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  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,092 Member
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    mkculs13 wrote: »
    bmeadows380 wrote: »

    WV is supposed to be doing it by packets, but I'm not sure it's going well. Parents are complaining about having to educate their children. Such as this one woman my brother overheard complaining about it, saying "that's what I send them to school for". *sigh* Supposedly, graduation and prom has been postponed to July. Personally, I kind of hope they decide to start the school year early this year, so the kids can catch up - instead of mid August, restart in mid-July or even right after the 4th. I doubt it, though.

    As a teacher, I also believe that formal education should happen at school and/or with teachers unless one chooses to homeschool. But not everyone is able or willing to homeschool (obviously) for many, many reasons.

    I'm wondering how many parents today were taught math like it is taught now. For example,

    ? = 56 + 37
    =[50 + 6] + 37
    =[50 + 6] + [30 + 7]
    = 50 + [6 +30] + 7
    = 50 + [30 + 6] + 7
    = [50 + 30] + [6 + 7]
    = 80 + 13
    = 80+ [10 + 3]
    = [80 + 10] + 3
    = 90 + 3
    = 93

    I recall that the way I learned some content was very different than the way my parents learned it, and the way my kids learn it is different than the way I learned it.

    It's fine if you are helping your kid with homework all along and you are seeing how they are being taught. But what happens if your child has done just fine on their own and didn't need help, and suddenly in 4th grade is struggling? There you are, trying to teach them to write

    56
    +37
    ______

    And you're telling them to "carry the 1."

    I would not have known about common core math at lower grades except I work with students who sometimes are at those grade levels. I had to learn quickly how to teach it the way they were already being taught. And geometry doesn't involve proofs anymore; who knew?

    Maybe I'm a lot older and many of you have been taught this way--I don't know. I just know that what is taught and how it is taught changes, and a lot of folks might struggle to figure out what the heck their child is trying to do when it is obvious to the parent how to do it their own way.

    That's really interesting. That definitely not how I learned to do it in school (1960s); I learned that "carry the one" thing.

    But the stepwise thing is much closer to how I do arithmetic in my head, and have as a practical matter for my whole adult life. (I wouldn't do every single one of the steps you show, but I definitely simplify the addends to ones that are easier to add in my head.)

    I pretty much can only do the "carry the one" method on paper, not in my head.

    Apparently other people's mileage varies. :lol:

    Yeah, I was taught the carry the one thing, and am pretty good at addition in my head, and the new thing, which I'd not seen before, seems quite intuitive to me. I'd think you should be able to learn either way and have the other make sense.

    I think that's true for people to whom math -- or arithmetic, anyway -- is intuitive in the first place. There are people for whom math does not seem to be intuitive at all. I tend to think that learning more than one way to do a problem like that would help at least some people get to a more intuitive understanding, but it's possible there are some folks for whom it will never be intuitive. Like people who don't have a good sense of direction or spatial relationships.
  • amtyrell
    amtyrell Posts: 1,447 Member
    Had to venture out, .... I had a headband/gaiter pulled over my nose and mouth, only saw a couple other people with masks.

    Had to go to Google to figure out what "gaiter" must mean to you (to me it's a seldom-heard old-fashioned word for boots/galoshes). So, leggings?

    Fyi a neck gater is a cylinder of a generally sweat wicking and stretching material that can be used as a scarf, ear cover, headband, headcover , or mask. Often called a Buff but that is also a brand name.

  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,092 Member
    amtyrell wrote: »
    Had to venture out, .... I had a headband/gaiter pulled over my nose and mouth, only saw a couple other people with masks.

    Had to go to Google to figure out what "gaiter" must mean to you (to me it's a seldom-heard old-fashioned word for boots/galoshes). So, leggings?

    Fyi a neck gater is a cylinder of a generally sweat wicking and stretching material that can be used as a scarf, ear cover, headband, headcover , or mask. Often called a Buff but that is also a brand name.

    Thank you -- I like knowing the little ways English differs between countries and regions. I know I've seen that sort of multifunctional cylinder, but I can't pull a name for them out of my brain. I don't think in my neck of the woods we'd call it a gaiter. Snood, maybe? Although that can also be a much smaller piece of fabric for holding hair in a bun.

  • bmeadows380
    bmeadows380 Posts: 2,981 Member
    edited April 2020
    Update from Italy: New cases still going down in the North, deaths still high. New cases slightly higher in the South, but numbers are nowhere near the North. Fingers crossed.

    Now there's talk about "Phase 2"---what will happen after April 13th, when things slowly start to open up. There are ideas here about testing to see who has had the virus. The reason being that those people should be able to circulate liberally. So, these people will have to have a certificate verifying that they have resistance to the virus. This will entail testing of the general public. Those who have not had the virus will be restricted until a vaccine is available. This will also help with vaccine numbers, and data in general on COV19.

    that's interesting. Have scientists settled whether or not someone who's had it once can get it again or not? The last I hear was some weeks ago, and it was still being debated.
  • rheddmobile
    rheddmobile Posts: 6,840 Member
    amtyrell wrote: »
    Had to venture out, .... I had a headband/gaiter pulled over my nose and mouth, only saw a couple other people with masks.

    Had to go to Google to figure out what "gaiter" must mean to you (to me it's a seldom-heard old-fashioned word for boots/galoshes). So, leggings?

    Fyi a neck gater is a cylinder of a generally sweat wicking and stretching material that can be used as a scarf, ear cover, headband, headcover , or mask. Often called a Buff but that is also a brand name.

    Thank you -- I like knowing the little ways English differs between countries and regions. I know I've seen that sort of multifunctional cylinder, but I can't pull a name for them out of my brain. I don't think in my neck of the woods we'd call it a gaiter. Snood, maybe? Although that can also be a much smaller piece of fabric for holding hair in a bun.
    It’s generally called a buff by runners. Buff is a brand name for a knit tube which can be worn several ways.
  • JustSomeEm
    JustSomeEm Posts: 20,267 MFP Moderator
    mkculs13 wrote: »

    I'm wondering how many parents today were taught math like it is taught now. For example,

    ? = 56 + 37
    =[50 + 6] + 37
    =[50 + 6] + [30 + 7]
    = 50 + [6 +30] + 7
    = 50 + [30 + 6] + 7
    = [50 + 30] + [6 + 7]
    = 80 + 13
    = 80+ [10 + 3]
    = [80 + 10] + 3
    = 90 + 3
    = 93

    I recall that the way I learned some content was very different than the way my parents learned it, and the way my kids learn it is different than the way I learned it.

    It's fine if you are helping your kid with homework all along and you are seeing how they are being taught. But what happens if your child has done just fine on their own and didn't need help, and suddenly in 4th grade is struggling? There you are, trying to teach them to write

    56
    +37
    ______

    And you're telling them to "carry the 1."


    OMG - as a parent who (a few years ago) tried to help my kiddo with math, and by the end of it we were both in frustrated tears, +1.
    Ruatine wrote: »
    My emotions are so on edge these days. I saw on Facebook that a childhood friend's father passed away from COVID-19. I didn't know her father, and I'm not all that close to her anymore, but I started crying when I read it. :cry: Poor lady was diagnosed with PPMS 6 months ago and now had her father die. Crappity crap crap. Between that and ridiculous work stress this week, all I want to do is drink and play video games.

    Hugs to you. I've been feeling on edge too. Extra long bike rides and a few "30-days" programs have helped.
  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    JustSomeEm wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    mkculs13 wrote: »
    bmeadows380 wrote: »

    WV is supposed to be doing it by packets, but I'm not sure it's going well. Parents are complaining about having to educate their children. Such as this one woman my brother overheard complaining about it, saying "that's what I send them to school for". *sigh* Supposedly, graduation and prom has been postponed to July. Personally, I kind of hope they decide to start the school year early this year, so the kids can catch up - instead of mid August, restart in mid-July or even right after the 4th. I doubt it, though.

    As a teacher, I also believe that formal education should happen at school and/or with teachers unless one chooses to homeschool. But not everyone is able or willing to homeschool (obviously) for many, many reasons.

    I'm wondering how many parents today were taught math like it is taught now. For example,

    ? = 56 + 37
    =[50 + 6] + 37
    =[50 + 6] + [30 + 7]
    = 50 + [6 +30] + 7
    = 50 + [30 + 6] + 7
    = [50 + 30] + [6 + 7]
    = 80 + 13
    = 80+ [10 + 3]
    = [80 + 10] + 3
    = 90 + 3
    = 93

    I recall that the way I learned some content was very different than the way my parents learned it, and the way my kids learn it is different than the way I learned it.

    It's fine if you are helping your kid with homework all along and you are seeing how they are being taught. But what happens if your child has done just fine on their own and didn't need help, and suddenly in 4th grade is struggling? There you are, trying to teach them to write

    56
    +37
    ______

    And you're telling them to "carry the 1."

    I would not have known about common core math at lower grades except I work with students who sometimes are at those grade levels. I had to learn quickly how to teach it the way they were already being taught. And geometry doesn't involve proofs anymore; who knew?

    Maybe I'm a lot older and many of you have been taught this way--I don't know. I just know that what is taught and how it is taught changes, and a lot of folks might struggle to figure out what the heck their child is trying to do when it is obvious to the parent how to do it their own way.

    That's really interesting. That definitely not how I learned to do it in school (1960s); I learned that "carry the one" thing.

    But the stepwise thing is much closer to how I do arithmetic in my head, and have as a practical matter for my whole adult life. (I wouldn't do every single one of the steps you show, but I definitely simplify the addends to ones that are easier to add in my head.)

    I pretty much can only do the "carry the one" method on paper, not in my head.

    Apparently other people's mileage varies. :lol:

    Me too. I have a friend who is a high school math teacher, and she says that as common core math was rolled out, she could tell a huge difference year to year as students were taught this more intuitive way to do math. I think most adults come to eventually do it the common core way - in spite of the appearance of longer steps, it's a mental short cut.

    So, in my head: 56+37? well, 50+30 is 80, and 6+7 is 13... so 80+13 is 93... Boom. Way easier than trying to carry the 1 without a pencil and paper.

    I still carry one in my head for any calculations that don't result in multiples of 10. For 58+52, for example, I add 8 and 2 (10) then add 50 and 50 (100) then add 10 (110). For everything else, I carry 1. My imagination of numbers is kind of visual. I "write" the equations in my head as I would on paper and "see" it.
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    mkculs13 wrote: »
    bmeadows380 wrote: »

    WV is supposed to be doing it by packets, but I'm not sure it's going well. Parents are complaining about having to educate their children. Such as this one woman my brother overheard complaining about it, saying "that's what I send them to school for". *sigh* Supposedly, graduation and prom has been postponed to July. Personally, I kind of hope they decide to start the school year early this year, so the kids can catch up - instead of mid August, restart in mid-July or even right after the 4th. I doubt it, though.

    As a teacher, I also believe that formal education should happen at school and/or with teachers unless one chooses to homeschool. But not everyone is able or willing to homeschool (obviously) for many, many reasons.

    I'm wondering how many parents today were taught math like it is taught now. For example,

    ? = 56 + 37
    =[50 + 6] + 37
    =[50 + 6] + [30 + 7]
    = 50 + [6 +30] + 7
    = 50 + [30 + 6] + 7
    = [50 + 30] + [6 + 7]
    = 80 + 13
    = 80+ [10 + 3]
    = [80 + 10] + 3
    = 90 + 3
    = 93

    I recall that the way I learned some content was very different than the way my parents learned it, and the way my kids learn it is different than the way I learned it.

    It's fine if you are helping your kid with homework all along and you are seeing how they are being taught. But what happens if your child has done just fine on their own and didn't need help, and suddenly in 4th grade is struggling? There you are, trying to teach them to write

    56
    +37
    ______

    And you're telling them to "carry the 1."

    I would not have known about common core math at lower grades except I work with students who sometimes are at those grade levels. I had to learn quickly how to teach it the way they were already being taught. And geometry doesn't involve proofs anymore; who knew?

    Maybe I'm a lot older and many of you have been taught this way--I don't know. I just know that what is taught and how it is taught changes, and a lot of folks might struggle to figure out what the heck their child is trying to do when it is obvious to the parent how to do it their own way.

    That's really interesting. That definitely not how I learned to do it in school (1960s); I learned that "carry the one" thing.

    But the stepwise thing is much closer to how I do arithmetic in my head, and have as a practical matter for my whole adult life. (I wouldn't do every single one of the steps you show, but I definitely simplify the addends to ones that are easier to add in my head.)

    I pretty much can only do the "carry the one" method on paper, not in my head.

    Apparently other people's mileage varies. :lol:

    Yeah, I was taught the carry the one thing, and am pretty good at addition in my head, and the new thing, which I'd not seen before, seems quite intuitive to me. I'd think you should be able to learn either way and have the other make sense.

    Yes, most of common core is the way I always did math in my head.
  • lkpducky
    lkpducky Posts: 17,636 Member
    The mayor of NYC now recommends covering your nose and mouth if you have to go outside.

    As has the mayor of Los Angeles
    https://patch.com/california/hollywood/all-angelenos-should-wear-masks-says-mayor-garcetti
  • bmeadows380
    bmeadows380 Posts: 2,981 Member
    well, I'll be having Easter dinner with my folks, but that's because we're quarantining together.

    It's going to be odd not to go to church on that day, though
  • Katmary71
    Katmary71 Posts: 7,078 Member
    just_Tomek wrote: »
    Easter is next week. I already did get my parents upset telling them I will not be coming over for breakfast / dinner.
    Anyone else? How many do you think are going to stay home and not visit family / friends???

    Definitely staying home, sad about it but we have to do this.
  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    just_Tomek wrote: »
    Easter is next week. I already did get my parents upset telling them I will not be coming over for breakfast / dinner.
    Anyone else? How many do you think are going to stay home and not visit family / friends???

    Easter is on April 19 for us. How we handle it depends on how things turn out by then. Most likely we're going to celebrate it alone, but who knows, things may get better by then.
  • earlnabby
    earlnabby Posts: 8,171 Member
    JustSomeEm wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    mkculs13 wrote: »
    bmeadows380 wrote: »

    WV is supposed to be doing it by packets, but I'm not sure it's going well. Parents are complaining about having to educate their children. Such as this one woman my brother overheard complaining about it, saying "that's what I send them to school for". *sigh* Supposedly, graduation and prom has been postponed to July. Personally, I kind of hope they decide to start the school year early this year, so the kids can catch up - instead of mid August, restart in mid-July or even right after the 4th. I doubt it, though.

    As a teacher, I also believe that formal education should happen at school and/or with teachers unless one chooses to homeschool. But not everyone is able or willing to homeschool (obviously) for many, many reasons.

    I'm wondering how many parents today were taught math like it is taught now. For example,

    ? = 56 + 37
    =[50 + 6] + 37
    =[50 + 6] + [30 + 7]
    = 50 + [6 +30] + 7
    = 50 + [30 + 6] + 7
    = [50 + 30] + [6 + 7]
    = 80 + 13
    = 80+ [10 + 3]
    = [80 + 10] + 3
    = 90 + 3
    = 93

    I recall that the way I learned some content was very different than the way my parents learned it, and the way my kids learn it is different than the way I learned it.

    It's fine if you are helping your kid with homework all along and you are seeing how they are being taught. But what happens if your child has done just fine on their own and didn't need help, and suddenly in 4th grade is struggling? There you are, trying to teach them to write

    56
    +37
    ______

    And you're telling them to "carry the 1."

    I would not have known about common core math at lower grades except I work with students who sometimes are at those grade levels. I had to learn quickly how to teach it the way they were already being taught. And geometry doesn't involve proofs anymore; who knew?

    Maybe I'm a lot older and many of you have been taught this way--I don't know. I just know that what is taught and how it is taught changes, and a lot of folks might struggle to figure out what the heck their child is trying to do when it is obvious to the parent how to do it their own way.

    That's really interesting. That definitely not how I learned to do it in school (1960s); I learned that "carry the one" thing.

    But the stepwise thing is much closer to how I do arithmetic in my head, and have as a practical matter for my whole adult life. (I wouldn't do every single one of the steps you show, but I definitely simplify the addends to ones that are easier to add in my head.)

    I pretty much can only do the "carry the one" method on paper, not in my head.

    Apparently other people's mileage varies. :lol:

    Me too. I have a friend who is a high school math teacher, and she says that as common core math was rolled out, she could tell a huge difference year to year as students were taught this more intuitive way to do math. I think most adults come to eventually do it the common core way - in spite of the appearance of longer steps, it's a mental short cut.

    So, in my head: 56+37? well, 50+30 is 80, and 6+7 is 13... so 80+13 is 93... Boom. Way easier than trying to carry the 1 without a pencil and paper.

    I still carry one in my head for any calculations that don't result in multiples of 10. For 58+52, for example, I add 8 and 2 (10) then add 50 and 50 (100) then add 10 (110). For everything else, I carry 1. My imagination of numbers is kind of visual. I "write" the equations in my head as I would on paper and "see" it.

    I add like a bowling scorekeeper does when I add in my head. For example: 49+47. I add 50 to 47, then subtract 1 to make 96. Longer strings of numbers get added the same way. I add the first two, then add the next to that number, then the next. If I have a written list but no pencil I will do it similar to you.
  • snowflake954
    snowflake954 Posts: 8,399 Member
    lkpducky wrote: »
    The mayor of NYC now recommends covering your nose and mouth if you have to go outside.

    As has the mayor of Los Angeles
    https://patch.com/california/hollywood/all-angelenos-should-wear-masks-says-mayor-garcetti

    Two "snorts". These geniuses have finally figured out the obvious.
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    So much doublespeak or doubletalk. Now they're telling everyone that wearing a mask protects others from 'you' but that road runs both directions. I knew on day one that masks and gloves offer protection but there's not enough to go around. I've been improvising since the dawn came to light as I've been taking care of others for years.

    @MikePfirrman Do you know if pneumonia and shingle shots offer any protection vs. having none.