What are some of your unpopular opinions about food?
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Humans don't need nearly as much protein as people think. 🤷🏻♀️😬😬😬
Need or benefit from?
I think most people think we generally need (as in might do more poorly healthwise without) the DRI, which is 0.8 g per kg of a healthy body weight (for me, using 120 lb, about 44 g). If you are saying it's not at all important for me to get nearly that much, then I would disagree and say that you indeed have an unpopular opinion.
However, while I don't NEED more, I am convinced that there are benefits for many (especially those who may struggle with building muscle or keeping muscle on, including women of a certain age, or those with muscle building goals that are more challenging). People also seem to vary on how they feel on certain diets, and for some increasing protein is an easy way to help control appetite.
The healthiest, longest-living populations on earth consistently eat around 15% of their calories from protein. Excess protein in the diet is also associated with problems with your kidneys, liver, and bones-not to mention heart disease, cancer, bad breath, constipation, weight gain, systemic inflammation etc.
A caveat is that many of those risks area associated with excess animal protein, but excess protein of any form is associated with kidney damage and increased cancer risk.
No, I am not recommending that anyone consume less than their DRI, and no, following a high protein diet for a short period of time is not likely to cause permanent problems (although it *can*) but a high protein diet, for extended periods of time is associated with negative health outcomes. So while it may benefit you and your goals in the short term, in the long term it will most definitely not benefit someone to be eating huge amounts of protein.
How you feel satiety-wise will not effect how protein affects your body metabolically. Many people feel better satiated with fiber and water. I myself feel an *increase* in hunger when I have eaten more protein than normal. My dad died of excess protein plus lifestyle health issues, so I do kind of have a soapbox, but the science is all there, peer reviewed, non-biased, not funded by the beef, dairy, or egg industry. It's just hard to dig through and find it because we are inundated with info on the "benefits" of high-protein diets. This information is misleading at best and dangerous at worst.
Btw I am not judging anyone or their macros with my comment. I knew though that it would bug someone because of how deep that belief runs. If high protein for a short period of time helps get someone to a healthy weight then that is great, but maintaining macros like 30% protein for years is not good.2 -
The healthiest, longest-living populations on earth consistently eat around 15% of their calories from protein. Excess protein in the diet is also associated with problems with your kidneys, liver, and bones-not to mention heart disease, cancer, bad breath, constipation, weight gain, systemic inflammation etc.
If this is supposed to mean that one needs substantially less than the DRI, it's not a good argument, since based on percentages. The 44g I mentioned, at a maintenance diet for me, would be around 8% for me when I'm active, and still under 10% at the activity level I've fallen into in the Covid era.
15% also is typically much higher than the DRI, which is why I gave my numbers above, and this is especially true because the blue zone populations tend to be reasonably active and have many, many other things different about their diets and lifestyles. Poor evidence indeed!
Similarly, people sometimes make a big deal about Kenyan marathoners eating about 10% protein, but that's not low protein at their cals and body weight.No, I am not recommending that anyone consume less than their DRI, and no, following a high protein diet for a short period of time is not likely to cause permanent problems (although it *can*) but a high protein diet, for extended periods of time is associated with negative health outcomes. So while it may benefit you and your goals in the short term, in the long term it will most definitely not benefit someone to be eating huge amounts of protein.
Oh, okay, then not really relevant to what I said.
I will say that I've read a bunch of the anti protein stuff and the pro WFPB stuff, and I think none of it is all that convincing as there are always many other factors that would likely make a difference (including, yes, the source of protein).
I also don't think 15-20% of my diet in protein (that's what the 0.6-0.8 g/lb that is usually recommended for muscle-maintenance/building and that I tend to prefer is for me at maintenance) would reasonably be considered HIGH protein.How you feel satiety-wise will not effect how protein affects your body metabolically.
Not sure what you mean "metabolically"? You mean it won't help you be healthier? To the contrary, if more protein helps someone more easily maintain a healthy weight and they otherwise eat a balanced healthy diet with plenty of veg and fruit and healthy fats, etc., then it certainly can and does help that person be healthier.
For example, I like to run. There are healthier forms of exercise (in terms of overall risk and outcomes, including just stuff like needing knee replacements as one gets older), but I like running and so running makes it easier for me to be healthy.3 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Frozen custard is better than ice cream.
Gelato is better than everything.
Going to be honest I don't get the hype of Gelato. I like it fine. Buy why is it better than the other options?0 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Frozen custard is better than ice cream.
Gelato is better than everything.
Going to be honest I don't get the hype of Gelato. I like it fine. Buy why is it better than the other options?
I like it; always have. But I have discovered that gelato tastes best when you have it in a friendly little restaurant in Rome, opposite Santa Maria Maggiore, lemon flavored and served inside hollowed out lemon. Ideally, this should happen in the very late evening, after a full day of walking and soaking in as much as possible, with feet delightfully tired, and eyes ready for some quiet reading while absorbing the gelato.6 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Frozen custard is better than ice cream.
Gelato is better than everything.
Going to be honest I don't get the hype of Gelato. I like it fine. Buy why is it better than the other options?
The short answer is that it's a personal preference and I like the more intense flavors, silkier texture, and denser consistency of gelato better. Plus, it agrees with my stomach much better than ice cream.
The long/more-than-you-want-to-know answer is that because of its lower fat content, it really can seem to be more flavorful than ice creams with a high butterfat content. Butterfat coats your tongue and hinders your taste buds from detecting the flavor of the ice cream.
Disclaimer: My husband used to sell soft-serve ice cream machines, so I've heard a little bit more about butterfat percentages than I cared to know.
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Unpopular, but tbh I don't think ice cream is that great when eaten by itself. And bizarre and unique flavors aren't that good. Vanilla ice cream with apple pie? perfect.1
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Don't bother with whole wheat pasta.2
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pancakerunner wrote: »Don't bother with whole wheat pasta.
I prefer it, as long as it's a good brand. (Favorite: Bionaturae).1 -
pancakerunner wrote: »Don't bother with whole wheat pasta.
I prefer it, as long as it's a good brand. (Favorite: Bionaturae).
so long as you enjoy it! in my experience, whole wheat penne or rotini isn't bad, but ww spaghettis and linguine doesn't do it for me0 -
Something like this, although it doesn't need the sugar: https://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/german-potato-salad-with-bacon-vinegar-dressing-and-dill0 -
pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »Don't bother with whole wheat pasta.
I prefer it, as long as it's a good brand. (Favorite: Bionaturae).
so long as you enjoy it! in my experience, whole wheat penne or rotini isn't bad, but ww spaghettis and linguine doesn't do it for me
I like whole wheat pasta (which I prefer depends on the sauce), but I also just realized I generally don't prefer long skinny pastas like spaghetti or linguine or angel hair. Prefer others like penne, rotini, farfalle, etc.0 -
pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »Don't bother with whole wheat pasta.
I prefer it, as long as it's a good brand. (Favorite: Bionaturae).
so long as you enjoy it! in my experience, whole wheat penne or rotini isn't bad, but ww spaghettis and linguine doesn't do it for me
I like whole wheat pasta (which I prefer depends on the sauce), but I also just realized I generally don't prefer long skinny pastas like spaghetti or linguine or angel hair. Prefer others like penne, rotini, farfalle, etc.
Ohhh, the pasta shape is a CONSTANT battle in my house. My husband prefers long skinny pasta, and I prefer shapes.
We have both had to compromise. I vetoed angel hair and he vetoed penne/mostaccioli/anything tube-like.
So, we alternate between spaghetti (which I tolerate), and rotini or farfalle (which he tolerates).
He gets excited when I say I'm making pasta for dinner, but looks crestfallen when he sees that it's "shapes" night.
He's got a gluten intolerance, so we get gluten-free pasta and I can't taste the difference at all.3 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »Don't bother with whole wheat pasta.
I prefer it, as long as it's a good brand. (Favorite: Bionaturae).
so long as you enjoy it! in my experience, whole wheat penne or rotini isn't bad, but ww spaghettis and linguine doesn't do it for me
I like whole wheat pasta (which I prefer depends on the sauce), but I also just realized I generally don't prefer long skinny pastas like spaghetti or linguine or angel hair. Prefer others like penne, rotini, farfalle, etc.
Ohhh, the pasta shape is a CONSTANT battle in my house. My husband prefers long skinny pasta, and I prefer shapes.
We have both had to compromise. I vetoed angel hair and he vetoed penne/mostaccioli/anything tube-like.
So, we alternate between spaghetti (which I tolerate), and rotini or farfalle (which he tolerates).
He gets excited when I say I'm making pasta for dinner, but looks crestfallen when he sees that it's "shapes" night.
He's got a gluten intolerance, so we get gluten-free pasta and I can't taste the difference at all.
I prefer shapes as well. can’t stand angel hair! My favorite are bow ties and wagon wells ahah0 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »Don't bother with whole wheat pasta.
I prefer it, as long as it's a good brand. (Favorite: Bionaturae).
so long as you enjoy it! in my experience, whole wheat penne or rotini isn't bad, but ww spaghettis and linguine doesn't do it for me
I like whole wheat pasta (which I prefer depends on the sauce), but I also just realized I generally don't prefer long skinny pastas like spaghetti or linguine or angel hair. Prefer others like penne, rotini, farfalle, etc.
Ohhh, the pasta shape is a CONSTANT battle in my house. My husband prefers long skinny pasta, and I prefer shapes.
We have both had to compromise. I vetoed angel hair and he vetoed penne/mostaccioli/anything tube-like.
So, we alternate between spaghetti (which I tolerate), and rotini or farfalle (which he tolerates).
He gets excited when I say I'm making pasta for dinner, but looks crestfallen when he sees that it's "shapes" night.
He's got a gluten intolerance, so we get gluten-free pasta and I can't taste the difference at all.
Why is this so cute? I'm sorry, I'm just laughing imagining him getting all disappointed that it's going to be "shapes."3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »Don't bother with whole wheat pasta.
I prefer it, as long as it's a good brand. (Favorite: Bionaturae).
so long as you enjoy it! in my experience, whole wheat penne or rotini isn't bad, but ww spaghettis and linguine doesn't do it for me
I like whole wheat pasta (which I prefer depends on the sauce), but I also just realized I generally don't prefer long skinny pastas like spaghetti or linguine or angel hair. Prefer others like penne, rotini, farfalle, etc.
Ohhh, the pasta shape is a CONSTANT battle in my house. My husband prefers long skinny pasta, and I prefer shapes.
We have both had to compromise. I vetoed angel hair and he vetoed penne/mostaccioli/anything tube-like.
So, we alternate between spaghetti (which I tolerate), and rotini or farfalle (which he tolerates).
He gets excited when I say I'm making pasta for dinner, but looks crestfallen when he sees that it's "shapes" night.
He's got a gluten intolerance, so we get gluten-free pasta and I can't taste the difference at all.
Why is this so cute? I'm sorry, I'm just laughing imagining him getting all disappointed that it's going to be "shapes."
It's like getting a dog all excited about a car ride...only to pull up at the vet's office. 8 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »Don't bother with whole wheat pasta.
I prefer it, as long as it's a good brand. (Favorite: Bionaturae).
so long as you enjoy it! in my experience, whole wheat penne or rotini isn't bad, but ww spaghettis and linguine doesn't do it for me
I like whole wheat pasta (which I prefer depends on the sauce), but I also just realized I generally don't prefer long skinny pastas like spaghetti or linguine or angel hair. Prefer others like penne, rotini, farfalle, etc.
Ohhh, the pasta shape is a CONSTANT battle in my house. My husband prefers long skinny pasta, and I prefer shapes.
We have both had to compromise. I vetoed angel hair and he vetoed penne/mostaccioli/anything tube-like.
So, we alternate between spaghetti (which I tolerate), and rotini or farfalle (which he tolerates).
He gets excited when I say I'm making pasta for dinner, but looks crestfallen when he sees that it's "shapes" night.
He's got a gluten intolerance, so we get gluten-free pasta and I can't taste the difference at all.
Why is this so cute? I'm sorry, I'm just laughing imagining him getting all disappointed that it's going to be "shapes."
It's like getting a dog all excited about a car ride...only to pull up at the vet's office.
why does pasta even come in a variety of shapes? genuine question, as it all tastes the same?0 -
pancakerunner wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »Don't bother with whole wheat pasta.
I prefer it, as long as it's a good brand. (Favorite: Bionaturae).
so long as you enjoy it! in my experience, whole wheat penne or rotini isn't bad, but ww spaghettis and linguine doesn't do it for me
I like whole wheat pasta (which I prefer depends on the sauce), but I also just realized I generally don't prefer long skinny pastas like spaghetti or linguine or angel hair. Prefer others like penne, rotini, farfalle, etc.
Ohhh, the pasta shape is a CONSTANT battle in my house. My husband prefers long skinny pasta, and I prefer shapes.
We have both had to compromise. I vetoed angel hair and he vetoed penne/mostaccioli/anything tube-like.
So, we alternate between spaghetti (which I tolerate), and rotini or farfalle (which he tolerates).
He gets excited when I say I'm making pasta for dinner, but looks crestfallen when he sees that it's "shapes" night.
He's got a gluten intolerance, so we get gluten-free pasta and I can't taste the difference at all.
Why is this so cute? I'm sorry, I'm just laughing imagining him getting all disappointed that it's going to be "shapes."
It's like getting a dog all excited about a car ride...only to pull up at the vet's office.
why does pasta even come in a variety of shapes? genuine question, as it all tastes the same?
I think, traditionally, different shapes were paired with different types of sauces, or in soups or other dishes. There is a difference in the way the shapes hold certain sauces and other ingredients.8 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »Don't bother with whole wheat pasta.
I prefer it, as long as it's a good brand. (Favorite: Bionaturae).
so long as you enjoy it! in my experience, whole wheat penne or rotini isn't bad, but ww spaghettis and linguine doesn't do it for me
I like whole wheat pasta (which I prefer depends on the sauce), but I also just realized I generally don't prefer long skinny pastas like spaghetti or linguine or angel hair. Prefer others like penne, rotini, farfalle, etc.
Ohhh, the pasta shape is a CONSTANT battle in my house. My husband prefers long skinny pasta, and I prefer shapes.
We have both had to compromise. I vetoed angel hair and he vetoed penne/mostaccioli/anything tube-like.
So, we alternate between spaghetti (which I tolerate), and rotini or farfalle (which he tolerates).
He gets excited when I say I'm making pasta for dinner, but looks crestfallen when he sees that it's "shapes" night.
He's got a gluten intolerance, so we get gluten-free pasta and I can't taste the difference at all.
Why is this so cute? I'm sorry, I'm just laughing imagining him getting all disappointed that it's going to be "shapes."
It's like getting a dog all excited about a car ride...only to pull up at the vet's office.
why does pasta even come in a variety of shapes? genuine question, as it all tastes the same?
I think, traditionally, different shapes were paired with different types of sauces, or in soups or other dishes. There is a difference in the way the shapes hold certain sauces and other ingredients.
also probably regional0 -
Swamp salad: has anyone heard of this???
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/cedar-key-heart-of-palm-salad-island-hotel-ice-cream1 -
pancakerunner wrote: »Swamp salad: has anyone heard of this???
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/cedar-key-heart-of-palm-salad-island-hotel-ice-cream
Omg that sounds absolutely disgusting.3 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »Swamp salad: has anyone heard of this???
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/cedar-key-heart-of-palm-salad-island-hotel-ice-cream
Omg that sounds absolutely disgusting.
Right?!1 -
Sometimes - actually, who am I kidding? - quite often, when it is cold or I can't seem to keep warm and I want a fresh salad, I end up heating up that salad in the microwave.
If you're anything like my Mom, I reckon warm lettuce and cucumbers might appall you.
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pancakerunner wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »Don't bother with whole wheat pasta.
I prefer it, as long as it's a good brand. (Favorite: Bionaturae).
so long as you enjoy it! in my experience, whole wheat penne or rotini isn't bad, but ww spaghettis and linguine doesn't do it for me
I like whole wheat pasta (which I prefer depends on the sauce), but I also just realized I generally don't prefer long skinny pastas like spaghetti or linguine or angel hair. Prefer others like penne, rotini, farfalle, etc.
Ohhh, the pasta shape is a CONSTANT battle in my house. My husband prefers long skinny pasta, and I prefer shapes.
We have both had to compromise. I vetoed angel hair and he vetoed penne/mostaccioli/anything tube-like.
So, we alternate between spaghetti (which I tolerate), and rotini or farfalle (which he tolerates).
He gets excited when I say I'm making pasta for dinner, but looks crestfallen when he sees that it's "shapes" night.
He's got a gluten intolerance, so we get gluten-free pasta and I can't taste the difference at all.
I prefer shapes as well. can’t stand angel hair! My favorite are bow ties and wagon wells ahah
Yes! Wagon wheels were my favorite! I don't eat pasta except Shirataki now though. lol0 -
pancakerunner wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »Don't bother with whole wheat pasta.
I prefer it, as long as it's a good brand. (Favorite: Bionaturae).
so long as you enjoy it! in my experience, whole wheat penne or rotini isn't bad, but ww spaghettis and linguine doesn't do it for me
I like whole wheat pasta (which I prefer depends on the sauce), but I also just realized I generally don't prefer long skinny pastas like spaghetti or linguine or angel hair. Prefer others like penne, rotini, farfalle, etc.
Ohhh, the pasta shape is a CONSTANT battle in my house. My husband prefers long skinny pasta, and I prefer shapes.
We have both had to compromise. I vetoed angel hair and he vetoed penne/mostaccioli/anything tube-like.
So, we alternate between spaghetti (which I tolerate), and rotini or farfalle (which he tolerates).
He gets excited when I say I'm making pasta for dinner, but looks crestfallen when he sees that it's "shapes" night.
He's got a gluten intolerance, so we get gluten-free pasta and I can't taste the difference at all.
I prefer shapes as well. can’t stand angel hair! My favorite are bow ties and wagon wells ahah
Yes! Wagon wheels were my favorite! I don't eat pasta except Shirataki now though. lol
wagon wheel with parmesan... childhood!0 -
pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »Don't bother with whole wheat pasta.
I prefer it, as long as it's a good brand. (Favorite: Bionaturae).
so long as you enjoy it! in my experience, whole wheat penne or rotini isn't bad, but ww spaghettis and linguine doesn't do it for me
I like whole wheat pasta (which I prefer depends on the sauce), but I also just realized I generally don't prefer long skinny pastas like spaghetti or linguine or angel hair. Prefer others like penne, rotini, farfalle, etc.
Ohhh, the pasta shape is a CONSTANT battle in my house. My husband prefers long skinny pasta, and I prefer shapes.
We have both had to compromise. I vetoed angel hair and he vetoed penne/mostaccioli/anything tube-like.
So, we alternate between spaghetti (which I tolerate), and rotini or farfalle (which he tolerates).
He gets excited when I say I'm making pasta for dinner, but looks crestfallen when he sees that it's "shapes" night.
He's got a gluten intolerance, so we get gluten-free pasta and I can't taste the difference at all.
I prefer shapes as well. can’t stand angel hair! My favorite are bow ties and wagon wells ahah
Yes! Wagon wheels were my favorite! I don't eat pasta except Shirataki now though. lol
wagon wheel with parmesan... childhood!
Any pasta with butter and parmesean...adulthood!
Top ramen...adulthood!
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pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »Don't bother with whole wheat pasta.
I prefer it, as long as it's a good brand. (Favorite: Bionaturae).
so long as you enjoy it! in my experience, whole wheat penne or rotini isn't bad, but ww spaghettis and linguine doesn't do it for me
I like whole wheat pasta (which I prefer depends on the sauce), but I also just realized I generally don't prefer long skinny pastas like spaghetti or linguine or angel hair. Prefer others like penne, rotini, farfalle, etc.
Ohhh, the pasta shape is a CONSTANT battle in my house. My husband prefers long skinny pasta, and I prefer shapes.
We have both had to compromise. I vetoed angel hair and he vetoed penne/mostaccioli/anything tube-like.
So, we alternate between spaghetti (which I tolerate), and rotini or farfalle (which he tolerates).
He gets excited when I say I'm making pasta for dinner, but looks crestfallen when he sees that it's "shapes" night.
He's got a gluten intolerance, so we get gluten-free pasta and I can't taste the difference at all.
I prefer shapes as well. can’t stand angel hair! My favorite are bow ties and wagon wells ahah
Yes! Wagon wheels were my favorite! I don't eat pasta except Shirataki now though. lol
wagon wheel with parmesan... childhood!
Any pasta with butter and parmesean...adulthood!
Top ramen...adulthood!
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ramen! Thanks for the reminder... now I have to mkae my ramen, cashew and cherry salad1 -
stuffing > mashed potatoes2
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pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »pancakerunner wrote: »Don't bother with whole wheat pasta.
I prefer it, as long as it's a good brand. (Favorite: Bionaturae).
so long as you enjoy it! in my experience, whole wheat penne or rotini isn't bad, but ww spaghettis and linguine doesn't do it for me
I like whole wheat pasta (which I prefer depends on the sauce), but I also just realized I generally don't prefer long skinny pastas like spaghetti or linguine or angel hair. Prefer others like penne, rotini, farfalle, etc.
Ohhh, the pasta shape is a CONSTANT battle in my house. My husband prefers long skinny pasta, and I prefer shapes.
We have both had to compromise. I vetoed angel hair and he vetoed penne/mostaccioli/anything tube-like.
So, we alternate between spaghetti (which I tolerate), and rotini or farfalle (which he tolerates).
He gets excited when I say I'm making pasta for dinner, but looks crestfallen when he sees that it's "shapes" night.
He's got a gluten intolerance, so we get gluten-free pasta and I can't taste the difference at all.
I prefer shapes as well. can’t stand angel hair! My favorite are bow ties and wagon wells ahah
Yes! Wagon wheels were my favorite! I don't eat pasta except Shirataki now though. lol
wagon wheel with parmesan... childhood!
Any pasta with butter and parmesean...adulthood!
Top ramen...adulthood!
😀
ramen! Thanks for the reminder... now I have to mkae my ramen, cashew and cherry salad
As a noncook, I miss top ramen. It's one of those things I had to give up because one serving will ALWAYS be two bricks for me.
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