Paleo vs Plant based vs low calorie?
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So... OP.
You have a bunch of women telling you that their nutritional data accords with what *da-dum* Science *tish* says should happen. I dont think it's reasonable to think we're all mistaken.
You, presumably, would like to eat more. If you trust your logging and your results, then you should see a doctor again and up your exercise. I'm not saying the latter will be easy, but sometimes the easy option doesn't exist.
Set an alarm, and go for a short walk every hour. Start skipping indoors where it's cool, after work, to ridiculous dance music. Sit on a stability ball to watch TV. Do leg exercises under the desk. Dance and bounce around like a March hare as you prepare food. In a word, fidget.1 -
On the first point, most of what I eat is natural food made from scratch, very few packaged foods (maybe one item, once a week). I also weigh the scoop size it recommends on the protein powder box so I know what is an accurate portion. Any other ingredients I add (like skimmed milk, half a small banana etc) get weighed/measured.
2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
3rd point, as I said before, there are bound to be people with a fast metabolism for whatever reason and carrying very little fat/a high % of muscle who can eat a lot and maintain.
I had an under desk cycle, was pretty poor! Once it starts to cool down again in September I'll start upping my walking again and by that point I should be able to lift heavier weights so I'm hoping that will speed things up.
I've stayed quiet reading this whole thing but this brought me out of lurking.
I'm shorter than you, I'm older than you (by more than a decade), I weigh less than you, and I lose eating 1800 calories.
Why? Because I love running and work hard every day to get better at it. Why? Because I have psoriatic arthritis and get up every hour and walk around for 10-15 minutes so my joints don't stiffen up. I burn a lot of calories every day. I strength train a few times a week to support my running habit.
I eat to fuel my running habit.
I do not have an eating disorder, hidden or otherwise. I also don't "skip meals when not in company". I skip breakfast as part of my intermittent fasting pattern of eating, but I still eat my full calorie allotment every day.
This comment has to be one of the saltier things I've ever read on these forums.9 -
I'm curious how tall you are? Is it possible that you are already within a healthy weight range? It's harder to lose when there's not much to lose, and it sounds like your thyroid probably does contribute, even if you're not technically hypothyroid.0
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texteach66 wrote: »I'm curious how tall you are? Is it possible that you are already within a healthy weight range? It's harder to lose when there's not much to lose, and it sounds like your thyroid probably does contribute, even if you're not technically hypothyroid.
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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Keep your cool. You're an MFP veteran, and this kind of attitude is pretty common.diannethegeek wrote: »On the first point, most of what I eat is natural food made from scratch, very few packaged foods (maybe one item, once a week). I also weigh the scoop size it recommends on the protein powder box so I know what is an accurate portion. Any other ingredients I add (like skimmed milk, half a small banana etc) get weighed/measured.
2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
3rd point, as I said before, there are bound to be people with a fast metabolism for whatever reason and carrying very little fat/a high % of muscle who can eat a lot and maintain.
I had an under desk cycle, was pretty poor! Once it starts to cool down again in September I'll start upping my walking again and by that point I should be able to lift heavier weights so I'm hoping that will speed things up.
Wow. I eat 2200 calories to maintain and 1700-1800 when I want to lose. Did you just accuse everyone who can eat more than 1000 calories of having a hidden eating disorder or flatout lying to you right now?
TBH, I think this is one of those gender differences in dieting- women are more likely to have been brought up to see eating like a bird in public as necessary and to worry about being thought of as 'greedy'.
This is not this OP's first rodeo with posting here. I remember her from before when I posted under my old user name. Same song and dance, she can't lose weight despite her low calories and work outs, and talking to her she says she does everything right and she won't share anything meaningful.
I didn't enter this thread because I've had discussions with her in the past and knew they were all pointless.
The comment about the rest of us not logging meals and having eating disorders caused me to post.
Even outliers only deviate from the norm by so much, but she would truly defy even those parameters going by what she says, yet we're the ones who have to be wrong in what we're saying.
This conversation ended pretty much the way I thought it would.7 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »57 here. And I maintain at 1800 calories.
55 later this month. At my current activity level, I'd maintain at around 2200.4 -
Well I just wanted to say that seeing all these posts from women in their 40s and 50s who are eating over 2000 per day is inspirational! My maintenance hovers around 1700 but i know I'm a lazy *kitten*. I can do more and I could eat a little better, and based on all these posts I can move that number up! Before I found mfp, I totally believed that you had to eat nothing but salads and take supplements after 35 lol. :flowerforyou:4
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Someone claiming to eat less than 1200 calories per day?
Who is also getting upset and tetchy because people are trying to help her but not telling her what she wants to hear?
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When I said 'little' I meant small framed, not a 'Little Person' (as being British have never heard that term so didn't meant to offend anyone). When I'm lean, or at least when I was the leanest I've ever been which is about 25% body fat I was a UK size 6-8 (which I believe is a US 4-6). To most people that is 'little' and was just given as an example of how small framed I am. At my current weight I'm a 10-12 (US 8-10) and that's carrying 10-15% more body fat than I should be ie. a disproportionate amount of fat. My waist is still 28 inches which is not large at all, but that gives you an idea of my shape/build.
I already do weight training and have done on and off for the last 15 years, usually 3 times a week (when I say on and off I mean depending on how good my back is as it plays up from time to time). I also do low intensity cardio most days (either walking at a reasonable pace or on the Xtrainer or Treadmill).
I have no knowledge of having PCOS though I did have a cyst removed about 3 years ago. In terms of metabolic issues I'm unsure as I don't have anything which has been diagosed. I've been on the pill for many years and I stopped that for a year to see if it would help with my weight loss but it didn't.
I really don't know why I have so many issues losing weight and can't maintain my weight by eating a normal diet (or what most people tell me I 'should' be eating for my size/activity level). I find it extremely frustrating and upsetting but as I mentioned earlier in this post my own theory is that I have borderline thyroid issues which I can't get medication to treat as they are only borderline, my body also seems to hold onto fat very easily and gains fat easily and added to that there's my age. My mother has the exact same issues as I do with weight, she's taller than me and much lighter but that's mostly through severely restricting her food intake ie. tiny portion sizes on the whole and very low cal snacks. She is also quite active.
Perhaps if I had more muscle/less fat my body would become more efficient and I hope that happens but until then I need to find a way to get the fat off.
What frustrates me the most is that I hardly ever drink and if I do I'll have 1-3 drinks at the most, every 3-4 weeks. I also rarely eat desserts (perhaps once every fortnight but I'm very conscious of the size and how many calories I'm eating in that dessert), I exercise daily unlike many others and I still struggle so much. As I said before, my home based desk job probably doesn't help either, but other than what I'm doing already I can't see what else I can do.
I also wish people would believe me when I tell them I eat 800-1000 calories most days and weigh and measure everything! There are days when I don't count (such as at the weekend) but my diet is really not vastly different to during the week. Most weekends I'll skip breakfast as I get up late, have a reasonably large lunch and often just a snack for dinner. At most I'm eating 1300-1500 calories, but even factoring that in as a maximum and working on 1000 maximum for the other days (which is more than the reality) that's still only around 1150 calories per day on average.
I stick to what I said before ie. we are not all made the same. I also believe that there are a lot of people who eat in ways that would not be considered 'normal' or 'healthy' but they are not underweight or ill! The more people I speak to about this the more I hear stories of supposedly naturally thin people eating vlcd or skipping whole days of food in order to maintain a lean body weight etc. I honestly don't believe that everyone who is overweight is that way due to overeating. Some of us just need to eat less to be lean but because of all the information we're given and what we're told about minimum calorie numbers etc. often people are too scared to reduce calories and live with being larger. I'm not prepared to live like that so I have no choice but to eat less, like it or not.
I have a lot of active friends (of around my height ie. between 5 foot 2 and 4), who have active jobs where they're on their feet all day and who also exercise on top of that by running or cycling most days, but some also do weight training or go to gym classes too. Those people are mostly very lean, most of them eat extremely healthily, only eat small portions and drink alcohol infrequently, they skip meals if they don't exercise to compensate for burning less calories and they are all around the weight I want to get back to ie. about 120-125lbs. I have yet to meet a very active female who eats more than 1200-1500 calories a day.
I'm 4'11" and 120lbs and I net approximately 1400 calories a day and consume between 1600 and 2000 calories on most days.6 -
HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Keep your cool. You're an MFP veteran, and this kind of attitude is pretty common.diannethegeek wrote: »On the first point, most of what I eat is natural food made from scratch, very few packaged foods (maybe one item, once a week). I also weigh the scoop size it recommends on the protein powder box so I know what is an accurate portion. Any other ingredients I add (like skimmed milk, half a small banana etc) get weighed/measured.
2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
3rd point, as I said before, there are bound to be people with a fast metabolism for whatever reason and carrying very little fat/a high % of muscle who can eat a lot and maintain.
I had an under desk cycle, was pretty poor! Once it starts to cool down again in September I'll start upping my walking again and by that point I should be able to lift heavier weights so I'm hoping that will speed things up.
Wow. I eat 2200 calories to maintain and 1700-1800 when I want to lose. Did you just accuse everyone who can eat more than 1000 calories of having a hidden eating disorder or flatout lying to you right now?
TBH, I think this is one of those gender differences in dieting- women are more likely to have been brought up to see eating like a bird in public as necessary and to worry about being thought of as 'greedy'.
The OP has been here since 2013 so not exactly a newbie.2 -
MommaGem2017 wrote: »Someone claiming to eat less than 1200 calories per day?
Who is also getting upset and tetchy because people are trying to help her but not telling her what she wants to hear?
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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »All in all, I think your perception of 'very active' is off. Could this be contributing to your slower-than-desired progress?
Consider also, that you're not spending a whole week, as in 24/7, in company with several very active women who aren't dieting, to see what very active women at healthy weights eat over the course of an average week.
This is what I was going to say. We must have differing definitions of "active". Particularly saying that she knows very active women who show no real muscle, but are thin. They aren't interested in fitness and health (and certainly not strength); they're interested in being skinny.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I'm thinking maybe you are underestimating what "very active" is...
The women I know who eat like birdies aren't really trying to be fit...they're trying to be skinny.
Didn't mean to piggyback there... Just saw that you posted pretty much the same thing I did.0 -
Firstly, to answer all those who like to 'read between the lines' and not what was actually said, I was not referring to anyone on here, I admire all of you who are able to be fit and eat pretty much what they want, that's great. I am talking about those people who appear slim and who seem to be able to eat unhealthily in any quantity when the reality is we really don't have any idea what they do the rest of the time, whether they are actually able to do so, how many meals they eat, their level of exercise etc.
As for not listening to anyone's advice, that's not at all true either, I just don't like the attitude of some in this community who insist you're logging incorrectly and say you can't possible have to eat that little etc. It's not always as simple as a maths equation.
There have been lots of useful comments, many of which I'll take on board like cutting down on meat and eating more fruit and veg. I'll also make a conscious effort to try and fit in a few more steps here and there by getting up earlier etc.
I wish I was in a position to get more testing done at a University or elsewhere, I'll look into possibly going back to uk to do it possibly. It has been a problem for me for a long time now and as someone who has counted calories on and off for several years it's definitely becoming more and more difficult.
Unfortunately there are always those who like to think they're right, most of the comments have been really helpful however and it's been really interesting hearing about your individual journeys.
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2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
This is so incredibly relative to the individual, however. My maintenance is north of 3000kcal, but I'm a big guy. I like to stay around 215-225, and I'm active. Even if I'm sitting around gathering dust, my daily energy needs and eating might seem like "eating loads", when it's really just me eating what I'm supposed to to maintain.1 -
This pretty much sums up this whole debate
https://youtu.be/5Ua-WVg1SsA 6 -
OP you also mentioned about metabolism. it all has to do with your height,weight,age,activity level.lean mass % and so on.someone with say your same stats who maybe more active will burn more calories so they can eat more.if someone is younger than you but is your height and weight and active like you may lose weight faster. everyone is different and everyones BMR(what your body burns to function without exercise IE-in a coma) is different also.
I was thin all my life until I stopped being as active and started eating more calories and stopped one of my meds that boosted my metabolism a bit.after that the weight started piling on. The point is never compare yourself to others including with weight loss. and if you have eaten any period of times very low calories then its possible you have adaptive thermogenesis .and if you try to eat more of course you will gain but its usually only for a short time. you may need to take a diet break if you have been eating low calories for more than 6 months without a break,. it can help with your hormones too. most recommend having a diet break 2 weeks out of every few months.
you can try taking a break and then get back to it or have tests run. its your call. But anytime you up; calories,you will gain but it doesnt mean fat gain.you can also try being a bit more active when you can. there are several things you can do and try if you cant afford tests being done.0 -
giefspamnao wrote: »This pretty much sums up this whole debatehttps://youtu.be/5Ua-WVg1SsA
This is great.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Keep your cool. You're an MFP veteran, and this kind of attitude is pretty common.diannethegeek wrote: »On the first point, most of what I eat is natural food made from scratch, very few packaged foods (maybe one item, once a week). I also weigh the scoop size it recommends on the protein powder box so I know what is an accurate portion. Any other ingredients I add (like skimmed milk, half a small banana etc) get weighed/measured.
2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
3rd point, as I said before, there are bound to be people with a fast metabolism for whatever reason and carrying very little fat/a high % of muscle who can eat a lot and maintain.
I had an under desk cycle, was pretty poor! Once it starts to cool down again in September I'll start upping my walking again and by that point I should be able to lift heavier weights so I'm hoping that will speed things up.
Wow. I eat 2200 calories to maintain and 1700-1800 when I want to lose. Did you just accuse everyone who can eat more than 1000 calories of having a hidden eating disorder or flatout lying to you right now?
TBH, I think this is one of those gender differences in dieting- women are more likely to have been brought up to see eating like a bird in public as necessary and to worry about being thought of as 'greedy'.
This is not this OP's first rodeo with posting here. I remember her from before when I posted under my old user name. Same song and dance, she can't lose weight despite her low calories and work outs, and talking to her she says she does everything right and she won't share anything meaningful.
I didn't enter this thread because I've had discussions with her in the past and knew they were all pointless.
The comment about the rest of us not logging meals and having eating disorders caused me to post.
Even outliers only deviate from the norm by so much, but she would truly defy even those parameters going by what she says, yet we're the ones who have to be wrong in what we're saying.
This conversation ended pretty much the way I thought it would.
LOL. That's almost exactly what I said - but I figured it wasn't worth it. Maybe I should have just left it up. 1-2 times per year, pretty much this same thread (details may be slightly different, but overall the same) is made by OP. Argues with everyone and never takes advice given.7
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