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Why do people deny CICO ?
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TriShapeMFP wrote: »If your goals have a fitness component, you will care more about getting your bang for the buck in nutrition per calorie.
I exercise as part of my weight loss plan and fitness goals. With that factor in the weight loss equation, I need a good energy source. So I care about the nutrition component of the calories I take in.
To go on and on about all calories are created equally on a health and fitness form seems ironic. That is like saying all inches are created equally, and then that there is no difference in an inch of steel and an inch of wood. An inch is an inch, right?
Eat less and burn more. But do yourself a favor and eat food that supports the “burn more” aspect of your fitness plan.
Let me guess.
Didn't feel the need to actually read the thread, located in a debate forum, where all this has been hashed out ad nauseam already.
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@TriShapeMFP Just out of curiosity, how much of this thread did you actually read?13
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@TriShapeMFP Just out of curiosity, how much of this thread did you actually read?
My guess is the title. But that might be pushing it.15 -
singingflutelady wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I'm going to turn things around and ask for those who aren't fans of CICO .. in particular @PaulChasinDreams who linked all those articles there.
Instead of weight loss... how about weight gain? How do I do that without increasing calories? Can I just eat 3 protein shakes per day and gain 15 lbs over time? Or just some carbs/sugar/junk and gain? Will that lead to actual gain without being in a surplus? So all those bodybuilders that have to make gainer shakes to reach 6K cals per day, we could spare them by just giving them some carbs? So it only works in one direction then? I am curious if anyone has an answer for me.
I've had versions of this conversation with vegans who claim it is impossible to gain weight while being vegan.
Me: "So what you're saying is that it's not suitable for children or anybody who wants to gain muscle weight?"
Them: "What?"
Me: "Well, if it's impossible to gain weight on a vegan diet, then it would be deadly for children. Children need to gain weight. And bodybuilders and others looking to gain muscle need to gain weight to meet their goals. So you're arguing that eating animal products is mandatory for children and required to meet certain fitness goals?"
Them: " ..."
You are one of my favorite people here
Aw, thanks!
And you have the best first name (if it is the one in your user name) though you do spell it wrong
It's a whole different name, but my parents picked an unusual spelling . . . so I am spelling it wrong (at least according to popular opinion). I picked "Jane" because I actually love it. It is what I'd name myself if I had the chance.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I'm going to turn things around and ask for those who aren't fans of CICO .. in particular @PaulChasinDreams who linked all those articles there.
Instead of weight loss... how about weight gain? How do I do that without increasing calories? Can I just eat 3 protein shakes per day and gain 15 lbs over time? Or just some carbs/sugar/junk and gain? Will that lead to actual gain without being in a surplus? So all those bodybuilders that have to make gainer shakes to reach 6K cals per day, we could spare them by just giving them some carbs? So it only works in one direction then? I am curious if anyone has an answer for me.
I've had versions of this conversation with vegans who claim it is impossible to gain weight while being vegan.
Me: "So what you're saying is that it's not suitable for children or anybody who wants to gain muscle weight?"
Them: "What?"
Me: "Well, if it's impossible to gain weight on a vegan diet, then it would be deadly for children. Children need to gain weight. And bodybuilders and others looking to gain muscle need to gain weight to meet their goals. So you're arguing that eating animal products is mandatory for children and required to meet certain fitness goals?"
Them: " ..."
You are one of my favorite people here
Aw, thanks!
And you have the best first name (if it is the one in your user name) though you do spell it wrong
It's a whole different name, but my parents picked an unusual spelling . . . so I am spelling it wrong (at least according to popular opinion). I picked "Jane" because I actually love it. It is what I'd name myself if I had the chance.
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janejellyroll wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I'm going to turn things around and ask for those who aren't fans of CICO .. in particular @PaulChasinDreams who linked all those articles there.
Instead of weight loss... how about weight gain? How do I do that without increasing calories? Can I just eat 3 protein shakes per day and gain 15 lbs over time? Or just some carbs/sugar/junk and gain? Will that lead to actual gain without being in a surplus? So all those bodybuilders that have to make gainer shakes to reach 6K cals per day, we could spare them by just giving them some carbs? So it only works in one direction then? I am curious if anyone has an answer for me.
I've had versions of this conversation with vegans who claim it is impossible to gain weight while being vegan.
Me: "So what you're saying is that it's not suitable for children or anybody who wants to gain muscle weight?"
Them: "What?"
Me: "Well, if it's impossible to gain weight on a vegan diet, then it would be deadly for children. Children need to gain weight. And bodybuilders and others looking to gain muscle need to gain weight to meet their goals. So you're arguing that eating animal products is mandatory for children and required to meet certain fitness goals?"
Them: " ..."
You are one of my favorite people here
Aw, thanks!
And you have the best first name (if it is the one in your user name) though you do spell it wrong
It's a whole different name, but my parents picked an unusual spelling . . . so I am spelling it wrong (at least according to popular opinion). I picked "Jane" because I actually love it. It is what I'd name myself if I had the chance.
Really?
I'd name myself Brilliantsexgod if I had the choice.....16 -
TriShapeMFP wrote: »If your goals have a fitness component, you will care more about getting your bang for the buck in nutrition per calorie.
I exercise as part of my weight loss plan and fitness goals. With that factor in the weight loss equation, I need a good energy source. So I care about the nutrition component of the calories I take in.
To go on and on about all calories are created equally on a health and fitness form seems ironic. That is like saying all inches are created equally, and then that there is no difference in an inch of steel and an inch of wood. An inch is an inch, right?
Eat less and burn more. But do yourself a favor and eat food that supports the “burn more” aspect of your fitness plan.
You didn't read the rest of the thread did you? Everybody cares about nutrition and a calorie is a unit of measure that is the same unit no matter what you are measuring.
By dropping in and posting what has been posted and clarified multiple times it's clear you don't understand the conversation.14 -
TriShapeMFP wrote: »If your goals have a fitness component, you will care more about getting your bang for the buck in nutrition per calorie.
I exercise as part of my weight loss plan and fitness goals. With that factor in the weight loss equation, I need a good energy source. So I care about the nutrition component of the calories I take in.
To go on and on about all calories are created equally on a health and fitness form seems ironic. That is like saying all inches are created equally, and then that there is no difference in an inch of steel and an inch of wood. An inch is an inch, right?
Eat less and burn more. But do yourself a favor and eat food that supports the “burn more” aspect of your fitness plan.
All calories are equal from a health and fitness standpoint. If you'd read the thread, you'd realize nobody is arguing this means all foods are identical when it comes to macro- and micronutrients.
All inches are equal. An inch is an inch, whether it's an inch of cotton candy or an inch of gravel. Only a fool would hear someone say that and insist they were hearing "Cotton candy and gravel are the same thing."
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Tacklewasher wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I'm going to turn things around and ask for those who aren't fans of CICO .. in particular @PaulChasinDreams who linked all those articles there.
Instead of weight loss... how about weight gain? How do I do that without increasing calories? Can I just eat 3 protein shakes per day and gain 15 lbs over time? Or just some carbs/sugar/junk and gain? Will that lead to actual gain without being in a surplus? So all those bodybuilders that have to make gainer shakes to reach 6K cals per day, we could spare them by just giving them some carbs? So it only works in one direction then? I am curious if anyone has an answer for me.
I've had versions of this conversation with vegans who claim it is impossible to gain weight while being vegan.
Me: "So what you're saying is that it's not suitable for children or anybody who wants to gain muscle weight?"
Them: "What?"
Me: "Well, if it's impossible to gain weight on a vegan diet, then it would be deadly for children. Children need to gain weight. And bodybuilders and others looking to gain muscle need to gain weight to meet their goals. So you're arguing that eating animal products is mandatory for children and required to meet certain fitness goals?"
Them: " ..."
You are one of my favorite people here
Aw, thanks!
And you have the best first name (if it is the one in your user name) though you do spell it wrong
It's a whole different name, but my parents picked an unusual spelling . . . so I am spelling it wrong (at least according to popular opinion). I picked "Jane" because I actually love it. It is what I'd name myself if I had the chance.
Really?
I'd name myself Brilliantsexgod if I had the choice.....
Modest and witty.
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TriShapeMFP wrote: »If your goals have a fitness component, you will care more about getting your bang for the buck in nutrition per calorie.
I exercise as part of my weight loss plan and fitness goals. With that factor in the weight loss equation, I need a good energy source. So I care about the nutrition component of the calories I take in.
To go on and on about all calories are created equally on a health and fitness form seems ironic. That is like saying all inches are created equally, and then that there is no difference in an inch of steel and an inch of wood. An inch is an inch, right?
Eat less and burn more. But do yourself a favor and eat food that supports the “burn more” aspect of your fitness plan.
What if my goal is to gain? And I have so many calories to play with? Surely I don't want to burn more in that case.
Also I consider fitness a huge part of my goal. Sometimes I don't have to chose the most nutritious option.. sometimes I want cereal, ice cream, candy, what if those foods actually help me with my workout performance, adhere better and help me stick with my goals long term.14 -
janejellyroll wrote: »All inches are equal. An inch is an inch, whether it's an inch of cotton candy or an inch of gravel. Only a fool would hear someone say that and insist they were hearing "Cotton candy and gravel are the same thing."
Seems to be a few fools around here at times. And it isn't even Friday yet.
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"Hold on, everyone! I'm here to resolve the debate that I imagine you're having! You can thank me later!"13
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garystrickland357 wrote: »@nutmegoreo
You just have to watch your macros closely. Think of gasoline as more analogous to carbs and diesel being more like fat. If you're looking for something meatier, use straight unrefined crude. Yeah, dead batteries are a bit like that cheese that stayed in the drawer too long...
As far as the Uranium - it tastes a little sweeter than Plutonium, with a hint of mercury.
:laugh: I hadn't considered the macros on it. Great point. Nutrition is important (for health purposes and satiety, not weight loss), just to tie it all back into the theme of the thread.4 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »garystrickland357 wrote: »@nutmegoreo
You just have to watch your macros closely. Think of gasoline as more analogous to carbs and diesel being more like fat. If you're looking for something meatier, use straight unrefined crude. Yeah, dead batteries are a bit like that cheese that stayed in the drawer too long...
As far as the Uranium - it tastes a little sweeter than Plutonium, with a hint of mercury.
:laugh: I hadn't considered the macros on it. Great point. Nutrition is important (for health purposes and satiety, not weight loss), just to tie it all back into the theme of the thread.
See, you're confusing the two topics. From a CICO perspective, it's irrelevant if you drink diesel/gasonline/unrefined crude. CICO <> BTU counting.4 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »garystrickland357 wrote: »@nutmegoreo
You just have to watch your macros closely. Think of gasoline as more analogous to carbs and diesel being more like fat. If you're looking for something meatier, use straight unrefined crude. Yeah, dead batteries are a bit like that cheese that stayed in the drawer too long...
As far as the Uranium - it tastes a little sweeter than Plutonium, with a hint of mercury.
:laugh: I hadn't considered the macros on it. Great point. Nutrition is important (for health purposes and satiety, not weight loss), just to tie it all back into the theme of the thread.
See, you're confusing the two topics. From a CICO perspective, it's irrelevant if you drink diesel/gasonline/unrefined crude. CICO <> BTU counting.
Hey, I'm creating whole new diet plan. Don't be telling me I'm doing it wrong. I have blogs to prove it!6 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »garystrickland357 wrote: »@nutmegoreo
You just have to watch your macros closely. Think of gasoline as more analogous to carbs and diesel being more like fat. If you're looking for something meatier, use straight unrefined crude. Yeah, dead batteries are a bit like that cheese that stayed in the drawer too long...
As far as the Uranium - it tastes a little sweeter than Plutonium, with a hint of mercury.
:laugh: I hadn't considered the macros on it. Great point. Nutrition is important (for health purposes and satiety, not weight loss), just to tie it all back into the theme of the thread.
See, you're confusing the two topics. From a CICO perspective, it's irrelevant if you drink diesel/gasonline/unrefined crude. CICO <> BTU counting.
Yep, you got me. Sorry I crossed the line
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nutmegoreo wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »garystrickland357 wrote: »@nutmegoreo
You just have to watch your macros closely. Think of gasoline as more analogous to carbs and diesel being more like fat. If you're looking for something meatier, use straight unrefined crude. Yeah, dead batteries are a bit like that cheese that stayed in the drawer too long...
As far as the Uranium - it tastes a little sweeter than Plutonium, with a hint of mercury.
:laugh: I hadn't considered the macros on it. Great point. Nutrition is important (for health purposes and satiety, not weight loss), just to tie it all back into the theme of the thread.
See, you're confusing the two topics. From a CICO perspective, it's irrelevant if you drink diesel/gasonline/unrefined crude. CICO <> BTU counting.
Hey, I'm creating whole new diet plan. Don't be telling me I'm doing it wrong. I have blogs to prove it!
I mean, as long as you have some blogs to back you up and a lot of CAPS LOCK in your posts, who could possibly argue with that?
Just make sure to be smug about how enlightened you are and how everybody else is mired in "old science" and has their heads stuck in the mud and refuses to see the genius of your plan. Disregard any and all peer-reviewed research. Then and only then can you supersede all the laws of physics and leave reality as we know it behind. How awesome will it be to lose weight while eating a massive surplus (or gain huge amounts of muscle while in a massive deficit, if that's your thing), defy gravity and be immortal, all at the same time??? :drinker:10 -
garystrickland357 wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »garystrickland357 wrote: »@nutmegoreo
You just have to watch your macros closely. Think of gasoline as more analogous to carbs and diesel being more like fat. If you're looking for something meatier, use straight unrefined crude. Yeah, dead batteries are a bit like that cheese that stayed in the drawer too long...
As far as the Uranium - it tastes a little sweeter than Plutonium, with a hint of mercury.
:laugh: I hadn't considered the macros on it. Great point. Nutrition is important (for health purposes and satiety, not weight loss), just to tie it all back into the theme of the thread.
See, you're confusing the two topics. From a CICO perspective, it's irrelevant if you drink diesel/gasonline/unrefined crude. CICO <> BTU counting.
Yep, you got me. Sorry I crossed the line
Calories? BTUs? Pffft...amateurs. I measure my energy balance with electron volts.14 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »garystrickland357 wrote: »@nutmegoreo
You just have to watch your macros closely. Think of gasoline as more analogous to carbs and diesel being more like fat. If you're looking for something meatier, use straight unrefined crude. Yeah, dead batteries are a bit like that cheese that stayed in the drawer too long...
As far as the Uranium - it tastes a little sweeter than Plutonium, with a hint of mercury.
:laugh: I hadn't considered the macros on it. Great point. Nutrition is important (for health purposes and satiety, not weight loss), just to tie it all back into the theme of the thread.
See, you're confusing the two topics. From a CICO perspective, it's irrelevant if you drink diesel/gasonline/unrefined crude. CICO <> BTU counting.
Hey, I'm creating whole new diet plan. Don't be telling me I'm doing it wrong. I have blogs to prove it!
I mean, as long as you have some blogs to back you up and a lot of CAPS LOCK in your posts, who could possibly argue with that?
Just make sure to be smug about how enlightened you are and how everybody else is mired in "old science" and has their heads stuck in the mud and refuses to see the genius of your plan. Disregard any and all peer-reviewed research. Then and only then you can supersede all the laws of physics and leave reality behind. How awesome will it be to lose weight while eating a massive surplus, defy gravity and be immortal, all at the same time??? :drinker:
THANKS FOR THE TIPS. I do believe that my new SUPERFUEL diet will certainly HELP ME DEFY GRAVITY. Particularly when someone lights a match near me. Hmmmm... There may be one small flaw in my plan
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garystrickland357 wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »garystrickland357 wrote: »@nutmegoreo
You just have to watch your macros closely. Think of gasoline as more analogous to carbs and diesel being more like fat. If you're looking for something meatier, use straight unrefined crude. Yeah, dead batteries are a bit like that cheese that stayed in the drawer too long...
As far as the Uranium - it tastes a little sweeter than Plutonium, with a hint of mercury.
:laugh: I hadn't considered the macros on it. Great point. Nutrition is important (for health purposes and satiety, not weight loss), just to tie it all back into the theme of the thread.
See, you're confusing the two topics. From a CICO perspective, it's irrelevant if you drink diesel/gasonline/unrefined crude. CICO <> BTU counting.
Yep, you got me. Sorry I crossed the line
Calories? BTUs? Pffft...amateurs. I measure my energy balance with electron volts.
Pitiful mortal. I measure mine in kilowatt hours.7 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »garystrickland357 wrote: »@nutmegoreo
You just have to watch your macros closely. Think of gasoline as more analogous to carbs and diesel being more like fat. If you're looking for something meatier, use straight unrefined crude. Yeah, dead batteries are a bit like that cheese that stayed in the drawer too long...
As far as the Uranium - it tastes a little sweeter than Plutonium, with a hint of mercury.
:laugh: I hadn't considered the macros on it. Great point. Nutrition is important (for health purposes and satiety, not weight loss), just to tie it all back into the theme of the thread.
See, you're confusing the two topics. From a CICO perspective, it's irrelevant if you drink diesel/gasonline/unrefined crude. CICO <> BTU counting.
Hey, I'm creating whole new diet plan. Don't be telling me I'm doing it wrong. I have blogs to prove it!
I mean, as long as you have some blogs to back you up and a lot of CAPS LOCK in your posts, who could possibly argue with that?
Just make sure to be smug about how enlightened you are and how everybody else is mired in "old science" and has their heads stuck in the mud and refuses to see the genius of your plan. Disregard any and all peer-reviewed research. Then and only then you can supersede all the laws of physics and leave reality behind. How awesome will it be to lose weight while eating a massive surplus, defy gravity and be immortal, all at the same time??? :drinker:
THANKS FOR THE TIPS. I do believe that my new SUPERFUEL diet will certainly HELP ME DEFY GRAVITY. Particularly when someone lights a match near me. Hmmmm... There may be one small flaw in my plan
But your new (?) avi (which I love) suggests that you can hide that flaw from the public as long as no one opens the box.
So your new diet plan will make you rich after all.
If you still exist.5 -
diannethegeek wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »nellypurcelly wrote: »nellypurcelly wrote: »nellypurcelly wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »nellypurcelly wrote: »PaulChasinDreams wrote: »
Unfortunately, it doesn't matter how many doctors, scientists, trainers, nutritionists, etc. that you cite. They are all the wrong ones... especially if they've heard of the second law of thermodynamics.
Instead of appealing to authorities, try finding a single study that controls for calories and protein intake that shows an advantage to low carb diets.
I'll wait
Why? If I find a study, you'll say it's the wrong one. If I find an expert, you'll say it's the wrong one. If I tell you my personal experience, you'll say I'm wrong. I know that I lost weight by creating a calorie deficit, but I've also created a calorie deficit by following a diet that included a lot of carbs, and guess what! I didn't lose weight. I also know that I probably just didn't know how to calculate calories, but now suddenly, when I switched to a low carb diet, I magically know how to calculate calories. It's so odd how that happened.
My guess is that with carbs you didn't see quick results so you gave up too soon and you switched to cutting carbs and voila, you saw an immediate scale loss because you dropped water weight so you stuck with it. Carbs don't create extra energy from thin air and they don't slow your metabolism. Please understand, you're wrong.
I know this is different from the CICO law, and I get what you're saying. But how long would you follow an eating plan that isn't getting you the results you desire... 6 months, a year, 2 years, 10 years? That would be insane. I switched to gluten-free/low carb on my endocrinologist's, my personal trainer's, and my nutrition coach's advice, and I've been losing a consistent 2 lbs per week for about 10 weeks now. I didn't have a huge water weight loss the first week, motivating me to continue, because I was already limiting my calories and exercising prior to the switch, so I didn't have a lot of extra water weight. I just wasn't getting enough of a result (1 lb per month with carbs vs. 8 lbs per month without). It would take me years to get the same results I can get in 6 months by not eating carbs. Why would I (or anyone else) want to do that?!?
If it's working the way you say it is working it is because you are eating less. My wife has always had success going low carb because fat and protein are very satiating for her. This blunts her appetite causing her to eat less...
You may be right. So why would I want to eat the same number of calories, include carbs, and feel hungry all the time? If fat and protein are more satiating to me, and carbs are more satiating to you, then there's nothing wrong with that.
Who do you feel is telling you that you shouldn't follow the low carb plan that is working for you? Who here is suggesting you need to eat more carbs? You keep saying that you aren't telling others how to eat, but you seem to think that others are telling you that, and I'm just not seeing it, nor would I believe that any of the veteran posters on this thread would suggest that someone needs to eat in a certain way. I do, however, see a very enthusiastic keto proponent trying to tell the rest of us that WE are deluded by modern medicine and we are the ones who will be regretting our choices if we don't immediately switch to this way of eating...
There always seem to be three kinds of people in this thread.
A: CICO is what matters for weight loss, which is great news because you can choose whatever diet plan you like and tweak it in a dozen different ways to find what suits you as long as you get dat calorie deficit.
B: CICO didn't work for me because I have to eat low carb.
C: CICO will kill you all, you fools! It is worthless and you will get health problems and die earlier than the rest of us. See the light! Outdated science! CAPS LOCK! INSULTS!
I note that the people who fall into camp B are more likely to side with camp C than camp A. I wonder why that is.
Because the camp A people are mean, usually . . . if I'm following the threads correctly.
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Calories? BTUs? Pffft...amateurs. I measure my energy balance with electron volts.[/quote]
At the deepest level, understanding the bond dissociation energies, ioization energy, or binding energy in kjoules/mole or ev/bond might be the best supporting evidence for CICO that exists...
Being serious - if we understand that the energy it takes to break or form a chemical bond is finite and predictable, then understanding at a macro level that CI=CO (potential energy ingested = thermal/mechanical energy released) becomes easier to process.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »garystrickland357 wrote: »@nutmegoreo
You just have to watch your macros closely. Think of gasoline as more analogous to carbs and diesel being more like fat. If you're looking for something meatier, use straight unrefined crude. Yeah, dead batteries are a bit like that cheese that stayed in the drawer too long...
As far as the Uranium - it tastes a little sweeter than Plutonium, with a hint of mercury.
:laugh: I hadn't considered the macros on it. Great point. Nutrition is important (for health purposes and satiety, not weight loss), just to tie it all back into the theme of the thread.
See, you're confusing the two topics. From a CICO perspective, it's irrelevant if you drink diesel/gasonline/unrefined crude. CICO <> BTU counting.
Hey, I'm creating whole new diet plan. Don't be telling me I'm doing it wrong. I have blogs to prove it!
I mean, as long as you have some blogs to back you up and a lot of CAPS LOCK in your posts, who could possibly argue with that?
Just make sure to be smug about how enlightened you are and how everybody else is mired in "old science" and has their heads stuck in the mud and refuses to see the genius of your plan. Disregard any and all peer-reviewed research. Then and only then you can supersede all the laws of physics and leave reality behind. How awesome will it be to lose weight while eating a massive surplus, defy gravity and be immortal, all at the same time??? :drinker:
THANKS FOR THE TIPS. I do believe that my new SUPERFUEL diet will certainly HELP ME DEFY GRAVITY. Particularly when someone lights a match near me. Hmmmm... There may be one small flaw in my plan
But your new (?) avi (which I love) suggests that you can hide that flaw from the public as long as no one opens the box.
So your new diet plan will make you rich after all.
If you still exist.
I've been sporting this avi for a while, but not posting much. So I'm sure it looks new. I love my geeky t-shirts.
You do have a point. As long as no one looks deeper or questions me, I could make a lot of money before anyone figures it out. Thank goodness all this is posted on a super secret and very exclusive website/app! Dodged a bullet there. :bigsmile:5 -
PaulChasinDreams wrote: »nellypurcelly wrote: »PaulChasinDreams wrote: »
Unfortunately, it doesn't matter how many doctors, scientists, trainers, nutritionists, etc. that you cite. They are all the wrong ones... especially if they've heard of the second law of thermodynamics.
Lol yup exactly. It's laughable really. They have nothing else to say but that. Starting to wonder how many of these trolls are paid by big pharma, and the fake food industry lol. Seems pretty obvious to me they can't all be that naive and uninformed. Just have to hope people have minds of their own and do their own research cause some of the info going on here on this thread is scary horrible. Keep on plugging away on those diets people thinking you can eat any calorie you want...we'll see you later looking for help with your high blood sugar, diabetes, organ damage and high cholesterol lol. Way to go!!
From this, I'm making some inferences about what you'd eat if you could "eat any food you want". I may be incorrect.
I know you're making inferences about what foods I want. I'm pretty darned certain you're incorrect.
And, now at age 62, my cholesterol and blood sugar are stellar, thank you. (Blood sugar has always been normal, even when obese, BTW).
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TriShapeMFP wrote: »If your goals have a fitness component, you will care more about getting your bang for the buck in nutrition per calorie.
I exercise as part of my weight loss plan and fitness goals. With that factor in the weight loss equation, I need a good energy source. So I care about the nutrition component of the calories I take in.
To go on and on about all calories are created equally on a health and fitness form seems ironic. That is like saying all inches are created equally, and then that there is no difference in an inch of steel and an inch of wood. An inch is an inch, right?
Eat less and burn more. But do yourself a favor and eat food that supports the “burn more” aspect of your fitness plan.
Let me ask you a question. How to you measure inches? Because an inch is a measure, it's not the thing that's measured, wouldn't you agree?
The same thing applies to food.
A calorie is a measure, it's not the thing that's measured.16 -
I love where this thread has gone. I have read all 65 pages. I just want to put my hand up as another who always looks for @janejellyroll posts. They are always awesome. But she is one of many that I admire.14
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sunfastrose wrote: »I love where this thread has gone. I have read all 65 pages. I just want to put my hand up as another who always looks for @janejellyroll posts. They are always awesome. But she is one of many that I admire.
I think you deserve some kind of prize for actually reading the thread before jumping in with your contribution (which is 100% correct by the way) :drinker:10 -
I remember back in 2010 when someone came to me with this CICO blasphemy. I was all up in arms "but the spiking of the insulinssss!" Then I read the irrefutable science and then tried it for myself. I will again shamelessly promote my thread(it's a thread in this very debate forum) where I ate junk for most of my meals(for science) for 10 months and got into the best shape of my life. It's all about CICO with even better results if you try to get extra protein in and incorporate resistance training. Then slowly eat more nutrient-dense foods for long-term health. This is good news, people. It changed my life tbf.23
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Hey @Dvdgzz
You should always link to your excellent thread...
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10348650/cico-still-skeptical-come-inside-for-a-meticulous-log-that-proves-it/p17
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