WOMEN AGES 50+ FOR SEPTEMBER 2018
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I am an INTJ personality type (tested in my 20’s) and the descriptions of that personality type are usually dead on. What I just learned after following up on some of the discussion here (“door slam” was a fascinating descriptive way to describe such behavior for instance) is that it is exceedingly rare for a woman to have an INTJ personality type.
I thought this was very interesting and quite true:The INTJ personality type is rare, making up only 2-4 percent of the population. But the INTJ female is thought to be even rarer, comprising only 0.5 to 1 percent of the population. With INFJ males estimated to also be around 0.5 to 1 percent (depending on the source), INTJ females are either one of the rarest or possibly even the rarest gender/type combination.
As a result, INTJ females tend to be different from other women. We can come across as intimidating, mysterious, and strange (even to fellow INTJs). We don’t fit the standards of stereotypical femininity, and we hate being pigeonholed.
I am commonly described as intimidating and/or self contained. Little do people realize or believe my behavior is probably just I am very wary and reserved because I’m always afraid everyone will realize “I’m doing it wrong”
But I do it right for Kidd Kirby! (Interesting reading on how good pets can be for the introverted out there, btw.)
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Rye - I ended up with the same - INTJ-T, Architect. Weird. But pretty much dead on, all the way through. I, too, have been told I'm intimidating.
Thanks to all for the knee lectures, I appreciate the kick in the pants on taking care of myself first... and will try to follow it tomorrow. I can take my time between flights tomorrow, long layover, which has its benefits.
Long day today, but got together with my "tribe," for dinner--five of us who enjoy each other's company in and out of work, and aren't afraid to say so. Lovely fun, and many belly laughs. Something I do miss as someone who works remotely most of the time, but not sure I could bear working in an office anymore. The "I" part of that INTJ is coming more and more to the fore of late.
Love y'all,
Lisa in El Paso tonight, Arkansas tomorrow and Saturday, back to El Paso Sunday. *sigh*7 -
Lisa That is interesting. I was discussing the “intimidating” thing with my DH yesterday - he says he’d love it, but agrees with females it is pretty much not said in a complimentary way. For me, reading about other INTJ types that are female has been great. Reading that others strugggle with feeling out of place with other women, and generally out of step with societal expectations, and being judged as combative when intending to be a helpful problem solver, being called rude when trying to be gently honest ... well just knowing that I’m not just a lone oddball but have good company in these things helps!
The “I” part is particularly strong with me if I have to face more than one woman at a time. Women in one on one settings, or men, singly or in groups are usually situations where I’m ok - But social situations calling for me to be with more than one woman at a time are exhausting and confusing to me,I generally choose to sit on the sidelines in these if I can.
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Up in the mid of night - hot flashy and unable to get back to sleep. I decided not to lie in bed suffering through this like I have the past few nights ( futilely) but climbed on the Exercycle, and opened tablet and wrote this. Hoping the activity will reset me and I might be able to sleep afterwards. If not, well at least I’ll have something to show for it! LOL
Rye
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Yes, it's mostly true, Michele. We don't usually walk around with shotguns in the center of town, but a 10-minute walk can put me outside my comfort zone. The grocery store has two weapons safes near the entrance. Same thing at the town office, the church (!), and most of the hotels. In the building that houses the post office and the bank, weapons are totally prohibited, so no weapons safes there.Penny – today they were talking about your town on the radio. I couldn’t help thinking of you. Is it really true that people walk around wearing a shotgun because of all the bears? Is it true that when you go to a store or someplace, they have a locker for you to put your gun in? But they did talk about how beautiful your city was. They talked about how ships go there and I thought of Heather.
Polar bears actually restrict my jogging! It's safe enough in town, but even there I avoid long stretches of road where there are no houses - especially in the winter when it's dark 24/7. The town lies on either side of a shallow river in a narrow valley going north-south and spreads out east-west along the fjord at the valley's north end. The polar bear "safe zone" is shaped like a T where the two strokes of the T are 2 miles long and 1/4 mile wide. That gives us a humongous safe zone of about one square mile.
Lately, the road west of the river at the south end of the T has been closed because of the risk of rockslides, one of the four bridges across the river has been closed indefinitely because it was being washed away, and three polar bears have been sighted in the eastern arm of the T. So I run in tight little laps. Still, it's better than running on a treadmill.
That's one reason I so greatly enjoy running when I'm here in north Norway. We live at the end of a gravel road with very little traffic. (It's the road you could see in yesterday's photo.) There are convenient distance markers every half kilometer. Although I have seen otters occasionally, the most dangerous animal I'm likely to meet is a sheep. There's no way to run a loop - the topography forces me to run out and back again - but the view is so different going east and west that it never gets boring. And YES, there's a VIEW! Running in a forest or a city (or on Heather's lovely lane
), the view is often restricted to whatever is close to your path.
If you'll forgive me for bragging
I'd like to show how my oxygen uptake stats have evolved since I got serious about running back in June.
The main reason I'm sharing is to prove that even a little old lady like me can improve her fitness. That's what I've always found to encouraging about this thread. Others' successes show that it isn't too late!
/Penny at the
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Penny inspiring!
Bone broth/Stock: I have an instant pot and use it to make really delicious stock/broth. I put in chicken bones, an onion, garlic, large carrots and celery as well as herbs that I like (sometimes rosemary, most often thyme) salt and pepper then add water to the max line. 30 minutes later voila! Super delightful, very rich broth. I'm told to up the veggies and takeaway the chicken carcass and it makes an equally rich veggie stock.
Super busy times at work, now that I'm in front of the students, I am happy! It is a privilege to work with them, administrators, not so much
but fortunatley, the admin. kind of ignore me so I do feel like I still have some autonomy.
Love the Meyers-Brigg personality talk, as an introvert that has an extroverted job, I do need to decompress regularly to recharge.
Have a safe and healthy Friday everyone, NYKAREN4 -
Charlotte sheltering in place under the eaves outside sliding door to the deck:
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I'm INTJ too.
Funny how many of us are on this thread. A self selecting sample I think. I've got -A/-T next to it. I've forgotten what that means. Anyone know?
I'm not sure if I'm entirely convinced about it, but one thing the test did for me is make me less judgemental about my life choices. I'm more forgiving of myself in my eccentricities. One thing I love about myself is my intuition.
I'm married to an INFJ, which is great, because if there is an especially diplomatic conversation needed with someone, he is much better at it than I am. I do have to be very careful of his feelings though.
Still haven't heard anything. But I was very proud of myself today when I managed to go back to sleep at 5.45. I woke up with an anxious feeling, but managed to work my way through it and meditated my way back to sleep. Woke up at 7.20.
Having easy fish soup for dinner. I may have a bath this afternoon, a rare treat. My feet need a bit of scrubbing to get back to baby softness.
I'm going up to London on Monday to sit with my friend during chemo. Haven't seen her for a while. I won't actually get there until she is about to be hooked up, because of train times, but I will spend the rest of the day with her. I'm amazed that she is still battling on.
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Lisa That is interesting. I was discussing the “intimidating” thing with my DH yesterday - he says he’d love it, but agrees with females it is pretty much not said in a complimentary way. For me, reading about other INTJ types that are female has been great. Reading that others struggle with feeling out of place with other women, and generally out of step with societal expectations, and being judged as combative when intending to be a helpful problem solver, being called rude when trying to be gently honest ... well just knowing that I’m not just a lone oddball but have good company in these things helps!
The “I” part is particularly strong with me if I have to face more than one woman at a time. Women in one on one settings, or men, singly or in groups are usually situations where I’m ok - But social situations calling for me to be with more than one woman at a time are exhausting and confusing to me,I generally choose to sit on the sidelines in these if I can....
Rye
Rye - yes! I felt out of place with most other women throughout most of my life. Until I was up into my 50s, honestly. This job (thank you, Rori), and possibly this thread, in the last four years, has been really instrumental in helping me to reach out to other women, become comfortable with them, find value in them and my time with them, and be able to be comfortable in groups of them. It may be that it's the women that are drawn to working with the Girl Scouts, as somewhat of a similar, if indefinable, type. And, again, in this thread, it may be that it's those of us who stay with this thread year after year are a similar type.
Or it may be that whatever pulled me away from the company of women changed in me.
And my honesty has gotten me in trouble more than once. And, oddly enough, out of trouble on other occasions, so it all seems to balance out.
Heather - Maybe we do self-select! Nice to have other INTJs out there, since we're apparently unique.
And yes, I have my doubts about almost any "personality" lumping of people. But then, I would, with that "J" on there, wouldn't I!
Lisa - on the road momentarily...3 -
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Did the test and I'm ISFJ-A Apparently a DEFENDER, yes quite spooky how accurate it is.
Kate UK 1 -
Machka: The snake in the toilet would scare at least a decade off of me. How could it get in there? :huh: I’m so glad it wasn’t your house! :bigsmile:
They come up the drain pipes. It doesn't happen frequently, but it can happen.
More frequently, you'll find snakes in long grass or out on the road sunning themselves. Just about every year, there are one or two found in the long grass next to our beach. And one reason to keep a property well groomed is to reduce the possibility that there will be a snake in your yard.
We have three types of snakes in Tasmania - copperhead (like the one in the toilet), tiger snakes, and white-lipped snakes. All are poisonous.
The tiger snakes are the biggest - they can get up to nearly 2 metres.
I don't think I've seen a live snake in Tasmania (a few flattened on the road), but we used to see them when we lived in Victoria. I came home one day to our "Love Shack" in the bush and a black snake slithered across the "driveway" and under the house. I wasn't too impressed.
Machka in Oz
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I took the test twice. First time yesterday it said I was a Defender and then this AM it says I am an Advocate.
So what's to know. All I can say is that I have always liked "helping" but have always been told I was too "Quiet". I find myself easily talking to total strangers but then clamming up around people in a group. I do better one on one. Get my feelings hurt easily. And, am very aware of the moods of others.
As Lisa said, I am more prone to opening up here to you ladies but have always been very guarded about my private life otherwise.
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Good morning Ladies -
Not a lot going on here. I set out yesterday to get the pygmy yard mowed before the predicted rain starts. We were supposed to have a big storm move over around 5 yesterday evening. I got the small yard mowed and the rain hadn't started so I just kept going. Got the balance of the front yard mowed, still no rain. Mowed the front part of the side yard, no rain. Mowed the back part of the side yard, still no rain. Mowed the back pasture to finish it off and no rain. I did get sprinkled on a couple of times, but it was like 12 raindrops so I kept going to see if it would get heavier and it didn't either time, it stopped. The neighbors were probably cracking up because I had on a dress. Since I just planned to do the small yard (that takes like 45 minutes) I just left on my casual dress, added a hat and jumped on the mower. Hubs will be surprised and delighted (and possibly a little annoyed) when he gets home tonight. He has had me on IR for the last couple of weeks so he has done the mowing, of course, he was also home for two weeks so that helped. With all the rain, all of the lot is green again, which is very uncommon for September. Normally the pasture (the un-irragated) part of the lot is dead by now. It is amazing how fast some rain will green it back up. With the greening up comes the johnson grass that has spriggly tall bits that drive me crazy. I can't stand to see those sprightly bits swaying in the wind.
To those in the path of the storm, stay safe! To those with victories, Woo Hoo! To those in need, hugs.
Okie in the TX Hill Country4 -
1948Peachy wrote: »Tracey ~ Happy Birthday to you and your grandson!
Lanette ~ I was looking up INFP because I didn't know what it was and found this site. I took the personality test and was surprised at the results. https://www.16personalities.com/infp-personality I think you would find it very interesting.
Hoping all who visit here are having a blessed day!
Carol in GA
LOGISTICIAN (ISTJ-A)
85% introverted!
I'm actually surprised it is as low as that but I did answer a few questions with what I know I need to do to get things done more than what I'd like to do. For example, at uni, I'm in a group. So I know there are "social" things I need to do to get a good mark.
Also, this situation with my husband has pushed me WAY out of my comfort zone. For example, I've actually had to use the phone. <<shudder>> I hate using the phone. Yet, there I am now talking, and occasionally yelling, into the phone. That's just not me, but it is what has to be done.
I had a laugh at this:
Insight of the Day
"Logisticians are the least likely personality type to enjoy being approached by shop assistants while browsing."
Yep! Stay away from me! If I need help, I'll find you. Many times, I've turned around and walked out of a shop when I see one of them coming at me. And I've been a shop assistant!
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I'm also INTJ! I just did the test again because I can never remember what letters apply to me. But on all four scales (Introvert-Extrovert, Intuition-Sensing, Thinking-Feeling, Judging-Perceiving) I'm only moderately or slightly to one side, not emphatically anything. Little miss milquetoast.
Not surprising if we don't find many "E" people on this thread. The internet is a great place for us introverts. We get to pretend we are outgoing and self-assured while remaining safe in our wonderful little shells. 5 -
To all of us who see ourselves as Introverts, I highly recommend reading "Quiet,The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking" by Susan Cain That book told me so much about myself. One of the reasons that I have been so able to deal with this month of lying down and staying home is that I am much more comfortable with my house, pets, books, than I am with people. I agree with Penny's statement The internet is a great place for us introverts. We get to pretend we are outgoing and self-assured while remaining safe in our wonderful little shells. 7 -
Waving to all the (rare! ) INTJs on this thread.
Done 250 bonus cals on the recumbent bike. One of the programmes I watched was Michael Moseley 's TRUST ME I'M A DOCTOR.
Two things stood out.
a) Six times five minute sessions of brisk walking a day is just as good for your sugar and fat levels as one 30 minute session.
b) Simple strength exercises done at home can significantly help with your muscle strength. The exercises they featured included
1. Standing up and sitting down from a chair with your arms crossed over your chest. As many as you can do in a minute or until you are tired.
2. Raising yourself onto tiptoes and lowering back down. You can hold the back of a chair for balance. Ditto how long.
3. Marching on the spot with you arms out in front of you and bringing your knees up to touch your hands, or as near as you can. Ditto how long.
There were others, but they didn't show them. In two sessions a day people between 60 and 80 increased strength by 5% and muscle girth by 2%in 4 weeks.
Good stuff.
Lots of love, Heather UK xxxxxxx5 -
Good morning all you Introverts - and Extroverts, we'll let you in.
I took the test provided by Carol's link and I was overwhelmingly INTJ. When done thru the actual MBTI testing materials, I'm pretty evenly divided on the E and I, just a hair into the Extrovert - this was 30 years ago with a retest 20 years ago. I could be quite comfortable in a room full of other similar types, but having to deal with a variety of types in a social setting - I'd escape as soon as possible. Other types are so unpredictable!
Plus, being a middle child, I tended to be a "ham" in order to get attention I suppose. If I could pull out of my shell and be a jokester, it gave me a place in the world since I didn't have oldest kid or youngest kid status.
We do tend to hang with our types, by the way. So maybe that's why many of us are drawn to this group, especially in the Introverted sector. We can pick and choose when we have time to participate and like Carol mentioned, how much we wish to share. We are pretty much kindred spirits. My DH is an INTJ and was a college instructor. Carol, Barbie, and several more of you Introverts in this group have/or had teaching careers . Lesson plans anyone? LOL!
Some of my favorite jobs included developing policies and procedures, planning - administrative support to Engineers who were likely INTJ's as well.
I also hate talking on the phone! Email has been a savior for us introverts.
New topic: The latest AARP magazine has an article about the new rules of nutrition for those of us approaching and into our 70's. Eat more protein is the advice - I have read this elsewhere. The article advocates eating 25 - 30 grams of protein at every meal. It says eating over 30 grams/meal is unwise as the body converts the excess it to fat and it can't utilize more than 30 grams at a time. There's no mention of impact of higher protein on the kidneys - I suspect eating more plant proteins such as beans, quinoa, etc. is better than eating more animal protein at every meal.
We need more protein to retain muscle mass in our later years. So I upped my protein macros to 90 grams a few days ago. I normally have a hard time even getting 50 so if I can eat at least 70 I'll be happy. In my case, eating lots more protein is a good way to control my appetite.
Heather - I can't wait to check out the "Trust me I'm a Doctor" by Mosley! Thank you for sharing that. Movement is always good - we don't have to gear up and go to the gym. I was surprised at the beneficial effect a simple 15 minute walk after supper has on my fasting blood sugar the next morning.
Have a good Friday everyone!
Lanette
Cool SW WA State
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The typhoon is within 12 hours of landfall in the Philippines. It's not looking good so I'm hoping they're ready and that it won't be a repeat of a few years ago.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/14/asia/typhoon-mangkhut-philippines-intl/index.html
"The Philippines is evacuating thousands of people, deploying soldiers and positioning emergency provisions as Super Typhoon Mangkhut threatens more than four million people in the north of the country.
Mangkhut -- stronger than Hurricane Florence, which is currently lashing the US East Coast -- is expected to make landfall on the Philippines island of Luzon island early on Saturday. Current wind speeds are up to 285 kilometers per hour (180 mph).
The massive storm, the equivalent of a Category 5 hurricane, has prompted alerts across east and southeast Asia. A second storm, Typhoon Barijat, has also hit the region."
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Karen in VA: I haven’t caught the weather news yet today, but we all have MFP friends in the Carolinas. I’m thinking particularly of Michele. I hope she is safe. :flowerforyou:
Barbara: I’m trying to picture where you live. Are you north or south of Coos Bay? :huh:
Barbie: Enjoy your new jeans. It has been a while since I bought any jeans, too. I have quite a few in my closet & rotate between them. New ones are something to think about.
Michele: I am so glad you’ve posted today. I’ve been hoping you are safe in the storm. :flowerforyou:
Penny: Congrats on your excellent oxygen uptake scores! WTG!!! :bigsmile:
Heather: It is good to hear that you are still able to visit your friend with cancer. She has been a real fighter all this time.
Judi: Welcome to a great group! :flowerforyou:
I just completed the Braxton Riggs 16 personalities & got ISFP-A, Adventurer. It seems like a reasonable outcome for me. It said that I’m 43% extraverted and 57% introverted, also a reasonable description.
I have been away from home and away from yoga too long. I'm enjoying home & hope to get to yoga today.
Katla in Beautiful NW Oregon
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Thank you to everyone for the birthday wishes. I spent the day inside and the evening painting my bathroom with the first coat. Getting the washer and dryer this weekend forced me to get this completed before they are delivered. I will post pics of the before and after when it is done and decorated properly again.
Katla - I have no experience with snow this early. It has mostly melted this morning and should all be melted by end of day, however it is calling for snow/rain all weekend.
Karen - Your grandson is so fortunate that you are able to homeschool him. I feel so many children get lost in the school system.
Penny - I love how you words can make me feel like I am walking with you.
I retook the 16 Personalities test again as I couldn't find my results from last time. I am ISFP - T. The Adventurer. I never would have described myself as that, but it is quite accurate.
I have my first Bone Density Scan today. When I saw my doctor in August she ordered it for me, when I called to make the appointment I was told I must wait until I was actually 50. I am also having my mammogram at the same time, I have been having these for a few years now though since I have a family history of breast cancer. I assume all of my blood work was normal as I haven't heard anything from the doctor. This means my weight loss has made it so I am no longer pre-diabetic!!!!! I hope I don't get a call telling me different at this point.
Tomorrow night I am being treated for my birthday. I am unsure of the plans it was supposed to be a surprise but when I started making plans my daughter told me to butt out that she has me covered. I am quite excited, and am sure I will have a marvelous time.
Happy Friday to all!
Tracey in a sunny Edmonton7 -
Pic from 9 yrs ago at the MS ride4 -
Tis the season of pumpkins again! Am I the only one who just has absolutely no desire for pumpkin anything?
Carol in GA2 -
Carol - I love pumpkin. Scones, bread, muffins, pop tarts ! Yum! I am contenting myself with pumpkin pie yogurt.
Okie.4 -
1948Peachy wrote: »Tis the season of pumpkins again! Am I the only one who just has absolutely no desire for pumpkin anything?
Carol in GA
I am right there with you! I like them as jack-o-lanterns only!2 -
Took the test I'm the E lol Entertainer ..back from the Big E
Over 11,000 steps.....I'm in bed with jammies on....0 -
Hi just joined here and nice to meet others in the same age range.
What goals and resolutions do you have for September? My goals is to lose and feel better! More energy.
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Carol I only enjoy a slice of pumpkin pie on t-day. Don't know why there is such a fuss over pumpkinspice everything!
Looking forward to a peaceful weekend after a hectic week (wait I only worked 3 day this week?? )
NYKAREN3 -
Home in Arkansas for a couple days.
Tired is an understatement. My DH is cooking breakfast for dinner for both of us. Smells amazing.
Love y'all
Lisa5 -
So I got a call from my dr,you don't usually get a call from the dr.she said some of my blood work came back abnormal... couldn't read the slide...she was talking about getting the blood work redone...and maybe sending me to a hematologist...ughhh9
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