Diet Coke, friend or foe?
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Ericnutrition wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Except your body produces glucose even if you don't eat it.
You can lower your blood sugar by decreasing sugar and grain consumption. Works very well for those diagnosed with pre-Type 2 diabetes.
You lower your requirement for insulin by decreasing sugar and grain consumption. Nevertheless, many T2's have their highest sugar numbers in the morning, the "dawn phenomenon", when the liver dumps sugar in to the blood stream after the nightly fast. Where did that sugar come from?0 -
cerise_noir wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »No, it's not healthy. It's basically a bunch of chemicals mixed together to be sinfully addictive & wonderful. I'm a believer in real, organic food, but I'm addicted to diet mt dew....I allow myself one a day. We can't be saints. Everything in moderation.
So you didn't bother to read the whole thread?
In particular, this link?
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary
There is nothing "scientific" about this thread. It is simply one MFP user's long-winded opinion, and because he has a scientific background, and it goes along with the pro artificial sweetener mentality, it gets posted over and over to prove that it is safe. I truly don't understand how this thread is "scientific" and articles that get posted against artificial sweeteners are all "unscientific"?
*headdesk*
JHRC....
I have no idea what JHRC means. I know it is probably derogatory, but that's all I know.janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
Not here to debate, but to add my personal opinion like 200 other people on this thread.
I'm not debating you, I'm pointing out a flaw in the construction of your statement. Whether one is health conscious or "just weight loss conscious," Diet Coke is an acceptable choice.
But in my opinion, Diet drinks are not healthy. The originator of this post, asked for opinions not just scientific evidence. I will not retract my opinion because it's mine. You have your opinions and I have the right to mine.
My mother is a 3 time cancer survivor. When it came back the 3rd time, I researched everything I could about why this was occuring in our society. What I realized was that Food Matters. The oncologist told us that it didn't matter what my mother ate during her chemo, just that she ate. I call bullspit on that. We start feeding her the most nutrious foods that we could find. We watched her nutrition chart like a hawk and when she was dipping on one nutrient, we pumped her full of it. The Dr couldn't believe how well she came out of her chemo treatments because they pumped her full of heavy chemo. They asked us 'what are you doing?', because they couldn't believe that nutrition could make that kind of difference.
Food is not the only thing that matters, but it is the biggest variable that I can control. I choose to put only food, that feeds my body what it needs to stay healthy, in it. And yes I'm here on this forum because I'm fat. I love food and I have eaten way too much of it, but I am working on that.
I agree with your post. Food is fuel for your body and if you feed it crap, it will run like crap. I talk to a lot of different people at my job. I spoke to one lady who had MS. She failed every test her doctor gave her because her MS was so bad. She did research and found info that said gluten could have an effect on MS. She cut out all gluten and went 100% organic. 8 months later when she went back to the doctor she passed every test the doc gave her. He said he had never seen MS reverse. Her scans were almost completely clear. So has this been proven that it is effective against certain disease? No it hasn't, but you can't take her results away from her. I for one believe in food effecting the body in more ways that simply calories.
Absolutely nobody here is denying that food impacts the body in more ways than calories. This is a ridiculous strawman you've propped up here.4 -
Ericnutrition wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Except your body produces glucose even if you don't eat it.
You can lower your blood sugar by decreasing sugar and grain consumption. Works very well for those diagnosed with pre-Type 2 diabetes.
You lower your requirement for insulin by decreasing sugar and grain consumption. Nevertheless, many T2's have their highest sugar numbers in the morning, the "dawn phenomenon", when the liver dumps sugar in to the blood stream after the nightly fast. Where did that sugar come from?
It doesn't matter where it came from. That is not relevant to my point.
Many or most people diagnosed as being pre-Type 2 can stop it in its tracks by giving up or greatly reducing grains and sugar for a relatively short period of time (exercise helps).
What does this have to do with Diet Coke?5 -
I am a T2 in remission from significant weight loss and a re-wiring of my digestive tract. I eat grains and sugar. I also drink an abundance of sugar free diet sodas because of my many years as a T2 diabetic. Sugar free sodas help a lot.4
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Ericnutrition wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Except your body produces glucose even if you don't eat it.
You can lower your blood sugar by decreasing sugar and grain consumption. Works very well for those diagnosed with pre-Type 2 diabetes.
You lower your requirement for insulin by decreasing sugar and grain consumption. Nevertheless, many T2's have their highest sugar numbers in the morning, the "dawn phenomenon", when the liver dumps sugar in to the blood stream after the nightly fast. Where did that sugar come from?
It doesn't matter where it came from. That is not relevant to my point.
Many or most people diagnosed as being pre-Type 2 can stop it in its tracks by giving up or greatly reducing grains and sugar for a relatively short period of time (exercise helps). losing weight
Fixed it for you7 -
Ericnutrition wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Except your body produces glucose even if you don't eat it.
You can lower your blood sugar by decreasing sugar and grain consumption. Works very well for those diagnosed with pre-Type 2 diabetes.
You lower your requirement for insulin by decreasing sugar and grain consumption. Nevertheless, many T2's have their highest sugar numbers in the morning, the "dawn phenomenon", when the liver dumps sugar in to the blood stream after the nightly fast. Where did that sugar come from?
It doesn't matter where it came from. That is not relevant to my point.
Many or most people diagnosed as being pre-Type 2 can stop it in its tracks by giving up or greatly reducing grains and sugar for a relatively short period of time (exercise helps). losing weight
Fixed it for you
The ADA recommends a low-carb diet (probably not low enough) for pre-Type 2's and Type 2's. Look it up. But hey, what do they know?
Incredible how advise from a poster who agrees with what one believes in is taken as a given, when it can be easily refuted.
ADA or random poster. You decide.
And yes, sugar and grains do not cause diabetes. The major correlation is obesity.
But once you are diagnosed with pre-Type 2, and if you don't want to take insulin for the rest of your life, sugar and grains should be reduced as much as possible.
If you think you know more than the ADA, more power to you.
American Dental Association? What's that got to do with diabetes?
Assuming you meant the Diabetes association, Wrong again.
http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/diagnosis/Preventing Type 2 Diabetes
You will not develop type 2 diabetes automatically if you have prediabetes. For some people with prediabetes, early treatment can actually return blood glucose levels to the normal range.
Research shows that you can lower your risk for type 2 diabetes by 58% by:
•Losing 7% of your body weight (or 15 pounds if you weigh 200 pounds)
•Exercising moderately (such as brisk walking) 30 minutes a day, five days a week
Don't worry if you can't get to your ideal body weight. Losing even 10 to 15 pounds can make a huge difference.
You really work hard at this being wrong thing.
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Why are low carb diets for diabetics being discussed on a thread about diet soda?
I don't much like Coke so I've never tried Coke Zero. I get diet Coke if needs must when out at a restaurant or something like that.
My soda of choice these days is diet Cranberry Canada Dry. I really like diet Dr. Pepper a lot and would probably drink that more often if my local store sold the caffeine free version.4 -
Ericnutrition wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Except your body produces glucose even if you don't eat it.
You can lower your blood sugar by decreasing sugar and grain consumption. Works very well for those diagnosed with pre-Type 2 diabetes.
You lower your requirement for insulin by decreasing sugar and grain consumption. Nevertheless, many T2's have their highest sugar numbers in the morning, the "dawn phenomenon", when the liver dumps sugar in to the blood stream after the nightly fast. Where did that sugar come from?
It doesn't matter where it came from. That is not relevant to my point.
Many or most people diagnosed as being pre-Type 2 can stop it in its tracks by giving up or greatly reducing grains and sugar for a relatively short period of time (exercise helps). losing weight
Fixed it for you
The ADA recommends a low-carb diet (probably not low enough) for pre-Type 2's and Type 2's. Look it up. But hey, what do they know?
Incredible how advise from a poster who agrees with what one believes in is taken as a given, when it can be easily refuted.
ADA or random poster. You decide.
And yes, sugar and grains do not cause diabetes. The major correlation is obesity.
But once you are diagnosed with pre-Type 2, and if you don't want to take insulin for the rest of your life, sugar and grains should be reduced as much as possible.
If you think you know more than the ADA, more power to you.
Wrong again - go look at any meal plan recommended by the ADA - NONE of them are low carb.
To keep this on topic - if I must drink a soda, I'd go with diet A&W (but I only drink about 3 sodas a year so not a lot of input here).3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »CarlDuffin1 wrote: »What's the difference between Coke Zero and Diet Coke - apart from the different label?
They taste different. I like diet Coke and cannot stand Coke Zero. (The latter may taste more like actual Coke, which I also hate.)
I guess Coke Zero is now Coke Zero Sugar? I saw someone buying a 6 pack the other day.
My stepdad is the same way. He loves the taste of Diet Coke and hates Coke Zero because it tastes so different.
I, on the other hand, am fine with the taste of Diet Coke, but prefer Coke Zero because it does taste more like regular Coca-Cola.
Coke Zero was a reformulation of Diet Coke to make it taste more like regular Coke. Market research found that many people preferred the taste of Diet, and wanting to avoid another New Coke/Coke Classic fiasco, it was introduced alongside Diet instead of replacing it.
Coke Zero Sugar is mostly a marketing gimmick. Since sugar is the devil at the moment, they rebranded it to make it clear that it has zero sugar. It was supposedly tweaked to be even closer tasting to regular, but if there's any difference it's too subtle for me to tell.
Personally, I prefer regular Coke, but drink Coke Zero because it's close enough. I used to hate Diet, but have grown to tolerate it when Zero isn't available.
I *feel* like Coke Zero Sugar tastes slightly different to me, but I can't put my finger on why. And it might just be my mind being tricked by the different label.
It tastes different to me, too. I think it's the aftertaste - Coke Zero always had that weird fake-sweet aftertaste, and Coke Zero Sugar doesn't seem to.0 -
Ericnutrition wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Except your body produces glucose even if you don't eat it.
You can lower your blood sugar by decreasing sugar and grain consumption. Works very well for those diagnosed with pre-Type 2 diabetes.
You lower your requirement for insulin by decreasing sugar and grain consumption. Nevertheless, many T2's have their highest sugar numbers in the morning, the "dawn phenomenon", when the liver dumps sugar in to the blood stream after the nightly fast. Where did that sugar come from?
It doesn't matter where it came from. That is not relevant to my point.
Many or most people diagnosed as being pre-Type 2 can stop it in its tracks by giving up or greatly reducing grains and sugar for a relatively short period of time (exercise helps). losing weight
Fixed it for you
The ADA recommends a low-carb diet (probably not low enough) for pre-Type 2's and Type 2's. Look it up. But hey, what do they know?
Incredible how advise from a poster who agrees with what one believes in is taken as a given, when it can be easily refuted.
ADA or random poster. You decide.
And yes, sugar and grains do not cause diabetes. The major correlation is obesity.
But once you are diagnosed with pre-Type 2, and if you don't want to take insulin for the rest of your life, sugar and grains should be reduced as much as possible.
If you think you know more than the ADA, more power to you.
http://www.diabetes.org/mfa-recipes/about-our-meal-plans.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/Moderate-carbohydrate (about 45% of calories come from carbohydrate)
Carbohydrate intake is spread throughout the day.
Most meals have 45-60 grams of carbohydrate.
Most snacks have 10-25 grams of carbohydrate.
We also provide tips on how to adjust each meal plan to make it lower in carbohydrates.
I wouldn't consider 45% of calories from carbohydrates to be low carb...0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »No, it's not healthy. It's basically a bunch of chemicals mixed together to be sinfully addictive & wonderful. I'm a believer in real, organic food, but I'm addicted to diet mt dew....I allow myself one a day. We can't be saints. Everything in moderation.
So you didn't bother to read the whole thread?
In particular, this link?
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary
There is nothing "scientific" about this thread. It is simply one MFP user's long-winded opinion, and because he has a scientific background, and it goes along with the pro artificial sweetener mentality, it gets posted over and over to prove that it is safe. I truly don't understand how this thread is "scientific" and articles that get posted against artificial sweeteners are all "unscientific"?
*headdesk*
JHRC....
I have no idea what JHRC means. I know it is probably derogatory, but that's all I know.janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
Not here to debate, but to add my personal opinion like 200 other people on this thread.
I'm not debating you, I'm pointing out a flaw in the construction of your statement. Whether one is health conscious or "just weight loss conscious," Diet Coke is an acceptable choice.
But in my opinion, Diet drinks are not healthy. The originator of this post, asked for opinions not just scientific evidence. I will not retract my opinion because it's mine. You have your opinions and I have the right to mine.
My mother is a 3 time cancer survivor. When it came back the 3rd time, I researched everything I could about why this was occuring in our society. What I realized was that Food Matters. The oncologist told us that it didn't matter what my mother ate during her chemo, just that she ate. I call bullspit on that. We start feeding her the most nutrious foods that we could find. We watched her nutrition chart like a hawk and when she was dipping on one nutrient, we pumped her full of it. The Dr couldn't believe how well she came out of her chemo treatments because they pumped her full of heavy chemo. They asked us 'what are you doing?', because they couldn't believe that nutrition could make that kind of difference.
Food is not the only thing that matters, but it is the biggest variable that I can control. I choose to put only food, that feeds my body what it needs to stay healthy, in it. And yes I'm here on this forum because I'm fat. I love food and I have eaten way too much of it, but I am working on that.
I agree with your post. Food is fuel for your body and if you feed it crap, it will run like crap. I talk to a lot of different people at my job. I spoke to one lady who had MS. She failed every test her doctor gave her because her MS was so bad. She did research and found info that said gluten could have an effect on MS. She cut out all gluten and went 100% organic. 8 months later when she went back to the doctor she passed every test the doc gave her. He said he had never seen MS reverse. Her scans were almost completely clear. So has this been proven that it is effective against certain disease? No it hasn't, but you can't take her results away from her. I for one believe in food effecting the body in more ways that simply calories.
Absolutely nobody here is denying that food impacts the body in more ways than calories. This is a ridiculous strawman you've propped up here.
Yes foods impact your body. My point is, there is no "official scientific evidence" that suggests gluten plays a roll in MS, yet this individual essentially reversed her MS by changing and avoiding certain foods. The FDA does not back this, yet it worked for her (and a few of her friends). I'm just saying that sometimes science doesn't always get it right because new findings and evidence is always coming out. The artificial sweetener industry is HUGE in every aspect...it would take a lot for the FDA to come out and say anything negative about them (if there is something negative to say). Money plays a huge roll in everything.11 -
janejellyroll wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »No, it's not healthy. It's basically a bunch of chemicals mixed together to be sinfully addictive & wonderful. I'm a believer in real, organic food, but I'm addicted to diet mt dew....I allow myself one a day. We can't be saints. Everything in moderation.
So you didn't bother to read the whole thread?
In particular, this link?
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary
There is nothing "scientific" about this thread. It is simply one MFP user's long-winded opinion, and because he has a scientific background, and it goes along with the pro artificial sweetener mentality, it gets posted over and over to prove that it is safe. I truly don't understand how this thread is "scientific" and articles that get posted against artificial sweeteners are all "unscientific"?
*headdesk*
JHRC....
I have no idea what JHRC means. I know it is probably derogatory, but that's all I know.janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
Not here to debate, but to add my personal opinion like 200 other people on this thread.
I'm not debating you, I'm pointing out a flaw in the construction of your statement. Whether one is health conscious or "just weight loss conscious," Diet Coke is an acceptable choice.
But in my opinion, Diet drinks are not healthy. The originator of this post, asked for opinions not just scientific evidence. I will not retract my opinion because it's mine. You have your opinions and I have the right to mine.
My mother is a 3 time cancer survivor. When it came back the 3rd time, I researched everything I could about why this was occuring in our society. What I realized was that Food Matters. The oncologist told us that it didn't matter what my mother ate during her chemo, just that she ate. I call bullspit on that. We start feeding her the most nutrious foods that we could find. We watched her nutrition chart like a hawk and when she was dipping on one nutrient, we pumped her full of it. The Dr couldn't believe how well she came out of her chemo treatments because they pumped her full of heavy chemo. They asked us 'what are you doing?', because they couldn't believe that nutrition could make that kind of difference.
Food is not the only thing that matters, but it is the biggest variable that I can control. I choose to put only food, that feeds my body what it needs to stay healthy, in it. And yes I'm here on this forum because I'm fat. I love food and I have eaten way too much of it, but I am working on that.
I agree with your post. Food is fuel for your body and if you feed it crap, it will run like crap. I talk to a lot of different people at my job. I spoke to one lady who had MS. She failed every test her doctor gave her because her MS was so bad. She did research and found info that said gluten could have an effect on MS. She cut out all gluten and went 100% organic. 8 months later when she went back to the doctor she passed every test the doc gave her. He said he had never seen MS reverse. Her scans were almost completely clear. So has this been proven that it is effective against certain disease? No it hasn't, but you can't take her results away from her. I for one believe in food effecting the body in more ways that simply calories.
Absolutely nobody here is denying that food impacts the body in more ways than calories. This is a ridiculous strawman you've propped up here.
Yes foods impact your body. My point is, there is no "official scientific evidence" that suggests gluten plays a roll in MS, yet this individual essentially reversed her MS by changing and avoiding certain foods. The FDA does not back this, yet it worked for her (and a few of her friends). I'm just saying that sometimes science doesn't always get it right because new findings and evidence is always coming out. The artificial sweetener industry is HUGE in every aspect...it would take a lot for the FDA to come out and say anything negative about them (if there is something negative to say). Money plays a huge roll in everything.
I'm always fascinated by the people who argue that we should pay a lot of attention to N=1 situations, but disregard "science" because it doesn't always "get it right."
Yes, the scientific community doesn't know everything there is to know and we're always adjusting and correcting what we know about things. That doesn't mean that the scientific method isn't a useful way to determine knowledge and make decisions or that we should disregard established knowledge to make all decisions based on stories of people we meet while at work.
The fact that the scientific community is constantly open to revising what was previously known should give us *more* confidence in the scientific method, not less. But what you seem to be suggesting is that since they haven't yet reached infallibility, we might as well disregard everything they have to say.12 -
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People are so insular on a www site!
It's not just the FDA that regards diet drinks as safe - how many of the FDA equivalents in the c. 195 countries across the world have banned Diet Coke (or similar)?
Balance that against "Ah yes but my Aunty Jane's best friends niece's husband saw a post on Facebook about diabeetus........".
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People are so insular on a www site!
It's not just the FDA that regards diet drinks as safe - how many of the FDA equivalents in the c. 195 countries across the world have banned Diet Coke (or similar)?
Balance that against "Ah yes but my Aunty Jane's best friends niece's husband saw a post on Facebook about diabeetus........".
The cognitive dissonance is strong. But the plural of "anecdote" is not "data" and "n=1" does not translate to "n=all".7 -
Why isn't Diet RC Cola getting any love in here??
Or Diet Summit Cola from ALDI? That stuff is actually pretty delicious and super low in sodium.0 -
cerise_noir wrote: »
If a discussion about this is causing you too become so exasperated, maybe you should take a break...just saying.
As I've said, I'm not trying to prove that artificial sweeteners are harmful, I'm simply saying that you can't say with such certainty that they are safe. I couldn't care less that you drink them...go for it, more power to you. This is an Internet forum which brings with it a variety of opinions. I am from the side that happens to choose to not consume them so I voice that opinion. There are studies that validate my opinion if you look just as there are studies that validate that they are safe.
http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/48/5/1139
The only thing I have a problem with is that people here are saying with out a doubt aspartame is 100% safe. That claim cannot be made just as the claim can't be made that they are 100% harmful.
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