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Fat Shaming Plates or Political Correctness Run Amok?

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  • PhirrgusPhirrgus Posts: 1,904Member Member Posts: 1,904Member Member
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    aokoye wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    There are many great evils in the world; this ain't one of them.

    That being said, they (Macy's or whomever it was) should be allowed to sell them if they like.
    'Bad Taste' should also be protected speech.
    I'm not sure how this would be related to protected speech (in the US). The US government isn't saying, "you can't say this", rather Macy's pulled the item(s). I also highly doubt that the plates would fall under hate speech (which is protected in the First Amendment regardless).

    Yeah, that's true. After I typed the post, I thought: This probably doesn't fall under Government protected free speech. ( I just got busy and didn't take the time to edit the post.)

    As a liberal, I suppose that I am just a little paranoid about our liberties being eroded from any angle.
    To be fair, you wouldn't think wbc's shenanigans ought to fall under protected speech either, but the courts ruled they do. :#
  • MotorsheenMotorsheen Posts: 15,215Member Member Posts: 15,215Member Member
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    aokoye wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    There are many great evils in the world; this ain't one of them.

    That being said, they (Macy's or whomever it was) should be allowed to sell them if they like.
    'Bad Taste' should also be protected speech.
    I'm not sure how this would be related to protected speech (in the US). The US government isn't saying, "you can't say this", rather Macy's pulled the item(s). I also highly doubt that the plates would fall under hate speech (which is protected in the First Amendment regardless).

    Yeah, that's true. After I typed the post, I thought: This probably doesn't fall under Government protected free speech. ( I just got busy and didn't take the time to edit the post.)

    As a liberal, I suppose that I am just a little paranoid about our liberties being eroded from any angle.
    To be fair, you wouldn't think wbc's shenanigans ought to fall under protected speech either, but the courts ruled they do. :#

    @Phirrgus

    I loathe WBC, Loathe.

    However, as vile as it is, it should be protected.

    .... slippery slopes
  • PhirrgusPhirrgus Posts: 1,904Member Member Posts: 1,904Member Member
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    aokoye wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    There are many great evils in the world; this ain't one of them.

    That being said, they (Macy's or whomever it was) should be allowed to sell them if they like.
    'Bad Taste' should also be protected speech.
    I'm not sure how this would be related to protected speech (in the US). The US government isn't saying, "you can't say this", rather Macy's pulled the item(s). I also highly doubt that the plates would fall under hate speech (which is protected in the First Amendment regardless).

    Yeah, that's true. After I typed the post, I thought: This probably doesn't fall under Government protected free speech. ( I just got busy and didn't take the time to edit the post.)

    As a liberal, I suppose that I am just a little paranoid about our liberties being eroded from any angle.
    To be fair, you wouldn't think wbc's shenanigans ought to fall under protected speech either, but the courts ruled they do. :#

    @Phirrgus

    I loathe WBC, Loathe.

    However, as vile as it is, it should be protected.

    .... slippery slopes

    @Motorsheen oh man I can't even begin to tell you just what I think of them, can't even lol. Suffice to say we're in mucho agreement.

    My point was that, it seems moving forward from approximately that point in time I believe we will see the lines blurred further on what is, or is not considered free speech, up to and including what should probably inconsequential events such as this.

    Just my $0.02 is all.
  • MotorsheenMotorsheen Posts: 15,215Member Member Posts: 15,215Member Member
    MikePTY wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    aokoye wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    There are many great evils in the world; this ain't one of them.

    That being said, they (Macy's or whomever it was) should be allowed to sell them if they like.
    'Bad Taste' should also be protected speech.
    I'm not sure how this would be related to protected speech (in the US). The US government isn't saying, "you can't say this", rather Macy's pulled the item(s). I also highly doubt that the plates would fall under hate speech (which is protected in the First Amendment regardless).

    Yeah, that's true. After I typed the post, I thought: This probably doesn't fall under Government protected free speech. ( I just got busy and didn't take the time to edit the post.)

    As a liberal, I suppose that I am just a little paranoid about our liberties being eroded from any angle.

    The thing about free speech is that it applies to all parties. That means while it applies to Macy's ability to sell this plate, it also applies to people's right to complain to them about the plate. Free speech doesn't guarantee this plate a right that Macy's had to sell it, and they ultimately have the right to decide whether or not they want to continue selling it. They probably looked at this plate and decided pretty quickly that it wasn't exactly a on fire selling item that was worth dealing with any backlash.

    @MikePTY

    That's exactly right. Thankfully so.

    I have no idea about about Macy's exact motivations, but your thoughts make complete sense.
  • MotorsheenMotorsheen Posts: 15,215Member Member Posts: 15,215Member Member
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    aokoye wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    There are many great evils in the world; this ain't one of them.

    That being said, they (Macy's or whomever it was) should be allowed to sell them if they like.
    'Bad Taste' should also be protected speech.
    I'm not sure how this would be related to protected speech (in the US). The US government isn't saying, "you can't say this", rather Macy's pulled the item(s). I also highly doubt that the plates would fall under hate speech (which is protected in the First Amendment regardless).

    Yeah, that's true. After I typed the post, I thought: This probably doesn't fall under Government protected free speech. ( I just got busy and didn't take the time to edit the post.)

    As a liberal, I suppose that I am just a little paranoid about our liberties being eroded from any angle.
    To be fair, you wouldn't think wbc's shenanigans ought to fall under protected speech either, but the courts ruled they do. :#

    @Phirrgus

    I loathe WBC, Loathe.

    However, as vile as it is, it should be protected.

    .... slippery slopes

    @Motorsheen oh man I can't even begin to tell you just what I think of them, can't even lol. Suffice to say we're in mucho agreement.

    My point was that, it seems moving forward from approximately that point in time I believe we will see the lines blurred further on what is, or is not considered free speech, up to and including what should probably inconsequential events such as this.

    Just my $0.02 is all.

    WBC is fringe with motivations that evidently go beyond political.

    There will always be fringe groups on every side of the spectrum.

    imho - they are evil & evil doesn't always hide in the shadows. Let them be seen and heard for what they are.

  • bmeadows380bmeadows380 Posts: 1,266Member Member Posts: 1,266Member Member
    Motorsheen wrote: »

    @Phirrgus

    I loathe WBC, Loathe.

    However, as vile as it is, it should be protected.

    .... slippery slopes


    Might I ask what is WBC?
  • DarkTwainDarkTwain Posts: 93Member Member Posts: 93Member Member
    Distasteful, yes. But I dont necessarily hate the premise. Most people, myself included, underestimate portion sizes
  • jjpptt2jjpptt2 Posts: 4,750Member Member Posts: 4,750Member Member
    never mind... I think I misinterpreted.

    Carry on...
    edited July 24
  • aokoyeaokoye Posts: 3,090Member Member Posts: 3,090Member Member
    Motorsheen wrote: »

    @Phirrgus

    I loathe WBC, Loathe.

    However, as vile as it is, it should be protected.

    .... slippery slopes


    Might I ask what is WBC?

    Westboro Baptist Church. They are essentially a large extended family living in Topeka, Kansas that, among other things, pickets the funerals of LGBTQ people, pickets the funerals of military veterans (who may or may not be LGBTQ), blamed 9/11 on gay people (through some interesting mental gymnastics), etc. There's more information about them on the Southern Poverty Law Center's website here.

    They're also a very good example of how far one can push freedom of speech laws. The ACLU has written about them in relation to this a number of times, including in this blog post.
  • bmeadows380bmeadows380 Posts: 1,266Member Member Posts: 1,266Member Member
    aokoye wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »

    @Phirrgus

    I loathe WBC, Loathe.

    However, as vile as it is, it should be protected.

    .... slippery slopes


    Might I ask what is WBC?

    Westboro Baptist Church. They are essentially a large extended family living in Topeka, Kansas that, among other things, pickets the funerals of LGBTQ people, pickets the funerals of military veterans (who may or may not be LGBTQ), blamed 9/11 on gay people (through some interesting mental gymnastics), etc. There's more information about them on the Southern Poverty Law Center's website here.

    They're also a very good example of how far one can push freedom of speech laws. The ACLU has written about them in relation to this a number of times, including in this blog post.

    Ah, I have heard of them. Gives Baptists a really bad name - especially cringeworthy for me because I"m a Baptist and they ain't even in the same city let alone the same ballpark in what Baptists in general believe!
  • aokoyeaokoye Posts: 3,090Member Member Posts: 3,090Member Member
    aokoye wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »

    @Phirrgus

    I loathe WBC, Loathe.

    However, as vile as it is, it should be protected.

    .... slippery slopes


    Might I ask what is WBC?

    Westboro Baptist Church. They are essentially a large extended family living in Topeka, Kansas that, among other things, pickets the funerals of LGBTQ people, pickets the funerals of military veterans (who may or may not be LGBTQ), blamed 9/11 on gay people (through some interesting mental gymnastics), etc. There's more information about them on the Southern Poverty Law Center's website here.

    They're also a very good example of how far one can push freedom of speech laws. The ACLU has written about them in relation to this a number of times, including in this blog post.

    Ah, I have heard of them. Gives Baptists a really bad name - especially cringeworthy for me because I"m a Baptist and they ain't even in the same city let alone the same ballpark in what Baptists in general believe!
    Yeah - they're awful. While I'm not Christian, I've never considered them to be representative of Baptists, even when I was far less religious than I am now.
  • NorthCascadesNorthCascades Posts: 9,356Member Member Posts: 9,356Member Member
    Boba_14626 wrote: »
    Here's a novel idea: If you don't like something, don't buy it, don't listen to it, don't watch it.

    And: if other people are offended by something, don't let that bother you.
  • Theoldguy1Theoldguy1 Posts: 528Member Member Posts: 528Member Member
    i think i would have less issues if it were equally marketed towards men as women, but it wasn't and there is where i have issue with - its potentially exploiting a vulnerabilty that many women have about body image to make a buck (FWIW - i eat about the same amount as mom jeans but def. don't need them)

    It's part of a collection with the same design. There was another plate in the collection that had something about men in it.

    then i have less issue with it - i still like the idea of my dad bod beer mug though

    It's already out there:

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  • seltzermint555seltzermint555 Posts: 9,812Member Member Posts: 9,812Member Member
    aokoye wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »

    @Phirrgus

    I loathe WBC, Loathe.

    However, as vile as it is, it should be protected.

    .... slippery slopes


    Might I ask what is WBC?

    Westboro Baptist Church. They are essentially a large extended family living in Topeka, Kansas that, among other things, pickets the funerals of LGBTQ people, pickets the funerals of military veterans (who may or may not be LGBTQ), blamed 9/11 on gay people (through some interesting mental gymnastics), etc. There's more information about them on the Southern Poverty Law Center's website here.

    They're also a very good example of how far one can push freedom of speech laws. The ACLU has written about them in relation to this a number of times, including in this blog post.

    Ah, I have heard of them. Gives Baptists a really bad name - especially cringeworthy for me because I"m a Baptist and they ain't even in the same city let alone the same ballpark in what Baptists in general believe!

    Fortunately, I think most people realize that. I'm not Baptist, but due to geography I know many, many people who are...and while I don't agree with them on a lot of things, they are on the whole much much more accepting, kind, good folks than WBC!
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