Of refeeds and diet breaks
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Also, what's a potentially infected mosquito bite at this point, right? *kitten* you, Nature.0
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alteredstates175 wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »Got to report in
I've eaten my Diet Break calories today and I gotta tell ya
Feels awesome
You're killin' me, Smalls! Trying to hold out for onederland and/or January for a diet break.
Been on a plateau for about three weeks. I'm really tempted to start the diet break now. Right. Now.
it's only one day so far but I can tell you, after 153 days on 20 to 30% calorie deficit, eating a high carb maintenance level has me feeling like I could rip up trees, can feel the energy coursing through me. If you have been in deficit for a long time you might benefit from a break physiologically and psychologically
Gonna workout in the morning and eat back the exercise cals. Can't wait6 -
VintageFeline wrote: »I tried the strap looser. I tried giving it time. I applied steroid cream religiously. All no cigar. My first strap I adjusted to and then when I switched watches I was totally fine for a while. And then boom, skin flared up and never liked silicon or leather again!
It's funny, I have no issue with the strap, but with the device itself. It gives me a terrible rash.
I was okay when I had my Flex because I wore that very loosely, but the Charge2, being an HRM type needs to be worn somewhat snugly, and that's turned out to be my downfall. I tend to have problems with any metal, though (I don't even wear a wedding band because of this). And there are parts of the back of the Fitbit that are metal that seem to be causing this).
The best I can do is not sleep in the thing to give my skin a break.1 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »alteredstates175 wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »Got to report in
I've eaten my Diet Break calories today and I gotta tell ya
Feels awesome
You're killin' me, Smalls! Trying to hold out for onederland and/or January for a diet break.
Been on a plateau for about three weeks. I'm really tempted to start the diet break now. Right. Now.
Start now. You will get to Onederland quicker if you do, I bet.
That's what I was thinking, Nony. Maybe my body is telling me it's time for a break. I have been holding around 205 +/- 2 pounds since November 25th. Will calculate a new calorie target when I get some free time tonight. Stupid work!
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alteredstates175 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »alteredstates175 wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »Got to report in
I've eaten my Diet Break calories today and I gotta tell ya
Feels awesome
You're killin' me, Smalls! Trying to hold out for onederland and/or January for a diet break.
Been on a plateau for about three weeks. I'm really tempted to start the diet break now. Right. Now.
Start now. You will get to Onederland quicker if you do, I bet.
That's what I was thinking, Nony. Maybe my body is telling me it's time for a break. I have been holding around 205 +/- 2 pounds since November 25th. Will calculate a new calorie target when I get some free time tonight. Stupid work!
Yep, that's what I think too. No sense in banging your head against a wall for a few more weeks.
Or I can send you my psychotic immune system! It's free to a good home and good for a 4 lb weight loss in less than 6 weeks eating at TDEE (or more accurately, what would normally be TDEE)
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I don't think I'm diet breaking right. Some of this is because I am feeling bloated and on top of that there's the, let's change things up, malaise I am dealing with. Neither a winning combination for wanton indulgence but still, this is me, I am a winner at eating. Except when I'm not.
I have literally just made myself have some tortilla chips and cheese dip (of the cheap and cheerful variety you only indulge quietly in at Christmas) because I have barely eaten today! And I didn't really eat a lot yesterday either. I stopped logging in MFP (but doing some casual mental math) as a sort of test for myself to see how actual maintenance might work but also because I feel like I eat my goal just because sometimes. I did log Monday but came in about with about 400 calories left because I ran out of snacks, heh.
This has turned out to be a double edged sword. I no longer feel the need to finish what I have made/have in front of me. Nor do I fiddle around to see if I can add in a little extra of this because RESTRICTED (psychologically speaking, I don't technically restrict anything but calories). So this is curious. Good news I suppose. Don't imagine it will last forever, the bloat and lack of appetite that is. I'd like the laissez faire attitude to eating everything I have portioned out to stay.
TOMORROW. Eat at least two "proper" meals. And snacks. Diet break ain't worth shiz if you still eat at a deficit! This has never been a problem before. It's a strange turn of events.4 -
VintageFeline wrote: »I don't think I'm diet breaking right. Some of this is because I am feeling bloated and on top of that there's the, let's change things up, malaise I am dealing with. Neither a winning combination for wanton indulgence but still, this is me, I am a winner at eating. Except when I'm not.
I have literally just made myself have some tortilla chips and cheese dip (of the cheap and cheerful variety you only indulge quietly in at Christmas) because I have barely eaten today! And I didn't really eat a lot yesterday either. I stopped logging in MFP (but doing some casual mental math) as a sort of test for myself to see how actual maintenance might work but also because I feel like I eat my goal just because sometimes. I did log Monday but came in about with about 400 calories left because I ran out of snacks, heh.
This has turned out to be a double edged sword. I no longer feel the need to finish what I have made/have in front of me. Nor do I fiddle around to see if I can add in a little extra of this because RESTRICTED (psychologically speaking, I don't technically restrict anything but calories). So this is curious. Good news I suppose. Don't imagine it will last forever, the bloat and lack of appetite that is. I'd like the laissez faire attitude to eating everything I have portioned out to stay.
TOMORROW. Eat at least two "proper" meals. And snacks. Diet break ain't worth shiz if you still eat at a deficit! This has never been a problem before. It's a strange turn of events.
I get it. By a few weeks in to the diet break that wasn't, feeling punk and grumpy (b/c that's pretty much the norm atm), I was just like 'really?? But I don't wanna eat'. I'm so over food currently. Luckily my TDEE has been lower a few days this week with being housebound by stupid nature, so it hasn't been as difficult. Yesterday was only 1850 cals, and I was a-ok with that.
I can't even go 'meh, I'll make that up on Christmas Day' b/c I already have 5250 cals in the body bank if I want to bump back up to 61 kg Ah, me and my First World problems... 2 -
I am supposed to start a diet break on Friday, but my hubby is home from London and in a foul mood, we went to Aldi in search for a proper ham leg (got mini ones instead, probably more sensible as I can freeze the so and sos if we aren't eating them quickly enough), I managed truffled steak, half a baked potato some broccoli and half a bottle of red within my allotment and the good cognac is calling me and has fallen into my glass. I guess I am starting early.
(logging does at least make you cognisant of your bad decisions 6 -
I've made the decision to drive both ways to BBQ. Just can't stand the thought of sunblock on my skin. I had stuck a couple of bottles of cider in the fridge to take with me, but not going to bother. If they happen to have some I may have one, but that's it.1
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Does @psuLemon not love us anymore? He hasn't posted in here in yonks.2
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Terebynthia wrote: »I am supposed to start a diet break on Friday, but my hubby is home from London and in a foul mood, we went to Aldi in search for a proper ham leg (got mini ones instead, probably more sensible as I can freeze the so and sos if we aren't eating them quickly enough), I managed truffled steak, half a baked potato some broccoli and half a bottle of red within my allotment and the good cognac is calling me and has fallen into my glass. I guess I am starting early.
(logging does at least make you cognisant of your bad decisions
Ha, I started mine early too and now I can't even eat enough! I too went to Aldi this morning. I didn't get ham. I did get booze and nibbly bits (and loo roll because that's how exciting my life is).Nony_Mouse wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »I don't think I'm diet breaking right. Some of this is because I am feeling bloated and on top of that there's the, let's change things up, malaise I am dealing with. Neither a winning combination for wanton indulgence but still, this is me, I am a winner at eating. Except when I'm not.
I have literally just made myself have some tortilla chips and cheese dip (of the cheap and cheerful variety you only indulge quietly in at Christmas) because I have barely eaten today! And I didn't really eat a lot yesterday either. I stopped logging in MFP (but doing some casual mental math) as a sort of test for myself to see how actual maintenance might work but also because I feel like I eat my goal just because sometimes. I did log Monday but came in about with about 400 calories left because I ran out of snacks, heh.
This has turned out to be a double edged sword. I no longer feel the need to finish what I have made/have in front of me. Nor do I fiddle around to see if I can add in a little extra of this because RESTRICTED (psychologically speaking, I don't technically restrict anything but calories). So this is curious. Good news I suppose. Don't imagine it will last forever, the bloat and lack of appetite that is. I'd like the laissez faire attitude to eating everything I have portioned out to stay.
TOMORROW. Eat at least two "proper" meals. And snacks. Diet break ain't worth shiz if you still eat at a deficit! This has never been a problem before. It's a strange turn of events.
I get it. By a few weeks in to the diet break that wasn't, feeling punk and grumpy (b/c that's pretty much the norm atm), I was just like 'really?? But I don't wanna eat'. I'm so over food currently. Luckily my TDEE has been lower a few days this week with being housebound by stupid nature, so it hasn't been as difficult. Yesterday was only 1850 cals, and I was a-ok with that.
I can't even go 'meh, I'll make that up on Christmas Day' b/c I already have 5250 cals in the body bank if I want to bump back up to 61 kg Ah, me and my First World problems...
If I don't make it up Christmas day (which is a possibility if I do make it to my friend but at this point I don't think I'm safe to drive) then I will make it up Boxing day when I make my goose fat roast potatoes. And garlic/anchovy/rosemary rub slow roasted lamb shoulder. Well, bit of shoulder. Going to do some bread sauce too.
Oh no! I've just remembered the man sneezing his way round Aldi not even trying to cover his mouth or nose. If I get sick I am going to hunt that man down I swear to god.4 -
Was it just my Aldi or was your Aldi also bloody rubbish? I bought 4 of their mini hams because it was better than nothing but I got a full leg of Serrano there two years ago for 30 quid. And there was no good game in the freezer, or decent anchovies, Polish section or pates. We snagged posh French gin, a 74 Armagnac and some good cognac but it definitely felt like sad cheer compared to another year. I will need to send hubby out to Lidl tomorrow methinks
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It wasn't great from what I could see, I'm sure I got a four bird roast there a couple years ago? Lidl might be better this time round but I'm not doing any more shopping other than to get veg!1
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Well, I've made an impulsive decision: I'm in. Starting tomorrow, I'm jumping on this diet break train and riding it until 2018. I realized reading this thread that I've been feeling kind of constrained food-wise recently and finding planning my lunches to be a bit of a drag, which wasn't what I expected would trigger a break but seems as good as anything. Plus I'm donating blood tomorrow which means an unscheduled maintenance day anyhow.
I'm a little nervous about setting a calorie goal because of how my logging has been so consistently off, probably due to my drinking situation. My logging had me at maintenance for the first half of this month, for example, only I lost a pound and a third during that time instead. So my thinking for diet break is to set my calorie goal *from food only* at a 100/day deficit and see what happens.
So a question that's probably been answered somewhere in the last 110 pages: how can you tell you're on track during a break given normal weight fluctuations if the break only lasts a couple of weeks? I'm planning on switching up my exercise routine a bit too, so who knows what my weight's gonna do.5 -
I would just pick a number that seems about right and go with it (if not using a tracker that has proved its worth). It's a psychological break too, so eat some more, relax and you will get a lot of benefit even if you don't quite make it up to maintenance.0
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VintageFeline wrote: »I would just pick a number that seems about right and go with it (if not using a tracker that has proved its worth). It's a psychological break too, so eat some more, relax and you will get a lot of benefit even if you don't quite make it up to maintenance.
Yeah, that makes sense. I've gotten into a weird mood recently of feeling like I need to "pad" my calories to hit my goals, which is super weird because CLEARLY I know how to eat more food, and my weekday goal is only 1430, which isn't a ton of calories ffs.0 -
So I'm going to do some further food elimination testing, this time targeting things that are either high in histamine, or that release histamine when ingested. I'll talk to my doctor about this tomorrow when I see her obviously (since I kinda skipped that step when I cut out gluten, and therefore can't be tested, or at least not without suffering weeks of painful eczema to prove a point). There may be tests she wants done to check histamine levels (which would presumably require stopping antihistamines). This is a 'backed by science' thing, there have been controlled studies done and ingested histamine is definitely an issue for some people with atopic dermatitis (oooh, getting fancy and using the medical term!).
Unfortunately, this means saying goodbye to some of my favourite things. I don't plan to go gung ho and cut out all the things the many, many woo sites on the interwebs say I should, I'll start with top culprits as listed in scientific papers. Of things I currently eat, that means spinach - the basis of my salad every night (shame about those plants I have ready to put in the garden), strawberries (shame about those plants I already planted), chocolate (wtf????? and shame about all that chocolate in my pantry), spices (goodbye cinnamon in coffee and breakfast yoghurt), and may rethink wine on Christmas Day. Red wine is definitely out (not that I was planning that for Xmas anyway). Oh and 'additives', what the hell does that even mean?? Yoghurt seems to be a point of contention (the fermentation thing), since it's not listed in the research review I'm currently reading, I'm going to conveniently ignore that one for now. Have seen avocados on several lists, but again not in the research review. Oh and all citrus, so no more lemon or lime juice in salad dressing or my avocado and cottage cheese mix.
It's not the end of the world. I could live with this if it helped. 'Cept maybe the chocolate thing. I'm sure that must be a typo.
Obviously I still intend to enjoy Christmas Day, including all of the chocolate, but then I will knuckle down. Le sigh.7 -
This was an interesting tidbit in the research review (cos I flare around ovulation): "A significant increase in weal and flare size in response to histamine has been observed to correspond to ovulation and peak estrogen concentrations".1
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And dammit, my protein powders are...strawberry and chocolate (yes, they contain the real things, not just flavouring). Guess I'll be getting some vanilla then
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Reporting in after 36 hours of diet break
Well the effects Lyle discusses in the video have come into force already.
Body temperature has risen significantly. I'm hot, I can feel the heat coming off my skin. I'm also sweating much more. Whether this is simply thermogenesis due to increased calories alone I can't say.
However, alongside the temperature I feel much more energetic, stronger physically and weirdly a real sense of drive and purpose. Without being too graphic there's also an increase in ahem 'bloodflow'
Reckon I'll absolutely smash it when I get in the gym. Awesome feeling8 -
New whoosh this morning! Am *finally* back down to the August weight.
Have absolutely no clue if it'll stick around, but considering I'm also supposedly pre-cyclical (according to my app), I'll be somewhat eager to see what happens now over the holidays and my vacation. The idea of water weight from my trip scares the crap out of me, but I'll talk to my therapist tomorrow about how to mitigate that. Part of me wants to order a travel scale, and part of me knows I shouldn't have one... but I'm also getting hung up on "I don't know if it is or isn't a problem unless I know what the number is."
At any rate, I'm definitely planning on eating closer to maintenance while I'm gone. London has far too many delicious calories, and I figure I'll be walking like crazy.8 -
collectingblues wrote: »New whoosh this morning! Am *finally* back down to the August weight.
Have absolutely no clue if it'll stick around, but considering I'm also supposedly pre-cyclical (according to my app), I'll be somewhat eager to see what happens now over the holidays and my vacation. The idea of water weight from my trip scares the crap out of me, but I'll talk to my therapist tomorrow about how to mitigate that. Part of me wants to order a travel scale, and part of me knows I shouldn't have one... but I'm also getting hung up on "I don't know if it is or isn't a problem unless I know what the number is."
At any rate, I'm definitely planning on eating closer to maintenance while I'm gone. London has far too many delicious calories, and I figure I'll be walking like crazy.
As a (transplanted because from Scotland) Londoner, can confirm so much delicious. But yeah, just the amount of walking through tube stations will get you a fair few extra cals to play with!2 -
Rickster1967 wrote: »Reporting in after 36 hours of diet break
Well the effects Lyle discusses in the video have come into force already.
Body temperature has risen significantly. I'm hot, I can feel the heat coming off my skin. I'm also sweating much more. Whether this is simply thermogenesis due to increased calories alone I can't say.
Reckon I'll absolutely smash it when I get in the gym. Awesome feeling
Too bad you didn't have an avg daily temp while in the diet, to compare to now, to compare to later when eating at maintenance. Since a person's avg temp does have a bearing on metabolism and calorie burn.
This is exactly the effect that one just can't know about when actually in it, regarding gym performance.
Giving it your all and feeling like it, in a perpetual tired state, versus in a recovered energetic state - feels the same.
Obviously the effect on the body is vastly different.
For like strength training, if the weight suddenly goes up 5-10 lbs on the bar, it doesn't mean you instantly gained muscle or strength.
It merely means the prior workouts weren't really the overload, if much, on the muscles that it was thought to be.
And since for something like lifting, it's all about overload for progression, it means the workouts really weren't all they could have been.
The benefit was minimal.
No matter how they "felt" subjectively. And in the case of objective measures of increase, you'll discover now probably it wasn't as good as it could have been.
Now you know why when you have less to loose, it is absolutely of benefit to purposely try to lose slower, rather than the body just forcing it on you by adapting more.
You'll benefit from the workouts more.
Transform the body more.
Look like you are making more progress than scale weight alone might suggest.
I'd suggest right now start looking at that 2 lb weekly as a good limit, that 3lb is of course not sustainable as fat only.
At 50 lbs, drop to 1.5 weekly.
30, 1 lb.
10-15, 1/2 weekly.8 -
VintageFeline wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »New whoosh this morning! Am *finally* back down to the August weight.
Have absolutely no clue if it'll stick around, but considering I'm also supposedly pre-cyclical (according to my app), I'll be somewhat eager to see what happens now over the holidays and my vacation. The idea of water weight from my trip scares the crap out of me, but I'll talk to my therapist tomorrow about how to mitigate that. Part of me wants to order a travel scale, and part of me knows I shouldn't have one... but I'm also getting hung up on "I don't know if it is or isn't a problem unless I know what the number is."
At any rate, I'm definitely planning on eating closer to maintenance while I'm gone. London has far too many delicious calories, and I figure I'll be walking like crazy.
As a (transplanted because from Scotland) Londoner, can confirm so much delicious. But yeah, just the amount of walking through tube stations will get you a fair few extra cals to play with!
I lived in Wales for a year. I have a fairly lengthy list of where the delicious calories will come from.
First stop, Christmas tea at Langham's! (Literally. My flight lands at 11:05 a.m. I have a reservation for tea at 3:15.)3 -
Im also considering jumping on the diet break bandwagon, I need to go through and read more of the thread, i havent lost any weight since the end of November, the last day I lost weight is actually the day I quit smoking. I've been dieting since March and have lost 50 pounds, I think a diet break may be what I need.6
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When I get to 30lb to go I'm going to go full re-comp programme rather than the current fat loss plan. This is so I don't end up a scrawny little guy at 150lbs. I have been big & buff many times before so I'll be able to re-comp well. And be able to train much harder eating TDEE calories rather than 20% deficit.
Will pick a load more ideas from Lyle to get set up for that. I don't mind taking another year to do the re-comp if need be. Can always do a rapid fat loss plan every now and then to drop a bit more. Bulk-cut-bulk cycles will be the way it goes until it's time to go maintenance only1 -
Rickster1967 wrote: »Reporting in after 36 hours of diet break
Well the effects Lyle discusses in the video have come into force already.
Body temperature has risen significantly. I'm hot, I can feel the heat coming off my skin. I'm also sweating much more. Whether this is simply thermogenesis due to increased calories alone I can't say.
However, alongside the temperature I feel much more energetic, stronger physically and weirdly a real sense of drive and purpose. Without being too graphic there's also an increase in ahem 'bloodflow'
Reckon I'll absolutely smash it when I get in the gym. Awesome feeling
LMAO at "increased bloodflow." I hope you're... "enjoying" that side effect.laurenebargar wrote: »Im also considering jumping on the diet break bandwagon, I need to go through and read more of the thread, i havent lost any weight since the end of November, the last day I lost weight is actually the day I quit smoking. I've been dieting since March and have lost 50 pounds, I think a diet break may be what I need.
Not losing is a drag, but I am so envious of your quitting smoking! My spouse and I are going to give it another go this winter, so here's hoping it's the try that sticks!1 -
Well, my spouse loved the idea of my taking a break - he's been nothing but supportive, not to mention appreciative of the fact that I've been dragging him along in my healthier wake and he's lost weight as well this year. I ended up hitting roughly maintenance last night, so that'll ultimately give me a 12-day break instead of 11. I didn't weigh this morning and don't think I will for a day or two, just to let things settle down a bit and to take a break from that, too. I'm tempted to take a break from logging but I think I'll save that for another time because I really want to see how the numbers come out. This was absolutely the right decision though - the sense of relief I felt last night on the way home was an unexpected confirmation that it was time for a break.
ETA: I slept in too late to work out this morning, so I'm on an unplanned exercise break as well, which I'm less happy with. I'm going to buy the Fitness Blender bodyweight program today and get back on that horse tomorrow if I'm feeling up for it after donating blood today.6 -
MegaMooseEsq wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »Reporting in after 36 hours of diet break
Well the effects Lyle discusses in the video have come into force already.
Body temperature has risen significantly. I'm hot, I can feel the heat coming off my skin. I'm also sweating much more. Whether this is simply thermogenesis due to increased calories alone I can't say.
However, alongside the temperature I feel much more energetic, stronger physically and weirdly a real sense of drive and purpose. Without being too graphic there's also an increase in ahem 'bloodflow'
Reckon I'll absolutely smash it when I get in the gym. Awesome feeling
LMAO at "increased bloodflow." I hope you're... "enjoying" that side effect.laurenebargar wrote: »Im also considering jumping on the diet break bandwagon, I need to go through and read more of the thread, i havent lost any weight since the end of November, the last day I lost weight is actually the day I quit smoking. I've been dieting since March and have lost 50 pounds, I think a diet break may be what I need.
Not losing is a drag, but I am so envious of your quitting smoking! My spouse and I are going to give it another go this winter, so here's hoping it's the try that sticks!
I have no idea if its from quitting smoking or what? I actually quit smoking and replaced it with vaping three years ago and finally kicked the vaping/ nicotine habit end of November. Surprisingly I cant seem to find anything online about people quitting smoking and then not losing weight, unless of course they were eating more, and then they were gaining. Maybe my body is rehydrating or repairing itself either way its driving me crazy lol I was at 167.6 when I quit, this morning 167 >.<
Great job wanting to quit smoking though, I really hope it sticks, I definitely feel much better! I went on a long hike this past weekend, one that we have done before. Theres a giant hill at the end that I had to stop a few times on last time we went in October. I made it all the way up without having to stop this time it was a great feeling! 7 -
So now have 800g I can gain on Christmas Day. FFS. I was going to say at least it seems to be slowing, but that's another 1/2 kg in the past week. I is broken? And more importantly, how do I market this and make squillions of dollars?? I need to start reading some of those mice studies, they have to be inducing the eczema in them somehow.
@Rickster1967 - awesome that you are seeing positive effects already. It's amazing how we don't even realise how much lower our energy is at a deficit, eh? This is why when people who have been at a deficit a long time say 'but I don't feel like I need a break yet' I say 'do it anyway'.
@collectingblues - yay whoosh!!
@MegaMooseEsq - glad you are already feeling the psychological benefits! You'll likely see a slight uptick on the scale from glycogen replenishment and more food in your system, but that will level off after a few days. You may also see a drop if you have been lugging around some cortisol-induced water weight (I was even after only six weeks)
@laurenebargar - do the break! Most of what you need to know in terms of how to etc is in the first post now, including the link to the diet break article, but loads of testimonials scattered through the thread to ease your mind that you're not going to gain 10 lbs oh and kitties and puppies!!
I think my infected bite is looking better this morning, after liberal application of straight liquid iodine. But also I've been off my leg for 8 hours doing the sleep thing. Keeping the doctor's appt anyway so I can talk to her about food elimination stuff. Oh, did I mention cheese in the list of high histamine foods? Gah! It's okay, I can forgo cheese for a bit. My understanding of this whole thing, if it is an issue for me, is that it is a matter of tolerance, so I will hopefully be able to reintroduce things, just not eat them all on the same day and in limited amounts (what's that you say about moderation?).
Christmas forecast is looking good, 23 C, cloudy periods, possibility of one or two showers but I bet it doesn't, and northerly wind. Wind is perfect because from that direction the old sand dune right behind my house blocks it. Huzzah!!8
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