"Stay away from dairy"
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There is definitely scientific ground to limit dairies.
This video is about a doctor who turns tumors ON and OFF just by varying the level of dairies proteins 20% and 5%.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udAYXxczdyk&feature=youtu.be&t=79
I limit my intake to 2-3oz of Feta per week. Two years ago, I replaced cow mil by almonds milk.
Oh, puleeze.... the China study has been debunked 10 ways to Sunday... the author of the 'study' included only the results that backed up his theory and threw out all of the rest of the results. Even the people who worked with him on this 'study' have disavowed the results and the researcher.
They went full YouTube vegan. Never go full YouTube vegan.21 -
MotherOfSharpei wrote: »I have anxiety, depression, and two autoimmune disorders....they will try my dairy from my cold dead hands. If there's a correlation, I'll be happy to take a pill (or suffer) with my chocolate milk and cheese sticks.
Damn. This is funny and worrying at the same time. That said I'm curious to know how this "connection" between anxiety and dairy came about. Sounds like fluff more than anything.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Dairy is full of hormones to grow a small baby calf into a huge, monstrosity of a cow. It is full of pus, and most dairy cows are anxious and are treated awfully.
You are what you eat, and it makes complete sense that one could be anxious after consuming dairy.
Dairy is scary and it increases your risk for various types of cancer, as well.
Cows aren't monsters. Yes, they grow when they drink their mother's milk. So do we. It's what baby mammals do and it's bizarre that you're presenting it like some kind of pathology.
To add to this, cows grow large (ish, there are larger animals) because that's their natural size. Suggesting that dairy makes humans grow beyond the calories supplied is odd. Also, most of the dairy I consume lately is from a goat farm that is not too far away from where I live. Some of the goats are pygmies, so pretty small. Does that mean their milk (or yogurt or cheese, as I don't really drink milk) will keep me small? Heh.
I think there's an ethical argument against dairy (and for veganism), although I don't really wish to engage in it (especially not in this thread). I find it odd that dairy in particular -- far more than discussions about meat -- bring out people who seem to want to repeat all the worst arguments and silliness (it's full of pus, you aren't a baby cow, no other animals drink milk, GIANT MONSTROUS cows, so on).
You're going to start shrinking if you keep drinking the milk from pygmies.
My theory: It's easier for people who lean vegetarian/vegan to feel uncomfortable or even disgusted by meat (I even know some meat-eaters who feel weird about touching raw meat or eating meat off the bone). Dairy often lacks that quasi/semi-instinctive disgust response, so people who are trying to quit it (or inspire others to quit it) often dabble in the phrasing/images designed to provoke disgust as a way to keep themselves motivated. I've even seen it specifically referenced for newer vegans or those who might lack motivation, things like "If you're craving dairy, think about the pus!" The thing is, disgust for a food that humans have been consuming for thousands of years and that most of us have been consuming with pleasure since early childhood is often hard to sustain (and it's patently ridiculous to those outside of this particular subculture). I wish we (we=vegans) could leave it behind and focus on more substantial potential reasons to avoid dairy (the ethical ones, which as you pointed out, are outside the scope of this thread).
It's like sour grapes. Once they've decided that they don't want milk, some people want to convince themselves that it's disgusting and they never should have wanted it.
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I keep reading the title as "Stay away from my Diary!" 6
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I have never heard of a link between anxiety and dairy.0
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janejellyroll wrote: »There is definitely scientific ground to limit dairies.
This video is about a doctor who turns tumors ON and OFF just by varying the level of dairies proteins 20% and 5%.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udAYXxczdyk&feature=youtu.be&t=79
I limit my intake to 2-3oz of Feta per week. Two years ago, I replaced cow mil by almonds milk.
Oh, puleeze.... the China study has been debunked 10 ways to Sunday... the author of the 'study' included only the results that backed up his theory and threw out all of the rest of the results. Even the people who worked with him on this 'study' have disavowed the results and the researcher.
They went full YouTube vegan. Never go full YouTube vegan.
Ba hahahahahaha yes! Can we be friends? I need more quotable things to laugh at.0 -
There is definitely scientific ground to limit dairies.
This video is about a doctor who turns tumors ON and OFF just by varying the level of dairies proteins 20% and 5%.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udAYXxczdyk&feature=youtu.be&t=79
I limit my intake to 2-3oz of Feta per week. Two years ago, I replaced cow mil by almonds milk.
Oh, puleeze.... the China study has been debunked 10 ways to Sunday... the author of the 'study' included only the results that backed up his theory and threw out all of the rest of the results. Even the people who worked with him on this 'study' have disavowed the results and the researcher.
Can you be even more vague? lol. Some people did accuse him with fallacious arguments and he replied to everything. The most aggressive revealed to be an amateur.
http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/07/china-study-author-colin-campbell-slaps-down-critic-denise-minger.html
Anyway I value multiple sources. This one is not much dairies related (neither with an agenda), but has the same issue with animal proteins.
https://www.livescience.com/g00/43839-too-much-protein-help-cancers-grow.html?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNhLw==&i10c.ua=1
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There is definitely scientific ground to limit dairies.
This video is about a doctor who turns tumors ON and OFF just by varying the level of dairies proteins 20% and 5%.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udAYXxczdyk&feature=youtu.be&t=79
I limit my intake to 2-3oz of Feta per week. Two years ago, I replaced cow mil by almonds milk.
Oh, puleeze.... the China study has been debunked 10 ways to Sunday... the author of the 'study' included only the results that backed up his theory and threw out all of the rest of the results. Even the people who worked with him on this 'study' have disavowed the results and the researcher.
Can you be even more vague? lol. Some people did accuse him with fallacious arguments and he replied to everything. The most aggressive revealed to be an amateur.
http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/07/china-study-author-colin-campbell-slaps-down-critic-denise-minger.html
Anyway I value multiple sources. This one is not much dairies related (neither an agenda), but has the same issue with animal proteins.
https://www.livescience.com/g00/43839-too-much-protein-help-cancers-grow.html?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNhLw==&i10c.ua=1
From what I've read, Denise Minger was always clear about being an amateur. What do you mean she was "revealed" as such? Being an amateur doesn't, in and of itself, discredit an argument.8 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
From what I've read, Denise Minger was always clear about being an amateur. What do you mean she was "revealed" as such? Being an amateur doesn't, in and of itself, discredit an argument.
There is a minimum. She has a total lack of credentials. She described her qualifications as
"23-year-old Minger lists her educational and professional qualifications on her Facebook page as writer, Catholic school teacher, summer camp instructor, and "Professional Sock Puppeteer.""
Come on...
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janejellyroll wrote: »
From what I've read, Denise Minger was always clear about being an amateur. What do you mean she was "revealed" as such? Being an amateur doesn't, in and of itself, discredit an argument.
There is minimum. She has a total lack of credentials. She described her qualifications as
"23-year-old Minger lists her educational and professional qualifications on her Facebook page as writer, Catholic school teacher, summer camp instructor, and "Professional Sock Puppeteer.""
Come on...
None of those things, in and of themselves, represent a counter-argument. As her own bio makes clear, she isn't representing herself as a professional. School teachers are capable of making good arguments. Maybe hers is, maybe hers isn't, but her status as a non-professional doesn't magically transform the nature of her argument.
If I told you that an argument was good simply because it was being made by a professional, would you accept that? You're just doing a version of that.9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
From what I've read, Denise Minger was always clear about being an amateur. What do you mean she was "revealed" as such? Being an amateur doesn't, in and of itself, discredit an argument.
There is a minimum. She has a total lack of credentials. She described her qualifications as
"23-year-old Minger lists her educational and professional qualifications on her Facebook page as writer, Catholic school teacher, summer camp instructor, and "Professional Sock Puppeteer.""
Come on...
If you're so-called science can be debunked by someone with a "total lack of credentials," maybe it's not so grounded in facts.15 -
janejellyroll... you can continue alone, we'll agree to disagree. Next thing we'll know, we'll put amateurs as University teachers because they have good arguments. Guess what? Won't happen.... lol.15
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janejellyroll... you can continue alone, we'll agree to disagree. Next thing we'll know, we'll put amateurs as University teachers because they have good arguments. Guess what? Won't happen.... lol.
Because that's totally what the argument was about **heavy-handed eye-roll. Like, so heavy-handed, they straight rolled out of the room**10 -
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janejellyroll... you can continue alone, we'll agree to disagree. Next thing we'll know, we'll put amateurs as University teachers because they have good arguments. Guess what? Won't happen.... lol.
I hate to break it to you, but there are already instances of people who are exceptional in certain fields being invited to lecture at universities or share their expertise even when they may lack professional degrees. Why is that? People who are excellent in a field and want to impart excellence to the next generation tend to focus on actual work and outcomes and understand that formal education is just a part of what can create and contribute to that.
You may choose to believe everyone with a professional degree and disregard everyone without one. I'd rather focus on the arguments themselves, I think it's more useful.15 -
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People, people, stop whining as in one of my links, the Dr. Campbell diligently replied to the self-claimed "Professional Sock Puppeteer."... lol
Her profession is the least relevant part of her argument. If Campbell's response is based on her profession and not her arguments, it says way more about him than it does about her.9 -
Dairy is full of hormones to grow a small baby calf into a huge, monstrosity of a cow. It is full of pus, and most dairy cows are anxious and are treated awfully.
You are what you eat, and it makes complete sense that one could be anxious after consuming dairy.
Dairy is scary and it increases your risk for various types of cancer, as well.
1. Calves are weaned at 8 months. They are still pretty damn small at that point. It's antibiotics and corn during the adults years that make them put on the pounds before slaughter.
2. Pus? That's *kitten*. What's in milk is white blood cells. You know when people go on and on about how important breast-feeding is for babies and "breast is best" and why women should donate milk for premies? That's what they are talking about. If a cow actually has an infection (usually mastitis) they are taken off rotation until it's better and their tests come back clean. Cows and their milk are inspected and tested regularly because each dairy cow is an expensive investment.
My dairy farming relatives are really sick of these lies.24
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