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Can you both desire to lose weight and be body positive?
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eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Science does not prove things with evidence. Science is the a philosophy about how to conduct unbiased observations of the material world married to people drawing conclusions and inferences about those observations (conclusions and inferences that suffer from the same biases and misconceptions as anything else). If scientists come up with an explanation for observations that then fits additional observations not previously made and then that explanatory framework allows for predictions about what we should observe if we do X and when we do X sure enough that is what we observe then we build confidence in that explanation, that conclusion. The more observations fit that explanation, the more predictions are validated, the more confidence we have in that explanatory model. That requires a lot more than one study. The removal of bias requires an averaging of many opinions over many observations fitting a predictive model developed over years of study.
There is no proof. Proof is a concept for mathematics, not science.
Things can be proven wrong.
Indeed. Like the theory that being overweight invariably means one is unhealthy.
HTH HAND
Was it proven wrong?
There's tens of thousands of examples falsifying the claim. so YES!!
Is it generally true that overweight/obese groups tend to be less healthy, yes. But is it an immutable law, No.
HAND
Sources?
I can prove it wrong. (see post above). I was overweight and overfat. I had regular checkups with my doctor and had zero health problems according to all medical tests (which at my age are many).
To say that you can't be overweight and healthy is akin to saying you can't be old and healthy or have a family history of disease and be healthy or be of certain race/ethnicity and be healthy, because age, family history, race/ethnicity are all risk factor for diseases.
Surely you can see the difference between risk of disease and actually having a disease.4 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
How does one be more healthy than healthy?1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
How does one be more healthy than healthy?
Less health risks.2 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".3 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
How does one be more healthy than healthy?
Less health risks.
Yes, but how does that make me more healthy right now?
You don't seem to understand how statistics work.4 -
stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?0 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.2 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?0 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?1 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
how could they be more healthy...and don't say less health risks because those are not absolutes...they are "educated guesses"
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.4 -
One does not need tens of thousands of studies to prove the first one faulty. One just needs one. It would be easier to make your point (and you have one) if you showed care with the logic.
There's an ideal fat ratio. Go below that ratio and the person is at greater risk for health issues.
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eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
There is an argument to be made for obesity = unhealthy since it is now a medical diagnosis. That's not true of overweight.
But you are still talking of risk/probability as if it's an absolute. Which it is not.2 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.1 -
One does not need tens of thousands of studies to prove the first one faulty. One just needs one. It would be easier to make your point (and you have one) if you showed care with the logic.
There's an ideal fat ratio. Go below that ratio and the person is at greater risk for health issues.
Can you source this graph please? I'd just like to read the one who made it explain it. And also the graph shows that with higher BMI comes higher health risks. That's what I'm saying. This graph doesn't prove the study faulty.5 -
stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.8 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
How do you know you are metabolically healthy?1 -
A risk factor is any attribute, characteristic or exposure of an individual that increases the likelihood of developing a disease or injury. Some examples of the more important risk factors are underweight, unsafe sex, high blood pressure, tobacco and alcohol consumption, and unsafe water, sanitation and hygiene.
just gonna drop the definition of risk in here...aka "there is a chance but not guaranteed"0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
How do you know you are metabolically healthy?
Because I literally just got blood tests for everything under the sun.
How do you know you are metabolically healthy?0 -
I skimmed most of the thread and didn't see this mentioned...
I think it depends on the person. To me, body positivity means not beating yourself up about how you look, body composition, weight, etc. You can still want to improve, to want more/better for yourself, and being body positive IS NOT an excuse to settle, but whether or not you can do both depends on how emotionally tied you are to those things (weight, appearance, etc).
People who don't put a lot of value in that will have an easier time doing both. People who put all their emotional eggs in their appearance basket will have a very difficult time doing both.1 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
How do you know you are metabolically healthy?
Because I literally just got blood tests for everything under the sun.
How do you know you are metabolically healthy?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23928851
Metabolically healthy obesity: definitions, determinants and clinical implications.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/overweight-and-healthy-the-concept-of-metabolically-healthy-obesity-201309246697
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265405.php0 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.3 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
How do you know you are metabolically healthy?
Because I literally just got blood tests for everything under the sun.
How do you know you are metabolically healthy?
but aren't you still considered overweight??? how can you be healthy?3 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
How do you know you are metabolically healthy?
Because I literally just got blood tests for everything under the sun.
How do you know you are metabolically healthy?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23928851
Metabolically healthy obesity: definitions, determinants and clinical implications.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/overweight-and-healthy-the-concept-of-metabolically-healthy-obesity-201309246697
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265405.php
First source- "for some time now there is no standard set of criteria to define metabolic health, thus impacting on the accurate estimation of the prevalence of the MHO phenotype and making comparability between studies difficult. Furthermore prospective studies tracking the development of cardiometabolic disease and mortality in MHO have also produced conflicting results. "
Second source- "Metabolically healthy obesity isn’t common. And it may not be permanent, warns Dr. Hu. Just because a person has metabolically healthy obesity at one point doesn’t it will stay that way. With aging, a slowdown in exercise, or other changes, metabolically healthy obesity can morph into its harmful counterpart.
It’s also important to keep in mind that obesity can harm more than just metabolism. Excess weight can damage knee and hip joints, lead to sleep apnea and respiratory problems, and contributes to the development of several cancers.
Bottom line? Obesity isn’t good, even if it’s the metabolically healthy kind."
Third source- "Findings of a study of 6,000 Americans aged 18 to 65 years over a 9-year period found that only 1.3 percent of people with obesity had no metabolic issues. "0 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
How do you know you are metabolically healthy?
Because I literally just got blood tests for everything under the sun.
How do you know you are metabolically healthy?
I see a lot of doctors at my age and have a lot of tests, including blood tests and a stress test. I'm good.
But then I don't smoke and I'm not overweight.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.0 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
Xrays don't show soft tissue.2 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.2 -
@Need2Exerc1se "I can prove it wrong. (see post above). I was overweight and overfat. I had regular checkups with my doctor and had zero health problems according to all medical tests (which at my age are many)."
How do you know you were healthy? Medical tests. Which is what I said I had done.
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