Of refeeds and diet breaks
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VintageFeline wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Sorry to hear about your fish Nony, and your water heater mph.
I'm having a very, very hungry day today, so I'm just eating all the things and not really caring. I'm also horribly fatigued and worn out. I will be well over calories for the day and don't care.
I'm still majorly struggling with fatigue. I haven't needed to sleep this much in a long time. Might up the vit D supplement to see if that helps. At this point I'm fairly sure I'll have to cancel going to my friend on Christmas day, I am in no state to be doing 1+ hour drives there and back never mind trying be jolly for the day on top. My brain will do all the noping out of it all.
I also ate all the things yesterday. Was way over. But had a restrained week and haven't been as hungry today so all on track for not gaining this week, hurrah! 1 break week down, two to go.
I’m finishing off antibiotics from an infection I apparently got from the flu shot injection where the needle went in. My arm was killing me for a couple weeks after, but looked ok on the outside. Finally had an MRI done last weekend and there’s a spot there, on the inside. In spite of the wiping with the alcohol swab, it apparently is extremely rare, but can happen when bacteria on the skin is pushed inside with the needle. It’s getting better, but no Yoga/weights all week has been killing me just a little. Leave it to me to get sick from the precautions I took to not get sick.
actually did it for my mom. She has Alzheimer’s and is in a home. Last year, late in flu season, It rant rampant and two people died. Some of them are too vulnerable to get the shot. They sent a letter this year in October begging everyone to get the vaccine before visiting this year.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »It is crazy windy here. Just picked up 5.5kg of grapefruits that had fallen off the tree. Uh, not sure what I'm going to do with those!! And presumably more will shake loose throughout the day.
Potato salad was a hit with my tastebuds and my belly. Had that, a couple of veg sausages and some cucumber for lunch.
Lunch sounds yummy!
Our winds our still so high, the darn Santa Ana winds (nothing to do with Christmas). And the Thomas Fire is only 40% contained after 2 and 1/2 weeks, thousands of fire fighters and one fire fighter death. RIP Cory Iverson.0 -
Oh yeah, my Fitbit strap broke last night (actually finally at about 3.20 this morning). Really it broke, or a bit of it did some time ago, and I procrastinated on the whole replacement thing (even though I was in the damn shop I bought it at the other week when I got my new blender). So, I have been in, hoping they'd just give me a replacement band on the spot (I have an extended warranty through them), but no, they have to check with Fitbit that it is covered (it will be), so it will be a couple of days. This has also made me get around to ordering a pretty strap for it, which will also probably not be here for a couple of days. So Fitbit is now living in my pocket. No heart rate data for me!0
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Wrestled with my grape vines for a good three hours tonight, running wire, training vines, pruning vines (yeah, should have done that first, but I kind of had to do the training to actually see what and where I could cut. I tried to be ruthless, and I was reasonably, but it's really hard cutting out bunches of fruit, even when you know it will make the other bunches bigger. Anything truly pathetic went. I think I should probably sacrifice anything that's never going to see any sun as well. Still need to cut back some of the growth on the strands with grapes on, but have to be careful to leave enough mature leaves to feed them (yay Youtube!). Next year, assuming I'm still living in this house (please, Universe) I need to be more ruthless with initial prune, and a lot better at training the vine.
None of this activity was recorded by Fitbit, other than the meagre amount of steps involved, but I feel justified in the extra 100 or so cals in order to have bedtime shake.
Today was also brought to you by ALL of the chocolate*
*exaggeration, there's still two bags of mini bars, some choc covered ginger, at least one dark choc sante bar, and the Christmas cherry liqueurs (minus one).2 -
Moving to a new town has made me grateful for less social occassions and contacts. Reading through so many topics on mfp about all the temptations I realize how this can be a fortunate outcome for some of us. I resolve my chocolate temptations by having it everyday in my yogurt, I jst spoon cocoa in and enjoy it. Life is too short, especially at my age, to be downing those disgusting things they used to tell you to for brakfast, like kale smoothies. yikes.
I was disinherited about 17 years ago too, so family gatherings and all the drama that creates is not a thing I have to face. It can be lonely though, and for many years December was a dreaded month as it brought out deep saddness and depression for me, but we have developed a way of living after some years that is peaceful and contented, for ourselves anyway. So for others who may find themselves out on a limb in some way, take heart, it does get better with time. As an old adage goes: Time heals all wounds and wounds all heels.
Sometimes I think there is so much more time to be creative and develope into a more unique individual when family ties get severed. Something to think about.
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Moving to a new town has made me grateful for less social occassions and contacts. Reading through so many topics on mfp about all the temptations I realize how this can be a fortunate outcome for some of us. I resolve my chocolate temptations by having it everyday in my yogurt, I jst spoon cocoa in and enjoy it. Life is too short, especially at my age, to be downing those disgusting things they used to tell you to for brakfast, like kale smoothies. yikes.
I was disinherited about 17 years ago too, so family gatherings and all the drama that creates is not a thing I have to face. It can be lonely though, and for many years December was a dreaded month as it brought out deep saddness and depression for me, but we have developed a way of living after some years that is peaceful and contented, for ourselves anyway. So for others who may find themselves out on a limb in some way, take heart, it does get better with time. As an old adage goes: Time heals all wounds and wounds all heels.
Sometimes I think there is so much more time to be creative and develope into a more unique individual when family ties get severed. Something to think about.
@Gamliela, I struggle a lot in December because of family things - Christmas was a big thing for my mum and me, although there was only 3 in my family, we had lots of traditions and made things special. She passed away just before I met my husband, and my relationship with my dad weakened. My husband doesn't have the best relationship with his family, and they don't "do Christmas" like I do. It's often a case of I'd rather do nothing than something that doesn't mean Christmas to me. (and I apparently go too OTT and make too much effort).... We have some friends who have had us over as Christmas orphans a couple of times, which is lovely, but not expected as I don't want to impose myself on other people! Without them, I still struggle with out my mum, and making a big effort just for the two of us doesn't seem like much fun. We have been away for Christmas before, and intend to get away next year - it makes it a bit easier, but there's still a sense of loneliness...3 -
I know that loneliness, I try not to fight it, just sitting with it for a time seems to help making it a part of me and somehow it can turn around into peace. I don't even know how that works, but at least I don't turn to destructive eating behaviors if there is acceptance. It seems to be a matter of developing new habits. I do know what you mean about not having much motivation during the season with just two of us and the cat, so now I just go with that and call it relaxation.
editd: because I have such a hard time getting all the letters right on this ipad keyboard.2 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Moving to a new town has made me grateful for less social occassions and contacts. Reading through so many topics on mfp about all the temptations I realize how this can be a fortunate outcome for some of us. I resolve my chocolate temptations by having it everyday in my yogurt, I jst spoon cocoa in and enjoy it. Life is too short, especially at my age, to be downing those disgusting things they used to tell you to for brakfast, like kale smoothies. yikes.
I was disinherited about 17 years ago too, so family gatherings and all the drama that creates is not a thing I have to face. It can be lonely though, and for many years December was a dreaded month as it brought out deep saddness and depression for me, but we have developed a way of living after some years that is peaceful and contented, for ourselves anyway. So for others who may find themselves out on a limb in some way, take heart, it does get better with time. As an old adage goes: Time heals all wounds and wounds all heels.
Sometimes I think there is so much more time to be creative and develope into a more unique individual when family ties get severed. Something to think about.
@Gamliela, I struggle a lot in December because of family things - Christmas was a big thing for my mum and me, although there was only 3 in my family, we had lots of traditions and made things special. She passed away just before I met my husband, and my relationship with my dad weakened. My husband doesn't have the best relationship with his family, and they don't "do Christmas" like I do. It's often a case of I'd rather do nothing than something that doesn't mean Christmas to me. (and I apparently go too OTT and make too much effort).... We have some friends who have had us over as Christmas orphans a couple of times, which is lovely, but not expected as I don't want to impose myself on other people! Without them, I still struggle with out my mum, and making a big effort just for the two of us doesn't seem like much fun. We have been away for Christmas before, and intend to get away next year - it makes it a bit easier, but there's still a sense of loneliness...
I'm the opposite on the effort. When flying solo, which is more often than not now, I make myself a lovely feast and just enjoy feasting. It's also the only day of the year my flat is quiet (I live on a busy road) so I also revel in that. The loneliness still bites and materialistically I do miss getting gifts! But it gets easier every year. And I do remind myself that the reason I am alone is because my family have inflicted untold suffering on me that have led to me being as unwell as I am and so this is the lesser of the evils.
I also partake of a movement started by one of our comediennes on Twitter, the hashtag #joinin is a lovely thing with people who may be alone or feel lonely in spite of being with others to connect with others in the same boat or support them.
I do have an invitation this year but the closer it gets the less I am feeling it. I'm just too exhausted and anxious to spend a day putting on a show. We shall see how I feel at the end of the week.5 -
My husband and I always spend Christmas at home - it started when we lived in Japan and didn't always come back for the holidays, and continued because quite frankly we prefer it. Smoked salmon and scrambled eggs with buck's fizz, then roast goose (saving the fat for roast potatoes) is the plan, along with blessed peace and quiet. We go away for the New Year as well. I guess we just aren't really into the family thing at all! (we will do a day before Christmas with my mum and step-dad, but I don't speak to my father and relations with his family are always strained so we haven't done Christmas with them for over 10 years). Life is too short to put up with passive aggressive nonsense from my unpleasant sister in law or having to deal with their spoilt children.
I R antisocial Tere1 -
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Oh that sucks @mph323
Where's my goddam pms bloat gone??? Christmas bonus, Christmas bonus, Christmas bonus...
Also, my partitally broken Fitbit strap fully broke during the night, so now I really do need to get on to contacting them for a replacement.
Little fishy has gone to the stream at the Rainbow Bridge. Buried her last night
So sorry to hear about your fish.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Oh that sucks @mph323
Where's my goddam pms bloat gone??? Christmas bonus, Christmas bonus, Christmas bonus...
Also, my partitally broken Fitbit strap fully broke during the night, so now I really do need to get on to contacting them for a replacement.
Little fishy has gone to the stream at the Rainbow Bridge. Buried her last night
So sorry to hear about your fish.
Thank you
How is your girl doing? Any improvement?0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Oh that sucks @mph323
Where's my goddam pms bloat gone??? Christmas bonus, Christmas bonus, Christmas bonus...
Also, my partitally broken Fitbit strap fully broke during the night, so now I really do need to get on to contacting them for a replacement.
Little fishy has gone to the stream at the Rainbow Bridge. Buried her last night
So sorry to hear about your fish.
Thank you
How is your girl doing? Any improvement?
She is back to eating regularly, but her energy is still a bit low. I am hoping she has turned a corner given that her appetite is back.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Oh that sucks @mph323
Where's my goddam pms bloat gone??? Christmas bonus, Christmas bonus, Christmas bonus...
Also, my partitally broken Fitbit strap fully broke during the night, so now I really do need to get on to contacting them for a replacement.
Little fishy has gone to the stream at the Rainbow Bridge. Buried her last night
So sorry to hear about your fish.
Thank you
How is your girl doing? Any improvement?
She is back to eating regularly, but her energy is still a bit low. I am hoping she has turned a corner given that her appetite is back.
Excellent, eating is always a good sign. You probably already know this, but one of the best things you can do for sick fish is keep their water ultra clean, so small water changes (10%) every day. Increasing oxygen if you can may also help.0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Oh that sucks @mph323
Where's my goddam pms bloat gone??? Christmas bonus, Christmas bonus, Christmas bonus...
Also, my partitally broken Fitbit strap fully broke during the night, so now I really do need to get on to contacting them for a replacement.
Little fishy has gone to the stream at the Rainbow Bridge. Buried her last night
So sorry to hear about your fish.
Thank you
How is your girl doing? Any improvement?
She is back to eating regularly, but her energy is still a bit low. I am hoping she has turned a corner given that her appetite is back.
Excellent, eating is always a good sign. You probably already know this, but one of the best things you can do for sick fish is keep their water ultra clean, so small water changes (10%) every day. Increasing oxygen if you can may also help.
Yep, we've been doing that exact process with her but I appreciate the advice. She is the first fish we've had and there is so much to learn!1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Oh that sucks @mph323
Where's my goddam pms bloat gone??? Christmas bonus, Christmas bonus, Christmas bonus...
Also, my partitally broken Fitbit strap fully broke during the night, so now I really do need to get on to contacting them for a replacement.
Little fishy has gone to the stream at the Rainbow Bridge. Buried her last night
So sorry to hear about your fish.
Thank you
How is your girl doing? Any improvement?
She is back to eating regularly, but her energy is still a bit low. I am hoping she has turned a corner given that her appetite is back.
Excellent, eating is always a good sign. You probably already know this, but one of the best things you can do for sick fish is keep their water ultra clean, so small water changes (10%) every day. Increasing oxygen if you can may also help.
Yep, we've been doing that exact process with her but I appreciate the advice. She is the first fish we've had and there is so much to learn!
Yep, fish are easy, until they're not. If you don't have a testing kit to check your water parameters from time to time, I can highly recommend getting one. Quick and easy way to either identify the problem, or rule things out. Plus you get to do sciencey things with test tubes in your kitchen.
I need to do some restocking, though I will probably start with more albino cories, since they're down to three (should be in a group of at least six), rather than another glowlight tetra and harlequin rasbora. They're both down to five, but okay with that for a bit. Putting another five fish in all at once is asking for trouble.1 -
Moving to a new town has made me grateful for less social occassions and contacts. Reading through so many topics on mfp about all the temptations I realize how this can be a fortunate outcome for some of us. I resolve my chocolate temptations by having it everyday in my yogurt, I jst spoon cocoa in and enjoy it. Life is too short, especially at my age, to be downing those disgusting things they used to tell you to for brakfast, like kale smoothies. yikes.
I was disinherited about 17 years ago too, so family gatherings and all the drama that creates is not a thing I have to face. It can be lonely though, and for many years December was a dreaded month as it brought out deep saddness and depression for me, but we have developed a way of living after some years that is peaceful and contented, for ourselves anyway. So for others who may find themselves out on a limb in some way, take heart, it does get better with time. As an old adage goes: Time heals all wounds and wounds all heels.
Sometimes I think there is so much more time to be creative and develope into a more unique individual when family ties get severed. Something to think about.
Sorry to hear about your family experience. There are several years I've been on call for the December holidays and therefore can't travel. I received much sympathy, but actually I quite enjoyed the peace and quiet. Maybe being alone at a traditionally "family" time should bother me more than it did. But being out-of-sorts wasn't going to change anything. And I had family to go if I wasn't scheduled to work. #familyisaprivilege.1 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Moving to a new town has made me grateful for less social occassions and contacts. Reading through so many topics on mfp about all the temptations I realize how this can be a fortunate outcome for some of us. I resolve my chocolate temptations by having it everyday in my yogurt, I jst spoon cocoa in and enjoy it. Life is too short, especially at my age, to be downing those disgusting things they used to tell you to for brakfast, like kale smoothies. yikes.
I was disinherited about 17 years ago too, so family gatherings and all the drama that creates is not a thing I have to face. It can be lonely though, and for many years December was a dreaded month as it brought out deep saddness and depression for me, but we have developed a way of living after some years that is peaceful and contented, for ourselves anyway. So for others who may find themselves out on a limb in some way, take heart, it does get better with time. As an old adage goes: Time heals all wounds and wounds all heels.
Sometimes I think there is so much more time to be creative and develope into a more unique individual when family ties get severed. Something to think about.
@Gamliela, I struggle a lot in December because of family things - Christmas was a big thing for my mum and me, although there was only 3 in my family, we had lots of traditions and made things special. She passed away just before I met my husband, and my relationship with my dad weakened. My husband doesn't have the best relationship with his family, and they don't "do Christmas" like I do. It's often a case of I'd rather do nothing than something that doesn't mean Christmas to me. (and I apparently go too OTT and make too much effort).... We have some friends who have had us over as Christmas orphans a couple of times, which is lovely, but not expected as I don't want to impose myself on other people! Without them, I still struggle with out my mum, and making a big effort just for the two of us doesn't seem like much fun. We have been away for Christmas before, and intend to get away next year - it makes it a bit easier, but there's still a sense of loneliness...
It's so hard going through those experiences after those who made them so meaningful and special to us are gone.2 -
VintageFeline wrote: »
I do have an invitation this year but the closer it gets the less I am feeling it. I'm just too exhausted and anxious to spend a day putting on a show. We shall see how I feel at the end of the week.
This is why spending the holidays at my sister's is not a "vacation" for me. Here's to spending the holidays in ways which are caring and meaningful to us.4 -
Got my blood test results and all that medical info today
in 152 days I've dropped 63lbs and:
BP 155/95 down to 125/80
borderline diabetic to NON diabetic
cholesterol 9.6 to 6.2
Fatty liver to normal liver function
Metabolic syndrome reversed
Eating 2000 calories a day, never been hungry, not binged or over eaten. Nor under eaten.
Recalculated TDEE at new weight and it's around 2700 if I do some exercise. Going to do Diet Break for two weeks. Don't mind if I put on a bit. Will crack on with the remaining 73lb to lose in January19 -
Rickster1967 wrote: »Got my blood test results and all that medical info today
in 152 days I've dropped 63lbs and:
BP 155/95 down to 125/80
borderline diabetic to NON diabetic
cholesterol 9.6 to 6.2
Fatty liver to normal liver function
Metabolic syndrome reversed
Eating 2000 calories a day, never been hungry, not binged or over eaten. Nor under eaten.
Recalculated TDEE at new weight and it's around 2700 if I do some exercise. Going to do Diet Break for two weeks. Don't mind if I put on a bit. Will crack on with the remaining 73lb to lose in January
Yay! Congratulations!3 -
Here's some photos of last night's handy work. The north end didn't need much work, just a support wire fixed and some excess growth taken out. This end gets much more sun, so the grapes are plentiful and massive. The south end was basically just a hanging carpet of vine, so several more runs of wire to lift all of that, and a lot cut out. The tree in the middle is a fig.
And a photo of my boys napping the other day on the completely dead side lawn.
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Wow, Nony, that is one HUGE back yard! The grape vines look amazing - do you get table grapes or wine grapes?0
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Dammit! It's Christmas at our house - what major appliance is going to crap out this year? The water heater, for the win! After googling and trying every fix known to the internet, my husband has declared it officially dead. His next day off is Wed., so we're going to have nothing but cold water until then.
We really need an empathy button. So Sorry about the lack of hot water. That sucks! Can you find a coupon or deal for a free day-pass gym trial and use their showers? (Not my first rodeo.)
Thanks for the condolences, and yep I have a gym membership and will eventually go take a shower there, mostly because I'm going out to dinner.
GottaBurn and VintageFeline - so sorry about the fatigue! It's so much harder around the holidays, when there's so much extra stuff that has to get done. I hope it turns out to be shorter episodes rather than longer.
Man, that's rough about the water heater. Our had to be replaced last year, but since we rent, we didn't have to pay for it. And oh man, the water was so much hotter afterward - I hadn't even noticed the gradually cooling water until all of the sudden I go to do dishes after getting the new water heater and almost scalded my freaking hands. Nice.
My sympathies as well to everyone having a tough time right now.
So my first try at the feast-fast protocol had mixed results, but I think it's an experiment worth continuing. We went out both Friday and Saturday nights instead of just Saturday, which was not in the plan, but so it goes. My "last meal" was two grilled cheese sandwiches at maybe 3:00 am Sunday after bar close, then I fasted until about 6:30 pm. Really just the last few hours were notably difficult - I had some herb tea, which really helped, but then had to go grocery shopping, which was not great planning on my part. Fasted cardio = all good. Fasted grocery shopping = nope.
Grocery torture aside, I didn't feel the need to overeat Sunday night - I had a small snack, a slightly larger dinner than usual, and my normal pre-bed snack. Unfortunately, my dinner consisted of two salami sandwiches, and I found out this morning that salami can go bad and I really should have paid attention to that little voice saying "hmm, this looks a little grey and smells a bit off" instead of the voice that said "it's preserved meat, no worries, I hate wasting food!" So I ended up inadvertently fasting until about a half-hour ago today as well, but I think I'm feeling better now. Woof.5 -
MegaMooseEsq wrote: »Grocery torture aside, I didn't feel the need to overeat Sunday night - I had a small snack, a slightly larger dinner than usual, and my normal pre-bed snack. Unfortunately, my dinner consisted of two salami sandwiches, and I found out this morning that salami can go bad and I really should have paid attention to that little voice saying "hmm, this looks a little grey and smells a bit off" instead of the voice that said "it's preserved meat, no worries, I hate wasting food!" So I ended up inadvertently fasting until about a half-hour ago today as well, but I think I'm feeling better now. Woof.
Oh so sorry! I guess that's a pretty good example of the correct usage of the term "bad food" I'm glad you're feeling better.1 -
MegaMooseEsq wrote: »Grocery torture aside, I didn't feel the need to overeat Sunday night - I had a small snack, a slightly larger dinner than usual, and my normal pre-bed snack. Unfortunately, my dinner consisted of two salami sandwiches, and I found out this morning that salami can go bad and I really should have paid attention to that little voice saying "hmm, this looks a little grey and smells a bit off" instead of the voice that said "it's preserved meat, no worries, I hate wasting food!" So I ended up inadvertently fasting until about a half-hour ago today as well, but I think I'm feeling better now. Woof.
Oh so sorry! I guess that's a pretty good example of the correct usage of the term "bad food" I'm glad you're feeling better.
Yeah, I hate it when people call food "garbage," but that salami was, in fact, garbage. It could have been worse - I've got a pretty strong constitution, and my job doesn't care if I don't show up until 2pm.2 -
Wow, Nony, that is one HUGE back yard! The grape vines look amazing - do you get table grapes or wine grapes?
Haha, that's nowhere near all of it. I always say I have two backyards (well, almost three, really) - there's the native garden immediately out the back (where all the dying tree ferns are) and on the east side, then the orchard (separated by a wall garden, which is what I'm about to tackle to plant the spinach), then there's a funny little strip maybe 1.5m wide that should be a veggie garden but is currently grass. It needs a lot of work to create a garden. And the west side strip shown in the cat photo, which is where the clothes line is. And a small front lawn. It is a stupid amount of garden, but thankfully half dead from lack of water weeds pull out of dry ground quite easily!!0 -
Rickster1967 wrote: »Got my blood test results and all that medical info today
in 152 days I've dropped 63lbs and:
BP 155/95 down to 125/80
borderline diabetic to NON diabetic
cholesterol 9.6 to 6.2
Fatty liver to normal liver function
Metabolic syndrome reversed
Eating 2000 calories a day, never been hungry, not binged or over eaten. Nor under eaten.
Recalculated TDEE at new weight and it's around 2700 if I do some exercise. Going to do Diet Break for two weeks. Don't mind if I put on a bit. Will crack on with the remaining 73lb to lose in January
Well done, good sir!1 -
Do refeeds still do what they are meant to do if a good chunk of your calories comes from alcohol? Asking for a friend...7
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dancefit2015 wrote: »Do refeeds still do what they are meant to do if a good chunk of your calories comes from alcohol? Asking for a friend...
Short answer, no. Leptin doesn't get stimulated for the purposes of refeed, but being drunk also displaces worrying about leptin at that point It has a somewhat secondary effect of reducing cortisol since sometimes things happen when *kitten*-faced and you wake up wondering where you are, who you're with, why your back hurts, and why you're okay with all of it since you're relaxed and magical whooshes happen.
Cheat sheet: drink non-sugary alcoholic drinks + eat as much lean protein as you want = minimal to no fat gain.
Wizardry explanation: https://leangains.com/the-truth-about-alcohol-fat-loss-and-muscle-growth/7
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