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Why do people deny CICO ?

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  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    There are so many ways to look at energy balance, but calories are always the scientific measurement. It's a pain, people don't want to deal with it. They want other ways to wrap their heads around the problem, if they want to deal with the problem at all.

    (ZOMG, CA girl!!! You’re still here too? I haven't seen you on the forums in years. (But that could be because I’ve been mostly away from the forums for years. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )
  • nutmegoreo
    nutmegoreo Posts: 15,532 Member
    nutmegoreo wrote: »
    Go to work and this *babysloth* thread blows up!

    I just want to say this thread makes me feel so much better about my daily struggle. I teach high school physics. If y'all have this much trouble explaining this concept to adults, think about teaching concepts to adolescent, distracted students, lol.

    I have found that most people see a "calorie" as being very food specific. They don't get that you can express the energy contained in gasoline in terms of calories - or joules. The units of joules are kg*(m/s)^2 - N*m - work... It has NOTHING to do with the nutritional content of the item containing the calories. We can pour a glass of gasoline with 250 Calories - I think we all know it would be unwise to consume it.

    Sometimes well known ideas are the most misunderstood. For example, Newton's Laws are something some of my students struggle with. Why? Because they have a deeply ingrained mental model that is WRONG - they just think they understand. Getting them to unlearn - and reconstruct a new mental model is challenging for many. Some are just unwilling to admit they misunderstand - they would rather not commit the effort to change their thinking. I see the same thing going on here.

    Kudos to those here that patiently try to help folks understand.

    Thank you for this post. I was just wondering about the calories in fuel. Unfortunately the cost of gas here has gone up that I'm fairly certain I can't afford to add it to my diet.

    Just for chuckles and grins, here are some items with their potential energy expressed in Calories:
    *note* Calories in food are "big C" calories = calories*1,000. Food Calories (1 kilocalorie) contain 1,000 calories. More confusion...

    1 gallon of gasoline = 31,000 Calories (A 4 oz juice glass of gasoline would contain about 970 Calories)
    AA Battery = .24 Calories
    generic candy bar = 239 Calories
    Pound of Uranium-235 = 8.8*10^9 Calories

    Source: https://ocean.washington.edu/courses/envir215/energynumbers.pdf

    Awesome! I've been looking for ways to trim my food budget. This is helpful. I will take batteries off my list (I wonder how much this changes if it's a drained battery, because I could just eat those after they are spent - still not great when looking at cost per calorie though). Gasoline might not be too bad. It's over $5/gallon here, but it won't take much to hit my daily target. I wonder what uranium tastes like?



    nutmegoreo wrote: »
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    Why does it trigger people when others reference a method based upon a law with the same name as the law? CICO is literally the acronym for calories in - calories out, which is literally what you track when you count calories. Calorie counting is commonly referred to as the CICO Diet, so if you understand the context of the post, why is that so upsetting?

    the only people I know who mix up CICO and calorie counting are those that say if you follow IIFYM you eat only twinkies (hyperbole, but you get the point)

    People who don't understand the concept of IIFYM could be a whole 'nother separate thread. And it would probably chase its tail just as many times as CICO threads do.

    It means I only eat protein, right?????

    But it's just for guys who want to get jacked up and take steroids.



    Nah, bruh....IIFYM obvi means you just eat whatever you wanna eat. Stuff your pie hole with donuts, pizza, candy, sugar, booze, whatevs.

    Because "If It FITS YOUR MACROS" obviously isn't what the acronym stands for or anything. And it's not like your macros (if done properly) should add up to your calorie goal. Nope nope. Nosiree.

    If It Fits Your Mouth. Come on now...

    well I failed epically last night -my burger was definitely wayyy bigger than my mouth - and it also just plain sucked! I can't believe I wasted valuable calories on that crap :(

    You're good, you made it bite size, so it fit, just took a little more work to do it. It is sad that you didn't enjoy it though.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    nutmegoreo wrote: »
    sardelsa wrote: »
    I'm going to turn things around and ask for those who aren't fans of CICO .. in particular @PaulChasinDreams who linked all those articles there.
    Instead of weight loss... how about weight gain? How do I do that without increasing calories? Can I just eat 3 protein shakes per day and gain 15 lbs over time? Or just some carbs/sugar/junk and gain? Will that lead to actual gain without being in a surplus? So all those bodybuilders that have to make gainer shakes to reach 6K cals per day, we could spare them by just giving them some carbs? So it only works in one direction then? I am curious if anyone has an answer for me.

    I've had versions of this conversation with vegans who claim it is impossible to gain weight while being vegan.

    Me: "So what you're saying is that it's not suitable for children or anybody who wants to gain muscle weight?"

    Them: "What?"

    Me: "Well, if it's impossible to gain weight on a vegan diet, then it would be deadly for children. Children need to gain weight. And bodybuilders and others looking to gain muscle need to gain weight to meet their goals. So you're arguing that eating animal products is mandatory for children and required to meet certain fitness goals?"

    Them: " ..."

    You are one of my favorite people here :heart:

    Aw, thanks!
  • singingflutelady
    singingflutelady Posts: 8,736 Member
    nutmegoreo wrote: »
    sardelsa wrote: »
    I'm going to turn things around and ask for those who aren't fans of CICO .. in particular @PaulChasinDreams who linked all those articles there.
    Instead of weight loss... how about weight gain? How do I do that without increasing calories? Can I just eat 3 protein shakes per day and gain 15 lbs over time? Or just some carbs/sugar/junk and gain? Will that lead to actual gain without being in a surplus? So all those bodybuilders that have to make gainer shakes to reach 6K cals per day, we could spare them by just giving them some carbs? So it only works in one direction then? I am curious if anyone has an answer for me.

    I've had versions of this conversation with vegans who claim it is impossible to gain weight while being vegan.

    Me: "So what you're saying is that it's not suitable for children or anybody who wants to gain muscle weight?"

    Them: "What?"

    Me: "Well, if it's impossible to gain weight on a vegan diet, then it would be deadly for children. Children need to gain weight. And bodybuilders and others looking to gain muscle need to gain weight to meet their goals. So you're arguing that eating animal products is mandatory for children and required to meet certain fitness goals?"

    Them: " ..."

    You are one of my favorite people here :heart:

    Aw, thanks!

    And you have the best first name (if it is the one in your user name) though you do spell it wrong ;)