me that running is pointless. Most of the lifters I know also run. Not all, but a good chunk of them.
Cardio doesn't have the same kind of misconceptions surrounding it that heavy lifting for women does. It doesn't need the cheerleaders in the same way. Sure, there are a few outliers who say that running will make for what they consider an unappealing physique. But they are very very few. The number of women, however, who think that heavy lifting will give them the body of Arnold Schwarzenegger is astounding. Hence the need to push for it.
As to DayPul, he in no way could be considered a bully. Ever. He has strong opinions, yes. He also has a lot of knowledge backing those opinions (unless those opinions disagree with me, in which case he's full of it, but still not a bully). He does not just lift, btw, but has an aggressive and well rounded fitness regimen. DayPul has helped many people on this forum, over and over again. Either by PM or by answering their questions on the board. How may have you helped?
I am excited that you have have found heavy lifting and ventured beyond a cardio only routine. I think that is wonderful. Finding something that has worked for you and sharing it is great, turning it into dogma is another thing. I am not saying you are guilty of that nor am I saying that all MFPers are. But there are a group of posters that do this. Even my post a month ago when I asked advice about squats after I said I would take the advice of the lifting heavy proponents, some of those same individuals began to criticize the people who offered different advice. The intent of that post was to get info about squats and booties and even after the question was answered, the post went left field when posters began to criticize women who suggested bodyweight squats, pilates or goal oriented training. these same individuals are not saying an advice post was designed to denigrate the heavy lifting crowd, which is absurd since I initially planned to take their advice and even after I told some of them their behavior was doing this type of training a disservice, I still researched it and gave it consideration.
If you are not part of that climate that perpetuates this attitude then, my post was not directed at you. I am sure that most heavy lifters are great people and incredibly helpful. As I said previously, I respect lifting heavy, metabolic training, whatever you do. I do have a problem with those who feel that there way is the only way, and make it their business to challenge any alternative thought. You may have been helped by Davpul, but I think he is very much part of this crowd that perpetuates this climate in the MFP forum. Perhaps he was helpful to you and others, because you didn't disagree with him.
Your logic is a bit off here. His being helpful has nothing to do with whether or not I agreed with him at the time. One way in which he was most helpful was by correcting my misinformation. Agreeing with me when I was wrong would not have been helpful.
Well if it is wrong to disagree with someone who says bodyweight squats are pointless and goals should not factor into training choices then I guess I'm wrong. If it is wrong to disagree with someone who dismisses the experiences of people who do Piltates or dance or high rep/low weight, then I guess I'm wrong. I don't pretend to now everything about fitness, but I know enough to know that there is more than one road to fitland. Not a controversial concept for most of us, but for some their way is the way and everything else is nonsense.0 -
There is a LOT of bad information circulating here. I don't mean the controversial stuff: cardio vs. lifting, eating "clean" vs. "dirty," heck even protein shake before vs. after a workout will create arguments. What I mean is bad info like ridonkulous low calorie consumption and "quick" weight loss tips. It makes me cringe out loud and then, because I don't have the time or inclination, I usually leave the boards.
Number one, I also think tatas are magik.
Number two, you may wish to edit your post, as using asterisks in swears are sadly against community guidelines, and these guidelines can be, from time to time, unevenly enforced; no need to get a strike for what is innocuous and non malicious behavior.
Number three, in what I've quote above . . . preach. There are myriad posts daily advocating absurd folk remedies and scientifically invalid snake oil approaches to handling fat. That core misinformation is what truly deserves all the argument and scrutiny in this thread. Strength and cardio are not opposed and no one argues that any individual's approach isn't the correct approach for that individual. To have such controversy and strife over something so mundane and non-controversial is a true shame, and it distracts from the bona-fide terrible advice that floats around here like fungus spoor.
In summary, tatas.
IN!!!!
Oh, rats, I just read much of the rest of the thread, it is sadly not all about tatas
OP, I just have to ask why you have such a huge chip on your shoulder? Yes, there are some people who push lifting pretty heavily (see what I did there? hahaha). One reason for that is that there is quite a bit of poor information and misconceptions about women lifting. Another reason is that so many of us have reaped such huge rewards from it, so we want to share what we've learned and experienced with others. Most of us who advocate for heavy lifting have a history of only doing cardio before finding strength training and incorporating it into our fitness programs. I have never had anyone tell me that running is pointless. Most of the lifters I know also run. Not all, but a good chunk of them.
Cardio doesn't have the same kind of misconceptions surrounding it that heavy lifting for women does. It doesn't need the cheerleaders in the same way. Sure, there are a few outliers who say that running will make for what they consider an unappealing physique. But they are very very few. The number of women, however, who think that heavy lifting will give them the body of Arnold Schwarzenegger is astounding. Hence the need to push for it.
As to DayPul, he in no way could be considered a bully. Ever. He has strong opinions, yes. He also has a lot of knowledge backing those opinions (unless those opinions disagree with me, in which case he's full of it, but still not a bully). He does not just lift, btw, but has an aggressive and well rounded fitness regimen. DayPul has helped many people on this forum, over and over again. Either by PM or by answering their questions on the board. How may have you helped?
I am excited that you have have found heavy lifting and ventured beyond a cardio only routine. I think that is wonderful. Finding something that has worked for you and sharing it is great, turning it into dogma is another thing. I am not saying you are guilty of that nor am I saying that all MFPers are. But there are a group of posters that do this. Even my post a month ago when I asked advice about squats after I said I would take the advice of the lifting heavy proponents, some of those same individuals began to criticize the people who offered different advice. The intent of that post was to get info about squats and booties and even after the question was answered, the post went left field when posters began to criticize women who suggested bodyweight squats, pilates or goal oriented training. these same individuals are not saying an advice post was designed to denigrate the heavy lifting crowd, which is absurd since I initially planned to take their advice and even after I told some of them their behavior was doing this type of training a disservice, I still researched it and gave it consideration.
If you are not part of that climate that perpetuates this attitude then, my post was not directed at you. I am sure that most heavy lifters are great people and incredibly helpful. As I said previously, I respect lifting heavy, metabolic training, whatever you do. I do have a problem with those who feel that there way is the only way, and make it their business to challenge any alternative thought. You may have been helped by Davpul, but I think he is very much part of this crowd that perpetuates this climate in the MFP forum. Perhaps he was helpful to you and others, because you didn't disagree with him.
Your logic is a bit off here. His being helpful has nothing to do with whether or not I agreed with him at the time. One way in which he was most helpful was by correcting my misinformation. Agreeing with me when I was wrong would not have been helpful.
DavPul has told me I should include cardio...so....what is he perpetuating? He is the one that leads by example and his workouts include various cardio as well as trx suspension training and lifting. Hell, he even does yoga and has given me links to free yoga workouts that I can incorporate into mine.
I think you just locked your sights onto someone who most certainly "looks" like he lifts heavy, has advised others who are interested in body recomp and who has been an active member on MFP and just decided to target him so you had a specific name to your skewed cause.
Which is against the CG, by the way, as it targets a user and is considered gossip. Not to mention defamation of character and in this specific circumstance, is an example of what cyber bullying actually would be.0 -
Well if it is wrong to disagree with someone who says bodyweight squats are pointless and goals should not factor into training choices then I guess I'm wrong. If it is wrong to disagree with someone who dismisses the experiences of people who do Piltates or dance or high rep/low weight, then I guess I'm wrong. I don't pretend to now everything about fitness, but I know enough to know that there is more than one road to fitland. Not a controversial concept for most of us, but for some their way is the way and everything else is nonsense.
He said that bodyweight squats are hard on the knees. Which I agree with. In the number of reps of bodyweight squats you'd need to do to see any kind of results, that's going to be hard on the knees. I see people doing the "100 squat challenge," and all I can think is "Who has time for that?!" I'd rather knock out my 25 weighted squats and be done with it.
He also didn't dismiss the experience of those who do pillates, dance, etc., he dismissed the notion that it "makes your legs longer" or "creates long lean muscles." Also, gotta agree there. My muscle is fixed to my bone in two spots. It's not going to get any longer. And muscle is already lean by definition.
What he said and what you read are two different things.0 -
There is a LOT of bad information circulating here. I don't mean the controversial stuff: cardio vs. lifting, eating "clean" vs. "dirty," heck even protein shake before vs. after a workout will create arguments. What I mean is bad info like ridonkulous low calorie consumption and "quick" weight loss tips. It makes me cringe out loud and then, because I don't have the time or inclination, I usually leave the boards.
Number one, I also think tatas are magik.
Number two, you may wish to edit your post, as using asterisks in swears are sadly against community guidelines, and these guidelines can be, from time to time, unevenly enforced; no need to get a strike for what is innocuous and non malicious behavior.
Number three, in what I've quote above . . . preach. There are myriad posts daily advocating absurd folk remedies and scientifically invalid snake oil approaches to handling fat. That core misinformation is what truly deserves all the argument and scrutiny in this thread. Strength and cardio are not opposed and no one argues that any individual's approach isn't the correct approach for that individual. To have such controversy and strife over something so mundane and non-controversial is a true shame, and it distracts from the bona-fide terrible advice that floats around here like fungus spoor.
In summary, tatas.
IN!!!!
Oh, rats, I just read much of the rest of the thread, it is sadly not all about tatas
OP, I just have to ask why you have such a huge chip on your shoulder? Yes, there are some people who push lifting pretty heavily (see what I did there? hahaha). One reason for that is that there is quite a bit of poor information and misconceptions about women lifting. Another reason is that so many of us have reaped such huge rewards from it, so we want to share what we've learned and experienced with others. Most of us who advocate for heavy lifting have a history of only doing cardio before finding strength training and incorporating it into our fitness programs. I have never had anyone tell me that running is pointless. Most of the lifters I know also run. Not all, but a good chunk of them.
Cardio doesn't have the same kind of misconceptions surrounding it that heavy lifting for women does. It doesn't need the cheerleaders in the same way. Sure, there are a few outliers who say that running will make for what they consider an unappealing physique. But they are very very few. The number of women, however, who think that heavy lifting will give them the body of Arnold Schwarzenegger is astounding. Hence the need to push for it.
As to DayPul, he in no way could be considered a bully. Ever. He has strong opinions, yes. He also has a lot of knowledge backing those opinions (unless those opinions disagree with me, in which case he's full of it, but still not a bully). He does not just lift, btw, but has an aggressive and well rounded fitness regimen. DayPul has helped many people on this forum, over and over again. Either by PM or by answering their questions on the board. How may have you helped?
I am excited that you have have found heavy lifting and ventured beyond a cardio only routine. I think that is wonderful. Finding something that has worked for you and sharing it is great, turning it into dogma is another thing. I am not saying you are guilty of that nor am I saying that all MFPers are. But there are a group of posters that do this. Even my post a month ago when I asked advice about squats after I said I would take the advice of the lifting heavy proponents, some of those same individuals began to criticize the people who offered different advice. The intent of that post was to get info about squats and booties and even after the question was answered, the post went left field when posters began to criticize women who suggested bodyweight squats, pilates or goal oriented training. these same individuals are not saying an advice post was designed to denigrate the heavy lifting crowd, which is absurd since I initially planned to take their advice and even after I told some of them their behavior was doing this type of training a disservice, I still researched it and gave it consideration.
If you are not part of that climate that perpetuates this attitude then, my post was not directed at you. I am sure that most heavy lifters are great people and incredibly helpful. As I said previously, I respect lifting heavy, metabolic training, whatever you do. I do have a problem with those who feel that there way is the only way, and make it their business to challenge any alternative thought. You may have been helped by Davpul, but I think he is very much part of this crowd that perpetuates this climate in the MFP forum. Perhaps he was helpful to you and others, because you didn't disagree with him.
Your logic is a bit off here. His being helpful has nothing to do with whether or not I agreed with him at the time. One way in which he was most helpful was by correcting my misinformation. Agreeing with me when I was wrong would not have been helpful.
DavPul has told me I should include cardio...so....what is he perpetuating? He is the one that leads by example and his workouts include various cardio as well as trx suspension training and lifting. Hell, he even does yoga and has given me links to free yoga workouts that I can incorporate into mine.
I think you just locked your sights onto someone who most certainly "looks" like he lifts heavy, has advised others who are interested in body recomp and who has been an active member on MFP and just decided to target him so you had a specific name to your skewed cause.
Which is against the CG, by the way, as it targets a user and is considered gossip. Not to mention defamation of character and in this specific circumstance, is an example of what cyber bullying actually would be.
You are talking about the same person who on my previous post which had absolutely nothing to do with him, posted:
"Came in here expecting a new thread. Got in here and see OP is just trying to rehash an old thread where she literally got her *kitten* handed to her.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1025714-squats-and-big-booties
Been there, done that.
I'm outta here "
Which is interesting because prior to that post it was a positive discussion. So if you want to talk guidelines, he hijacked that post which is why it took a negative turn. His name gets mentioned because he has directed remarks to me personally, It is great that you want to stand up for your friend. I don't know him from Adam. My only interaction with him has been the posts he has made on my topics. I don't know nor do I care what his training regimen is. I have no reason to target him for how he looks, his words paint a much more detailed picture.0 -
There is a LOT of bad information circulating here. I don't mean the controversial stuff: cardio vs. lifting, eating "clean" vs. "dirty," heck even protein shake before vs. after a workout will create arguments. What I mean is bad info like ridonkulous low calorie consumption and "quick" weight loss tips. It makes me cringe out loud and then, because I don't have the time or inclination, I usually leave the boards.
Number one, I also think tatas are magik.
Number two, you may wish to edit your post, as using asterisks in swears are sadly against community guidelines, and these guidelines can be, from time to time, unevenly enforced; no need to get a strike for what is innocuous and non malicious behavior.
Number three, in what I've quote above . . . preach. There are myriad posts daily advocating absurd folk remedies and scientifically invalid snake oil approaches to handling fat. That core misinformation is what truly deserves all the argument and scrutiny in this thread. Strength and cardio are not opposed and no one argues that any individual's approach isn't the correct approach for that individual. To have such controversy and strife over something so mundane and non-controversial is a true shame, and it distracts from the bona-fide terrible advice that floats around here like fungus spoor.
In summary, tatas.
IN!!!!
Oh, rats, I just read much of the rest of the thread, it is sadly not all about tatas
OP, I just have to ask why you have such a huge chip on your shoulder? Yes, there are some people who push lifting pretty heavily (see what I did there? hahaha). One reason for that is that there is quite a bit of poor information and misconceptions about women lifting. Another reason is that so many of us have reaped such huge rewards from it, so we want to share what we've learned and experienced with others. Most of us who advocate for heavy lifting have a history of only doing cardio before finding strength training and incorporating it into our fitness programs. I have never had anyone tell me that running is pointless. Most of the lifters I know also run. Not all, but a good chunk of them.
Cardio doesn't have the same kind of misconceptions surrounding it that heavy lifting for women does. It doesn't need the cheerleaders in the same way. Sure, there are a few outliers who say that running will make for what they consider an unappealing physique. But they are very very few. The number of women, however, who think that heavy lifting will give them the body of Arnold Schwarzenegger is astounding. Hence the need to push for it.
As to DayPul, he in no way could be considered a bully. Ever. He has strong opinions, yes. He also has a lot of knowledge backing those opinions (unless those opinions disagree with me, in which case he's full of it, but still not a bully). He does not just lift, btw, but has an aggressive and well rounded fitness regimen. DayPul has helped many people on this forum, over and over again. Either by PM or by answering their questions on the board. How may have you helped?
I am excited that you have have found heavy lifting and ventured beyond a cardio only routine. I think that is wonderful. Finding something that has worked for you and sharing it is great, turning it into dogma is another thing. I am not saying you are guilty of that nor am I saying that all MFPers are. But there are a group of posters that do this. Even my post a month ago when I asked advice about squats after I said I would take the advice of the lifting heavy proponents, some of those same individuals began to criticize the people who offered different advice. The intent of that post was to get info about squats and booties and even after the question was answered, the post went left field when posters began to criticize women who suggested bodyweight squats, pilates or goal oriented training. these same individuals are not saying an advice post was designed to denigrate the heavy lifting crowd, which is absurd since I initially planned to take their advice and even after I told some of them their behavior was doing this type of training a disservice, I still researched it and gave it consideration.
If you are not part of that climate that perpetuates this attitude then, my post was not directed at you. I am sure that most heavy lifters are great people and incredibly helpful. As I said previously, I respect lifting heavy, metabolic training, whatever you do. I do have a problem with those who feel that there way is the only way, and make it their business to challenge any alternative thought. You may have been helped by Davpul, but I think he is very much part of this crowd that perpetuates this climate in the MFP forum. Perhaps he was helpful to you and others, because you didn't disagree with him.
Your logic is a bit off here. His being helpful has nothing to do with whether or not I agreed with him at the time. One way in which he was most helpful was by correcting my misinformation. Agreeing with me when I was wrong would not have been helpful.
DavPul has told me I should include cardio...so....what is he perpetuating? He is the one that leads by example and his workouts include various cardio as well as trx suspension training and lifting. Hell, he even does yoga and has given me links to free yoga workouts that I can incorporate into mine.
I think you just locked your sights onto someone who most certainly "looks" like he lifts heavy, has advised others who are interested in body recomp and who has been an active member on MFP and just decided to target him so you had a specific name to your skewed cause.
Which is against the CG, by the way, as it targets a user and is considered gossip. Not to mention defamation of character and in this specific circumstance, is an example of what cyber bullying actually would be.
You are talking about the same person who on my previous post which had absolutely nothing to do with him, posted:
"Came in here expecting a new thread. Got in here and see OP is just trying to rehash an old thread where she literally got her *kitten* handed to her.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1025714-squats-and-big-booties
Been there, done that.
I'm outta here "
Which is interesting because prior to that post it was a positive discussion. So if you want to talk guidelines, he hijacked that post which is why it took a negative turn. His name gets mentioned because he has directed remarks to me personally, It is great that you want to stand up for your friend. I don't know him from Adam. My only interaction with him has been the posts he has made on my topics. I don't know nor do I care what his training regimen is. I have no reason to target him for how he looks, his words paint a much more detailed picture.
And he was wrong in what he said how? Also, I think you are being oversensitive. Not only that, you can't blame one person because your attempts didn't go the way you planned.
And I remember that thread and reread it. I suggest everyone take a look because it isn't as the OP is putting it out to be0 -
There is a LOT of bad information circulating here. I don't mean the controversial stuff: cardio vs. lifting, eating "clean" vs. "dirty," heck even protein shake before vs. after a workout will create arguments. What I mean is bad info like ridonkulous low calorie consumption and "quick" weight loss tips. It makes me cringe out loud and then, because I don't have the time or inclination, I usually leave the boards.
Number one, I also think tatas are magik.
Number two, you may wish to edit your post, as using asterisks in swears are sadly against community guidelines, and these guidelines can be, from time to time, unevenly enforced; no need to get a strike for what is innocuous and non malicious behavior.
Number three, in what I've quote above . . . preach. There are myriad posts daily advocating absurd folk remedies and scientifically invalid snake oil approaches to handling fat. That core misinformation is what truly deserves all the argument and scrutiny in this thread. Strength and cardio are not opposed and no one argues that any individual's approach isn't the correct approach for that individual. To have such controversy and strife over something so mundane and non-controversial is a true shame, and it distracts from the bona-fide terrible advice that floats around here like fungus spoor.
In summary, tatas.
IN!!!!
Oh, rats, I just read much of the rest of the thread, it is sadly not all about tatas
OP, I just have to ask why you have such a huge chip on your shoulder? Yes, there are some people who push lifting pretty heavily (see what I did there? hahaha). One reason for that is that there is quite a bit of poor information and misconceptions about women lifting. Another reason is that so many of us have reaped such huge rewards from it, so we want to share what we've learned and experienced with others. Most of us who advocate for heavy lifting have a history of only doing cardio before finding strength training and incorporating it into our fitness programs. I have never had anyone tell me that running is pointless. Most of the lifters I know also run. Not all, but a good chunk of them.
Cardio doesn't have the same kind of misconceptions surrounding it that heavy lifting for women does. It doesn't need the cheerleaders in the same way. Sure, there are a few outliers who say that running will make for what they consider an unappealing physique. But they are very very few. The number of women, however, who think that heavy lifting will give them the body of Arnold Schwarzenegger is astounding. Hence the need to push for it.
As to DayPul, he in no way could be considered a bully. Ever. He has strong opinions, yes. He also has a lot of knowledge backing those opinions (unless those opinions disagree with me, in which case he's full of it, but still not a bully). He does not just lift, btw, but has an aggressive and well rounded fitness regimen. DayPul has helped many people on this forum, over and over again. Either by PM or by answering their questions on the board. How may have you helped?
I am excited that you have have found heavy lifting and ventured beyond a cardio only routine. I think that is wonderful. Finding something that has worked for you and sharing it is great, turning it into dogma is another thing. I am not saying you are guilty of that nor am I saying that all MFPers are. But there are a group of posters that do this. Even my post a month ago when I asked advice about squats after I said I would take the advice of the lifting heavy proponents, some of those same individuals began to criticize the people who offered different advice. The intent of that post was to get info about squats and booties and even after the question was answered, the post went left field when posters began to criticize women who suggested bodyweight squats, pilates or goal oriented training. these same individuals are not saying an advice post was designed to denigrate the heavy lifting crowd, which is absurd since I initially planned to take their advice and even after I told some of them their behavior was doing this type of training a disservice, I still researched it and gave it consideration.
If you are not part of that climate that perpetuates this attitude then, my post was not directed at you. I am sure that most heavy lifters are great people and incredibly helpful. As I said previously, I respect lifting heavy, metabolic training, whatever you do. I do have a problem with those who feel that there way is the only way, and make it their business to challenge any alternative thought. You may have been helped by Davpul, but I think he is very much part of this crowd that perpetuates this climate in the MFP forum. Perhaps he was helpful to you and others, because you didn't disagree with him.
Your logic is a bit off here. His being helpful has nothing to do with whether or not I agreed with him at the time. One way in which he was most helpful was by correcting my misinformation. Agreeing with me when I was wrong would not have been helpful.
DavPul has told me I should include cardio...so....what is he perpetuating? He is the one that leads by example and his workouts include various cardio as well as trx suspension training and lifting. Hell, he even does yoga and has given me links to free yoga workouts that I can incorporate into mine.
I think you just locked your sights onto someone who most certainly "looks" like he lifts heavy, has advised others who are interested in body recomp and who has been an active member on MFP and just decided to target him so you had a specific name to your skewed cause.
Which is against the CG, by the way, as it targets a user and is considered gossip. Not to mention defamation of character and in this specific circumstance, is an example of what cyber bullying actually would be.
You are talking about the same person who on my previous post which had absolutely nothing to do with him, posted:
"Came in here expecting a new thread. Got in here and see OP is just trying to rehash an old thread where she literally got her *kitten* handed to her.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1025714-squats-and-big-booties
Been there, done that.
I'm outta here "
Which is interesting because prior to that post it was a positive discussion. So if you want to talk guidelines, he hijacked that post which is why it took a negative turn. His name gets mentioned because he has directed remarks to me personally, It is great that you want to stand up for your friend. I don't know him from Adam. My only interaction with him has been the posts he has made on my topics. I don't know nor do I care what his training regimen is. I have no reason to target him for how he looks, his words paint a much more detailed picture.
And he was wrong in what he said how? Also, I think you are being oversensitive. Not only that, you can't blame one person because your attempts didn't go the way you planned.
And I remember that thread and reread it. I suggest everyone take a look because it isn't as the OP is putting it out to be
Agreed.
OP - you keep rehashing the same topic. I am wondering why? To what purpose? Who is it helping?0 -
11 pages already?0
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Holy crap this is still going on?!?!0
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So far, the list of people who are doing this horrible awful thing (trashing any exercise besides "heavy lifting") is as follows:
DayPul
However, I haven't seen any actual examples of where he has actually done this...
...but have seen several accounts of where he has done the opposite.
So the only thing left to bring full closure to this thread would be either the OP providing actual examples...
...or apologizing for unfairly and incorrectly calling out DavPul.
(Well, that or making yet another thread with the same baseless accusations.)0 -
So the only thing left to bring full closure to this thread would be either the OP providing actual examples...
...or apologizing for unfairly and incorrectly calling out DavPul.
JOF YOU COPYCAT BULLY! Earlier in the thread I quite clearly said (in bold no less)
"Either go back, find a quote, and make a liar out of him, or admit that your fantasizing about this supposed persecution conspiracy."
I am litigating for copyright infringement, uhm, pain and suffering, and moral . . . uhm . . . derpitude.0 -
So the only thing left to bring full closure to this thread would be either the OP providing actual examples...
...or apologizing for unfairly and incorrectly calling out DavPul.
JOF YOU COPYCAT BULLY! Earlier in the thread I quite clearly said (in bold no less)
"Either go back, find a quote, and make a liar out of him, or admit that your fantasizing about this supposed persecution conspiracy."
I am litigating for copyright infringement, uhm, pain and suffering, and moral . . . uhm . . . derpitude.
Some people stalk other random users in the forums telling everyone either you're lifting heavy or you're doing it entirely wrong...
...and others find good posts in long threads and rephrase them once the thread looks like it's dead.
We all have our own callings. You have to find what works for you and go with that...
Everyone is different...
...and we are all here for the same reason.0 -
Hey, has the OP ventured into the New Squats and Big Booties? I feel like it could be educational, and is no way mocking her at all and is in fact merely a celebration of women who had changed to way their butts look with (in most cases) heavy squats. Not a single bulky butt to be seen, btw.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1057517-squats-and-big-booties-redux0 -
Hey, has the OP ventured into the New Squats and Big Booties? I feel like it could be educational, and is no way mocking her at all and is in fact merely a celebration of women who had changed to way their butts look with (in most cases) heavy squats. Not a single bulky butt to be seen, btw.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1057517-squats-and-big-booties-redux
It was a good read. (As if I did any reading with all those pictures!)0 -
Hey, has the OP ventured into the New Squats and Big Booties? I feel like it could be educational, and is no way mocking her at all and is in fact merely a celebration of women who had changed to way their butts look with (in most cases) heavy squats. Not a single bulky butt to be seen, btw.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1057517-squats-and-big-booties-redux
I thoroughly enjoyed the post. A very celebratory and supportive environment where women who did heavy weight, moderate weight, body weight and even half squats could feel proud of their journey and progress so far. Nice to see no one telling anyone that their workouts were pointless, but offering suggestions for progression when they are ready. Kudos to you on a great topic and as I mentioned earlier, congrats on your success so far, good luck as you continue your journey0 -
Hey, has the OP ventured into the New Squats and Big Booties? I feel like it could be educational, and is no way mocking her at all and is in fact merely a celebration of women who had changed to way their butts look with (in most cases) heavy squats. Not a single bulky butt to be seen, btw.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1057517-squats-and-big-booties-redux
I thoroughly enjoyed the post. A very celebratory and supportive environment where women who did heavy weight, moderate weight, body weight and even half squats could feel proud of their journey and progress so far. Nice to see no one telling anyone that their workouts were pointless, but offering suggestions for progression when they are ready. Kudos to you on a great topic and as I mentioned earlier, congrats on your success so far, good luck as you continue your journey
Because these posts straight out don't exist...
...except in your sensationalistic attempts to create drama.
Period.0 -
Hey, has the OP ventured into the New Squats and Big Booties? I feel like it could be educational, and is no way mocking her at all and is in fact merely a celebration of women who had changed to way their butts look with (in most cases) heavy squats. Not a single bulky butt to be seen, btw.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1057517-squats-and-big-booties-redux
I thoroughly enjoyed the post. A very celebratory and supportive environment where women who did heavy weight, moderate weight, body weight and even half squats could feel proud of their journey and progress so far. Nice to see no one telling anyone that their workouts were pointless, but offering suggestions for progression when they are ready. Kudos to you on a great topic and as I mentioned earlier, congrats on your success so far, good luck as you continue your journey
Because these posts straight out don't exist...
...except in your sensationalistic attempts to create drama.
Period.
"You want an effective leg exercise? That means squats. And heavy squats. Bodyweight squats are a waste of time "
Those aren't my words. I guess if you do bodyweight squats you are wasting your time. I think that depends on your goals. I have done both. On Chelled's topic many women said they are doing bodyweight squats, some even said they were doing half squat, she never told them not to bother. She did offer progressive techniques, but didn't judge them. If I am just trying to create drama, then there wouldn't be a post every month or so about how mean some people can be here. That climate is very real. However, majority of MFP users are friendly, supportive and a great resource to have and there is also a great deal of camaraderie in the group forums.0
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