Of refeeds and diet breaks
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Oh, protein powder, mine aren't sweetened, and the plain is literally plain.
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My scale was somewhat kinder to me this morning. Yesterday afternoon, the hungries set in, so I decided to make refeed weekend Fri/Sat and ate to maintenance yesterday.
So. much. breakfast. cereal. Tonight will be pizza.
Anyway, I woke up this morning to the scale being only half a pound above my previous low weight, which just confuses the hell out of me because I ate damned near a box of breakfast cereal (seriously, there's less than half a serving left in the box) yesterday with yogurt to eat up to maintenance calories. The water weight with that should be mighty. I can only just shrug my shoulders at this point.5 -
Thanks to everybody for the plain powder info.1
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@JerSchmare If you'd rather read.
https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-full-diet-break.html/
I thought there was one on refeeds too but not coming up with it. It may be back in the first few pages.
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JerSchmare wrote: »I will NEVER watch this. Can someone summarize?
Oh and @JerSchmare, if you've been at a deficit for a while, diet break is where you should start anyway. This explains all: https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-full-diet-break.html/
And yes, handy synopsis on p.6. There's a more recent one, but I forget which page.1 -
@JerSchmare If you'd rather read.
https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-full-diet-break.html/
I thought there was one on refeeds too but not coming up with it. It may be back in the first few pages.
Dammit!!
Nope, no article on refeeds, we discuss them at length in the first several pages, but as I said, diet break is what Jer probably needs first, unless he's already done that.3 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »My scale was somewhat kinder to me this morning. Yesterday afternoon, the hungries set in, so I decided to make refeed weekend Fri/Sat and ate to maintenance yesterday.
So. much. breakfast. cereal. Tonight will be pizza.
Anyway, I woke up this morning to the scale being only half a pound above my previous low weight, which just confuses the hell out of me because I ate damned near a box of breakfast cereal (seriously, there's less than half a serving left in the box) yesterday with yogurt to eat up to maintenance calories. The water weight with that should be mighty. I can only just shrug my shoulders at this point.
Yes, I am quoting myself because I'm sitting here teary eyed almost thinking back to yesterday afternoon and how it all went down and remembering my behaviors this past year vs. how implementing and knowing about hormones and what happens during dieting has done to turn things around for me.
Yesterday afternoon, the hungries set in, but not only that, the hedonic urge for the cereal set in. It started calling me. It wasn't quite meal time yet, and one of my behavioral things is generally sticking pretty faithfully to meal times.
I reasoned with myself that if the hungries were setting in, that it was probably time for my refeed to start. I had a crapton of calories left in the day, and a serving of yogurt and a whack of cereal at that point would still leave me with 800 or so calories. So, into the kitchen I went and served myself.
In the past, I would have white-knuckled through to dinner, then likely binged after (there's a second box of cereal in the pantry, btw).
I felt nice and pleasantly full and had a lovely walk after that.
Dinner time came and I decided I wanted more cereal instead of what I had made for dinner. Hedonic urge again. In the past, I would have eaten the dinner, then binged on the cereal and then the second box. All without weighing out serving sizes and measuring intake.
So, I dished out my yogurt, measured 4 servings of cereal, and chowed down. I was too full to have the rest of my pot of brewing chocolate and half and half that I'd already logged.
I'll have last night's leftovers for lunch today.
This whole knowing what's going on when those hungries set in and doing stuff like this in a controlled fashion has been such a game changer for me. Instead of thinking that I'm weak and need to power through? Just need to eat at maintenance for a day or two to recharge. It's awesome.12 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »@JerSchmare If you'd rather read.
https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-full-diet-break.html/
I thought there was one on refeeds too but not coming up with it. It may be back in the first few pages.
Dammit!!
Nope, no article on refeeds, we discuss them at length in the first several pages, but as I said, diet break is what Jer probably needs first, unless he's already done that.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »
7.5 kilosNony_Mouse wrote: »Okay, let's make this fun, bets on how much water weight Nony can gain on pred. I'm on day 3 of 5 at twice a day (though I can scale down as soon as the rash has cleared, so may get away with four days), and 5 days at once a day (though if I only do four at twice a day I may be able to do fewer at one as well, need to check with doctor on that. Ovulation around mid next week should also be taken into account. Could be Wednesday, could be Saturday, or anywhere in between.
8.8 to 9.9 lbs. Gone within 22 days (21+1)
God, that long?? I actually realised that if I do gain in the realm of 4.5 kg, that almost puts me back to mid-August. I know it's water, but...can't it just drop off in like, a day?? Two?? If I low carb and eat loads of potassium?
ACV. With, uh, witch hazel/coffee/green tea/mud. And plastic wrap.5 -
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »My scale was somewhat kinder to me this morning. Yesterday afternoon, the hungries set in, so I decided to make refeed weekend Fri/Sat and ate to maintenance yesterday.
So. much. breakfast. cereal. Tonight will be pizza.
Anyway, I woke up this morning to the scale being only half a pound above my previous low weight, which just confuses the hell out of me because I ate damned near a box of breakfast cereal (seriously, there's less than half a serving left in the box) yesterday with yogurt to eat up to maintenance calories. The water weight with that should be mighty. I can only just shrug my shoulders at this point.
Yes, I am quoting myself because I'm sitting here teary eyed almost thinking back to yesterday afternoon and how it all went down and remembering my behaviors this past year vs. how implementing and knowing about hormones and what happens during dieting has done to turn things around for me.
Yesterday afternoon, the hungries set in, but not only that, the hedonic urge for the cereal set in. It started calling me. It wasn't quite meal time yet, and one of my behavioral things is generally sticking pretty faithfully to meal times.
I reasoned with myself that if the hungries were setting in, that it was probably time for my refeed to start. I had a crapton of calories left in the day, and a serving of yogurt and a whack of cereal at that point would still leave me with 800 or so calories. So, into the kitchen I went and served myself.
In the past, I would have white-knuckled through to dinner, then likely binged after (there's a second box of cereal in the pantry, btw).
I felt nice and pleasantly full and had a lovely walk after that.
Dinner time came and I decided I wanted more cereal instead of what I had made for dinner. Hedonic urge again. In the past, I would have eaten the dinner, then binged on the cereal and then the second box. All without weighing out serving sizes and measuring intake.
So, I dished out my yogurt, measured 4 servings of cereal, and chowed down. I was too full to have the rest of my pot of brewing chocolate and half and half that I'd already logged.
I'll have last night's leftovers for lunch today.
This whole knowing what's going on when those hungries set in and doing stuff like this in a controlled fashion has been such a game changer for me. Instead of thinking that I'm weak and need to power through? Just need to eat at maintenance for a day or two to recharge. It's awesome.
Thanks for posting this!...it's something I hope to look forward to someday as I can certainly relate to a lot of what you described in your post about your past eating behavior & with you now knowing what's going on & how to get through it.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Takes me an absolute age to get rid of water weight, nothing I have tried has any significant impact. Sigh.
Yeah, I was actually thinking of you when that realisation hit. I was all, 'I know it's water, but what if it doesn't come off and I stay a blimp' ('cept with water instead of helium or whatever, no floating skywards for me!)
That's pretty much where I am right now. Because ... yeah. Wits end, because surely water weight cannot hang around for this long.
My dietitian says it can six months to a year for things to completely settle out. There are no words to describe the face I made at her (the words out of my mouth at her were along the lines of "Oh hell no."). She said with a client she had where it took a year, she was impressed that they managed to not kill each other during that time.
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collectingblues wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Takes me an absolute age to get rid of water weight, nothing I have tried has any significant impact. Sigh.
Yeah, I was actually thinking of you when that realisation hit. I was all, 'I know it's water, but what if it doesn't come off and I stay a blimp' ('cept with water instead of helium or whatever, no floating skywards for me!)
That's pretty much where I am right now. Because ... yeah. Wits end, because surely water weight cannot hang around for this long.
My dietitian says it can six months to a year for things to completely settle out. There are no words to describe the face I made at her (the words out of my mouth at her were along the lines of "Oh hell no."). She said with a client she had where it took a year, she was impressed that they managed to not kill each other during that time.
OMG, six months? That's really a long game.1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Takes me an absolute age to get rid of water weight, nothing I have tried has any significant impact. Sigh.
Yeah, I was actually thinking of you when that realisation hit. I was all, 'I know it's water, but what if it doesn't come off and I stay a blimp' ('cept with water instead of helium or whatever, no floating skywards for me!)
That's pretty much where I am right now. Because ... yeah. Wits end, because surely water weight cannot hang around for this long.
My dietitian says it can six months to a year for things to completely settle out. There are no words to describe the face I made at her (the words out of my mouth at her were along the lines of "Oh hell no."). She said with a client she had where it took a year, she was impressed that they managed to not kill each other during that time.
OMG, six months? That's really a long game.
Hence my look at her of "WTF?!"1 -
I've been lurking since page 1. As an experiment, I started refeeds on the weekends (10/14) - kept protein (115g or above) & fat (50g or below) at usual levels and upped carbs til I was at maintenance those days. I celebrated Thanksgiving with reckless abandon - logged everything but didn't stress, 'cause pie, and leftovers - which made that weekly average at maintenance or a little above. In these 7 weeks I am down #5 which is a bit more than my plan to lose about .5# a week, but I am not complaining. Weekends with hearty wheat pancakes are awesome. Thanks for the thread and also for the company
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ZOMG, between my two lots of sleep, Fitbit says I got 9 hours 40! I sure as hell don't feel like it.
Not really capable of coherent thought (or spelling), barely into first coffee. Need to make breakfast so I can get pred in. Day 5, yes it will be both doses.
Oh, and just like weight loss is not linear, neither is pred-induced water gain it seems, same as yesterday. Small blessings. I did take extra magnesium last night, but that was more for sleep. I also put a lavender and I forget what else oil blend on my wrists and pillow, and had some Rescue Remedy sleep formula. And I patch-tested some manuka honey on my thigh yesterday evening too. Go on, woo away.
Oh, funnily enough, AVC is actually meant to work for eczema, like legit, supported. Refuse to try it on principle.5 -
I hate those days where despite following my protein targets, I am simply hungry All Stupid Day long.
I get the feeling that this is one of those "I'm going to hit TDEE whether or not I actually want to" sort of days. Because this is ridiculous.0 -
collectingblues wrote: »I hate those days where despite following my protein targets, I am simply hungry All Stupid Day long.
I get the feeling that this is one of those "I'm going to hit TDEE whether or not I actually want to" sort of days. Because this is ridiculous.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »I hate those days where despite following my protein targets, I am simply hungry All Stupid Day long.
I get the feeling that this is one of those "I'm going to hit TDEE whether or not I actually want to" sort of days. Because this is ridiculous.
Listen to your body, m'dear
Oh, I'm feeding it. I am not amused -- and every fiber of my brain is shouting "You'll never get the weight off at this rate!" -- but I am begrudgingly giving in.3 -
collectingblues wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »I hate those days where despite following my protein targets, I am simply hungry All Stupid Day long.
I get the feeling that this is one of those "I'm going to hit TDEE whether or not I actually want to" sort of days. Because this is ridiculous.
Listen to your body, m'dear
Oh, I'm feeding it. I am not amused -- and every fiber of my brain is shouting "You'll never get the weight off at this rate!" -- but I am begrudgingly giving in.
Same, same.
I had to fight big time to (almost, missed by 89 cals) hit TDEE yesterday. But a big part of that was the nausea that came along for the ride with the afternoon flare.1
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