December 2018 Monthly Running Challenge
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@eleanorhawkins Glad you're seeing a doctor.
You may also be just freaking out like I do pretty much all the time over niggles.
I think it was @MobyCarp who said:
"Endurance athletes only have two modes of dealing with injury: denial, and hypochondria."
@Orphia LOL oh yes that's most definitely me.... I'm ranging from "it doesn't hurt as much now, I'll be running again by Tueday" to "omg I'm never going to be able to run again so I'm never going to be able to eat again so someone might just as well shoot me now". And to think I have trouble not laughing at my daughter, who really is a hypochondriac (when she caught headlice she was convinced one would get inside her and kill her, and told me I wasn't taking a "serious and possible life-threatening medical condition" seriously enough.)
There are no appointments free with my GP until the 26th, and as I said before I'm pretty sure he would just go "rest, ice, ibuprofen and stop thinking you're a spring chicken" cause well, you know, at almost 41 I should be knitting and baking.Of course.
So the plan is to continue putting it up and icing whenever possible and stick to walking. Once it no longer hurts to walk on I will (and I have made myself swear to this!) attempt to run on the treadmill, meaning if it hurts at all I will stop IMMEDIATELY and get off (rather than want to finish that mile or whatever cause I'm far from home and then needing to walk home anyway). If the problem continues then I guess I'll be asking Santa to pay for me to see a Physio.
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12/1 15.55 miles, 215 days on the run
12/2 15.5 miles, 11.15 miles (26.65 total miles)
12/3 16.01 miles
12/4 15.05 miles
12/5 19.33 mile, 7.32 miles (test new shoes - disappointed) (26.65 total miles)
12/6 16.38 miles, 220 days on the run
12/7 19.13 miles
12/8 19.32 miles
12/9 15.34 miles, ice and more ice
12/10 16.22 miles
12/11 3.04 miles, 225 days on the run, Look! I know how to rest...
12/12 4.06 miles, Not fond of this 'resting' bit
12/13 15.46 miles
12/14 13.23 miles, rain, cold, no music, grumpy
12/15 26.34 miles, beautiful day out there!6 -
Not sure ice and ibuprofen would help as "inflammation" is part of the body's healing process.eleanorhawkins wrote: »Question for the sensible minded and the experienced runners round here (I know, not necessarily the same thing!)
I know full well that it's a waste of time and space even asking this and that common sense must prevail but I seem to have lost mine.
As you all know (from how much I've gone on and on about it) I ran my first HM last Sunday. It was the furthest I'd ever run so I expected to be sore, especially as my legs were sore after the previous Sunday's 10 mile run. So the couple of days of sore knees and calves were not unexpected and I rested my legs dutifully. On Wednesday as they felt tight but not painful I took them for a 3 kilometre shake out run, which went ok (although the last kilometre or so was hard work). Felt fine on Thursday, did an hour's walk on the treadmill and an hour's upper body strength workout with light weights. So far so good. Yesterday I went out to run a slow 5 kilometres. After about 12 minutes my knees started to hurt. I stubbornly continued, shortening my intervals to run 4 minutes, walk 1 minute. Came home, iced them and slapped on some anti-inflamatory gel and put them up. They seemed ok, until I had to walk up a steep hill twice in the afternoon to take my daughter to a class. The second time I had to walk down that hill it felt like my left knee was on fire, and by the time I got home everything from my hip to my ankle on that side felt like it was in a scalding iron brace. The other knee was complaining too, but not so badly.
So rest of the day on the sofa with feet up and cold compresses, and more anti-inflamatory gel before bed.
This morning they don't feel too bad yet but I haven't moved much, I'm pretty scared of how they'll react when I do. Stuck a couple of those nasty cheap elasticated knee support bandage things over them just cause they were in a cupboard.
Ok, so, I realise that I should probably not even try to run for a couple of days, even though my plan had been to try and get 6-8km in tomorrow. What worries me is how much rest I can get away with without it affecting my fitness level I suppose?
I have a 14 week training plan for another HM which starts on Tuesday and should have me run 20km altogether for the week. Should I skip that entire week? If I do will I be ok to jump straight into 4 runs totally 21km in a week after 2 weeks off? Should I just take tomorrow and Monday off then maybe try to just do 3km runs next week instead of longer ones?
I know, none of you are doctors or can tell me what to do, guess I'm just using this as somewhere to write down all the thoughts spinning round and round my head. What I'm secretly hoping is that one of you is Harry Potter and can point your wand at my knees and turn them into nice young healthy uncomplaining joints that allow me to run all the miles without them *kitten* up my plans!
Reading this through again.
It was your first HM. Again, congratulations.
DOMS would hit after around 2 days. You went running the third day, then 1hr walk the fourth day. The next day your knees hurt going up and down hills.
Hills hurt at the best of times! You did them on top of fairly normal training instead of downtime after a distance PB.
A distance PB needs a recovery plan just as it needed a training plan. I know a first 42.2 km needs a month to build back up to regular running.
Not being able to run will increase your frustration, so try some new things like relaxation, flexibility, and balance sessions, and enjoy a well-earned rest.
Your knees may be fine before you have your appointment.
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I ran a Christmas 5k with my 11 year old this morning. He ran it in 27 min 32 sec. and was 8th in his age group (11-14) pretty darn good!! I just wanted to brag. Don’t need to share my time because it sucked haha16
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Not sure ice and ibuprofen would help as "inflammation" is part of the body's healing process.eleanorhawkins wrote: »Question for the sensible minded and the experienced runners round here (I know, not necessarily the same thing!)
I know full well that it's a waste of time and space even asking this and that common sense must prevail but I seem to have lost mine.
As you all know (from how much I've gone on and on about it) I ran my first HM last Sunday. It was the furthest I'd ever run so I expected to be sore, especially as my legs were sore after the previous Sunday's 10 mile run. So the couple of days of sore knees and calves were not unexpected and I rested my legs dutifully. On Wednesday as they felt tight but not painful I took them for a 3 kilometre shake out run, which went ok (although the last kilometre or so was hard work). Felt fine on Thursday, did an hour's walk on the treadmill and an hour's upper body strength workout with light weights. So far so good. Yesterday I went out to run a slow 5 kilometres. After about 12 minutes my knees started to hurt. I stubbornly continued, shortening my intervals to run 4 minutes, walk 1 minute. Came home, iced them and slapped on some anti-inflamatory gel and put them up. They seemed ok, until I had to walk up a steep hill twice in the afternoon to take my daughter to a class. The second time I had to walk down that hill it felt like my left knee was on fire, and by the time I got home everything from my hip to my ankle on that side felt like it was in a scalding iron brace. The other knee was complaining too, but not so badly.
So rest of the day on the sofa with feet up and cold compresses, and more anti-inflamatory gel before bed.
This morning they don't feel too bad yet but I haven't moved much, I'm pretty scared of how they'll react when I do. Stuck a couple of those nasty cheap elasticated knee support bandage things over them just cause they were in a cupboard.
Ok, so, I realise that I should probably not even try to run for a couple of days, even though my plan had been to try and get 6-8km in tomorrow. What worries me is how much rest I can get away with without it affecting my fitness level I suppose?
I have a 14 week training plan for another HM which starts on Tuesday and should have me run 20km altogether for the week. Should I skip that entire week? If I do will I be ok to jump straight into 4 runs totally 21km in a week after 2 weeks off? Should I just take tomorrow and Monday off then maybe try to just do 3km runs next week instead of longer ones?
I know, none of you are doctors or can tell me what to do, guess I'm just using this as somewhere to write down all the thoughts spinning round and round my head. What I'm secretly hoping is that one of you is Harry Potter and can point your wand at my knees and turn them into nice young healthy uncomplaining joints that allow me to run all the miles without them *kitten* up my plans!
Reading this through again.
It was your first HM. Again, congratulations.
DOMS would hit after around 2 days. You went running the third day, then 1hr walk the fourth day. The next day your knees hurt going up and down hills.
Hills hurt at the best of times! You did them on top of fairly normal training instead of downtime after a distance PB.
A distance PB needs a recovery plan just as it needed a training plan. I know a first 42.2 km needs a month to build back up to regular running.
Not being able to run will increase your frustration, so try some new things like relaxation, flexibility, and balance sessions, and enjoy a well-earned rest.
Your knees may be fine before you have your appointment.
This sounds like excellent advice. I've had basically a month off since my half and it's been frustrating and annoying but I noticed yesterday all the assorted niggles and annoying pains I'd been feeling since the HM have all gone. I'm planning on getting slowly back into things on Monday.
Also, as always, consider your shoes. How old are they, both your running and walking? I bought a new pair of work shoes 3 weeks ago. Wore them for a. Week but had to stop because I was getting tendon issues again. Not suitable foe me, and it screwed my running AND walking. That also set me back a couple lof weeks. (grrrrrr) Knee issues can also come from shoes.4 -
4.0 miles today! I felt like I could have kept going, even though I ran each mile faster than the one before (not necessarily on purpose - my cell phone battery died, so I wasn't getting Map My Run's pace updates every 1/4 mile like I usually do). My Fitbit reported my overall pace as a 12:12 minute mile. It was a good day; now I'm actually looking forward to hitting 4.5 miles in two weeks.
19.5/38.0 miles for December9 -
Rest day yesterday. Walked w/hubby and the dogs for 2.5 miles this morning, then left them home for another 1.1 mile walk w/occasional running/sprinting. I might have to keep doing random intervals like that. It was fun!6
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1---2.01
2---2.0 TM
4---1.0 TM barefoot for form
9---3.0 TM
11---2.0 TM
14---2.0 TM
15---4.0 intervals
16/45 miles
Upcoming races
January 5 BIRR Ultra relay. 50k. Hawaii. For @KeepRunningFatboy
March 31, 2019 A2A Undecided distance. Ardmore OK
April 28, 2019 OKC Memorial Marathon (half)
Run the Year team A 400+ miles
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10710465/2019-run-the-year-group#latest4 -
Not sure ice and ibuprofen would help as "inflammation" is part of the body's healing process.
IN GENERAL - Avoid ice and ibuprofen as much as you can. They hinder the body's natural healing process.
I am not a doctor nor do I play one on TV though it could be a fun role someday if somehow I ever end up on TV.
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polskagirl01 wrote: »Anyone have any alternatives to the cool year-end Strava visualizations so many of you did last year using madewithsisu.com ? It seems the site has disappeared
or maybe I (and everyone with online links to it) have the wrong address.
Yep, looks like it's no longer available, but you can use Strartwork to get something very similar, and then edit the image to add any customizations. Example, here's a real quick one of mine for this year so far:
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Date :::: Miles :::: Cumulative
12/01/18 :::: 7.7 :::: 7.7
12/02/18 :::: 3.1 :::: 10.8
12/03/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 10.8
12/04/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 10.8
12/05/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 10.8
12/06/18 :::: 3.0 :::: 13.8
12/07/18 :::: 3.1 :::: 16.9
12/08/18 :::: 3.2 :::: 20.1
12/09/18 :::: 5.3 :::: 25.4
12/10/18 :::: 4.9 :::: 30.3
12/11/18 :::: 2.3 :::: 32.6
12/12/18 :::: 2.7 :::: 35.2
12/13/18 :::: 4.8 :::: 40.0
12/14/18 :::: 3.6 :::: 43.6
12/15/18 :::: 6.0 :::: 49.7
Had a nice run this morning - warmer than expected - and then brunch with running friends after. I brought Chrismosas (champagne, sparkling grape juice, apples, pomegranate seeds, fresh cranberries, and green grapes - like a fruit salad in a drink), which were a huge hit. Then got home and took the dog for a nice hike. I really should take advantage of the rest of the afternoon to rake and bag leaves (that are once again uncovered, but for how long?). But I may take a nap and polish off the last bit of Chrismosas instead.
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I ran a Christmas 5k with my 11 year old this morning. He ran it in 27 min 32 sec. and was 8th in his age group (11-14) pretty darn good!! I just wanted to brag. Don’t need to share my time because it sucked haha
Didn't you mention you are pregnant? Your time was excellent - you get to divide it in half! Since technically you were running for two. Congrats to your son!8 -
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I also like Loopie, which you can link to any of your runs in Strava to produce some nice visuals.polskagirl01 wrote: »Anyone have any alternatives to the cool year-end Strava visualizations so many of you did last year using madewithsisu.com ? It seems the site has disappeared or maybe I (and everyone with online links to it) have the wrong address.
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PastorVincent wrote: »Not sure ice and ibuprofen would help as "inflammation" is part of the body's healing process.
IN GENERAL - Avoid ice and ibuprofen as much as you can. They hinder the body's natural healing process.
I am not a doctor nor do I play one on TV though it could be a fun role someday if somehow I ever end up on TV.
This is true but sometimes the inflammation is the issue. For example the cyst behind my knee wasn't really an injury as such, it was just cranking out too much synovial fluid because it had gotten inflamed once, and the excess synovial fluid was being forced between muscle layers and destroying them. So the inflammation was actually causing more injury, and healing couldn't start until it got over itself and calmed down. Sometimes the body's "natural healing process" can be a real drama queen. Steroid shots brought the swelling down, but it wasn't until I took some prescription strength naproxen (Aleve) that the pockets of fluid stopped getting larger and started getting smaller. And only when the pockets of fluid were gone was the healing able to begin.
A lot of typical runner's "injuries," such as tendonitis, piriformis problems, and plantar fasciitis, are caused by inflammation, not an injury as such like a torn calf muscle.6 -
I'll simply add that if you do need pain pills, don't use them to get you through the next run...that's just asking for injuries.PastorVincent wrote: »Not sure ice and ibuprofen would help as "inflammation" is part of the body's healing process.
IN GENERAL - Avoid ice and ibuprofen as much as you can. They hinder the body's natural healing process.
I am not a doctor nor do I play one on TV though it could be a fun role someday if somehow I ever end up on TV.6 -
13.1 miles this afternoon. In a weird turn of events, I never really got winded on this run, but my legs were feeling very heavy and tired. Usually it is the other way around. And I seem to have developed a blister on the top of my big toe and second toe on my right foot. Probably the 'new' Ghost 11's. Just have to tough it out.
Just shy of half way to my goal of 150 miles for the month, half way through December. I think I miscalculated my goal, as my 20 miler isn't until Jan. 5th. Oh well, just have to follow the plan and it is what it is.
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eleanorhawkins wrote: »@eleanorhawkins Glad you're seeing a doctor.
You may also be just freaking out like I do pretty much all the time over niggles.
I think it was @MobyCarp who said:
"Endurance athletes only have two modes of dealing with injury: denial, and hypochondria."
@Orphia LOL oh yes that's most definitely me.... I'm ranging from "it doesn't hurt as much now, I'll be running again by Tueday" to "omg I'm never going to be able to run again so I'm never going to be able to eat again so someone might just as well shoot me now". And to think I have trouble not laughing at my daughter, who really is a hypochondriac (when she caught headlice she was convinced one would get inside her and kill her, and told me I wasn't taking a "serious and possible life-threatening medical condition" seriously enough.)
There are no appointments free with my GP until the 26th, and as I said before I'm pretty sure he would just go "rest, ice, ibuprofen and stop thinking you're a spring chicken" cause well, you know, at almost 41 I should be knitting and baking.Of course.
So the plan is to continue putting it up and icing whenever possible and stick to walking. Once it no longer hurts to walk on I will (and I have made myself swear to this!) attempt to run on the treadmill, meaning if it hurts at all I will stop IMMEDIATELY and get off (rather than want to finish that mile or whatever cause I'm far from home and then needing to walk home anyway). If the problem continues then I guess I'll be asking Santa to pay for me to see a Physio.
@eleanorhawkins
To be a bit more nuanced than my sound bite: I have become a big fan of admitting I'm injured early. I've been where you are, been in denial, and run through it. I've been where you are, gone hypochondriac, rested, and sought medical advice from a doctor who specializes in treating runners. The second method has resulted in less couch time. It also gives me an unbiased outside opinion on how much rest is needed; this helps control my mental second guessing. Doctors who do not run or specialize in treating runners have been less helpful in determining how/how much I should back off.
I have to disagree with @PastorVincent about avoiding ice and ibuprofen in general. Sometimes, the appropriate treatment *is* ice and anit-inflammatories; the trick is telling when this is helpful and when it's counter-productive. Anti-inflammatories are counter-productive for stress fractures. They can be helpful for soft tissue injuries. I don't know all the ins and outs, so I tend to rely on a medical professional's advice on that score.
Same thing with ice. It's good therapy some of the time for some things, but it's not a universal cure-all.
And I very much endorse the idea that if you're taking naproxen or ibuprofen, you shouldn't be running. It can be helpful to control inflammation; it's counter-productive to mask pain when you run.
Disclaimer: I am not a doctor, nor do I play on on TV. My advice is not a good substitute for medical consultation focused on your specific situation. Void where prohibited by law.8 -
No run for me today. I did this instead.
Tomorrow we'll be driving home. Not sure if I'll get a chance to run or not. But this weekend was worth it. I am so proud to have both of my kids graduated from college.
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