Of refeeds and diet breaks
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collectingblues wrote: »Hot water again ($350.00 later, ugh). The guy who did the repair was trying to sell up an updated version of the water heater for twice that, and since this one's only about 3 years old, and we'll probably get 3 more years at least out of it, no thanks. I took a shower at the gym Sunday since we were going out, yuck, just nasty. Basically clean, but people leave residue like hair and melted soap bars all over. Glad I don't have to use it every day!
Mmmm, that chocolate is eye-candy as much as mouth-candy! I've never seen anything like that.
This must be expensive repairs week. I had my annual boiler inspection today, and the tech came out, very apologetic, and explained that mine is discharging 2500 ppm of carbon monoxide to the outside vent, and that's a problem. (Inside is "only" 16 ppm.) His concern is if the vent pipe springs a leak, that we've suddenly got a fatal situation.
I trust this company, and I've used them for years (and the previous owners did before that), so I know he's being honest with me.
Options are to try to rebuild a 35-year-old boiler, with no guarantee that it'll fix the problem, or to replace it.
They'll do an estimate on Thursday for replacement cost. It looks in the ballpark of $5K to $10K. I figure if they'll do it for $7K or below, I'll replace. If not, I'll rebuild, and hope for the best.
Homeownership is so much fun.
Oh noooo! I'm so sorry to hear that - and what a horrible time of year to have to deal with this! On the other hand, carbon monoxide poisoning is a real threat, and I'm really glad you found out before anything fatal happened.
Yeah, the timing was not fantastic on this one -- I leave for London in a week for vacation.
Normally I'd feel guilty about the expense, but it's not like I can recoup the money I've already spent -- the plane tickets were the most expensive, and they're non-refundable.
My emergency account can't absorb the hit, and I don't want to raid my IRA because of the tax implications, but I did apply for and got a new credit card that has 0 percent interest for 18 months. I had another card I could have thrown it on, but 0 is better than 20 percent. (And 20 was better than the tax hit.)
I keep telling myself that this is an emergency, and that it was 35 years old -- so it probably needed to be replaced at some point. Better to learn this when it's not an acute emergency, and when I can take a few days to make some decisions.
The woman who made the appointment for the estimate said that they'd give some options in a variety of price ranges, so hopefully there is something there that is sub $7K. They told the tech the ballpark of $5K to $10K, with the caveat of "could be more, could be less" depending on how efficient I wanted to take it. I figure at this point, anything that's not 35 years old is automatically going to be more efficient.3 -
Excellent job! You can ask for a fasting insulin blood draw at the same time you get a fasting HbA1C draw, and fasting glucose. Then you can plug insulin and glucose into this calculator to determine your IR score: https://www.thebloodcode.com/homa-ir-calculator/
The A1C is just going to be a measure for long-running glucose, but either way that's excellent news. Metformin actually has no adverse effects long-term, improves insulin sensitivity, and may actually attenuate some cancer agents: http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/37/7/1786
However, if you would like to not be on prescription metformin, berberine hcl actually works the same and perhaps may be better overall since it doesn't cause much distress at higher doses.
Thank you! The A1C is excellent news as there is a high incidence of diabetes in my family - especially my mother's side, and both of my parents and my sister all 3 are now type 2 diabetics, so I'm very happy to see that I'm not inching in that direction myself. In truth, not wanting to be a diabetic is one of the things that finally get me past my mental hurdles back in January to start losing weight - well, that coupled with my age and knowing that the older I was as an obese person, the greater my health risks would be.
Thanks for the link - that is interesting! Though I'm one of the outliers; I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer in 3 nodules in 2014 after having been on high doses of metformin since 2005. But who knows? My cancer was caught early and though the goiters were large - one almost the size of a half dollar - the cancer cells only half filled them and had not spread beyond, and my bloodwork since 2014 has been excellent; I've been told I'm in the lowest possible percentile for re-occurrence, which is excellent news, so perhaps the metformin had something to do with that; I wonder if they are also testing to see if metformin can also slow cancer growth?
I was prescribed metformin when I was diagnosed with PCOS in 2005; at the time, it was just automatically done as metformin was thought to be a big help with PCOS symptoms. I was told I was insulin resistant at that time even though my blood sugar has never been out of the normal range and that the metformin should help delay onset of diabetes, especially considering my family history for that disease.
Nowadays, from what I'm seeing, the benefits of meformin for PCOS patients is in question and it's not seen as quite the miracle drug it once was. And its been linked with B12 deficiency and has been shown to interfer with thyroid medication. Of course, its mild and can be monitored - my B12 levels are checked often and are fine, and I make sure to take my synthroid at a different time than my metformin, and even it the metformin is making the synthroid a little less effective, all my doctor does is increases my dosage until I'm where she wants me to be.
I'm just one of those folks who'd like to be taking as little medication as possible and woudl prefer not to take something that I don't really need. That, and I really get tired of being flagged as being diabetic when I'm not; since metformin is considered a diabetes drug, if you're prescribed it, its often assumed you have diabetes.
However, with that formula you posted, now I really would like to get the numbers and see if I'm still insulin resistant. I checked back to my test results, and the ones I had 2 weeks ago did not include insulin levels; I'll have to make sure the doctor requests that next time!4 -
collectingblues wrote: »Hot water again ($350.00 later, ugh). The guy who did the repair was trying to sell up an updated version of the water heater for twice that, and since this one's only about 3 years old, and we'll probably get 3 more years at least out of it, no thanks. I took a shower at the gym Sunday since we were going out, yuck, just nasty. Basically clean, but people leave residue like hair and melted soap bars all over. Glad I don't have to use it every day!
Mmmm, that chocolate is eye-candy as much as mouth-candy! I've never seen anything like that.
This must be expensive repairs week. I had my annual boiler inspection today, and the tech came out, very apologetic, and explained that mine is discharging 2500 ppm of carbon monoxide to the outside vent, and that's a problem. (Inside is "only" 16 ppm.) His concern is if the vent pipe springs a leak, that we've suddenly got a fatal situation.
I trust this company, and I've used them for years (and the previous owners did before that), so I know he's being honest with me.
Options are to try to rebuild a 35-year-old boiler, with no guarantee that it'll fix the problem, or to replace it.
They'll do an estimate on Thursday for replacement cost. It looks in the ballpark of $5K to $10K. I figure if they'll do it for $7K or below, I'll replace. If not, I'll rebuild, and hope for the best.
Homeownership is so much fun.
Ouch! That sounds a lot like what happened to ours - I'm pretty sure the landlords paid about $7k for a new one. The worst part? A month later they had to pay to have the ceiling in the dining room replaced after a huge chunk of plaster fell in. I would have totally understood if they'd raised our rent, but thankfully not, seven years and counting!0 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »
Excellent job! You can ask for a fasting insulin blood draw at the same time you get a fasting HbA1C draw, and fasting glucose. Then you can plug insulin and glucose into this calculator to determine your IR score: https://www.thebloodcode.com/homa-ir-calculator/
The A1C is just going to be a measure for long-running glucose, but either way that's excellent news. Metformin actually has no adverse effects long-term, improves insulin sensitivity, and may actually attenuate some cancer agents: http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/37/7/1786
However, if you would like to not be on prescription metformin, berberine hcl actually works the same and perhaps may be better overall since it doesn't cause much distress at higher doses.
Thank you! The A1C is excellent news as there is a high incidence of diabetes in my family - especially my mother's side, and both of my parents and my sister all 3 are now type 2 diabetics, so I'm very happy to see that I'm not inching in that direction myself. In truth, not wanting to be a diabetic is one of the things that finally get me past my mental hurdles back in January to start losing weight - well, that coupled with my age and knowing that the older I was as an obese person, the greater my health risks would be.
Thanks for the link - that is interesting! Though I'm one of the outliers; I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer in 3 nodules in 2014 after having been on high doses of metformin since 2005. But who knows? My cancer was caught early and though the goiters were large - one almost the size of a half dollar - the cancer cells only half filled them and had not spread beyond, and my bloodwork since 2014 has been excellent; I've been told I'm in the lowest possible percentile for re-occurrence, which is excellent news, so perhaps the metformin had something to do with that; I wonder if they are also testing to see if metformin can also slow cancer growth?
I was prescribed metformin when I was diagnosed with PCOS in 2005; at the time, it was just automatically done as metformin was thought to be a big help with PCOS symptoms. I was told I was insulin resistant at that time even though my blood sugar has never been out of the normal range and that the metformin should help delay onset of diabetes, especially considering my family history for that disease.
Nowadays, from what I'm seeing, the benefits of meformin for PCOS patients is in question and it's not seen as quite the miracle drug it once was. And its been linked with B12 deficiency and has been shown to interfer with thyroid medication. Of course, its mild and can be monitored - my B12 levels are checked often and are fine, and I make sure to take my synthroid at a different time than my metformin, and even it the metformin is making the synthroid a little less effective, all my doctor does is increases my dosage until I'm where she wants me to be.
I'm just one of those folks who'd like to be taking as little medication as possible and woudl prefer not to take something that I don't really need. That, and I really get tired of being flagged as being diabetic when I'm not; since metformin is considered a diabetes drug, if you're prescribed it, its often assumed you have diabetes.
However, with that formula you posted, now I really would like to get the numbers and see if I'm still insulin resistant. I checked back to my test results, and the ones I had 2 weeks ago did not include insulin levels; I'll have to make sure the doctor requests that next time!
The way I see it, Metformin for PCOS is the equivalent of being put on BPC for menstrual regulation. It doesn't mean anything other than it's a measure to counter dysfunctional hormone secretion. For PCOS, incidence of insulin resistance is high which is a precursor for metabolic syndrome like diabetes, so Metformin is just a way of keeping glucose disposal in check as well as reducing insulin resistance. Fat loss via strength/resistance training in PCOS diagnoses actually helps twofold: 1) improves body composition (without change in weight) and 2) improves inherent insulin resistance found in PCOS women. Add a proper hypocaloric diet and you can include fat weight loss as well.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0138793
To address any B12 deficiencies, it's the argument why vegans and vegetarians need to supplement it, because they avoid animal sourced protein. The debate that B12 needs to come from plant life originally is true, but the ruminant digestion actually makes it bioavailable in animal tissue as well, so either way, B12 can be addressed in a variety of ways.
As for Metformin addressing the cancer cell growth, it's only plausible at this time to say whether it was the sole reason for reducing the rate of growth, however, it also can't be discounted because it is seen to have an effect, so it's also very possible that it did help. But it is good to know that recurrence is unlikely, or at least very low, so that's always good to hear!0 -
Hey, we have hugs now. Hugs all around. Lol9
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But at the price of awesome...
Anyhoo, guessing game time. This is my Pa, guess how old he is.
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Things are getting a bit weird when you wake up and have to read this thread to work out whether you actually read and saw pictures of @Nony_Mouse in snow, or if you were just dreaming.... Just dreaming! Nony, you'd made a few snowmen, and a snow violin that you were pretending to play, and you were very excited! Haha3
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livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Things are getting a bit weird when you wake up and have to read this thread to work out whether you actually read and saw pictures of @Nony_Mouse in snow, or if you were just dreaming.... Just dreaming! Nony, you'd made a few snowmen, and a snow violin that you were pretending to play, and you were very excited! Haha
FFS, went to hit 'awesome'. That is totally something I would do, because I do get very excited about snow.2 -
@Nony_Mouse - put me down for 68.1
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I spend one day out running errands and you all are busy bees posting away.
Speaking of running, I felt somewhat back to halfway energetic this morning and ran some intervals on the treadmill this morning. The real test will be to see if I feel okay tomorrow or if I feel wiped out in the aftermath.
I really would love to slowly work my way back into it, because I do miss it.
Hugs to everyone now I guess. At least the woo button is no longer ambiguous.4 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I spend one day out running errands and you all are busy bees posting away.
Speaking of running, I felt somewhat back to halfway energetic this morning and ran some intervals on the treadmill this morning. The real test will be to see if I feel okay tomorrow or if I feel wiped out in the aftermath.
I really would love to slowly work my way back into it, because I do miss it.
Hugs to everyone now I guess. At least the woo button is no longer ambiguous.
'Like', I guess, though that really should be awesome for the running.
Hay fever is kicking my *kitten* today. I may need to take another antihistamine, which will be my third in 6 hours, so likely means napping.0 -
My new bling arrived!! I has Fitbit on my wrist again!!!! It makes the actual device bit seem really, really huge. Haven't heard from the store yet about the official replacement. Hopefully that happens by Friday morning, because I so don't want to go near the shopping centre on the weekend.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »My new bling arrived!! I has Fitbit on my wrist again!!!! It makes the actual device bit seem really, really huge. Haven't heard from the store yet about the official replacement. Hopefully that happens by Friday morning, because I so don't want to go near the shopping centre on the weekend.
Ah so pretty. I have so many issues with straps, which is much better now that my watch takes standard watch straps. I get an intense dermatitis/allergic reaction to anything that isn't completely breathable. So silicon straps are a no, leather straps are a no. I have settled on milanese stainless steel for the last couple and will keep an eye out for something more exciting.
And I went to a mall yesterday. Hated life and everyone in it, spent at least 20 minutes just trying to find a parking space. Hence chocolate reward. And then it was so draining mentally on top of already ridiculous levels of fatigue that I fell asleep really early but then was really restless so awake by 5am. I am making use of being up early though and heading to the supermarket for Christmas food supplies as soon as it opens. I can't deal with hordes of people at all right now. Will still need to grab a couple things nearer Monday but will get the worst of it out the way today.
My scale bounce is a bit up today but I did weigh in a much shorter period of sleep which always makes it higher so not worried.2 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »My new bling arrived!! I has Fitbit on my wrist again!!!! It makes the actual device bit seem really, really huge. Haven't heard from the store yet about the official replacement. Hopefully that happens by Friday morning, because I so don't want to go near the shopping centre on the weekend.
Ah so pretty. I have so many issues with straps, which is much better now that my watch takes standard watch straps. I get an intense dermatitis/allergic reaction to anything that isn't completely breathable. So silicon straps are a no, leather straps are a no. I have settled on milanese stainless steel for the last couple and will keep an eye out for something more exciting.
And I went to a mall yesterday. Hated life and everyone in it, spent at least 20 minutes just trying to find a parking space. Hence chocolate reward. And then it was so draining mentally on top of already ridiculous levels of fatigue that I fell asleep really early but then was really restless so awake by 5am. I am making use of being up early though and heading to the supermarket for Christmas food supplies as soon as it opens. I can't deal with hordes of people at all right now. Will still need to grab a couple things nearer Monday but will get the worst of it out the way today.
My scale bounce is a bit up today but I did weigh in a much shorter period of sleep which always makes it higher so not worried.
I am honestly amazed that I haven't reacted to the silicone strap at all, though I do wear it a bit loose so maybe that's it. This one is stainless steel. I had to take out the whole chain link section for it to fit my wrist. It is cheap bling, but very pretty and shiny and sparkly
Also sees good and sturdy.
I need to make a proper list for Christmas food supplies. So far I pretty much just have chocolates
(but three varieties - chocolate orange, the cherry liqueurs and some dark choc scorched almonds). I think other than cheeses most other stuff will be bought fresh at market on Saturday morning (and I will be going early this week!!). Oh and wine. Need to make a list...run it by niece, see what I can get her to buy... 2 -
I tried the strap looser. I tried giving it time. I applied steroid cream religiously. All no cigar. My first strap I adjusted to and then when I switched watches I was totally fine for a while. And then boom, skin flared up and never liked silicon or leather again!0
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VintageFeline wrote: »I tried the strap looser. I tried giving it time. I applied steroid cream religiously. All no cigar. My first strap I adjusted to and then when I switched watches I was totally fine for a while. And then boom, skin flared up and never liked silicon or leather again!
Well, it seems to be mostly nature that I'm allergic to, so maybe that's it. What's the bet I react to the pretty stainless steel? I have actually reacted to the back of watches before, but I don't think ever the strap.0 -
Starting Diet Break today, looking forward to it8
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I spend one day out running errands and you all are busy bees posting away.
Speaking of running, I felt somewhat back to halfway energetic this morning and ran some intervals on the treadmill this morning. The real test will be to see if I feel okay tomorrow or if I feel wiped out in the aftermath.
I really would love to slowly work my way back into it, because I do miss it.
Hugs to everyone now I guess. At least the woo button is no longer ambiguous.
lol - I must be very dense because I'm still not exactly sure which version of "woo" they are referring to with the little face. But that's probably because I can't really make out what the face's expression is. At least I understand the hug!1 -
collectingblues wrote: »Hot water again ($350.00 later, ugh). The guy who did the repair was trying to sell up an updated version of the water heater for twice that, and since this one's only about 3 years old, and we'll probably get 3 more years at least out of it, no thanks. I took a shower at the gym Sunday since we were going out, yuck, just nasty. Basically clean, but people leave residue like hair and melted soap bars all over. Glad I don't have to use it every day!
Mmmm, that chocolate is eye-candy as much as mouth-candy! I've never seen anything like that.
This must be expensive repairs week. I had my annual boiler inspection today, and the tech came out, very apologetic, and explained that mine is discharging 2500 ppm of carbon monoxide to the outside vent, and that's a problem. (Inside is "only" 16 ppm.) His concern is if the vent pipe springs a leak, that we've suddenly got a fatal situation.
I trust this company, and I've used them for years (and the previous owners did before that), so I know he's being honest with me.
Options are to try to rebuild a 35-year-old boiler, with no guarantee that it'll fix the problem, or to replace it.
They'll do an estimate on Thursday for replacement cost. It looks in the ballpark of $5K to $10K. I figure if they'll do it for $7K or below, I'll replace. If not, I'll rebuild, and hope for the best.
Homeownership is so much fun.
Carbon monoxide, smoke etc. detectors aren't expensive, best get one!
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »But at the price of awesome...
Anyhoo, guessing game time. This is my Pa, guess how old he is.
75 - 80
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I'm splurging a little on myself for the holiday, though I probably really shouldn't considering what I've spent in new clothes recently......
I've got to take my car in to have the heating checked out - the passenger side is toasty while the driver's side is cold, and flushing the heating core didn't help. I think its a blend door actuator or valve, but I'm not sure which one is the problem and since the parts involved are $100 each, I'm taking it to the dealer to narrow down exactly what part needs replaced. Though after I made the appointment yesterday, of course, this morning, I noticed more heat on the driver's side.......it will probably behave itself quite nicely at the dealership!
anyway, I decided to splurge and get a haircut at a pricier place than my usual haunt of Supercuts in Walmart I've got thin hair on the finer side, and I struggle to get volume; my hair wants to plaster itself to my head, which just makes my face look huge and round. I want a cut that will look like I have more hair! I'm hopeless at determining what would look good, so I scheduled a consultation at Ulta beauty. I'm hoping they can help me figure out what would look better, and not just give me the cut I asked for like the other place usually does.
It's Christmas after all, and sometimes a gal just wants to feel pretty, right? Especially after she's dropped 100 lbs and 3 clothing sizes! lol6 -
Rickster1967 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Noobish question, are refeeds only for low-carb dieters? I've mostly seen them in the context of keto/low-carb diets.
What they said!!
My take from the podcast is that refeeds are beneficial for everyone, not just those already lean or doing competition stuff, but they become increasingly important the leaner you get.
I really, really want him to finish his new book for women.
Yes, that's what I meant but didn't put it too well. There can be some benefit for pretty much anyone, but they become pretty important when you're lean already and trying to get that extra bit.
Yeah, I figured that's what you meant, just clarifying for anyone who may read and think 'oh, I don't have to worry about that yet'. I think both refeeds and diet breaks should be incorporated by everyone from early on.
Lyle does make the point that those first four to six weeks at a deficit for a lot of people (esp long term overweight) may need to be pretty tunnel vision deficit, 'healthy' foods, because they're resetting taste buds and solidifying new behaviours.
I'm 50 and been overweight 10 years so I guess that counts as long term, right?
Anyway, my PT who set my programme up explained exactly that point to me at the beginning.
He said I would need to stay in deficit til I've dropped 60lbs or something, then to do the re-feed.
I have re-set the taste buds & established new behaviour. I'll listen to Kyles' podcast above, this is all really
useful info for me.
Sad thing is 10 years ago I was super lean & buff having spent the previous 5 years in the gym pretty much every day
Let it ALL go really badly (Credit Crunch victim)
Getting it back now though
Wow this worked out perfectly
That post was on 20 October.
I started Diet Break today having dropped 63lb already, 73 still to go
I still don't really feel hungry and I could carry on with current deficit. However, I want the
benefits of the diet break when I push through to target weight. Probably going to need more breaks
as the weight comes off
I'll let you know how it goes although will be going for re-comp before getting to target8 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I spend one day out running errands and you all are busy bees posting away.
Speaking of running, I felt somewhat back to halfway energetic this morning and ran some intervals on the treadmill this morning. The real test will be to see if I feel okay tomorrow or if I feel wiped out in the aftermath.
I really would love to slowly work my way back into it, because I do miss it.
Hugs to everyone now I guess. At least the woo button is no longer ambiguous.
lol - I must be very dense because I'm still not exactly sure which version of "woo" they are referring to with the little face. But that's probably because I can't really make out what the face's expression is. At least I understand the hug!
It's the 'that's pseudoscience nonsense' woo.
Only two people game to guess my Dad's age? Yeesh! Just as well I didn't ask you to guess mine! He'll be 86 in April.
So, this is how good I am at maintenance
Ahahahahaha
I'm aiming to eat what my Fitbit tells me until Christmas Day, just to see if I am actually still dropping now that TOM bloat is out of the picture. Though, have a project BBQ this afternoon so that will be guesstimating. I'm still in two minds as to whether to brave sunblock and walk (my skin is a bit stingy today), or drive and not be able to have a couple of drinks. I'm such a lightweight now that a couple of drinks and I'm tipsy. Fine for meandering home on my footsies, not for driving at open road speeds for 12 minutes, even though I'd technically be well under the limit. I can take my parasol if the wind doesn't get up, but that only protects my head and shoulders. I need a freaking golf umbrella sized one.
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Rickster1967 wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Noobish question, are refeeds only for low-carb dieters? I've mostly seen them in the context of keto/low-carb diets.
What they said!!
My take from the podcast is that refeeds are beneficial for everyone, not just those already lean or doing competition stuff, but they become increasingly important the leaner you get.
I really, really want him to finish his new book for women.
Yes, that's what I meant but didn't put it too well. There can be some benefit for pretty much anyone, but they become pretty important when you're lean already and trying to get that extra bit.
Yeah, I figured that's what you meant, just clarifying for anyone who may read and think 'oh, I don't have to worry about that yet'. I think both refeeds and diet breaks should be incorporated by everyone from early on.
Lyle does make the point that those first four to six weeks at a deficit for a lot of people (esp long term overweight) may need to be pretty tunnel vision deficit, 'healthy' foods, because they're resetting taste buds and solidifying new behaviours.
I'm 50 and been overweight 10 years so I guess that counts as long term, right?
Anyway, my PT who set my programme up explained exactly that point to me at the beginning.
He said I would need to stay in deficit til I've dropped 60lbs or something, then to do the re-feed.
I have re-set the taste buds & established new behaviour. I'll listen to Kyles' podcast above, this is all really
useful info for me.
Sad thing is 10 years ago I was super lean & buff having spent the previous 5 years in the gym pretty much every day
Let it ALL go really badly (Credit Crunch victim)
Getting it back now though
Wow this worked out perfectly
That post was on 20 October.
I started Diet Break today having dropped 63lb already, 73 still to go
I still don't really feel hungry and I could carry on with current deficit. However, I want the
benefits of the diet break when I push through to target weight. Probably going to need more breaks
as the weight comes off
I'll let you know how it goes although will be going for re-comp before getting to target
Yep, the less body fat you have, the more frequently you need to take breaks.
Good to see all those health markers in the healthy range btw. I hope you are a) feeling much better physically, and b) a bit more relaxed/less urgent about the rest of the trip to goal now that the health pressure is off 3 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Noobish question, are refeeds only for low-carb dieters? I've mostly seen them in the context of keto/low-carb diets.
What they said!!
My take from the podcast is that refeeds are beneficial for everyone, not just those already lean or doing competition stuff, but they become increasingly important the leaner you get.
I really, really want him to finish his new book for women.
Yes, that's what I meant but didn't put it too well. There can be some benefit for pretty much anyone, but they become pretty important when you're lean already and trying to get that extra bit.
Yeah, I figured that's what you meant, just clarifying for anyone who may read and think 'oh, I don't have to worry about that yet'. I think both refeeds and diet breaks should be incorporated by everyone from early on.
Lyle does make the point that those first four to six weeks at a deficit for a lot of people (esp long term overweight) may need to be pretty tunnel vision deficit, 'healthy' foods, because they're resetting taste buds and solidifying new behaviours.
I'm 50 and been overweight 10 years so I guess that counts as long term, right?
Anyway, my PT who set my programme up explained exactly that point to me at the beginning.
He said I would need to stay in deficit til I've dropped 60lbs or something, then to do the re-feed.
I have re-set the taste buds & established new behaviour. I'll listen to Kyles' podcast above, this is all really
useful info for me.
Sad thing is 10 years ago I was super lean & buff having spent the previous 5 years in the gym pretty much every day
Let it ALL go really badly (Credit Crunch victim)
Getting it back now though
Wow this worked out perfectly
That post was on 20 October.
I started Diet Break today having dropped 63lb already, 73 still to go
I still don't really feel hungry and I could carry on with current deficit. However, I want the
benefits of the diet break when I push through to target weight. Probably going to need more breaks
as the weight comes off
I'll let you know how it goes although will be going for re-comp before getting to target
Yep, the less body fat you have, the more frequently you need to take breaks.
Good to see all those health markers in the healthy range btw. I hope you are a) feeling much better physically, and b) a bit more relaxed/less urgent about the rest of the trip to goal now that the health pressure is off
Thanks
And yes the pressure is off somewhat because I am actually a functional human being now. I wasn't 155 days ago or probably even 60 days ago to be honest. The things one can't do when you are that fat, sick, depressed and unfit actually stop one from doing anything
Now I'm fit and functional. The sickness, depression and lethargy are gone. I'm aware of what I'm doing and how the process will go from here. The weight loss & fitness plan is now a parallel project with other things in life. Up to now it has been the number one priority over all other things.
Still need to drop a bunch of weight and I will. Looking forward to getting much fitter and stronger, lifting a lot heavier. Mainly looking forward to doing all the stuff I was missing out on when fat, sick and nearly dead
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Option Three is drive to work, leave car there and pick up tomorrow if I have a couple of drinks. This means I only need to sunblock for the walk home, and I'll be going to the shopping complex in the next town over tomorrow morning anyway.1
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Got to report in
I've eaten my Diet Break calories today and I gotta tell ya
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Rickster1967 wrote: »Got to report in
I've eaten my Diet Break calories today and I gotta tell ya
Feels awesome
You're killin' me, Smalls! Trying to hold out for onederland and/or January for a diet break.
Been on a plateau for about three weeks. I'm really tempted to start the diet break now. Right. Now.
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alteredstates175 wrote: »Rickster1967 wrote: »Got to report in
I've eaten my Diet Break calories today and I gotta tell ya
Feels awesome
You're killin' me, Smalls! Trying to hold out for onederland and/or January for a diet break.
Been on a plateau for about three weeks. I'm really tempted to start the diet break now. Right. Now.
Start now. You will get to Onederland quicker if you do, I bet.0
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