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GaleHawkins wrote: »@kpk54 sorry that did not work out longer term in your case. Do you think the MCT oil was a factor in it stop working when it was working before? MTC oil wants to make me gag when nothing hardly makes me gag so I have given my stock away. Normally when I have a bad reaction to a food it is because it is bad for me. Now the smell of McDonald's fries makes me want to gag.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »@kpk54 sorry that did not work out longer term in your case. Do you think the MCT oil was a factor in it stop working when it was working before? MTC oil wants to make me gag when nothing hardly makes me gag so I have given my stock away. Normally when I have a bad reaction to a food it is because it is bad for me. Now the smell of McDonald's fries makes me want to gag.
No. I added the MCT Oil AFTER the regular ketogenic diet quit working which was during the last 4 or 5 months. Adding MCT neither helped nor hindered so far as involuntary movement.
I went through a few bottles and finally landed on 1 that had "no taste" (as MCT Oil ads generally claim). But yes, the 1st couple brands I tried had a "taste" and it was not pleasant.3 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
Idiot charlatan doctors with products, books and woo to sell. Fung comes to mind immediately. Oz would be another.
You can always find a contrarian everywhere. Usually, there is money in it.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »@kpk54 sorry that did not work out longer term in your case. Do you think the MCT oil was a factor in it stop working when it was working before? MTC oil wants to make me gag when nothing hardly makes me gag so I have given my stock away. Normally when I have a bad reaction to a food it is because it is bad for me. Now the smell of McDonald's fries makes me want to gag.
Cool more fries for me! But on the other hand they aren't nearly as good as when they were fried in beef tallow.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »@kpk54 sorry that did not work out longer term in your case. Do you think the MCT oil was a factor in it stop working when it was working before? MTC oil wants to make me gag when nothing hardly makes me gag so I have given my stock away. Normally when I have a bad reaction to a food it is because it is bad for me. Now the smell of McDonald's fries makes me want to gag.
No. I added the MCT Oil AFTER the regular ketogenic diet quit working which was during the last 4 or 5 months. Adding MCT neither helped nor hindered so far as involuntary movement.
I went through a few bottles and finally landed on 1 that had "no taste" (as MCT Oil ads generally claim). But yes, the 1st couple brands I tried had a "taste" and it was not pleasant.
Thanks for the details. Since I do 3+ tablespoons of coconut oil in my first cup of coffee each morning and eat a 2+ pound of coconut flakes weekly I am going to call my level of MCT oil from those sources enough.
Keto is not a cure for anything but for some reason it has really addressed my joint pain, IBS, cataract formation and mental clarity, etc. For me keto/low carb high fat is not a diet but an eating life style in my case since it addressed my cravings so now I can eat all that I want of my macro and still maintain my weight loss. Thanks again for your realistic take of keto in your case. I do hope you find some help with your condition. My naturally fused spine (from the Ankylosing Spondylitis) still is a major limitation but it is starting to move more year by year. The main thing most of my pain is gone on keto thankfully. I am lucky it seems that keto means not counting calories in my case .
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »@cessi909, feel free to share my experience with your friend. I lost my excess 63 pounds via using MFP and eating at a calorie deficit. CI<CO. After weight loss (nearly 4 years of maintaining) I now eat at maintenance calories per MFP and have successfully maintained. I have altered macros at various times for various reasons during that 4 year period.
A full 52 weeks of that time was eating a Medically Therapeutic Ketogenic Diet (self prescribed) for my neurological movement disorder. I figured if it has a positive in the brain for epilepsy, perhaps it may also be beneficial for my Spasmodic Torticollis aka Cervical Dystonia which is thought to be a malfunction in the basal ganglia of the brain.
Anyway, for 52 weeks I adhered to my 1500 maintenance calories (already proven via 2 years of previous maintenance) by significantly changing my macros to reflect no greater than 20 grams of carbohydrates in addition to low protein so to not exceed 25% of my calories coming from COMBINED carbs and protein. Most days I was eating upwards of 75% of my calories from fat. Towards the end (last 4-5 months) of the trial, I supplemented with MCT oil which is reported to be ketogenic in order to keep my 1500 calories at 75% or above and possibly be "deeper" in ketosis.
I did NOT lose weight or body fat just because I was in ketosis. By design, I maintained. The state of ketosis had NO effect on my weight.
I appreciate the comment/s from others (I think it was this thread) that if ketosis CAUSED weight loss, every individual who eats a strict ketogenic diet for medical reason 24/7/365 would always lose weight and never stop losing weight because...ketosis. It doesn't work that way. Ketosis is not the cause of weight loss. Calories in/calories out is the reason for weight loss/maintenance and gain.
How did keto work for your medical condition? Since it was self-prescribed it's not a known treatment I would imagine, but did you find it had any effect?
Too long don't want to read all: A ketogenic diet did not work for me in my personal trial for my neurological movement disorder, Cervical Dystonia aka Spasmodic Torticollis.
Well...it was interesting. It was back in 2016 that, in a non-evangelical way, I communicated a positive effect at just a month or so into the trial. Read on. I was elated. I have dealt with this disorder for nearly 18 years having seen 5 neurologists and having run the gamut of many other professionals. At 64 years old, I seem to be in incredibly good health other than cervical dystonia. Anyway, I'm clear on whether or not my head is chronically turned to the right (I have right rotational Cervical Dystonia), I am unable to turn it to the left on most occasions and know the circumstances that tend to aggravate the "turn" or the "lock". It is an obvious abnormal posture to me and the eye of others. My husband, family members and real life circle of friends were elated for me as they too, could see the improvement for that short period of time. Alas, just as it seemed to work, it also stopped working which is when I started adding the MCT.
While I haven't given up hope for finding my personal relief, I am thinking, at this time, a ketogenic diet offered only a bit of a placebo effect
I so want to be of "normal" posture. Fortunately, dystonia is not a degenerative neurological disease. It will not get worse. Those of us who have CD/ST simply learn to adapt. Some opt for BotoxA injections to temporarily paralyze the overactive muscles but that too is only temporary. I opted for that (on 3 occasions) and it did work. I spent 6 weeks improving then 6 weeks declining each time. That is what BotoxA does. The nature of BotoxA. 250-350 units of it (combined) injected into my left SCM and right splenius capitis every 12 weeks was not bothersome for the temporary improvement. It is the roller coaster of being OK then not being OK that took its toll.
BotoxA injections into the effected overactive muscles, is the most common treatment. In severe cases (which I do not have), DBS surgery (Deep Brain Stimulation) is sometimes suggested. I have met 5 individuals who have severe CD/ST and had DBS surgery. It worked for only one and that individual was a young man who has the DYT1 gene thus the genetic form of Dystonia (not what I or the others I know have). The results of the DBS was pretty incredible. He was a feature on the show "Modern Medical Miracles" about DBS Surgery for Dystonia showing the before and after. I've not seen him in about 10 years. I hope he is still doing well.
Forgive the lengthy dialogue. It is my Public Service Announcement for a disorder that is often undiagnosed or misdiagnosed. I'm fortunate to live in a metro area with innumerable specialists and to have had such classical onset, there was no question. Anyone reading, if you were in perfect health one day and then your head is suddenly turned left, right, up or down and remained seemingly "locked" in that position...get yourself to Neurologist who is a Movement Disorder Specialist.
TL:DR No, a ketogenic diet did not work for me in my personal trial for my neurological movement disorder, Cervical Dystonia aka Spasmodic Torticollis.
Thanks for explain your situation and maybe this will help others who are suffering from the same but don't realize it. I really hope the treatment option improve for you.5 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »@kpk54 sorry that did not work out longer term in your case. Do you think the MCT oil was a factor in it stop working when it was working before? MTC oil wants to make me gag when nothing hardly makes me gag so I have given my stock away. Normally when I have a bad reaction to a food it is because it is bad for me. Now the smell of McDonald's fries makes me want to gag.
Cool more fries for me! But on the other hand they aren't nearly as good as when they were fried in beef tallow.
If you go to an especially fancy gastropub here in old Blighty, you might find chips (fat fries) fried in beef dripping. Godly.7 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »@kpk54 sorry that did not work out longer term in your case. Do you think the MCT oil was a factor in it stop working when it was working before? MTC oil wants to make me gag when nothing hardly makes me gag so I have given my stock away. Normally when I have a bad reaction to a food it is because it is bad for me. Now the smell of McDonald's fries makes me want to gag.
Cool more fries for me! But on the other hand they aren't nearly as good as when they were fried in beef tallow.
If you go to an especially fancy gastropub here in old Blighty, you might find chips (fat fries) fried in beef dripping. Godly.
I'm seriously considering booking a flight lol.4 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »@kpk54 sorry that did not work out longer term in your case. Do you think the MCT oil was a factor in it stop working when it was working before? MTC oil wants to make me gag when nothing hardly makes me gag so I have given my stock away. Normally when I have a bad reaction to a food it is because it is bad for me. Now the smell of McDonald's fries makes me want to gag.
Cool more fries for me! But on the other hand they aren't nearly as good as when they were fried in beef tallow.
If you go to an especially fancy gastropub here in old Blighty, you might find chips (fat fries) fried in beef dripping. Godly.
I've seen that occasionally here in the US. A handful of places are using duck fat as well.5 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »@kpk54 sorry that did not work out longer term in your case. Do you think the MCT oil was a factor in it stop working when it was working before? MTC oil wants to make me gag when nothing hardly makes me gag so I have given my stock away. Normally when I have a bad reaction to a food it is because it is bad for me. Now the smell of McDonald's fries makes me want to gag.
Cool more fries for me! But on the other hand they aren't nearly as good as when they were fried in beef tallow.
If you go to an especially fancy gastropub here in old Blighty, you might find chips (fat fries) fried in beef dripping. Godly.
I'm seriously considering booking a flight lol.
There's these too, which are actually pretty good, better than any other frozen fries I've had!
http://groceries.iceland.co.uk/mccain-triple-cooked-gastro-chips-640g/p/708272 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »@kpk54 sorry that did not work out longer term in your case. Do you think the MCT oil was a factor in it stop working when it was working before? MTC oil wants to make me gag when nothing hardly makes me gag so I have given my stock away. Normally when I have a bad reaction to a food it is because it is bad for me. Now the smell of McDonald's fries makes me want to gag.
Cool more fries for me! But on the other hand they aren't nearly as good as when they were fried in beef tallow.
If you go to an especially fancy gastropub here in old Blighty, you might find chips (fat fries) fried in beef dripping. Godly.
I'm seriously considering booking a flight lol.
There's these too, which are actually pretty good, better than any other frozen fries I've had!
http://groceries.iceland.co.uk/mccain-triple-cooked-gastro-chips-640g/p/70827
Interesting, that's a Canadian company I'll have to look for those here.
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Do you only consume one macro? You make reference to the McDonald's burgers you eat. Don't they have at least 2 macros? Protein and fat. And, if you have a burger bun or lettuce or tomato, those would be carbs.GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »@kpk54 sorry that did not work out longer term in your case. Do you think the MCT oil was a factor in it stop working when it was working before? MTC oil wants to make me gag when nothing hardly makes me gag so I have given my stock away. Normally when I have a bad reaction to a food it is because it is bad for me. Now the smell of McDonald's fries makes me want to gag.
No. I added the MCT Oil AFTER the regular ketogenic diet quit working which was during the last 4 or 5 months. Adding MCT neither helped nor hindered so far as involuntary movement.
I went through a few bottles and finally landed on 1 that had "no taste" (as MCT Oil ads generally claim). But yes, the 1st couple brands I tried had a "taste" and it was not pleasant.
Thanks for the details. Since I do 3+ tablespoons of coconut oil in my first cup of coffee each morning and eat a 2+ pound of coconut flakes weekly I am going to call my level of MCT oil from those sources enough.
Keto is not a cure for anything but for some reason it has really addressed my joint pain, IBS, cataract formation and mental clarity, etc. For me keto/low carb high fat is not a diet but an eating life style in my case since it addressed my cravings so now I can eat all that I want of my macro and still maintain my weight loss. Thanks again for your realistic take of keto in your case. I do hope you find some help with your condition. My naturally fused spine (from the Ankylosing Spondylitis) still is a major limitation but it is starting to move more year by year. The main thing most of my pain is gone on keto thankfully. I am lucky it seems that keto means not counting calories in my case .
So, you consume 3 macros just like most of us. Don't you? Which one is "your" macro. And why would it be yours? Sounds absurd on the face of it.
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janejellyroll wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »@kpk54 sorry that did not work out longer term in your case. Do you think the MCT oil was a factor in it stop working when it was working before? MTC oil wants to make me gag when nothing hardly makes me gag so I have given my stock away. Normally when I have a bad reaction to a food it is because it is bad for me. Now the smell of McDonald's fries makes me want to gag.
Cool more fries for me! But on the other hand they aren't nearly as good as when they were fried in beef tallow.
If you go to an especially fancy gastropub here in old Blighty, you might find chips (fat fries) fried in beef dripping. Godly.
I've seen that occasionally here in the US. A handful of places are using duck fat as well.
mmm duck fat fries - there is a brewery up near Baltimore that has them....sooo damn good3 -
i count, but i think when i get to my goal weight and maintain, i will not be so strict. some doctors say CICO is bs, but i don't know.
@daraalt I do not think the doctors see CICO to be bs in a technical sense but in a functional sense because it does not help one understand WHY they overeat. There is no one outside of a lab that can even compute their CICO so functionally it is not useful in addressing the underlying cause of obesity.
The way I compute my CICO is I weigh each day to estimate net CICO. Yes should I eat 3 pounds of grapes one day I can see a few pound gain overnight due to carbs pulling in more water but in a few days of eating under 50 grams daily the weight goes back down.
I can gain on keto/LCHF because I became concerned when I was staying stuffed all of the time on my keto macro and still losing weight. Forcing myself to eat more when stuffed was very hard on this macro. On high carb macros I could do endless binging after I was stuffed. It took me a while of eating keto macros to gain 10 pounds by eating about 3000+ calories daily while walking 1/4 of a mile daily. It came off when I went back to eating to the point I was just stuffed after each meal.
The logic behind my trying to gain weight when eating keto/lchf was some were posting about damaging one's metabolism by dieting. I was happy to learn I could regain weight so all was well.
I am thankful I am one who at this point in time eat all the calories that I want and still not regain weight with no tracking when eating keto/LCHF.17 -
Do you only consume one macro? You make reference to the McDonald's burgers you eat. Don't they have at least 2 macros? Protein and fat. And, if you have a burger bun or lettuce or tomato, those would be carbs.GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »@kpk54 sorry that did not work out longer term in your case. Do you think the MCT oil was a factor in it stop working when it was working before? MTC oil wants to make me gag when nothing hardly makes me gag so I have given my stock away. Normally when I have a bad reaction to a food it is because it is bad for me. Now the smell of McDonald's fries makes me want to gag.
No. I added the MCT Oil AFTER the regular ketogenic diet quit working which was during the last 4 or 5 months. Adding MCT neither helped nor hindered so far as involuntary movement.
I went through a few bottles and finally landed on 1 that had "no taste" (as MCT Oil ads generally claim). But yes, the 1st couple brands I tried had a "taste" and it was not pleasant.
Thanks for the details. Since I do 3+ tablespoons of coconut oil in my first cup of coffee each morning and eat a 2+ pound of coconut flakes weekly I am going to call my level of MCT oil from those sources enough.
Keto is not a cure for anything but for some reason it has really addressed my joint pain, IBS, cataract formation and mental clarity, etc. For me keto/low carb high fat is not a diet but an eating life style in my case since it addressed my cravings so now I can eat all that I want of my macro and still maintain my weight loss. Thanks again for your realistic take of keto in your case. I do hope you find some help with your condition. My naturally fused spine (from the Ankylosing Spondylitis) still is a major limitation but it is starting to move more year by year. The main thing most of my pain is gone on keto thankfully. I am lucky it seems that keto means not counting calories in my case .
So, you consume 3 macros just like most of us. Don't you? Which one is "your" macro. And why would it be yours? Sounds absurd on the face of it.
@mmapags that is a great question that is basic to any Way Of Eating (WOE). My Fitness Pal does a good job in my view of covering your and the other keto questions of other readers of this thread. I use the MFP keto macro suggestions in their link below.
Is the Ketogenic Diet Safe for Weight Loss?
blog.myfitnesspal.com/ketogenic-diet-safe-weight-loss/
"ADJUST YOUR MACROS
To achieve nutritional ketosis, adjust your MyFitnessPal macronutrient goals to achieve a daily intake of 70–75% fat, 15–20% protein and 5–10% calories from carbohydrates."
"KNOW IT’S NOT A QUICK FIX
As with any weight-loss plan, the goal is not just to lose weight but also to keep it off. Before you transition to a ketogenic way of eating, ask yourself whether you can make this a long-term lifestyle change and not just a quick fix that could lead to a cycle of yo-yo dieting.
THE BOTTOM LINE
When followed properly, ketogenic diets have been shown to be safe and effective for weight loss and may provide other health benefits including better blood sugar control, a decrease in inflammation and improved triglyceride and HDL counts. However, in order to achieve ketosis, one must consider this a long-term lifestyle change and follow a very specific eating plan to maintain weight loss over time. As always, consult your doctor or a registered dietitian before making any major dietary changes."
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »@kpk54 sorry that did not work out longer term in your case. Do you think the MCT oil was a factor in it stop working when it was working before? MTC oil wants to make me gag when nothing hardly makes me gag so I have given my stock away. Normally when I have a bad reaction to a food it is because it is bad for me. Now the smell of McDonald's fries makes me want to gag.
Cool more fries for me! But on the other hand they aren't nearly as good as when they were fried in beef tallow.
If you go to an especially fancy gastropub here in old Blighty, you might find chips (fat fries) fried in beef dripping. Godly.
I'm seriously considering booking a flight lol.
There's these too, which are actually pretty good, better than any other frozen fries I've had!
http://groceries.iceland.co.uk/mccain-triple-cooked-gastro-chips-640g/p/70827
Interesting, that's a Canadian company I'll have to look for those here.
Also, I am enjoying the discussion of potato products in a keto debate thread.10 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »i count, but i think when i get to my goal weight and maintain, i will not be so strict. some doctors say CICO is bs, but i don't know.
@daraalt I do not think the doctors see CICO to be bs in a technical sense but in a functional sense because it does not help one understand WHY they overeat. There is no one outside of a lab that can even compute their CICO so functionally it is not useful in addressing the underlying cause of obesity.
The way I compute my CICO is I weigh each day to estimate net CICO. Yes should I eat 3 pounds of grapes one day I can see a few pound gain overnight due to carbs pulling in more water but in a few days of eating under 50 grams daily the weight goes back down.
I can gain on keto/LCHF because I became concerned when I was staying stuffed all of the time on my keto macro and still losing weight. Forcing myself to eat more when stuffed was very hard on this macro. On high carb macros I could do endless binging after I was stuffed. It took me a while of eating keto macros to gain 10 pounds by eating about 3000+ calories daily while walking 1/4 of a mile daily. It came off when I went back to eating to the point I was just stuffed after each meal.
The logic behind my trying to gain weight when eating keto/lchf was some were posting about damaging one's metabolism by dieting. I was happy to learn I could regain weight so all was well.
I am thankful I am one who at this point in time eat all the calories that I want and still not regain weight with no tracking when eating keto/LCHF.
For heaven's sake, for the last time, it's not your "macro", it's your macro split.13 -
VintageFeline wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »i count, but i think when i get to my goal weight and maintain, i will not be so strict. some doctors say CICO is bs, but i don't know.
@daraalt I do not think the doctors see CICO to be bs in a technical sense but in a functional sense because it does not help one understand WHY they overeat. There is no one outside of a lab that can even compute their CICO so functionally it is not useful in addressing the underlying cause of obesity.
The way I compute my CICO is I weigh each day to estimate net CICO. Yes should I eat 3 pounds of grapes one day I can see a few pound gain overnight due to carbs pulling in more water but in a few days of eating under 50 grams daily the weight goes back down.
I can gain on keto/LCHF because I became concerned when I was staying stuffed all of the time on my keto macro and still losing weight. Forcing myself to eat more when stuffed was very hard on this macro. On high carb macros I could do endless binging after I was stuffed. It took me a while of eating keto macros to gain 10 pounds by eating about 3000+ calories daily while walking 1/4 of a mile daily. It came off when I went back to eating to the point I was just stuffed after each meal.
The logic behind my trying to gain weight when eating keto/lchf was some were posting about damaging one's metabolism by dieting. I was happy to learn I could regain weight so all was well.
I am thankful I am one who at this point in time eat all the calories that I want and still not regain weight with no tracking when eating keto/LCHF.
For heaven's sake, for the last time, it's not your "macro", it's your macro split.
Thanks for pointing that out and MFP agrees I see.
"ADJUST YOUR MACROS
To achieve nutritional ketosis, adjust your MyFitnessPal macronutrient goals to achieve a daily intake of 70–75% fat, 15–20% protein and 5–10% calories from carbohydrates."6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »
Do you only consume one macro? You make reference to the McDonald's burgers you eat. Don't they have at least 2 macros? Protein and fat. And, if you have a burger bun or lettuce or tomato, those would be carbs.GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »@kpk54 sorry that did not work out longer term in your case. Do you think the MCT oil was a factor in it stop working when it was working before? MTC oil wants to make me gag when nothing hardly makes me gag so I have given my stock away. Normally when I have a bad reaction to a food it is because it is bad for me. Now the smell of McDonald's fries makes me want to gag.
No. I added the MCT Oil AFTER the regular ketogenic diet quit working which was during the last 4 or 5 months. Adding MCT neither helped nor hindered so far as involuntary movement.
I went through a few bottles and finally landed on 1 that had "no taste" (as MCT Oil ads generally claim). But yes, the 1st couple brands I tried had a "taste" and it was not pleasant.
Thanks for the details. Since I do 3+ tablespoons of coconut oil in my first cup of coffee each morning and eat a 2+ pound of coconut flakes weekly I am going to call my level of MCT oil from those sources enough.
Keto is not a cure for anything but for some reason it has really addressed my joint pain, IBS, cataract formation and mental clarity, etc. For me keto/low carb high fat is not a diet but an eating life style in my case since it addressed my cravings so now I can eat all that I want of my macro and still maintain my weight loss. Thanks again for your realistic take of keto in your case. I do hope you find some help with your condition. My naturally fused spine (from the Ankylosing Spondylitis) still is a major limitation but it is starting to move more year by year. The main thing most of my pain is gone on keto thankfully. I am lucky it seems that keto means not counting calories in my case .
So, you consume 3 macros just like most of us. Don't you? Which one is "your" macro. And why would it be yours? Sounds absurd on the face of it.
@mmapags that is a great question that is basic to any Way Of Eating (WOE). My Fitness Pal does a good job in my view of covering your and the other keto questions of other readers of this thread. I use the MFP keto macro suggestions in their link below.
Is the Ketogenic Diet Safe for Weight Loss?
blog.myfitnesspal.com/ketogenic-diet-safe-weight-loss/
"ADJUST YOUR MACROS
To achieve nutritional ketosis, adjust your MyFitnessPal macronutrient goals to achieve a daily intake of 70–75% fat, 15–20% protein and 5–10% calories from carbohydrates."
"KNOW IT’S NOT A QUICK FIX
As with any weight-loss plan, the goal is not just to lose weight but also to keep it off. Before you transition to a ketogenic way of eating, ask yourself whether you can make this a long-term lifestyle change and not just a quick fix that could lead to a cycle of yo-yo dieting.
THE BOTTOM LINE
When followed properly, ketogenic diets have been shown to be safe and effective for weight loss and may provide other health benefits including better blood sugar control, a decrease in inflammation and improved triglyceride and HDL counts. However, in order to achieve ketosis, one must consider this a long-term lifestyle change and follow a very specific eating plan to maintain weight loss over time. As always, consult your doctor or a registered dietitian before making any major dietary changes."
for those without a genetic cholesterol issue it may help lower triglycerides and help HDL in someone with a genetic cholesterol disorder it makes it worse due to the high fat in the diet not being processed normally. and for some saying its a safe and effective way for weight loss I have seen many other things stated by doctors that it may not be safe for long periods of time in those without health issues.The verdict is still out on whether its safe for all or not. some of these studies say that one diet isnt really any better than keto. weight loss was the biggest factor in improved health
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3826507/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16385748
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15601962
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Losinandmovin wrote: »notreallychris wrote: »Losinandmovin wrote: »Losinandmovin wrote: »I've been keto for the past 4 months: [1] I don't pay any attention to calories. I eat at my TDEE: 2200/day and continue to lose weight. It's NOT calories in/calories out. I belong to several Facebook keto groups and many of my friends on this site are doing keto and post their food diaries. Most of us eat at our TDEE-- that's a shitload of calories. I don't exercise-- many do. I continuously lose. So do almost all my keto contacts. I'm working with my endocrinologist. I'm not diabetic and don't want to be--so this works for MANY people. People are comfortable with CICO. But ultimately, when you look at the success rates of low calorie diets: they don't work for over 90% of people long term. We've been taught our whole lives to eat less, exercise more. [3] Keto throws that to the wind. Eat fewer carbohydrates, but EAT. [4] We are never hungry: which low calories diets cannot claim. You can certainly add exercise: we all need it for well being, muscle strength and endurance, and basic life. I won't argue that. But I will argue and I have plenty who will back me up: keto is not CICO.
[1] If you don't pay any attention to calories, how do you know you're eating at your TDEE?
[2] Feel free to post any legitimate studies/statistics showing a higher long term success rate with keto over any other diet.
[3] No, keto does not throw CICO to the wind. This is an example of the ridiculous claims made in keto propaganda. There have been countless scientific studies conclusively proving that energy balance is the driver of weight loss/gain/maintenance.
[4] More keto propaganda woo. There are plenty of people eating non-keto, calorie-restricted diets who enjoy excellent satiety. That it works for you doesn't mean that it works for everyone.
Keto
Is
Not
Magic.
AnvilHead, you don't have to agree, but these are my experiences. Propaganda is for a specific purpose: I have no other purpose than to answer her questions. I don't pay attention to calories: at the end of the day I look and see where I am-- I don't have to try to stay under. Feel free to research how few people maintain weight loss with CICO. Have fun with that.
People (like yourself) are vehemently apposed to keto-- that's fine, it's not for everyone. But it works and it's not nearly the fad people think it is. There are many endocrinologists that would disagree with your claims that CICO is the be all end all. I would never say keto has better success than every other diet: my ego isn't so big that I need to claim things I don't know. But I do know that people do not have to eat at a deficit to lose on keto. I do know food is more of an indicator of how much weight people will lose is than exercise.
Your experience with keto does not make it a fact for everyone. CICO is how you're losing weight. Whether you think it is or not.
I fortunately don't have to prove to you what I already know. And I'm certainly not alone in my ketogenic journey. It's NOT CICO, but you are free to believe anything you like.
@Losinandmovin , as someone who follows a Keto WOE, it disappoints me to see someone so badly representing Keto. It's not only science, it's common sense. The body either uses energy or stores energy. If you put too much energy in (ie, you put in more energy than your body uses) the rest of the energy will be stored and will cause weight gain. That's CICO, and that happens whatever WOE you follow, Keto included. Please, please, put your thinking cap on and properly reflect on this. What you are saying is ridiculous and reflects very poorly on the Keto community.
Now, I will say that for some reason I do tend to lose more quickly with Keto than with only calorie counting, but that simply indicates that for some reason I am more sensitive to carbs. It does NOT negate the simple fact of life that is CICO.19
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