Of refeeds and diet breaks
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livingleanlivingclean wrote: »And no answers for me.... The Dr is less interested in my hormone levels at the moment, and more concerned with my blood panels. Apparently I have to be bleeding from somewhere, and she's surprised I haven't noticed anything in terms of blood loss, or fatigue, or dizziness etc. I have a referral for endoscopy/colonoscopy, but due to not having private health insurance it could take a while to see someone.
That sucks! I've been in a similar situation and the message of "hey--you likely have internal bleeding that could have serious side effects and health implications, but just keep bleeding for months while you wait for an appointment so you can start finding out what's going on."
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Christine_72 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »MegaMooseEsq wrote: »
Hearing about all this delicious fruit in the middle of a Minnesota winter is making my eyes water! Although at least clementines are back in season, which are a big favorite of mine.
VintageFeline wrote: »Do you know, I didn't have pavlova. Actually, it would be more accurate to say I don't remember having pavlova because my memory is fooked so I might have done and not know.
You need to come back then.
Jandals (which I hate with a firey passion).
I had to Google what Jandals were, I've never heard that term. I live in thongs (flipflops) pretty much year round, I even take my walks in them. I don't even own a pair of sneakers
I hadn’t heard that term either. I’m the opposite when it comes to shoes - I wear boots 100% of the time in winter and probably 80% of the time in summer, not counting when I’m working out. I used to wear heels to work maybe a third of the time, but stopped when I started getting knee twinges and now it’s boots all the way down. I just ordered some Keds to wear for circuit training instead of going barefoot, bringing my exercise shoe count up to three including my running shoes and the old running shoes I use to walk in outdoors when there isn’t snow on the ground. This seems like a lot of shoes just for exercise, but I’ll definitely use them all.1 -
And once again, I'm behind. Brace yourselves for the flurry of somewhat behind commentary ... I'm eight pages behind
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »dancefit2015 wrote: »@Nony_Mouse love the dresses, especially the Doctor Who one! I want to go re-watch some favorite episodes now! I haven't thought about that show in a while.
I also have this one: http://www.planetretro.co.nz/store/p203/Doctor_Who_"Exploding_Tardis"_-_Audrey_Dress.html
And this print in the same style as the Nightmare before Christmas dress: http://www.planetretro.co.nz/store/p202/Doctor_Who_"Across_Time_&_Space"_Tardis_-_Audrey_Dress.html
So cute! I love love the exploding tardis dress! I need to find one.
These are made for this store, but they will probably ship internationally. Their sizing is hella flattering too, cos vintage patterns. I'm as XS. My Exploding Tardis one is really roomy, though is meant to be worn as a looser fit I think.
Vintage sizing would be a lot smaller than modern. I collect (and use) vintage patterns. UK to vintage is two sizes difference (and so alarmingly 4 sizes with US). If you're anything above a 28" waist you're probably going to be grading patterns that are vintage.
Also, I concur on the jandals, anything with a toe post, what are those people's feet made of that they don't destroy them!?
They are flip flops here and I loathe them. I wear them... this isn't joking ... to cross the street from our hotel to the beach and back again ... when we're on vacation. That's it. And it's only because they're cheap and the sand washes off.
We call them flipflops too but can interchange with jandal 'cos I lived there innit. It's the stuff all up in my toes I can't do. I have tried. Because cheap. But no. I love a sandal, I just don't love, or should I say my cripplingly sore between toes don't love a flipflop.1 -
@livingleanlivingclean - As long as the machine is calibrated and you are coming in at right time - very accurate.
When a unit on truck drives up to the gym for free or cheap readings, or a mall - be wary.
They know full well that if people hadn't planned - they are invalid readings - no food for at minimum 4 hrs, longer is better because if still digesting food - you are expiring CO2 purely for that reason, not only the metabolizing of fuel. And no working out day prior is better too - no higher metabolism dealing with repair or replenishment.
So going to gym for free/cheap readings means they know they are bad - and likely haven't calibrated their unit, or are about to and want to get some final money in before that process.
I wouldn't trust a place like that even if they did just do the process and I'm first the next morning. Who knows what other sloppy stuff they'll be doing?
Now, if gym required signup and gave you sheet for what was required of you - eh, maybe. I'd still ask if they ever went to the mall or some corp business office and ran spur-the-moment tests for people.
Mine has always been at the start of a VO2max test, so sitting not reclining, and 5 min not 15, and tons of wires hanging off body instead of just nice face mask. But I calm down quick, if HR is indication, so I figure pretty decent even if not true RMR.
And since at hospital heart unit - very immovable unit.
Good to know. I had mine done before my VO2 max as well and they were quite firm on the instructions about eating, drinking and exercising beforehand when I set up the appointment. They talked about how the calibrate the machines. I had it done at the campus's fitness lab. Interestingly enough, my RMR was 25% higher than the average for my age, gender, weight and height. I wonder how that intersects with my hypothyroidism.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I had to come back to this because....
Okay, my poor little fetus is exposed to da ebil carbs.
After the little darling is born I, being a good mom, feed him/her a healthy diet.
Say the kid grows up to be a health nut and keeps eating a well balanced diet.
According to our good friend Tim there, too bad, so sad, he was exposed in utero to da ebil carbs, so he/she is doomed to have insulin resistance no matter what and will just HAVE to eat low carb because reasons.
Do I have this BS straight?
So I can blame my mother?? (not that I have IR, but, y'know, if I did it's clearly her fault)
Speaking of mother, I just found a pair of trousers that were hers in my search for the purple jeans (which I obviously finally gave up on at some point). Genuine 60s, she had them around the time my parents got married, when she was 18. They fit, though way tight around my upper legs, I guess women in the 60s didn't have quads. I should probably not tell her this. I always loved them, though even if they did fit comfortably probably wouldn't wear b/c I just can't do high waists.
I am ALL about the high waist. Not in a 90s mom jeans way though. Hence my not being in the least bit sad to have nothing of my youthful fashion endeavors in my possession.1 -
So question, probably ridiculous, but what the hell. My body temperature (core temperature?) is around 97.5. Does being about a degree below average have any significant impact on BMR? I'm always cold, but I've been that way my whole adult life no matter what my weight, so I'm not sure that would apply.
I read an article a few years ago by some guy who figured the reason we're getting fatter is because civilization has made us too warm. He was advocating going without a coat in winter, sleeping naked with no covers (you'll get used to it!), cold showers, keeping the house temperature cold, stuff like that to speed up the metabolism. According to him, being cold all the time would keep you naturally lean. At the time I actually believed his story, and I still figured if the trade for being thin was spending my life in freezing hell, I'd live with fat, thank you very much.
I am like that, too. I'm usually around 97. My doctors have massive notes in my files because even a slight (100-101) fever for a "normal" person could be much more serious for me. I never thought about it in relation to metabolism. ***Sees 25% higher RMR disappearing before her eyes ...
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VintageFeline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I had to come back to this because....
Okay, my poor little fetus is exposed to da ebil carbs.
After the little darling is born I, being a good mom, feed him/her a healthy diet.
Say the kid grows up to be a health nut and keeps eating a well balanced diet.
According to our good friend Tim there, too bad, so sad, he was exposed in utero to da ebil carbs, so he/she is doomed to have insulin resistance no matter what and will just HAVE to eat low carb because reasons.
Do I have this BS straight?
So I can blame my mother?? (not that I have IR, but, y'know, if I did it's clearly her fault)
Speaking of mother, I just found a pair of trousers that were hers in my search for the purple jeans (which I obviously finally gave up on at some point). Genuine 60s, she had them around the time my parents got married, when she was 18. They fit, though way tight around my upper legs, I guess women in the 60s didn't have quads. I should probably not tell her this. I always loved them, though even if they did fit comfortably probably wouldn't wear b/c I just can't do high waists.
I am ALL about the high waist. Not in a 90s mom jeans way though. Hence my not being in the least bit sad to have nothing of my youthful fashion endeavors in my possession.
They are pretty cool, and if my thighs weren't so fat (jks) I probably would wear them. The label is too faded to make out a size, but I could make out the word 'sportswear' and laughed, cos I can't even lift my thigh parallel in them. They have no give whatsoever. They're very Audrey Hepburn, and I
all things Audrey.
The purple jeans were also high waisted, which is the thing I did not love about them. Jeans must sit on my hips.1 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »I have one of my six that I'm getting concerned about as well. She's rather big but seems to move around okay - however, whenever I pet her down her back, near the base of her tale, she yelps and swats at me. I can't feel anything wrong, and she doesn't seem to have any problems moving, jumping, or playing, but I'm still concerned. She often gets mats in that spot and I've held her down to cut them out, so I don't know if she's yelping because she detests being restrained and associates my touching her there with being restrained, or if its a sign of a bigger problem. Unfortunately, there's no way I can afford a vet bill right now, or x-rays or the such, so she's going to have to wait until February, unless it turns into an emergency. I love my cats and I hate that health care for pets is so darned expensive! And I can't afford pet insurance for the 6 of them, either
Sorry to hear your kitty may be having some difficulty. I was blessed in that when mine became ill, it lasted only a couple of days and their suffering was so minimal. I was honestly shocked at how fast their condition deteriorated. It was pretty much over night between them showing symptoms and me coming to grips with the fact they needed to be put down. My "pulled-them-out-of-the-river" kitties. Some idiot threw a bag of kittens into the river. The bag caught on a branch and was partially submerged, so some kids heard them and came and got me. The black one was Rugen (after the evil six-fingered man in "The Princess Bride" because he was a Hemingway cat--poly-dactyl) and the white one was Buttercup.
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A couple of thoughts come to mind from this...
1. The "2 day refeed with lots of carbs" is very consistent with my personal experience.
2. We see this all the time on MFP - people are terrible at figuring out their actual maintenance calories when they are outside the normal healthy body fat zones. In actual practice, most people who are (say) 20% overweight (technically obese) will use the usual calculators to figure out maintenance and end up eating at a meaningful caloric surplus instead.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »There was some epic Twitter kittenry yesterday with lchf fanatics amidst a showdown between Tim Noakes and Alan Aragon.
It all started because the BJSM has been taken over by zealots who apparently think the amount of followers you have is meaningful data.
Ha, yes. I witnessed it in real time. Noakes quoted me in response to my tweet to someone else that brought up insulin out of nowhere when he was "disgusted" with Alan's reply to Tim. Then I ended up having a circular debate with Noakes because he's equating the concept of "high carb diets" to packaged/refined treats, where my argument is that his definition should be the forefront of context when he's using that term because I have yet to see the case where fruit and vegetable carbs alone caused insulin resistance if they were in a eucaloric or hypocaloric state.
ETA: This was also the root cause of my paper writing procrastination
Oh, now I have to go back and read it in full.
Because my *favorite* LCHF strawman is high carb = packaged/refined treats
The entire LCHF narrative is goal post shifting and strawmanning the hell out of rebuttals. Tim said that humans are exposed to "high carb" since CONCEPTION... that sounds truly difficult.
I. can't. even.
Trufax. I low carbed (moderately low, no starches, but ate berries) through my last pregnancy. Just veg, dairy, and meat (was still a meat eater then).
But see, then there's that pesky breast milk thing. That stuff is just brimming with da ebil sugarz.@anubis609 Well, I mean, if you're going to be picky and expect people to define terms and such..
So I guess American fetuses are showing evidence of exposure to Doritos and Frosted Flakes? Weird.
Lol. The thing is I do eat low carb most of the time, and I'm ketotic via acetone breath testing, but I'm macro agnostic when it comes to keeping "the law of keto." I don't care what the macro composition of anyone's diet is if it works for them, so long as protein is appropriate. When someone isn't in a hypercaloric state, there's no chance in hell they're going to develop obesity from a thermodynamic standpoint. Insulin's job isn't to regulate blood glucose. It's to meter fatty acids in response to substrate and cellular energy status. But that's beside the point. In a normal metabolism, no one develops insulin resistance if they're in a healthy weight range and body fat level.
To challenge the whole "insulin makes you fat because carbz are the devil" people like the Abs & Ice Cream guy on youtube and the twinkie diet guy improved their health markers, reduced fat mass, and lost overall weight eating just those things because of an energy deficit, and the rest of nutritional science recognizes this, so they use them as extreme examples.
And even if Noakes wanted to use the extreme euphemism to say people are exposed to crap food earlier in life, he can't blindly call them insulin resistant. Jimmy Moore is the king of ketards pushing low protein and unlimited fat consumption to the brink of morbid obesity and will continuously blame hormones for his size when he boldly claims to eat to satiety and not worry about calories. His fasting insulin shows that he is truly insulin sensitive, which ironically allows people to store fat much easier than someone with insulin resistance.
And damn it all to hell, I've brought my daily hell into this thread. My apologies and condolences. Lol. Let's go back to animals and flip flops/jandals6 -
A couple of thoughts come to mind from this...
1. The "2 day refeed with lots of carbs" is very consistent with my personal experience.
2. We see this all the time on MFP - people are terrible at figuring out their actual maintenance calories when they are outside the normal healthy body fat zones. In actual practice, most people who are (say) 20% overweight (technically obese) will use the usual calculators to figure out maintenance and end up eating at a meaningful caloric surplus instead.
To your 2nd point, exactly that. Maintaining a larger frame will mean eating a lot more to support it. If they were to choose maintenance based on their ideal/reference/goal weight, they would be seeing a deficit if they're overfat. And ultimately, that's the goal.. to lose excess fat weight and maintain an optimal weight within reason (neither underfat or overfat) long term AKA for the rest of their lives.0 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »There was some epic Twitter kittenry yesterday with lchf fanatics amidst a showdown between Tim Noakes and Alan Aragon.
It all started because the BJSM has been taken over by zealots who apparently think the amount of followers you have is meaningful data.
Ha, yes. I witnessed it in real time. Noakes quoted me in response to my tweet to someone else that brought up insulin out of nowhere when he was "disgusted" with Alan's reply to Tim. Then I ended up having a circular debate with Noakes because he's equating the concept of "high carb diets" to packaged/refined treats, where my argument is that his definition should be the forefront of context when he's using that term because I have yet to see the case where fruit and vegetable carbs alone caused insulin resistance if they were in a eucaloric or hypocaloric state.
ETA: This was also the root cause of my paper writing procrastination
Oh, now I have to go back and read it in full.
Because my *favorite* LCHF strawman is high carb = packaged/refined treats
The entire LCHF narrative is goal post shifting and strawmanning the hell out of rebuttals. Tim said that humans are exposed to "high carb" since CONCEPTION... that sounds truly difficult.
I. can't. even.
Trufax. I low carbed (moderately low, no starches, but ate berries) through my last pregnancy. Just veg, dairy, and meat (was still a meat eater then).
But see, then there's that pesky breast milk thing. That stuff is just brimming with da ebil sugarz.@anubis609 Well, I mean, if you're going to be picky and expect people to define terms and such..
So I guess American fetuses are showing evidence of exposure to Doritos and Frosted Flakes? Weird.
Lol. The thing is I do eat low carb most of the time, and I'm ketotic via acetone breath testing, but I'm macro agnostic when it comes to keeping "the law of keto." I don't care what the macro composition of anyone's diet is if it works for them, so long as protein is appropriate. When someone isn't in a hypercaloric state, there's no chance in hell they're going to develop obesity from a thermodynamic standpoint. Insulin's job isn't to regulate blood glucose. It's to meter fatty acids in response to substrate and cellular energy status. But that's beside the point. In a normal metabolism, no one develops insulin resistance if they're in a healthy weight range and body fat level.
To challenge the whole "insulin makes you fat because carbz are the devil" people like the Abs & Ice Cream guy on youtube and the twinkie diet guy improved their health markers, reduced fat mass, and lost overall weight eating just those things because of an energy deficit, and the rest of nutritional science recognizes this, so they use them as extreme examples.
And even if Noakes wanted to use the extreme euphemism to say people are exposed to crap food earlier in life, he can't blindly call them insulin resistant. Jimmy Moore is the king of ketards pushing low protein and unlimited fat consumption to the brink of morbid obesity and will continuously blame hormones for his size when he boldly claims to eat to satiety and not worry about calories. His fasting insulin shows that he is truly insulin sensitive, which ironically allows people to store fat much easier than someone with insulin resistance.
And damn it all to hell, I've brought my daily hell into this thread. My apologies and condolences. Lol. Let's go back to animals and flip flops/jandals
Yeah, at a deficit, and especially if I didn't have a lot of exercise cals to play with, I was lower carb too. Like you, I just didn't hail it as The One True Way. When I was still overweight, I was possibly a bit insulin resistant and did seem to do better on low carb (I possibly maybe have PCOS). Once I hit a bit below top of normal BMI that disappears (shock, horror), and the lower carbs were purely because there wasn't a lot of room left after fat and protein. My carb intake, needless to say, has gone up considerably at maintenance cals.3 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »There was some epic Twitter kittenry yesterday with lchf fanatics amidst a showdown between Tim Noakes and Alan Aragon.
It all started because the BJSM has been taken over by zealots who apparently think the amount of followers you have is meaningful data.
Ha, yes. I witnessed it in real time. Noakes quoted me in response to my tweet to someone else that brought up insulin out of nowhere when he was "disgusted" with Alan's reply to Tim. Then I ended up having a circular debate with Noakes because he's equating the concept of "high carb diets" to packaged/refined treats, where my argument is that his definition should be the forefront of context when he's using that term because I have yet to see the case where fruit and vegetable carbs alone caused insulin resistance if they were in a eucaloric or hypocaloric state.
ETA: This was also the root cause of my paper writing procrastination
Oh, now I have to go back and read it in full.
Because my *favorite* LCHF strawman is high carb = packaged/refined treats
The entire LCHF narrative is goal post shifting and strawmanning the hell out of rebuttals. Tim said that humans are exposed to "high carb" since CONCEPTION... that sounds truly difficult.
I. can't. even.
Trufax. I low carbed (moderately low, no starches, but ate berries) through my last pregnancy. Just veg, dairy, and meat (was still a meat eater then).
But see, then there's that pesky breast milk thing. That stuff is just brimming with da ebil sugarz.@anubis609 Well, I mean, if you're going to be picky and expect people to define terms and such..
So I guess American fetuses are showing evidence of exposure to Doritos and Frosted Flakes? Weird.
Lol. The thing is I do eat low carb most of the time, and I'm ketotic via acetone breath testing, but I'm macro agnostic when it comes to keeping "the law of keto." I don't care what the macro composition of anyone's diet is if it works for them, so long as protein is appropriate. When someone isn't in a hypercaloric state, there's no chance in hell they're going to develop obesity from a thermodynamic standpoint. Insulin's job isn't to regulate blood glucose. It's to meter fatty acids in response to substrate and cellular energy status. But that's beside the point. In a normal metabolism, no one develops insulin resistance if they're in a healthy weight range and body fat level.
To challenge the whole "insulin makes you fat because carbz are the devil" people like the Abs & Ice Cream guy on youtube and the twinkie diet guy improved their health markers, reduced fat mass, and lost overall weight eating just those things because of an energy deficit, and the rest of nutritional science recognizes this, so they use them as extreme examples.
And even if Noakes wanted to use the extreme euphemism to say people are exposed to crap food earlier in life, he can't blindly call them insulin resistant. Jimmy Moore is the king of ketards pushing low protein and unlimited fat consumption to the brink of morbid obesity and will continuously blame hormones for his size when he boldly claims to eat to satiety and not worry about calories. His fasting insulin shows that he is truly insulin sensitive, which ironically allows people to store fat much easier than someone with insulin resistance.
And damn it all to hell, I've brought my daily hell into this thread. My apologies and condolences. Lol. Let's go back to animals and flip flops/jandals
Yeah, at a deficit, and especially if I didn't have a lot of exercise cals to play with, I was lower carb too. Like you, I just didn't hail it as The One True Way. When I was still overweight, I was possibly a bit insulin resistant and did seem to do better on low carb (I possibly maybe have PCOS). Once I hit a bit below top of normal BMI that disappears (shock, horror), and the lower carbs were purely because there wasn't a lot of room left after fat and protein. My carb intake, needless to say, has gone up considerably at maintenance cals.
And data show that IR seems to improve with lower carb diets, even when advised to eat ad lib. It has a place in dietary practice, and what usually happens is when you tell someone to reduce their carb intake, their immediate thought of "carbs" is the refined sugar *kitten* we already know and secretly love every other weekend or holiday, so they cut that down and they tend to eat more protein. Then something magical happens. They lose weight (because of reduced overall energy intake), they feel more confident in themselves and start becoming active. Then they start enjoying activity which creates a positive feedback cycle of "the better I feel, the better I eat" .. lo and behold the one true diet becomes gospel and they're now arguing on twitter.
Psychologically, it becomes the whole "I've tried everything and this is the only thing that worked!" and the reality is that while they were able to stabilize glucose fluctuations, the rest of the magic happened when they were in an energy deficit and lost excess fat. What a lot of people find out is once they've regained insulin sensitivity via diet AND activity (specifically resistance training), they actually are able to handle more carbs and remain metabolically flexible. If long-term/severe damage has happened due to overfeeding and elevated health markers, then it changes the end result of what "optimal" is. Some people may not be able to handle higher carbs at all, while others can go about their lives as if they were never afflicted. On the flip side, there are some people that absolutely plummet their health when reducing carbs.
Which brings us to the overarching narrative that there is no one true diet and people need to find out what works for them. If it keeps them adherent, happy, and healthy, then they've successfully achieved what many people are still struggling to find.7 -
My starchy carb intake fluctuates with my activity levels. Since I've been hit pretty badly with this fatigue nonsense, I've cut back, but that's mostly because my activity scaled back, TDEE dropped a couple hundred calories, which was where the starch fit in my diet.
I keep fat and protein constant. I also keep my veggie intake constant because nutrition. Now, I eat a lot of vegetables, so I still have a decent carb intake, but they're not really starchy except on days where I eat butternut squash.
Mind you, I still have my little fun size bags of M & M's. Life can't be boring, you know.5 -
Just to bring cats back into the equation. They're keto AF and my Chilli in particular sports some extra padding. Betty less so. And Horatio is obvs still growing and lanky as hell.6
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Sooo, I chucked a pav recipe into the recipe builder. One serving is less than 200 cals, and is only half an egg white (for some reason I always think there's 5 billion egg whites in a pav, I've never actually made one).0
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Snickers is just overfed.. he's on a higher protein diet now but when I got him, the cheap stuff was what he got and well..
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The twins are now fully on their ketogenic raw diet (not taking any chances with Mario's kidneys, even though the full diagnostics came back fine, dehydration shouldn't have caused elevated creatine, he could well be at the very early stage of renal insufficiency, so no dry for him). Toby is on da ebil carby dry food for his crystals, because he won't eat the prescription wet food. The plus side of moving to meal feeding is that I can better monitor how much butter ball Toby gets. He is living proof that low cal food in excess does not result in weight loss (though he has only been on it a month, and I'm going purely on visual).3
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Snickers is just overfed.. he's on a higher protein diet now but when I got him, the cheap stuff was what he got and well..
Adorable I want a kitty 
and @Psychgrrl I love the "The Princess Bride" themed names! 2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Sooo, I chucked a pav recipe into the recipe builder. One serving is less than 200 cals, and is only half an egg white (for some reason I always think there's 5 billion egg whites in a pav, I've never actually made one).
Half an egg white? But a pav is a giant meringue. I make meringues and half an egg white won't even get you a "p".4 -
My lot are grain free exclusively wet (though we did get a treat box from our online supplies place and that has some dry as a treat) but they do enjoy raw. I just don't have the freezer space with me also buying my meat in bulk and freezing. Nowhere for a second freezer to go so for now they get the best wet I can afford.
And as if he knows I'm talking about him the demon has come for a snuggle.3 -
dancefit2015 wrote: »Snickers is just overfed.. he's on a higher protein diet now but when I got him, the cheap stuff was what he got and well..
Adorable I want a kitty and @Psychgrrl I love the "The Princess Bride" themed names!
Lol he's a giant baby. He's more dog than cat in terms of wanting affection...except he'll nip at your calves if you try to ignore him when he's asking for something. That and having 28 lbs on your chest when he's kneading you before going to sleep is kind of breathtaking - literally 4 -
Oh, on the meringues, I should add that they aren't very calorific at all. They're one of my go tos for something lower calorie but still delicious. I've done Eton mess with Greek yoghurt instead of cream, delicious and macro friendly!1
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VintageFeline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Sooo, I chucked a pav recipe into the recipe builder. One serving is less than 200 cals, and is only half an egg white (for some reason I always think there's 5 billion egg whites in a pav, I've never actually made one).
Half an egg white? But a pav is a giant meringue. I make meringues and half an egg white won't even get you a "p".
I think this recipe is for the flatter variety, so only three egg whites. Really, any decent pav should have six. Though, doing the smaller one, chances are everyone will actually eat two servings, leaving no leftovers to tempt me. And I really do think I can handle one egg white...0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Sooo, I chucked a pav recipe into the recipe builder. One serving is less than 200 cals, and is only half an egg white (for some reason I always think there's 5 billion egg whites in a pav, I've never actually made one).
Half an egg white? But a pav is a giant meringue. I make meringues and half an egg white won't even get you a "p".
I think this recipe is for the flatter variety, so only three egg whites. Really, any decent pav should have six. Though, doing the smaller one, chances are everyone will actually eat two servings, leaving no leftovers to tempt me. And I really do think I can handle one egg white...
Sigh! I thought this was supposed to be a "diet" site; not an "I now want Terry's Oranges and to eat a Pavlova and be terrorised by cats" site. I suppose the prevalence of vicious felines (vicious; not vintage) explains the tendency of so many discussions to degenerate to *kitten*.
And why do *I* think that I've let the home team down by not having a PAV since I started logging on MFP?!?!?! I wonder if they sell them in the frozen food section
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Sooo, I chucked a pav recipe into the recipe builder. One serving is less than 200 cals, and is only half an egg white (for some reason I always think there's 5 billion egg whites in a pav, I've never actually made one).
Half an egg white? But a pav is a giant meringue. I make meringues and half an egg white won't even get you a "p".
I think this recipe is for the flatter variety, so only three egg whites. Really, any decent pav should have six. Though, doing the smaller one, chances are everyone will actually eat two servings, leaving no leftovers to tempt me. And I really do think I can handle one egg white...
Sigh! I thought this was supposed to be a "diet" site; not an "I now want Terry's Oranges and to eat a Pavlova and be terrorised by cats" site. I suppose the prevalence of vicious felines (vicious; not vintage) explains the tendency of so many discussions to degenerate to *kitten*.
And why do *I* think that I've let the home team down by not having a PAV since I started logging on MFP?!?!?! I wonder if they sell them in the frozen food section
Yes, you really should have pav!! You should also just make a fresh one (you could make a mini one, so there's not so much temptation). And pav is diet food, egg whites (and a crap ton of sugar...)!!
Niece and I have done some further vague planning. She will make the pavlova, since she has done this before. Christmas Day would not be the time discover I have inherited my mother's total lack of pavlova-making skill. We will have nibbly things (I don't know what these are yet, probably fruit and cheese) and throw some things in the direction of the bbq (corn on the cob, haloumi, asparagus if there's still any about, roasted potatoes). And lots of wine.1 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Sooo, I chucked a pav recipe into the recipe builder. One serving is less than 200 cals, and is only half an egg white (for some reason I always think there's 5 billion egg whites in a pav, I've never actually made one).
Half an egg white? But a pav is a giant meringue. I make meringues and half an egg white won't even get you a "p".
I think this recipe is for the flatter variety, so only three egg whites. Really, any decent pav should have six. Though, doing the smaller one, chances are everyone will actually eat two servings, leaving no leftovers to tempt me. And I really do think I can handle one egg white...
Sigh! I thought this was supposed to be a "diet" site; not an "I now want Terry's Oranges and to eat a Pavlova and be terrorised by cats" site. I suppose the prevalence of vicious felines (vicious; not vintage) explains the tendency of so many discussions to degenerate to *kitten*.
And why do *I* think that I've let the home team down by not having a PAV since I started logging on MFP?!?!?! I wonder if they sell them in the frozen food section
Meringues are usually in our supermarkets bakery section... One big store has brought out a fancy thing for Christmas covered in choc and salted caramel drizzle, which is in the freezer. My brain doesn't understand - to me, that's going to be detrimental to the meringue texture1 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Sooo, I chucked a pav recipe into the recipe builder. One serving is less than 200 cals, and is only half an egg white (for some reason I always think there's 5 billion egg whites in a pav, I've never actually made one).
Half an egg white? But a pav is a giant meringue. I make meringues and half an egg white won't even get you a "p".
I think this recipe is for the flatter variety, so only three egg whites. Really, any decent pav should have six. Though, doing the smaller one, chances are everyone will actually eat two servings, leaving no leftovers to tempt me. And I really do think I can handle one egg white...
Sigh! I thought this was supposed to be a "diet" site; not an "I now want Terry's Oranges and to eat a Pavlova and be terrorised by cats" site. I suppose the prevalence of vicious felines (vicious; not vintage) explains the tendency of so many discussions to degenerate to *kitten*.
And why do *I* think that I've let the home team down by not having a PAV since I started logging on MFP?!?!?! I wonder if they sell them in the frozen food section
Meringues are usually in our supermarkets bakery section... One big store has brought out a fancy thing for Christmas covered in choc and salted caramel drizzle, which is in the freezer. My brain doesn't understand - to me, that's going to be detrimental to the meringue texture
That's what I thought too, hence the make fresh.
I was going to strength train before dinner, but it's too damn hot. I will do it in the morning.0 -
@livingleanlivingclean - As long as the machine is calibrated and you are coming in at right time - very accurate.
When a unit on truck drives up to the gym for free or cheap readings, or a mall - be wary.
They know full well that if people hadn't planned - they are invalid readings - no food for at minimum 4 hrs, longer is better because if still digesting food - you are expiring CO2 purely for that reason, not only the metabolizing of fuel. And no working out day prior is better too - no higher metabolism dealing with repair or replenishment.
So going to gym for free/cheap readings means they know they are bad - and likely haven't calibrated their unit, or are about to and want to get some final money in before that process.
I wouldn't trust a place like that even if they did just do the process and I'm first the next morning. Who knows what other sloppy stuff they'll be doing?
Now, if gym required signup and gave you sheet for what was required of you - eh, maybe. I'd still ask if they ever went to the mall or some corp business office and ran spur-the-moment tests for people.
Mine has always been at the start of a VO2max test, so sitting not reclining, and 5 min not 15, and tons of wires hanging off body instead of just nice face mask. But I calm down quick, if HR is indication, so I figure pretty decent even if not true RMR.
And since at hospital heart unit - very immovable unit.
Good to know. I had mine done before my VO2 max as well and they were quite firm on the instructions about eating, drinking and exercising beforehand when I set up the appointment. They talked about how the calibrate the machines. I had it done at the campus's fitness lab. Interestingly enough, my RMR was 25% higher than the average for my age, gender, weight and height. I wonder how that intersects with my hypothyroidism.
Sounds like you had some tech's used to doing studies.
It would take just slightly larger than avg of the metabolically active organs accounting for most of your RMR to push you higher.
Shoot - maybe it's all in the brain activity higher than normal!!!!!
And with hypo - perhaps it could have been 30% higher.3
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