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Pizza Is a Healthier Breakfast Than Most Cereals
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Another thought I want to return to. The cinnamon thing. How does that work?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11506060/
I wonder how much cinnamon you'd have to eat to have any significant effect, given that they studied an isolated element contained within the cinnamon rather than cinnamon by itself.
Also? I again return to my ongoing puzzlement over why metabolically healthy individuals need to even concern themselves with this.
The war on carbohydrates and fear mongering surrounding them has led to this sort of thinking that everyone needs to worry about them. It's ridiculous.
Unfortunately, there are a fair number of people out there who believe EVERYONE is under-nourished, insulin resistant, and metabolically challenged due to processed food, or factory farming, or GMOs, or pesticides, or whatever other scare-mongering FB woo they've been reading. It's sad really.5 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Another thought I want to return to. The cinnamon thing. How does that work?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11506060/
I wonder how much cinnamon you'd have to eat to have any significant effect, given that they studied an isolated element contained within the cinnamon rather than cinnamon by itself.
Also? I again return to my ongoing puzzlement over why metabolically healthy individuals need to even concern themselves with this.
The war on carbohydrates and fear mongering surrounding them has led to this sort of thinking that everyone needs to worry about them. It's ridiculous.
Unfortunately, there are a fair number of people out there who believe EVERYONE is under-nourished, insulin resistant, and metabolically challenged due to processed food, or factory farming, or GMOs, or pesticides, or whatever other scare-mongering FB woo they've been reading. It's sad really.
I don't get the terror of insulin and blood sugar spikes. Isn't that how the body... works? My husband is T1, and I've need what happens when you're not getting insulin...1 -
The healthiest breakfast food is that one that fits your calorie and nutrient goals. Or don't eat breakfast if you don't want to.
But...but...common sense? What's common sense doing in this thread? I believe it's been clearly established that one must eat pizza or cereal for breakfast.
eta: Where on earth did that user name come from?3 -
The healthiest breakfast food is that one that fits your calorie and nutrient goals. Or don't eat breakfast if you don't want to.
But...but...common sense? What's common sense doing in this thread? I believe it's been clearly established that one must eat pizza or cereal for breakfast.
eta: Where on earth did that user name come from?
Haven't you ever seen the Howard Stern movie Private Parts?
Nope - off to google!
eta: Dammit, I should know better than to ask about user names without googling first - they're almost always a pop cultural reference that goes right over my head! :laugh:0 -
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WinoGelato wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
All grains are complex carbs.
Fruit calories come from simple carbs (mostly).
Complex carb = starch.
Simple carb = fruit.
Potato, white bread, oats, beans, flour, french fries (although these include fat too) = complex.
Fruit, dairy, table sugar, pop = simple.
You can't generalize, some are nutrient dense foods, some are not.
Oops, correction to the above: I meant to write "simple carb = sugar." Must have had fruit on the brain ;-)
As long as you aren't mixing the fruit with meat, you should be fine.
Although that's a pity - because proscuitto wrapped melon is a lovely antipasti, and I make blueberry pancakes with bacon almost every weekend, and pork tenderloin in a blackberry reduction is fantastic....
I think I just figured out my Saturday menu!
Dang! So much for putting tomato and avocado on my burger.1 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »
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That's...disturbing.1 -
ladyhusker39 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I’d argue against that and in favor of cereal being in all around healthier choice for mornings or afternoons. What do you think pizza is? I’m not being funny here. Really think about it. You have meat, tomato sauce and bread that is most often not whole wheat. The carbs from the bread alone cause a big insulin spike because carbs convert to sugar. Yeah.. the thing you said was bad about cereal is actually in pizza. Sugar is a tricky beast that you must out smart. It’s in the tomato sauce too btw. Here’s what you can do. Adding cinnamon to cereal mimics insulin in the body and helps lower the odds of a spike from the sugar. I don't recommend sugary cereals but at least with cereal you have options. Ever eaten whole wheat pizza? Me either.
Now the meat is a totally different avenue. If you eat meat for breakfast your body will need quite a few hours to digest that. Plan on eating soon after? That may not be a big concern to some but cereal has more flexibility. Chose bran cereals or whole wheat types for the fiber value. OVERALL. Cereal is the better choice to ensure you start and end your day right, fortifying your body with nutrients.
You do realise cereal is almost exclusively carbs right?
Wait, I missed the cinnamon nonsense. Well, almost all of it is nonsense but the cinnamon one is a new level of nonsense.
Why do you assume carbs are bad? I live an active lifestyle and enjoy carbs because they burn off as energy. The only bad carbs are simple carbs. Eating healthy grain cereals are complex carbs. There isn’t a negative draw to slow released energy or carbs unless you don't use them.
Explain to me why cinnamon being used to slow glucose absorption is nonsense?
Why are simple carbs bad?
Correction** simple carbs are bad if you are not being active. They are directly linked to visceral fat.
Studies, please.
Sure, check out this study done on whole grains vs refined grains. Complex carb vs simple carb.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1165/4597531
All grains are complex carbs.
Fruit calories come from simple carbs (mostly).
Complex carb = starch.
Simple carb = fruit.
Potato, white bread, oats, beans, flour, french fries (although these include fat too) = complex.
Fruit, dairy, table sugar, pop = simple.
You can't generalize, some are nutrient dense foods, some are not.
Oops, correction to the above: I meant to write "simple carb = sugar." Must have had fruit on the brain ;-)
As long as you aren't mixing the fruit with meat, you should be fine.
Although that's a pity - because proscuitto wrapped melon is a lovely antipasti, and I make blueberry pancakes with bacon almost every weekend, and pork tenderloin in a blackberry reduction is fantastic....
I think I just figured out my Saturday menu!
Dang! So much for putting tomato and avocado on my burger.
Good lord, woman! Are you trying to kill yourself?0 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Another thought I want to return to. The cinnamon thing. How does that work?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11506060/
I wonder how much cinnamon you'd have to eat to have any significant effect, given that they studied an isolated element contained within the cinnamon rather than cinnamon by itself.
Also? I again return to my ongoing puzzlement over why metabolically healthy individuals need to even concern themselves with this.
The war on carbohydrates and fear mongering surrounding them has led to this sort of thinking that everyone needs to worry about them. It's ridiculous.
Unfortunately, there are a fair number of people out there who believe EVERYONE is under-nourished, insulin resistant, and metabolically challenged due to processed food, or factory farming, or GMOs, or pesticides, or whatever other scare-mongering FB woo they've been reading. It's sad really.
I don't get the terror of insulin and blood sugar spikes. Isn't that how the body... works? My husband is T1, and I've need what happens when you're not getting insulin...
^This. Alllllllllll day.1 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Another thought I want to return to. The cinnamon thing. How does that work?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11506060/
I wonder how much cinnamon you'd have to eat to have any significant effect, given that they studied an isolated element contained within the cinnamon rather than cinnamon by itself.
Also? I again return to my ongoing puzzlement over why metabolically healthy individuals need to even concern themselves with this.
The war on carbohydrates and fear mongering surrounding them has led to this sort of thinking that everyone needs to worry about them. It's ridiculous.
Unfortunately, there are a fair number of people out there who believe EVERYONE is under-nourished, insulin resistant, and metabolically challenged due to processed food, or factory farming, or GMOs, or pesticides, or whatever other scare-mongering FB woo they've been reading. It's sad really.
I don't get the terror of insulin and blood sugar spikes. Isn't that how the body... works? My husband is T1, and I've need what happens when you're not getting insulin...
Thank the idiots like Fung and Taubes, and their tinfoil hat junk science.3 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Another thought I want to return to. The cinnamon thing. How does that work?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11506060/
I wonder how much cinnamon you'd have to eat to have any significant effect, given that they studied an isolated element contained within the cinnamon rather than cinnamon by itself.
Also? I again return to my ongoing puzzlement over why metabolically healthy individuals need to even concern themselves with this.
The war on carbohydrates and fear mongering surrounding them has led to this sort of thinking that everyone needs to worry about them. It's ridiculous.
Unfortunately, there are a fair number of people out there who believe EVERYONE is under-nourished, insulin resistant, and metabolically challenged due to processed food, or factory farming, or GMOs, or pesticides, or whatever other scare-mongering FB woo they've been reading. It's sad really.
I don't get the terror of insulin and blood sugar spikes. Isn't that how the body... works? My husband is T1, and I've need what happens when you're not getting insulin...
^This. Alllllllllll day.
I was just thinking about this. A normal, healthy person avoiding anything that causes insulin spikes is like a normal, healthy person avoiding anything that causes the production of more stomach acid.
The production of insulin (and stomach acid for that matter) is a function of the body for effective digestion, storage, energy production and living. It exists to make us the efficient, adaptive, hard to kill off animals that we are. Without it, we would have died off long ago. Our ancestors survived because we're these wonderful machines that produce stuff in response to stuff entering our bodies and allow us to process and use that stuff. If our forefathers tried to live in a way which avoided that, they'd have had a damn rough time to survive. We're amazingly adaptive creatures, it's why we're the top of the food chain.
It just doesn't make sense to me.0 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Another thought I want to return to. The cinnamon thing. How does that work?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11506060/
I wonder how much cinnamon you'd have to eat to have any significant effect, given that they studied an isolated element contained within the cinnamon rather than cinnamon by itself.
Also? I again return to my ongoing puzzlement over why metabolically healthy individuals need to even concern themselves with this.
The war on carbohydrates and fear mongering surrounding them has led to this sort of thinking that everyone needs to worry about them. It's ridiculous.
Unfortunately, there are a fair number of people out there who believe EVERYONE is under-nourished, insulin resistant, and metabolically challenged due to processed food, or factory farming, or GMOs, or pesticides, or whatever other scare-mongering FB woo they've been reading. It's sad really.
I don't get the terror of insulin and blood sugar spikes. Isn't that how the body... works? My husband is T1, and I've need what happens when you're not getting insulin...
^This. Alllllllllll day.
I was just thinking about this. A normal, healthy person avoiding anything that causes insulin spikes is like a normal, healthy person avoiding anything that causes the production of more stomach acid.
The production of insulin (and stomach acid for that matter) is a function of the body for effective digestion, storage, energy production and living. It exists to make us the efficient, adaptive, hard to kill off animals that we are. Without it, we would have died off long ago. Our ancestors survived because we're these wonderful machines that produce stuff in response to stuff entering our bodies and allow us to process and use that stuff. If our forefathers tried to live in a way which avoided that, they'd have had a damn rough time to survive. We're amazingly adaptive creatures, it's why we're the top of the food chain.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
That's because you don't need scare tactics and sciency sounding mumbo jumbo to sell your books and convert the masses to your way of thinking!1 -
stanmann571 wrote: »billym2018 wrote: »I think a lot of you misunderstood the direction of my post saying cereal was an all around healthier option. I was making a direct reply to the statement made by Chelsey Amer. Her argument was that pizza is a more balanced meal. My maybe not so clear point was that not all cereal or pizza is created equal so assume we are talking about the common pizza vs the common cereal. Bran cereals and whole grain cereals are common. Picking a healthy cereal is easier for the average person. You can find healthy choices with both. That’s a no brainer. I just didn't agree with her saying pizza is a more balanced meal. I see the words “balanced meal” and I think of digestion. Pizza is commonly tomato sauce, cheese, white bread and maybe processed meat. That’s mixing a lot of things that don't balance well in the digestive tract. I thought the whole point of a balanced meal was being able to absorb the most value from it...
I know we super moved on- but I was catching up with this- and I had to come back to this comment.
What in the actual fkery does this bolded part mean?
Voodoo diet science.
for one. Pizza is normally white flour, but closer to the whole wheat flour used for French/Italian bread as contrasted with the emaciated flour used in wonder bread.
Unless you're nitrate or acid sensitive, it's a great balanced meal.
I'm saying right?
The only part that's unbalanced for me is the whole 1 pizza = 1 serving.
Which is too many calories for me. But it's sort of the way I roll. So I have to be careful- but it's delicious. And we eat things that are mixed all the time- what's the big deal.
super late, but i think you could probably keep it to a slice if you really tried
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I mean. Maybe.
But the question is- are we comparing cheese pizza to special K?4 -
It's apparently National Pizza Day. Thought everyone should know1
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diannethegeek wrote: »It's apparently National Pizza Day. Thought everyone should know
Of course now you tell me- I may have to celebrate tomorrow with the pizza. I have to work tonight.
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