Of refeeds and diet breaks
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. One of these days I'll work out how to use the 'quote' properly and how to delete a post!
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@tar2323 - first, welcome aboard!! Second, Kiwi, Brit or Aussie? (mince pies and sausage rolls, you can't be in North America, right?)
Can't delete posts (you can edit by hovering over the little wheel at the top right of your post for one hour after posting). Quotes, hit the quote button in the bottom line, but sometimes it gets mucked up.0 -
collectingblues wrote: »Another 1.5 pounds off this morning!
Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »@tar2323 - first, welcome aboard!! Second, Kiwi, Brit or Aussie? (mince pies and sausage rolls, you can't be in North America, right?)
Can't delete posts (you can edit by hovering over the little wheel at the top right of your post for one hour after posting). Quotes, hit the quote button in the bottom line, but sometimes it gets mucked up.
Thanks for the welcome - Brit here
I know how to edit and post a single quote, but if I want to quote one of two or more, that's where it all goes down the pan. I read a lot but rarely post - I expect I'll get the hang of it in time.
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OMG guyz, I ate 350 cals over what Fitbit said and I gained 300g!! Should I do a detox?? (actually, someone tried to convince me I should at the project bbq the other day, I suggested we agree to disagree on that)
Anyhoo, normal fluctuations, nice to not see a drop again (so weird! and yes, the brain hamsters are chirping that they want the drop). I actually don't mind hovering between 60 and 61, I just don't want to drop below.5 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »@tar2323 - first, welcome aboard!! Second, Kiwi, Brit or Aussie? (mince pies and sausage rolls, you can't be in North America, right?)
Can't delete posts (you can edit by hovering over the little wheel at the top right of your post for one hour after posting). Quotes, hit the quote button in the bottom line, but sometimes it gets mucked up.
Thanks for the welcome - Brit here
I know how to edit and post a single quote, but if I want to quote one of two or more, that's where it all goes down the pan. I read a lot but rarely post - I expect I'll get the hang of it in time.
Ah, I usually cheat and do new posts for each person I'm replying to, because it's so easy to muck up!! I think best way if they're all on the same page is to quote the first, write your response, have the cursor where you want the next one (so hit return a couple of times), hit quote, write response, and so on.1 -
Got 1600 cals to go today, got slow roast brisket, mashed potatoes, veggies then some stewed fruit and custard
Diet break rocks5 -
Rickster1967 wrote: »Got 1600 cals to go today, got slow roast brisket, mashed potatoes, veggies then some stewed fruit and custard
Diet break rocks
Are you doing the 'omg, this is so much food, how did I ever get fat?' thing yet?
Of course, it's more mindful, and more nutrient dense food. So, way more bang for your buck than calorie dense, less nutritious stuff (which is of course fine in moderation!).0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »OMG guyz, I ate 350 cals over what Fitbit said and I gained 300g!! Should I do a detox?? (actually, someone tried to convince me I should at the project bbq the other day, I suggested we agree to disagree on that)
Anyhoo, normal fluctuations, nice to not see a drop again (so weird! and yes, the brain hamsters are chirping that they want the drop). I actually don't mind hovering between 60 and 61, I just don't want to drop below.
*giggles* I've heard that one, too, just last weekend in fact, from my best friend. She tends toward conspiracy theories and though she does spend hours upon hours in research, she doesn't trust mainstream stuff and tends to listen to this little obscure places, and as a result, tends to buy into some of the homepathic stuff, including the detox concepts.
Instead of starting an argument, I just told her what I was doing works, so I'm not going to mess with it!
I'm down 99 lbs - that last measely 1 lb to 100 lbs lost is killing me! Yesterday didn't help - went over because of a holiday luncheon and I couldn't stay out of the oreo dirt cake or the chocolate covered strawberries - but the strawberries were more berry than chocolate, and I avoided the cupcakes, so end result was better than what it would have been this time last year. Of course the high sodium foods that were there resulted in water weight bloat this morning. *wince*
On the positive front, I realized this week that I wasn't just flirting with getting into a size 22W - I was there, which is absolutely amazing to me considering I started at a 30W (US sizes, of course). I had always thought I'd be lucky to get to a 22W, and an 18W was nothing more than a pipe dream, but now I think I just might make it.8 -
"Well, it's hard to tell what happened there with actual fat loss due to not knowing what your weight was before the weekend. That high weight is artificially high due to extra food and water in your system, so it wasn't all fat loss that you saw on the scale that week.
When you say you check and double check everything, do you also verify data base entries?"
Weight at the start of the weekend was 166.
Re data base entries, I go by food packaging labels for cal content (or use the US database for guidance), then find a correct MFP database entry or make my own if there isn't one.
I think I probably have lost more than .5lb a week on average, looking back. More than a pound some weeks, sometimes two, other times I can swing back and forth over the same pound for 10 days. I had a month or two in the middle when I stopped counting and gained a bit back, which is now gone again.
I'm a yo-yo dieter - I've lost and gained the same 5 or 6 stone more times than I care to count. Usually through heavily restricting cals more than was healthy because I was impatient for results - not something I'm doing this time. It's much harder this time around (slower) but that's to be expected. I also feel better equipped to keep it off going forward. Knowing the science behind it all really helps. If you do A+B, you get C (for the most part).
Okay, so that's about .8 pounds there.
Let's say you're losing about .75 pounds a week on average maybe.
That's about a 375 calorie deficit a day, so try eating 1575-1600 for your diet break and see what happens.5 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »OMG guyz, I ate 350 cals over what Fitbit said and I gained 300g!! Should I do a detox?? (actually, someone tried to convince me I should at the project bbq the other day, I suggested we agree to disagree on that)
Anyhoo, normal fluctuations, nice to not see a drop again (so weird! and yes, the brain hamsters are chirping that they want the drop). I actually don't mind hovering between 60 and 61, I just don't want to drop below.
*giggles* I've heard that one, too, just last weekend in fact, from my best friend. She tends toward conspiracy theories and though she does spend hours upon hours in research, she doesn't trust mainstream stuff and tends to listen to this little obscure places, and as a result, tends to buy into some of the homepathic stuff, including the detox concepts.
Instead of starting an argument, I just told her what I was doing works, so I'm not going to mess with it!
Yes, this chap believes ALL of the woo - chem trails, hurricanes and earthquakes are manufactured, vaccines are bad, detox, detox, detox. Normally I just smile and nod, it's easier and I know he's someone there is no point arguing it with (he told me I'm too much of a scientist! Um, yup, and that means I just may have looked at the scientific merit of these things, or lack there of), but as has already been demonstrated in this thread a couple of weeks back, I'm not taking particularly kindly to dumb *kitten* suggestions of what will 'cure' me. I was still fully polite about it, but I was pretty close to running out of patience.
I'm friends with his son too, who I'm pretty sure does not believe the woo.2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
"Well, it's hard to tell what happened there with actual fat loss due to not knowing what your weight was before the weekend. That high weight is artificially high due to extra food and water in your system, so it wasn't all fat loss that you saw on the scale that week.
When you say you check and double check everything, do you also verify data base entries?"
Weight at the start of the weekend was 166.
Re data base entries, I go by food packaging labels for cal content (or use the US database for guidance), then find a correct MFP database entry or make my own if there isn't one.
I think I probably have lost more than .5lb a week on average, looking back. More than a pound some weeks, sometimes two, other times I can swing back and forth over the same pound for 10 days. I had a month or two in the middle when I stopped counting and gained a bit back, which is now gone again.
I'm a yo-yo dieter - I've lost and gained the same 5 or 6 stone more times than I care to count. Usually through heavily restricting cals more than was healthy because I was impatient for results - not something I'm doing this time. It's much harder this time around (slower) but that's to be expected. I also feel better equipped to keep it off going forward. Knowing the science behind it all really helps. If you do A+B, you get C (for the most part).
Okay, so that's about .8 pounds there.
Let's say you're losing about .75 pounds a week on average maybe.
That's about a 375 calorie deficit a day, so try eating 1575-1600 for your diet break and see what happens.
Some weeks more, some less, but on average that sounds about right. I'll try at around the level you suggest and monitor things, taking into account water weight fluctuations etc. I'll also try not to panic that it'll all go horribly wrong and I'll put it all back on (in 2/3 weeks, haha - I know, totally irrational). Thanks for taking the time.0 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
"Well, it's hard to tell what happened there with actual fat loss due to not knowing what your weight was before the weekend. That high weight is artificially high due to extra food and water in your system, so it wasn't all fat loss that you saw on the scale that week.
When you say you check and double check everything, do you also verify data base entries?"
Weight at the start of the weekend was 166.
Re data base entries, I go by food packaging labels for cal content (or use the US database for guidance), then find a correct MFP database entry or make my own if there isn't one.
I think I probably have lost more than .5lb a week on average, looking back. More than a pound some weeks, sometimes two, other times I can swing back and forth over the same pound for 10 days. I had a month or two in the middle when I stopped counting and gained a bit back, which is now gone again.
I'm a yo-yo dieter - I've lost and gained the same 5 or 6 stone more times than I care to count. Usually through heavily restricting cals more than was healthy because I was impatient for results - not something I'm doing this time. It's much harder this time around (slower) but that's to be expected. I also feel better equipped to keep it off going forward. Knowing the science behind it all really helps. If you do A+B, you get C (for the most part).
Okay, so that's about .8 pounds there.
Let's say you're losing about .75 pounds a week on average maybe.
That's about a 375 calorie deficit a day, so try eating 1575-1600 for your diet break and see what happens.
Some weeks more, some less, but on average that sounds about right. I'll try at around the level you suggest and monitor things, taking into account water weight fluctuations etc. I'll also try not to panic that it'll all go horribly wrong and I'll put it all back on (in 2/3 weeks, haha - I know, totally irrational). Thanks for taking the time.
Well, none of the rest of us put it all back on, so I think you're safe
. You'll get an uptick at the start with glycogen replenishment and more food in your system, then it should level off. 3 -
My body is glycogen replenishing HARD. Or I failed to moderate that giant box of chocolates amongst other things and now have some impressive bloat going on. You decide. Pass the detox tea! What? I need to be nice and clean for all the roast tatties imma eat on Monday.........6
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Absolutely stuffed and still got 500 to go, had wonderful brisket (grass fed organic yada yada)
Gonna have a flapjack to complete daily calories2 -
VintageFeline wrote: »My body is glycogen replenishing HARD. Or I failed to moderate that giant box of chocolates amongst other things and now have some impressive bloat going on. You decide. Pass the detox tea! What? I need to be nice and clean for all the roast tatties imma eat on Monday.........
Totes glycogen.
I am puddling around trying to get things ship shade for Christmas guests. Removed the outer ring of stones on the fire circle in my backyard (debating whether to keep as fire circle, or turn into little garden bed) so I could mow the overgrown grass sprouting through them, vast improvement! Moved the weeds I pulled the other day to a hidden area at the very back of the property. Still need to pick up all the fern fronds (I had planned to put these in the wood shed until after our five days of rain next week before laying them in the gardens), but that's now down to a day and a half of showers. Think I will still wait and see how much water Mother Nature provides). I need to tidy the house and vacuum, and pop to the next town to pick up my Fitbit strap (though still debating leaving that until next week, that shopping centre complex will be madness today). Will pull more weeds from the gardens tonight.
I would like to strength train today, and preferably before it gets any hotter, but it's honestly not top of the priority list. I'm just feeling soft and squishy from the lack.
Christmas forecast is still holding tight.
Oh, and my great plan to get to market early today was also everyone else's great plan.0 -
I marketed today. It was a nightmare. I spent 20 minutes negotiating a parking lot. This wasn't the sort of driving around looking for a spot sort of deal either. It was simply a matter of entering at one end and needing to get to a store at the shopping center that was at the other end. Frightful.0
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I marketed today. It was a nightmare. I spent 20 minutes negotiating a parking lot.
My market is a 10 minute walk from home thankfully!! And that is exactly why I don't want to go pick up that Fitbit strap. I don't think I really need anything else from there, so best to save myself the angst. Driving in that town is a nightmare at the best of times.0 -
So, Nony's dress pictures got me to get up the courage to post this one. I'm doing Rent the Runway for the dress that I'm wearing to Hamilton next week (OMG I get to see Hamilton in London!), and while I never do anything this slinky, OMG I love it. I can't tell if it makes my hips look big, or just actually gives me a waist, but oh, it does look fantastic. (And no apologies for the unmade bed.
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I had the same negotiations with a parking lot on Wednesday. The kicker being they had blokes at the entrance directing people in when clearly there weren't enough spaces. And I pissed someone off because I think I nabbed their space by swinging down a one way system the wrong way for a space two in from the end (so I barely went the wrong way). As I was just pulling in a big 4x4 hit his horn and then camped out behind me for a few minutes. Sorry mate, snooze you lose!
I have set my alarm for tomorrow morning so I can get in and out of the supermarket as early and as easily as possible. I really wish I didn't care and could be content with frozen veg but nope, I have to go into the fray two days before Christmas because I need my fresh veg. And a pudding. Got to have pudding. Sorry, dessert. I'm a commoner, I eat pudding (which isn't a specific thing like in the US, it's a catch all).
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collectingblues wrote: »So, Nony's dress pictures got me to get up the courage to post this one. I'm doing Rent the Runway for the dress that I'm wearing to Hamilton next week (OMG I get to see Hamilton in London!), and while I never do anything this slinky, OMG I love it. I can't tell if it makes my hips look big, or just actually gives me a waist, but oh, it does look fantastic. (And no apologies for the unmade bed.
Oh, that's lovely and looks great on you. I really like that color too. Lucky you seeing Hamilton in London!2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »So, Nony's dress pictures got me to get up the courage to post this one. I'm doing Rent the Runway for the dress that I'm wearing to Hamilton next week (OMG I get to see Hamilton in London!), and while I never do anything this slinky, OMG I love it. I can't tell if it makes my hips look big, or just actually gives me a waist, but oh, it does look fantastic. (And no apologies for the unmade bed.
Oh, that's lovely and looks great on you. I really like that color too. Lucky you seeing Hamilton in London!
The color is the entire reason I got it. They sent out a promo email about jewel holiday colors, and I saw the dress, and had that moment of "I need to have this now."
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VintageFeline wrote: »I had the same negotiations with a parking lot on Wednesday. The kicker being they had blokes at the entrance directing people in when clearly there weren't enough spaces. And I pissed someone off because I think I nabbed their space by swinging down a one way system the wrong way for a space two in from the end (so I barely went the wrong way). As I was just pulling in a big 4x4 hit his horn and then camped out behind me for a few minutes. Sorry mate, snooze you lose!
I have set my alarm for tomorrow morning so I can get in and out of the supermarket as early and as easily as possible. I really wish I didn't care and could be content with frozen veg but nope, I have to go into the fray two days before Christmas because I need my fresh veg. And a pudding. Got to have pudding. Sorry, dessert. I'm a commoner, I eat pudding (which isn't a specific thing like in the US, it's a catch all).
I don't know if it's the same where you are, but around here, a good majority of the people who drive 4x4's act and drive as if they think that having such a vehicle grants them special privileges. Usually, the more expensive the 4x4 is, the more apparent this effect is.3 -
@collectingblues - you look fab! No big hips and a definite waist
@VintageFeline - of course it's pudding.
I was going to get GF fruit mince pies, but not at bloody $12 for six.
I think I am done with food shopping. I have: halloumi, corn on the cob, asparagus and portabella mushrooms (which will have blue cheese put on them) for the BBQ. I think we are also doing BBQ roast potatoes. Cherry liqueur chocs, Terry's choc orange and scorched almonds, blueberries, cherries and watermelon, Xmas snack/energy balls (aka truffles), avocado to make guacamole, Kayla is getting GF corn chips for me cos cheaper in the city, making the pav here tomorrow, and also bringing cheeses and all the booze. Did we forget something?1 -
Rickster1967 wrote: »Second day of higher calorie eating has been harder, it's 8.20pm and I should eat 650 cals more. Have to find some energy dense foods I guess coz I'm not hungry eating these filling, healthy foods that I have been on whilst dieting hard.
Anyway, here's a question:
with 73lb to target weight, how much more should I drop using deficit calories before switching to recomposition?
I was thinking of dropping another 40 to 45lbs then switching to recomp
It's best to go on BF% - not super accurate, but good estimate.
12-15% higher end to start.
Otherwise you get some negatives regarding insulin and uptake that just doesn't benefit the attempted muscle building.
What % range would you recommend for women?0 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »I had the same negotiations with a parking lot on Wednesday. The kicker being they had blokes at the entrance directing people in when clearly there weren't enough spaces. And I pissed someone off because I think I nabbed their space by swinging down a one way system the wrong way for a space two in from the end (so I barely went the wrong way). As I was just pulling in a big 4x4 hit his horn and then camped out behind me for a few minutes. Sorry mate, snooze you lose!
I have set my alarm for tomorrow morning so I can get in and out of the supermarket as early and as easily as possible. I really wish I didn't care and could be content with frozen veg but nope, I have to go into the fray two days before Christmas because I need my fresh veg. And a pudding. Got to have pudding. Sorry, dessert. I'm a commoner, I eat pudding (which isn't a specific thing like in the US, it's a catch all).
I don't know if it's the same where you are, but around here, a good majority of the people who drive 4x4's act and drive as if they think that having such a vehicle grants them special privileges. Usually, the more expensive the 4x4 is, the more apparent this effect is.
Here, the 4x4's are often driven by old people (we have a high elderly population in both towns, cos nice weather, average age in my little town is 65). These people are also terrible drivers.0 -
Oh and I have premium vanilla bean ice cream, berry sorbet and chocolate gelato. The latter two may as well get eaten so they're not tempting me with their stupid histamines (they usually go in my protein shakes).2
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Well, I decided to take today off of work, so my holiday weekend has officially began! I celebrated by sleeping until 2:30 and then settling in from of the tv with a big pot of chai. Lovely. We went out the last couple of nights but just for drinks, not dinner. Three nights in a row is a bit much, but I’d kind of love a nice meal out. My husband cooked the last couple of nights and it was great, but it’s just not quite the same.
I weighed myself after getting up today and am up a little more than a pound from a couple of days ago - not nearly as much as I’d been expecting, but I suppose I haven’t been eating low carb and have had my regular feast/refeed days all along, so this isn’t too big of a change.2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »@collectingblues - you look fab! No big hips and a definite waist
@VintageFeline - of course it's pudding.
I was going to get GF fruit mince pies, but not at bloody $12 for six.
I think I am done with food shopping. I have: halloumi, corn on the cob, asparagus and portabella mushrooms (which will have blue cheese put on them) for the BBQ. I think we are also doing BBQ roast potatoes. Cherry liqueur chocs, Terry's choc orange and scorched almonds, blueberries, cherries and watermelon, Xmas snack/energy balls (aka truffles), avocado to make guacamole, Kayla is getting GF corn chips for me cos cheaper in the city, making the pav here tomorrow, and also bringing cheeses and all the booze. Did we forget something?
That's it, I'm moving to the southern hemisphere. I like your Christmas meals much better.2
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