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which is the best diet for overall health and weight loss
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Of all the things
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I wish I could find the graphic showing what happens from the publication of a study until the time the media twists it around and presents the "results" to the public.3 -
I wish I could find the graphic showing what happens from the publication of a study until the time the media twists it around and presents the "results" to the public.
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^ That's the one, describes it perfectly. Thanks!0
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All this because I mentioned 'IF'....Everyone's a critic. Moving on....4
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tramaine_21 wrote: »tramaine_21 wrote: »Too each is own when it comes to diets but intermittent fasting is a great kick start to a healthy lifestyle.
Intermittent fasting isn't a diet, it's an eating pattern. And there's nothing magical about it other than the fact that it helps some people adhere to their calorie goals more easily and provides higher satiety. For some people.
I know it's not a diet, hence why I wrote 'lifestyle', I was just putting it out there what works for me...Btw, there is a science behind 'IF'; it actually promotes autophagy, benefits, the liver, gall bladder, adrenals--especially weight-loss etc...All that can lead to a healthy body, diet and overall lifestyle. Do your research, and I say that respectfully.
Mildly only - the real benefits for increased autophagy are not seen until the fasting state reaches 24-48 hours. And all of the studies that I could find were either on mice or flies, so take those results with a grain of salt as well...
What you're saying is actually flawed, there is science that goes beyond mice, flies that shows substantial benefits from 'IF'....It's out there, it's factual. I'm not going to go back and forth. I just wanted to mention what IF has done for me--that's all. Moving on....Moving ON!!!!!!!
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nutmegoreo wrote: »tramaine_21 wrote: »tramaine_21 wrote: »Too each is own when it comes to diets but intermittent fasting is a great kick start to a healthy lifestyle.
Intermittent fasting isn't a diet, it's an eating pattern. And there's nothing magical about it other than the fact that it helps some people adhere to their calorie goals more easily and provides higher satiety. For some people.
I know it's not a diet, hence why I wrote 'lifestyle', I was just putting it out there what works for me...Btw, there is a science behind 'IF'; it actually promotes autophagy, benefits, the liver, gall bladder, adrenals--especially weight-loss etc...All that can lead to a healthy body, diet and overall lifestyle. Do your research, and I say that respectfully.
Mildly only - the real benefits for increased autophagy are not seen until the fasting state reaches 24-48 hours. And all of the studies that I could find were either on mice or flies, so take those results with a grain of salt as well...
If I had a dollar for every time we have to tell people we aren't mice...
Someone please tell me that we aren't going to have to start telling people that we aren't flies. I'm scared
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tramaine_21 wrote: »tramaine_21 wrote: »tramaine_21 wrote: »Too each is own when it comes to diets but intermittent fasting is a great kick start to a healthy lifestyle.
Intermittent fasting isn't a diet, it's an eating pattern. And there's nothing magical about it other than the fact that it helps some people adhere to their calorie goals more easily and provides higher satiety. For some people.
I know it's not a diet, hence why I wrote 'lifestyle', I was just putting it out there what works for me...Btw, there is a science behind 'IF'; it actually promotes autophagy, benefits, the liver, gall bladder, adrenals--especially weight-loss etc...All that can lead to a healthy body, diet and overall lifestyle. Do your research, and I say that respectfully.
Mildly only - the real benefits for increased autophagy are not seen until the fasting state reaches 24-48 hours. And all of the studies that I could find were either on mice or flies, so take those results with a grain of salt as well...
What you're saying is actually flawed, there is science that goes beyond mice, flies that shows substantial benefits from 'IF'....It's out there, it's factual. I'm not going to go back and forth. I just wanted to mention what IF has done for me--that's all. Moving on....Moving ON!!!!!!!
You could provide links to your sources for this information.
And unfortunately you seem to not understand how this section of the forum works. It's debate. So if you post, here more than anywhere else, expect to be challenged.8 -
tramaine_21 wrote: »tramaine_21 wrote: »tramaine_21 wrote: »Too each is own when it comes to diets but intermittent fasting is a great kick start to a healthy lifestyle.
Intermittent fasting isn't a diet, it's an eating pattern. And there's nothing magical about it other than the fact that it helps some people adhere to their calorie goals more easily and provides higher satiety. For some people.
I know it's not a diet, hence why I wrote 'lifestyle', I was just putting it out there what works for me...Btw, there is a science behind 'IF'; it actually promotes autophagy, benefits, the liver, gall bladder, adrenals--especially weight-loss etc...All that can lead to a healthy body, diet and overall lifestyle. Do your research, and I say that respectfully.
Mildly only - the real benefits for increased autophagy are not seen until the fasting state reaches 24-48 hours. And all of the studies that I could find were either on mice or flies, so take those results with a grain of salt as well...
What you're saying is actually flawed, there is science that goes beyond mice, flies that shows substantial benefits from 'IF'....It's out there, it's factual. I'm not going to go back and forth. I just wanted to mention what IF has done for me--that's all. Moving on....Moving ON!!!!!!!
The only person I have seen trying to promote all these extra advantages to IF is Fung and you can look up-thread for several descriptions of him.4 -
I've tried them all. Being a licensed nutritionist I think it's super important to actually walk the walk before talking about any of the diet trends with a client. Some made me feel great and others made me feel like crap. In the end the only thing that really assisted with weight loss and overall leaning was a calorie deficit... no matter if it was with meat, veggies, egg whites, peanut butter, whey protein or girl-scout cookies. Don't buy into the hype and certainly don't go to a medical doctor for nutritional advice. They're trained to look for symptoms, make a quick diagnosis or referral and subscribe a medication. They're not required to take any nutritional courses throughout med school. Here's a little something I found and thought was great... Fitness Myths Debunked (Nutrition for body comp) 1. Sugar is not inherently fattening; only a calorie surplus will lead to weight gain. 2. Dietary fat is not inherently fattening; only a calorie surplus will lead to weight gain. 3. Breakfast is not necessarily the most important meal of the day; your total calorie intake matters most. 4. Consuming small and frequent meals throughout the day does not stoke a metabolic fire; your total caloric intake is what matters most. 5. Carbs after 6pm do not automatically get converted to body fat; your total daily caloric intake is what determines body fat. and 6. Fat loss supplements are not the answer; you still need a proper diet with a calorie deficit and sufficient nutrients.21
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cushman5279 wrote: »I've tried them all. Being a licensed nutritionist I think it's super important to actually walk the walk before talking about any of the diet trends with a client. Some made me feel great and others made me feel like crap. In the end the only thing that really assisted with weight loss and overall leaning was a calorie deficit... no matter if it was with meat, veggies, egg whites, peanut butter, whey protein or girl-scout cookies. Don't buy into the hype and certainly don't go to a medical doctor for nutritional advice. They're trained to look for symptoms, make a quick diagnosis or referral and subscribe a medication. They're not required to take any nutritional courses throughout med school. Here's a little something I found and thought was great... Fitness Myths Debunked (Nutrition for body comp) 1. Sugar is not inherently fattening; only a calorie surplus will lead to weight gain. 2. Dietary fat is not inherently fattening; only a calorie surplus will lead to weight gain. 3. Breakfast is not necessarily the most important meal of the day; your total calorie intake matters most. 4. Consuming small and frequent meals throughout the day does not stoke a metabolic fire; your total caloric intake is what matters most. 5. Carbs after 6pm do not automatically get converted to body fat; your total daily caloric intake is what determines body fat. and 6. Fat loss supplements are not the answer; you still need a proper diet with a calorie deficit and sufficient nutrients.
So, this is the kind of information a licensed nutritionist would post.
Sounds pretty decent to me
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Tacklewasher wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »I've tried them all. Being a licensed nutritionist I think it's super important to actually walk the walk before talking about any of the diet trends with a client. Some made me feel great and others made me feel like crap. In the end the only thing that really assisted with weight loss and overall leaning was a calorie deficit... no matter if it was with meat, veggies, egg whites, peanut butter, whey protein or girl-scout cookies. Don't buy into the hype and certainly don't go to a medical doctor for nutritional advice. They're trained to look for symptoms, make a quick diagnosis or referral and subscribe a medication. They're not required to take any nutritional courses throughout med school. Here's a little something I found and thought was great... Fitness Myths Debunked (Nutrition for body comp) 1. Sugar is not inherently fattening; only a calorie surplus will lead to weight gain. 2. Dietary fat is not inherently fattening; only a calorie surplus will lead to weight gain. 3. Breakfast is not necessarily the most important meal of the day; your total calorie intake matters most. 4. Consuming small and frequent meals throughout the day does not stoke a metabolic fire; your total caloric intake is what matters most. 5. Carbs after 6pm do not automatically get converted to body fat; your total daily caloric intake is what determines body fat. and 6. Fat loss supplements are not the answer; you still need a proper diet with a calorie deficit and sufficient nutrients.
So, this is the kind of information a licensed nutritionist would post.
Sounds pretty decent to me
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cushman5279 wrote: »I've tried them all. Being a licensed nutritionist I think it's super important to actually walk the walk before talking about any of the diet trends with a client. Some made me feel great and others made me feel like crap. In the end the only thing that really assisted with weight loss and overall leaning was a calorie deficit... no matter if it was with meat, veggies, egg whites, peanut butter, whey protein or girl-scout cookies. Don't buy into the hype and certainly don't go to a medical doctor for nutritional advice. They're trained to look for symptoms, make a quick diagnosis or referral and subscribe a medication. They're not required to take any nutritional courses throughout med school. Here's a little something I found and thought was great... Fitness Myths Debunked (Nutrition for body comp) 1. Sugar is not inherently fattening; only a calorie surplus will lead to weight gain. 2. Dietary fat is not inherently fattening; only a calorie surplus will lead to weight gain. 3. Breakfast is not necessarily the most important meal of the day; your total calorie intake matters most. 4. Consuming small and frequent meals throughout the day does not stoke a metabolic fire; your total caloric intake is what matters most. 5. Carbs after 6pm do not automatically get converted to body fat; your total daily caloric intake is what determines body fat. and 6. Fat loss supplements are not the answer; you still need a proper diet with a calorie deficit and sufficient nutrients.
Finally some sense. Thank you for this post. I'm sure you are a success in your profession.1 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »tramaine_21 wrote: »tramaine_21 wrote: »Too each is own when it comes to diets but intermittent fasting is a great kick start to a healthy lifestyle.
Intermittent fasting isn't a diet, it's an eating pattern. And there's nothing magical about it other than the fact that it helps some people adhere to their calorie goals more easily and provides higher satiety. For some people.
I know it's not a diet, hence why I wrote 'lifestyle', I was just putting it out there what works for me...Btw, there is a science behind 'IF'; it actually promotes autophagy, benefits, the liver, gall bladder, adrenals--especially weight-loss etc...All that can lead to a healthy body, diet and overall lifestyle. Do your research, and I say that respectfully.
Mildly only - the real benefits for increased autophagy are not seen until the fasting state reaches 24-48 hours. And all of the studies that I could find were either on mice or flies, so take those results with a grain of salt as well...
If I had a dollar for every time we have to tell people we aren't mice...
Someone please tell me that we aren't going to have to start telling people that we aren't flies. I'm scared
That fly life tho.
Hmmm... Maybe The Offspring were onto something...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtTR-_Klcq8 5 -
stevencloser wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »tramaine_21 wrote: »tramaine_21 wrote: »Too each is own when it comes to diets but intermittent fasting is a great kick start to a healthy lifestyle.
Intermittent fasting isn't a diet, it's an eating pattern. And there's nothing magical about it other than the fact that it helps some people adhere to their calorie goals more easily and provides higher satiety. For some people.
I know it's not a diet, hence why I wrote 'lifestyle', I was just putting it out there what works for me...Btw, there is a science behind 'IF'; it actually promotes autophagy, benefits, the liver, gall bladder, adrenals--especially weight-loss etc...All that can lead to a healthy body, diet and overall lifestyle. Do your research, and I say that respectfully.
Mildly only - the real benefits for increased autophagy are not seen until the fasting state reaches 24-48 hours. And all of the studies that I could find were either on mice or flies, so take those results with a grain of salt as well...
If I had a dollar for every time we have to tell people we aren't mice...
Someone please tell me that we aren't going to have to start telling people that we aren't flies. I'm scared
Speciescist!
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The one recommend by a dietician with an MD. Because no two people are the same (unless you're an identical twin, and even then - habits can be different), no one diet plan is better than another for everyone.1
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LCHF! Any diet which reduces inflammatory foods and increases intake of foods high in anti oxidants!20
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »LCHF! Any diet which reduces inflammatory foods and increases intake of foods high in anti oxidants!
Bacon, cheese, coconut oil, bulletproof coffee and "fat bombs" are anti-inflammatory and high in antioxidants?16 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »LCHF! Any diet which reduces inflammatory foods and increases intake of foods high in anti oxidants!
Bacon, cheese, coconut oil, bulletproof coffee and "fat bombs" are anti-inflammatory and high in antioxidants?
Foods high in saturated fats are definitely less inflammatory than foods high in polyunsaturated fats!
Are you suggesting that the foods you listed are the ‘only’ foods you can eat on a LCHF diet?12 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »LCHF! Any diet which reduces inflammatory foods and increases intake of foods high in anti oxidants!
Since this is the debate section, can you please provide peer reviewed scientific research that backs up your claim?8 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »LCHF! Any diet which reduces inflammatory foods and increases intake of foods high in anti oxidants!
Since this is the debate section, can you please provide peer reviewed scientific research that backs up your claim?
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets#section112 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »LCHF! Any diet which reduces inflammatory foods and increases intake of foods high in anti oxidants!
Bacon, cheese, coconut oil, bulletproof coffee and "fat bombs" are anti-inflammatory and high in antioxidants?
Foods high in saturated fats are definitely less inflammatory than foods high in polyunsaturated fats!
Are you suggesting that the foods you listed are the ‘only’ foods you can eat on a LCHF diet?
Are you suggesting that the foods eaten by people not on ketogenic diets are all inflammatory and low in antioxidants?7 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »LCHF! Any diet which reduces inflammatory foods and increases intake of foods high in anti oxidants!
Bacon, cheese, coconut oil, bulletproof coffee and "fat bombs" are anti-inflammatory and high in antioxidants?
Foods high in saturated fats are definitely less inflammatory than foods high in polyunsaturated fats!
Are you suggesting that the foods you listed are the ‘only’ foods you can eat on a LCHF diet?
Are you suggesting that the foods eaten by people not on ketogenic diets are all inflammatory and low in antioxidants?tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »LCHF! Any diet which reduces inflammatory foods and increases intake of foods high in anti oxidants!
Bacon, cheese, coconut oil, bulletproof coffee and "fat bombs" are anti-inflammatory and high in antioxidants?
Foods high in saturated fats are definitely less inflammatory than foods high in polyunsaturated fats!
Are you suggesting that the foods you listed are the ‘only’ foods you can eat on a LCHF diet?
Are you suggesting that the foods eaten by people not on ketogenic diets are all inflammatory and low in antioxidants?
I’m suggesting a person on a LCHF (not necessarily keto) will likely be eating less inflammatory and oxidising foods (less grains and refined sugars)! Are you suggesting otherwise?
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The best diet is the one that you can stick with on a caloric deficit (nothing too drastic either like people eating under 1000 calories). This debate is like proving if God exists, you will never get an accurate answer. No diet has been proven to be better than another. Most of them usually end up with the same results long term calorie for calorie.9
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »LCHF! Any diet which reduces inflammatory foods and increases intake of foods high in anti oxidants!
Bacon, cheese, coconut oil, bulletproof coffee and "fat bombs" are anti-inflammatory and high in antioxidants?
Foods high in saturated fats are definitely less inflammatory than foods high in polyunsaturated fats!
Are you suggesting that the foods you listed are the ‘only’ foods you can eat on a LCHF diet?
Are you suggesting that the foods eaten by people not on ketogenic diets are all inflammatory and low in antioxidants?tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »LCHF! Any diet which reduces inflammatory foods and increases intake of foods high in anti oxidants!
Bacon, cheese, coconut oil, bulletproof coffee and "fat bombs" are anti-inflammatory and high in antioxidants?
Foods high in saturated fats are definitely less inflammatory than foods high in polyunsaturated fats!
Are you suggesting that the foods you listed are the ‘only’ foods you can eat on a LCHF diet?
Are you suggesting that the foods eaten by people not on ketogenic diets are all inflammatory and low in antioxidants?
I’m suggesting a person on a LCHF (not necessarily keto) will likely be eating less inflammatory and oxidising foods (less grains and refined sugars)! Are you suggesting otherwise?
Are you familiar with Blue Zones? Lots of fruits, veggies, legumes, whole grains, incredibly high incidence of healthy and active centenarians?11 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »LCHF! Any diet which reduces inflammatory foods and increases intake of foods high in anti oxidants!
Bacon, cheese, coconut oil, bulletproof coffee and "fat bombs" are anti-inflammatory and high in antioxidants?
Foods high in saturated fats are definitely less inflammatory than foods high in polyunsaturated fats!
Are you suggesting that the foods you listed are the ‘only’ foods you can eat on a LCHF diet?
Are you suggesting that the foods eaten by people not on ketogenic diets are all inflammatory and low in antioxidants?tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »LCHF! Any diet which reduces inflammatory foods and increases intake of foods high in anti oxidants!
Bacon, cheese, coconut oil, bulletproof coffee and "fat bombs" are anti-inflammatory and high in antioxidants?
Foods high in saturated fats are definitely less inflammatory than foods high in polyunsaturated fats!
Are you suggesting that the foods you listed are the ‘only’ foods you can eat on a LCHF diet?
Are you suggesting that the foods eaten by people not on ketogenic diets are all inflammatory and low in antioxidants?
I’m suggesting a person on a LCHF (not necessarily keto) will likely be eating less inflammatory and oxidising foods (less grains and refined sugars)! Are you suggesting otherwise?
Are you familiar with Blue Zones? Lots of fruits, veggies, legumes, whole grains, incredibly high incidence of healthy and active centenarians?
Fruit and veggies, saturated fats, nuts and seeds are all great inclusions in a LCHF diet - especially the veggies, nuts seeds.
I should think a diet like the blue zone is very high in antioxidants and low in most types of inflammatory foods.
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »LCHF! Any diet which reduces inflammatory foods and increases intake of foods high in anti oxidants!
Bacon, cheese, coconut oil, bulletproof coffee and "fat bombs" are anti-inflammatory and high in antioxidants?
Foods high in saturated fats are definitely less inflammatory than foods high in polyunsaturated fats!
Are you suggesting that the foods you listed are the ‘only’ foods you can eat on a LCHF diet?
Are you suggesting that the foods eaten by people not on ketogenic diets are all inflammatory and low in antioxidants?tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »LCHF! Any diet which reduces inflammatory foods and increases intake of foods high in anti oxidants!
Bacon, cheese, coconut oil, bulletproof coffee and "fat bombs" are anti-inflammatory and high in antioxidants?
Foods high in saturated fats are definitely less inflammatory than foods high in polyunsaturated fats!
Are you suggesting that the foods you listed are the ‘only’ foods you can eat on a LCHF diet?
Are you suggesting that the foods eaten by people not on ketogenic diets are all inflammatory and low in antioxidants?
I’m suggesting a person on a LCHF (not necessarily keto) will likely be eating less inflammatory and oxidising foods (less grains and refined sugars)! Are you suggesting otherwise?
Are you familiar with Blue Zones? Lots of fruits, veggies, legumes, whole grains, incredibly high incidence of healthy and active centenarians?
Fruit and veggies, saturated fats, nuts and seeds are all great inclusions in a LCHF diet - especially the veggies, nuts seeds.
I should think a diet like the blue zone is very high in antioxidants and low in most types of inflammatory foods.
You said grains are inflammatory, Blue Zones diets incorporate lots of grains. Also lots of fruit and wine, ie sugar. And very low in saturated fat - very little or no meat and dairy.10
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