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Pizza Is a Healthier Breakfast Than Most Cereals
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I had leftover meatloaf as a sandwich for breakfast this morning. Where does that put me on the cereal < --- > pizza continuum?2
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Tacklewasher wrote: »
Based on any scientific sources I've seen, any macro or kind of macro you eat while in a calorie deficit will not be converted to fat,
I don't think that is "technically" true. Food will be converted and stored as fat while in a deficit, but more fat will be required as fuel over a time period. So my lunch will turn into fat but over the course of the day, I will burn more fat than is stored. There will be a net fat loss, but as part of the process, some will be stored.
Back to lurking.
Yes, I should have said something more like "will not cause fat gain over the long term or net fat gain" or something like that, sorry.0 -
paperpudding wrote: »I'm sure there are whole pizzas that are less than 600 calories.
Yeah, my sister eats these frozen ones that are like 300 cal. They are small, though. She usually eats something else with them since she likes more for dinner.0 -
I had leftover meatloaf as a sandwich for breakfast this morning. Where does that put me on the cereal < --- > pizza continuum?
There aren't many things that I like more than a leftover meatloaf sandwich at any time of the day. Pizza might be one of the few.
Also, growing up in an ethnic household where breakfast was more often than not made up of savory foods not traditionally associated with breakfast by many in the US (noodles, rice, etc.), I never understood the fascination with cereal as a breakfast item. We actually had it as an after school snack but never for breakfast.1 -
stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Because of this thread I bought two frozen (ermagherd so bad for me because PROCESSED aka flash frozen from fresh) pizzas. They're really good Dr Oetker ones that are like 600 calories for the whole thing. Might have one for breakfast tomorrow in honour of this discussion.
As you were.
wait wut?
there is a whole pizza out there that is only 600 calories?
I usually make my own- I do a lot less cheese and more sauce- and veggies with pepperoni- so I sort of cut myself some slack- but well the damn bread is high.
Pretty sure that the mini singles are 500-700 calories. and that's a 3-4 incher...
well- that's not useful to me. #gimmiethewhole121 -
I had leftover meatloaf as a sandwich for breakfast this morning. Where does that put me on the cereal < --- > pizza continuum?
Realistic- I think left overs for breakfast is the best- when I'm bulking it's not uncommon for me to have chili for breakfast. some people can't/won't- but meh whatever- I'll eat whatever whenever.1 -
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diannethegeek wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Another thought I want to return to. The cinnamon thing. How does that work?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11506060/
I'm going to go right ahead and assume sprinkling some cinnamon in your food isn't going to have the same effect as the derivative from cinnamon used in the study...............And even then, unless insulin resistant, totally pointless.4 -
stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Because of this thread I bought two frozen (ermagherd so bad for me because PROCESSED aka flash frozen from fresh) pizzas. They're really good Dr Oetker ones that are like 600 calories for the whole thing. Might have one for breakfast tomorrow in honour of this discussion.
As you were.
wait wut?
there is a whole pizza out there that is only 600 calories?
I usually make my own- I do a lot less cheese and more sauce- and veggies with pepperoni- so I sort of cut myself some slack- but well the damn bread is high.
Pretty sure that the mini singles are 500-700 calories. and that's a 3-4 incher...
well- that's not useful to me. #gimmiethewhole12
Are we still talking about pizza?
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stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Because of this thread I bought two frozen (ermagherd so bad for me because PROCESSED aka flash frozen from fresh) pizzas. They're really good Dr Oetker ones that are like 600 calories for the whole thing. Might have one for breakfast tomorrow in honour of this discussion.
As you were.
wait wut?
there is a whole pizza out there that is only 600 calories?
I usually make my own- I do a lot less cheese and more sauce- and veggies with pepperoni- so I sort of cut myself some slack- but well the damn bread is high.
Pretty sure that the mini singles are 500-700 calories. and that's a 3-4 incher...
well- that's not useful to me. #gimmiethewhole12
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WinoGelato wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Because of this thread I bought two frozen (ermagherd so bad for me because PROCESSED aka flash frozen from fresh) pizzas. They're really good Dr Oetker ones that are like 600 calories for the whole thing. Might have one for breakfast tomorrow in honour of this discussion.
As you were.
wait wut?
there is a whole pizza out there that is only 600 calories?
I usually make my own- I do a lot less cheese and more sauce- and veggies with pepperoni- so I sort of cut myself some slack- but well the damn bread is high.
Pretty sure that the mini singles are 500-700 calories. and that's a 3-4 incher...
well- that's not useful to me. #gimmiethewhole12
Are we still talking about pizza?
I believe the interpretation is left as an exercise for the reader.
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VintageFeline wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Another thought I want to return to. The cinnamon thing. How does that work?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11506060/
I'm going to go right ahead and assume sprinkling some cinnamon in your food isn't going to have the same effect as the derivative from cinnamon used in the study...............And even then, unless insulin resistant, totally pointless.
Yep.0 -
Eating cold curled up pizza at the fridge door ... mmmm0
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WinoGelato wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Because of this thread I bought two frozen (ermagherd so bad for me because PROCESSED aka flash frozen from fresh) pizzas. They're really good Dr Oetker ones that are like 600 calories for the whole thing. Might have one for breakfast tomorrow in honour of this discussion.
As you were.
wait wut?
there is a whole pizza out there that is only 600 calories?
I usually make my own- I do a lot less cheese and more sauce- and veggies with pepperoni- so I sort of cut myself some slack- but well the damn bread is high.
Pretty sure that the mini singles are 500-700 calories. and that's a 3-4 incher...
well- that's not useful to me. #gimmiethewhole12
Are we still talking about pizza?
stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Because of this thread I bought two frozen (ermagherd so bad for me because PROCESSED aka flash frozen from fresh) pizzas. They're really good Dr Oetker ones that are like 600 calories for the whole thing. Might have one for breakfast tomorrow in honour of this discussion.
As you were.
wait wut?
there is a whole pizza out there that is only 600 calories?
I usually make my own- I do a lot less cheese and more sauce- and veggies with pepperoni- so I sort of cut myself some slack- but well the damn bread is high.
Pretty sure that the mini singles are 500-700 calories. and that's a 3-4 incher...
well- that's not useful to me. #gimmiethewhole12
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billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
First line:
Background: Observational studies have linked higher intakes of whole grains to lower abdominal adiposity; however, the association between whole- and refined-grain intake and body fat compartments has yet to be reported.
So did you only read the first line because that was to make a statement about what is currently known. Reading further shows the results of an experiment that links the two and is what is leading into new discovery on simple carbs.
It concluded with correlation not causation, it was entirely self reported with the participants asked to answer questions based on their previous years consumption. It's not even close to determinative.
I feel like you’d make a good lawyer. Okay, there is a correlation between simple carbs and visceral fat. I think we can agree being inactive and eating lots of simple carbs would be a bad thing though.
There's also a correlation between the consumption of beef and the number of deaths by lightning strikes:
And between the cost of potato chips and the number of people who died by falling out of their wheelchairs:
And between the per capita consumption of cheese and the total revenue generated by golf courses:
See, correlation is kind of a funny thing. Sometimes it means something, sometimes it doesn't mean anything at all.
I see a lot of fat people exercising. Therefore, by correlation, exercise makes you fat. Do we agree on that? Or is the correlation maybe spurious and/or nuanced, and maybe there are other factors which need to be examined and taken into consideration?
I see what you did there but it doesn’t make sense. Usually two joining subjects like carbs and fat are relevant for an obvious reason.
Not quite sure where you're taking us with that one, but I'm sure it'll be good.
High school chemistry sir. Sugar is converted to fat. You already made the point of carbs being forms of sugar.
I think I see the problem here...2 -
TicoCortez wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
First line:
Background: Observational studies have linked higher intakes of whole grains to lower abdominal adiposity; however, the association between whole- and refined-grain intake and body fat compartments has yet to be reported.
So did you only read the first line because that was to make a statement about what is currently known. Reading further shows the results of an experiment that links the two and is what is leading into new discovery on simple carbs.
It concluded with correlation not causation, it was entirely self reported with the participants asked to answer questions based on their previous years consumption. It's not even close to determinative.
I feel like you’d make a good lawyer. Okay, there is a correlation between simple carbs and visceral fat. I think we can agree being inactive and eating lots of simple carbs would be a bad thing though.
There's also a correlation between the consumption of beef and the number of deaths by lightning strikes:
And between the cost of potato chips and the number of people who died by falling out of their wheelchairs:
And between the per capita consumption of cheese and the total revenue generated by golf courses:
See, correlation is kind of a funny thing. Sometimes it means something, sometimes it doesn't mean anything at all.
I see a lot of fat people exercising. Therefore, by correlation, exercise makes you fat. Do we agree on that? Or is the correlation maybe spurious and/or nuanced, and maybe there are other factors which need to be examined and taken into consideration?
I see what you did there but it doesn’t make sense. Usually two joining subjects like carbs and fat are relevant for an obvious reason.
Not quite sure where you're taking us with that one, but I'm sure it'll be good.
High school chemistry sir. Sugar is converted to fat. You already made the point of carbs being forms of sugar.
I think I see the problem here...
High school chemistry?
What sad state of affairs if this is the output of high school. My 10 year old has a firmer grasp on biochemistry.3 -
This thread delivers way more than pizza.
Excuse me while I answer the door.
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TicoCortez wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
First line:
Background: Observational studies have linked higher intakes of whole grains to lower abdominal adiposity; however, the association between whole- and refined-grain intake and body fat compartments has yet to be reported.
So did you only read the first line because that was to make a statement about what is currently known. Reading further shows the results of an experiment that links the two and is what is leading into new discovery on simple carbs.
It concluded with correlation not causation, it was entirely self reported with the participants asked to answer questions based on their previous years consumption. It's not even close to determinative.
I feel like you’d make a good lawyer. Okay, there is a correlation between simple carbs and visceral fat. I think we can agree being inactive and eating lots of simple carbs would be a bad thing though.
There's also a correlation between the consumption of beef and the number of deaths by lightning strikes:
And between the cost of potato chips and the number of people who died by falling out of their wheelchairs:
And between the per capita consumption of cheese and the total revenue generated by golf courses:
See, correlation is kind of a funny thing. Sometimes it means something, sometimes it doesn't mean anything at all.
I see a lot of fat people exercising. Therefore, by correlation, exercise makes you fat. Do we agree on that? Or is the correlation maybe spurious and/or nuanced, and maybe there are other factors which need to be examined and taken into consideration?
I see what you did there but it doesn’t make sense. Usually two joining subjects like carbs and fat are relevant for an obvious reason.
Not quite sure where you're taking us with that one, but I'm sure it'll be good.
High school chemistry sir. Sugar is converted to fat. You already made the point of carbs being forms of sugar.
I think I see the problem here...
High school chemistry?
What sad state of affairs if this is the output of high school. My 10 year old has a firmer grasp on biochemistry.
I was thinking that he meant that if homeboy's only using HS chem, and not biology et al, that might explain things. I, obviously, could be wrong.1 -
diannethegeek wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Another thought I want to return to. The cinnamon thing. How does that work?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11506060/
I wonder how much cinnamon you'd have to eat to have any significant effect, given that they studied an isolated element contained within the cinnamon rather than cinnamon by itself.
Also? I again return to my ongoing puzzlement over why metabolically healthy individuals need to even concern themselves with this.
The war on carbohydrates and fear mongering surrounding them has led to this sort of thinking that everyone needs to worry about them. It's ridiculous.2
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