Coronavirus prep
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Diatonic12 wrote: »So much doublespeak or doubletalk. Now they're telling everyone that wearing a mask protects others from 'you' but that road runs both directions. I knew on day one that masks and gloves offer protection but there's not enough to go around. I've been improvising since the dawn came to light as I've been taking care of others for years.
@MikePfirrman Do you know if pneumonia and shingle shots offer any protection vs. having none.
I'm not a scientist or a doc but I don't think that either do. I think both are a good idea, but I haven't gotten either of them. I'm a strong proponent of AHCC, a mushroom derivative supplement. I believe, if I'm not mistaken, that both Shingles and Pneumococcal stem from the HPV virus, the same one that causes certain cervical cancers. AHCC is a supplement that has been clinically proven both to boost the immune system and also eradicate HPV viruses over time. I'm certainly not antivax by any wild stretch of the imagination, but I prefer AHCC, which is also fantastic in general right now. If I were a healthcare worker, I'd be taking AHCC daily. Essentially, it helps your NK and T Cells work much more efficiently and actively.2 -
@MikePfirrman Thanks much. I just talked with a neighbor. He's only 37 with COPD due to working in building construction all of his life. He's been waiting a year for a lung specialist in Denver but they cancelled his appointment. The specialist is concerned for his life treating covid patients. All of our misplaced hero worship has come down. First responders and medical personnel, health care providers go to the top of the heap. They're the true heroes and where would we be without them.6
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Someone in the region was ticketed yesterday ($225) for breaking the Stay at Home order. She was just driving around, supposedly, and was stopped by a cop. If she had been smarter, she would have said she was going out for a hike, but she told him she was bored and just driving to get out of the house. I wonder if that will become common or if she just was used to set an example?
Our store shelves are still remarkably empty, at least in the afternoon. No frozen vegetables, no TP or hand sanitizer, etc. They did still have their sale items on sale as usual.2 -
My mom floated that idea that if it was nice weather on Easter they could divide the deck into 6 ft square sections and we could all have an early dinner together. I put the kibosh on that. They need to tell the boys that the Easter bunny is social distancing and will pick a day in the summer when this has (hopefully) passed.
My understanding is there are 3 separate areas of research going on, and all 3 could possibly be used to chip away at covid-19, and in what I've gotten the impression is the order when they would realistically be available:- An antibodies test, to determine who has had it and is (hopefully) immune going forward.
- An antiviral (like Tamiflu for the flu) that could be administered to limit the duration and severity of the illness.
- A vaccine to prevent.
I thought this was an interesting article on the face mask confusion
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2020/04/01/should-everyone-wear-a-mask-in-public-maybe-but-its-complicated/?fbclid=IwAR0ZwcAFs3WS_0e0cnLO-OczcxRX_W33CSgjcr0tfNH5tEFrp1815Pm4i9k#79711025a02f
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bmeadows380 wrote: »@MikePfirrman I just read an article on the AP about how this is devastating the US auto market, and that the Q2 projections are going to be worse than back when they filed for bankruptcy. And I know that's just the tip of the iceberg. I work in the electrical power industry, and its affecting us too. While residential load has picked up, industrial load has dropped off significantly, which is a large part of revenues for the companies. How far can we realistically take the shutdown? My best friend is right in that the shutdown is harming people as well, so where's the balance point between loss of life due to the virus and loss of life due to economic devastation?
I'm very glad I'm not in a position to have to be making that sort of decision!
The last I heard, there was fear that a person who had been infected with COVI-19 could catch it again, though it would be milder the next time around. I think they suspected this might have happened in China, though the last I heard, they weren't sure if it was truly a re-infection or a case of the man not being completely over it before being discharged. But if its true that you can catch it again but not be as symptomatic as before, wouldn't that actually heightened the problem - I've already seen that a number of people are spreading the virus without showing symptoms as it is now.
I don't think the reality has set in for people yet that this disruption of normal life and new way of living is going to be long term in the course of months. I think most people are still thinking this is only going to last a few weeks and that everything will be back to normal by mid-May. It's rather mind-boggling to think of it lasting into September, October, Christmas.
I work in accounting for a manufacturer in the automotive industry. While I won't go into specifics, obviously, I will say what everyone sees as obvious: This economic situation will be bad for our industry in particular. When you are uncertain about the economic future, do you buy a new car? Of course not... and super low interest rates don't change that.
ETA: The more immediate concern is to prevent deaths today from Covid-19, and then tomorrow from homelessness, starvation, lack of medical care, etc. caused by economic losses. This is a situation that is going to require far more than $1,200 USD per adult.8 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »Someone in the region was ticketed yesterday ($225) for breaking the Stay at Home order. She was just driving around, supposedly, and was stopped by a cop. If she had been smarter, she would have said she was going out for a hike, but she told him she was bored and just driving to get out of the house. I wonder if that will become common or if she just was used to set an example?
Really?!! I would think that a Sunday drive just to cruise around a little, if you don't leave your car at all, should be safer than going on a walk where you share the sidewalk or trail with other people.
For that matter, she should have just said she was going after groceries or something.T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I work in accounting for a manufacturer in the automotive industry. While I won't go into specifics, obviously, I will say what everyone sees as obvious: This economic situation will be bad for our industry in particular. When you are uncertain about the economic future, do you buy a new car? Of course not... and super low interest rates don't change that.
Especially if you or your partner have been laid off. And it trickles down from there - the dealers themselves and the salesmen lose commissions, factories get scaled way back, and so on.T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »ETA: The more immediate concern is to prevent deaths today from Covid-19, and then tomorrow from homelessness, starvation, lack of medical care, etc. caused by economic losses. This is a situation that is going to require far more than $1,200 USD per adult.
That's my best friend's concern. The repercussions are going to be felt for years on this. The difference between me and my friend is that I think it is completely unavoidable, and since there's going to be severe economic consequences either way you go, pick a path that results in the most lives saved as you can.6 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »Someone in the region was ticketed yesterday ($225) for breaking the Stay at Home order. She was just driving around, supposedly, and was stopped by a cop. If she had been smarter, she would have said she was going out for a hike, but she told him she was bored and just driving to get out of the house. I wonder if that will become common or if she just was used to set an example?
Really?!! I would think that a Sunday drive just to cruise around a little, if you don't leave your car at all, should be safer than going on a walk where you share the sidewalk or trail with other people.
For that matter, she should have just said she was going after groceries or something.
Using cars is not allowed here. Here's the reason: when you restrict how far people can travel you restrict how far infection can travel. Identifying hot spots helps with tracking down the source and concentrating the testing where it's most needed.6 -
It may not be just a question of being able to afford food. I keep my diet pretty restrictive to help manage BG. It has been more and more difficult to find the food that I eat. I had been switching to just beef because I had the most success with that. Last time I went shopping, there was no beef, so I got some eggs, turkey, and cheese. Next time, there may be no animal products at all.
A couple months ago, I transitioned my cat from canned to dry food. It worked faster than planned and I still have some canned food yet. I had been putting out a can for him every once in awhile, but have decided to stop doing that and will keep the canned food in case I run out completely. It is turkey and very low carb because no gravy. I had switched to this food back when I had a diabetic cat, but he died in Oct. 2018 and I just recently decided to switch my remaining cat back to dry for cost and convenience reasons.3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »It may not be just a question of being able to afford food. I keep my diet pretty restrictive to help manage BG. It has been more and more difficult to find the food that I eat. I had been switching to just beef because I had the most success with that. Last time I went shopping, there was no beef, so I got some eggs, turkey, and cheese. Next time, there may be no animal products at all.
A couple months ago, I transitioned my cat from canned to dry food. It worked faster than planned and I still have some canned food yet. I had been putting out a can for him every once in awhile, but have decided to stop doing that and will keep the canned food in case I run out completely. It is turkey and very low carb because no gravy. I had switched to this food back when I had a diabetic cat, but he died in Oct. 2018 and I just recently decided to switch my remaining cat back to dry for cost and convenience reasons.
Wait... you're gonna stock cat food to eat yourself? :noway:3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »It may not be just a question of being able to afford food. I keep my diet pretty restrictive to help manage BG. It has been more and more difficult to find the food that I eat. I had been switching to just beef because I had the most success with that. Last time I went shopping, there was no beef, so I got some eggs, turkey, and cheese. Next time, there may be no animal products at all.
A couple months ago, I transitioned my cat from canned to dry food. It worked faster than planned and I still have some canned food yet. I had been putting out a can for him every once in awhile, but have decided to stop doing that and will keep the canned food in case I run out completely. It is turkey and very low carb because no gravy. I had switched to this food back when I had a diabetic cat, but he died in Oct. 2018 and I just recently decided to switch my remaining cat back to dry for cost and convenience reasons.
Where do you live that you can't find meat?1 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »It may not be just a question of being able to afford food. I keep my diet pretty restrictive to help manage BG. It has been more and more difficult to find the food that I eat. I had been switching to just beef because I had the most success with that. Last time I went shopping, there was no beef, so I got some eggs, turkey, and cheese. Next time, there may be no animal products at all.
A couple months ago, I transitioned my cat from canned to dry food. It worked faster than planned and I still have some canned food yet. I had been putting out a can for him every once in awhile, but have decided to stop doing that and will keep the canned food in case I run out completely. It is turkey and very low carb because no gravy. I had switched to this food back when I had a diabetic cat, but he died in Oct. 2018 and I just recently decided to switch my remaining cat back to dry for cost and convenience reasons.
Wait... you're gonna stock cat food to eat yourself? :noway:
No, I already have the cat food. Just going to keep feeding the cat dry food and hold back the wet canned food in case.cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »It may not be just a question of being able to afford food. I keep my diet pretty restrictive to help manage BG. It has been more and more difficult to find the food that I eat. I had been switching to just beef because I had the most success with that. Last time I went shopping, there was no beef, so I got some eggs, turkey, and cheese. Next time, there may be no animal products at all.
A couple months ago, I transitioned my cat from canned to dry food. It worked faster than planned and I still have some canned food yet. I had been putting out a can for him every once in awhile, but have decided to stop doing that and will keep the canned food in case I run out completely. It is turkey and very low carb because no gravy. I had switched to this food back when I had a diabetic cat, but he died in Oct. 2018 and I just recently decided to switch my remaining cat back to dry for cost and convenience reasons.
Where do you live that you can't find meat?
This was last Sat. in Dyersburg, TN. They had some meat, but almost no beef except for the roast beef lunchmeat. They had 4 dozen eggs (all medium), of which I bought 2. And I got some turkey lunchmeat as well as a block of cheese. I had started switching to beef at the beginning of 2020, and got to 90% beef by Feb... was 100% by Mar. until that happened. Hadn't eaten cheese at all this year until that.
ETA: The roast beef lunchmeat, I was able to get 2 pack, I think 7 oz. each. That was the last of their beef.0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »
I can't give you cites because my source was listening to NPR and BBC on radio, but I believe there's a new study out in just the last few days showing potentially-infecting particles from coughs/sneezes traveling much farther than previously thought (like twice as far), plus some fairly new information about the nature of virus shedding by people who are still asymptomatic.
You are referring to this, I believe https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763852?appId=scweb
and this https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/31/824155179/cdc-director-on-models-for-the-months-to-come-this-virus-is-going-to-be-with-us
Thank you. The JAMA paper sounds like it may be what I heard mentioned in passing, and while I don't think I heard the Redfield interview or a focused news item about it, that's consistent with what I did hear in the reports.
Normally, if I hear something on NPR/BBC/other audio source, I can find the story in a text or audio snip on their web sites, and would include it in a post. In this case, I hadn't zeroed in on the radio items for follow up when it occurred, had the radio on all day, had no idea what service/program mentioned it. Appreciate you being a better researcher! :flowerforyou:
Shifting gears:
Throughout all of this rapidly evolving public-policy response, I'm aware that we (including me) sometimes aren't able to acknowledge in our guts that scientists and public officials are human beings, who, like us, can be confused, communicate poorly, change their minds (and should, BTW), and generally make mistakes. Keeping that in mind is especially difficult in a context where some officials clearly are negligent, willfully ill-informed or self-dealing actors. (I won't go further than the generality, avoiding the politics prohibition here - and my intent is not partisan anyway, as IMO all large-scale groups include a segment of idiots and scoundrels.)
Of course, their mistakes are high-stakes and incredibly costly (in lives!) at a time like this. They've taken on the job (like doctors, or police, or others whose jobs routinely involve life and death matters), so we can hold them to high standards, but holding them to inhumanly high standards is just unrealistic. (Not saying we can't or shouldn't hold them accountable for even well-intended actions that turn out to have disastrous consequences. We can, and should. With some compassion, IMO. Any decent human who makes a deadly error, and realizes it, has a burden of conscience, as well, possibly life-long.)
Just my dumb opinions, as usual.
Thinking about what I've written on this subject, I hope I didn't come across as though I thought that those behind the messaging on masks were evil or even completely in the wrong. Sadly, I think that to the extent that they were trying to avoid hoarding of medical masks by the general public, they were probably right that there are too many people who would try to do so if given a message of "we need to save medical masks for health care professionals on the front lines, but the rest of you should cover your mouth and nose in public with whatever non-medical or makeshift mask you can find."
Edited to try to fix the quote nesting. I'm seeing so much more of this problem lately that I'm wondering if it's an MFP glitch.
To me, no, you didn't come across that way.
Part of the reason I wrote what you just quoted (and frankly stupidly did so in a part of the thread where it didn't logically tie up ideally), was that I thought I'd not been clear. My basic point (in my post that I think started this subthread) was that I'm seeing a few people (mostly in my FB feed) quickly leaping to conspiracy theories and/or outrage over the shifts in mask recommendations. "Why didn't they tell us that before? Were they trying to kill us?" (<== cartoon level representation).
I don't think that's reasonable. Personally, I think the situation should be interpreted mainly as human beings, who happen to be officials, trying to make sense of a mountain of information that keeps growing and changing. Some people I know bizarrely seem to think that pretty much all officials know everything all at once at the start (including a bunch of secret stuff), and manipulate it cynically (or at least officials from "those other parties" do). That's bizarre thinking, to me. (JMO) Officials are regular humans no different from us, mostly.
I don't want to try to imagine what you're thinking behind the limited interpretation I can make from what you do write, but do have the impression that you may feel that the impulse to avoid a public run on masks loomed larger, in officials' initial thinking, than I do.
I think that I'm giving relatively more weight to the officials being humans trying to sort out a lot of conflicting advice, in a context where most politicians/deciders are not subject-matter specialists; and I'm thinking that there was initial belief that (near-)universal mask wearing by the general public was not going to have a major helpful effect, and had some potential negatives (such as a run on supply more urgently needed elsewhere).
Recently, more information seems to be coming out (various ways: studies, clear expert consensus emerging from what was previously a less-clear diversity of expert statements, etc.), and shifting the apparent weight of masks' importance. That's just my inexpert impression, nothing more.
If this perception about your/my opinions is even true, I don't particularly want to chase it down between us to the Nth degree. I respect your intelligence and opinions over a long period of posts here. I don't consider the opinion I've perhaps mistakenly attributed to you to be an irrational one. I haven't seen you say anything that's (IMO) irrational about this topic. Some of your posts have seemed to me to be asking me to defend my opinon, focusing on a sub-part of my (intended, maybe unclear) thesis, so I've responded.
I'm not an expert on what the experts (such as researchers) are saying. I wasn't trying to pile up a mountain of evidence (specific studies and their timing) to support the the idea that calm, rational people could/couldn't have or should/shouldn't have made a "general public should wear masks" recommendation earlier, or not. The people acting haven't had the luxury of calm rationality: I think most are thinking on their feet as best they can, under tremendous stress, with such expert advice (from many quarters, needing to balance many competing factors of various weights) as they can find.
Thank you for fixing the quote nesting. I'm the one who broke it, and didn't notice until too late to edit. I don't know how it happened, but assume it was my typo, since I haven't had that problem with any frequency.1 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »It may not be just a question of being able to afford food. I keep my diet pretty restrictive to help manage BG. It has been more and more difficult to find the food that I eat. I had been switching to just beef because I had the most success with that. Last time I went shopping, there was no beef, so I got some eggs, turkey, and cheese. Next time, there may be no animal products at all.
A couple months ago, I transitioned my cat from canned to dry food. It worked faster than planned and I still have some canned food yet. I had been putting out a can for him every once in awhile, but have decided to stop doing that and will keep the canned food in case I run out completely. It is turkey and very low carb because no gravy. I had switched to this food back when I had a diabetic cat, but he died in Oct. 2018 and I just recently decided to switch my remaining cat back to dry for cost and convenience reasons.
Wait... you're gonna stock cat food to eat yourself? :noway:
No, I already have the cat food. Just going to keep feeding the cat dry food and hold back the wet canned food in case.cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »It may not be just a question of being able to afford food. I keep my diet pretty restrictive to help manage BG. It has been more and more difficult to find the food that I eat. I had been switching to just beef because I had the most success with that. Last time I went shopping, there was no beef, so I got some eggs, turkey, and cheese. Next time, there may be no animal products at all.
A couple months ago, I transitioned my cat from canned to dry food. It worked faster than planned and I still have some canned food yet. I had been putting out a can for him every once in awhile, but have decided to stop doing that and will keep the canned food in case I run out completely. It is turkey and very low carb because no gravy. I had switched to this food back when I had a diabetic cat, but he died in Oct. 2018 and I just recently decided to switch my remaining cat back to dry for cost and convenience reasons.
Where do you live that you can't find meat?
This was last Sat. in Dyersburg, TN. They had some meat, but almost no beef except for the roast beef lunchmeat. They had 4 dozen eggs (all medium), of which I bought 2. And I got some turkey lunchmeat as well as a block of cheese. I had started switching to beef at the beginning of 2020, and got to 90% beef by Feb... was 100% by Mar. until that happened. Hadn't eaten cheese at all this year until that.
ETA: The roast beef lunchmeat, I was able to get 2 pack, I think 7 oz. each. That was the last of their beef.
Okay, so you found what you needed. Just not what you wanted.
I believe (based on nothing at all) that the stores are stocking all day, but not a full shelf at all times, to dissuade the panic-buy-55-cases of meat shoppers. There is enough supply, but not if everyone fills three refrigerators all at one time. These kind of posts that, "There was no mea!!!" just fuels the fear
You got what you needed.5 -
just_Tomek wrote: »Easter is next week. I already did get my parents upset telling them I will not be coming over for breakfast / dinner.
Anyone else? How many do you think are going to stay home and not visit family / friends???
Sample-of-one-ville, here.
I usually go to my SIL's. My 80-year-old, tough-as-nails (and proud of it), Fox-News-centric SIL says Easter Dinner is off. (I wouldn't have gone if it were on, BTW.)
Gives me hope that Easter behavior around here might not be as bad as I'd fear. We'll see.8 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Had to venture out, .... I had a headband/gaiter pulled over my nose and mouth, only saw a couple other people with masks.
Had to go to Google to figure out what "gaiter" must mean to you (to me it's a seldom-heard old-fashioned word for boots/galoshes). So, leggings?
Fyi a neck gater is a cylinder of a generally sweat wicking and stretching material that can be used as a scarf, ear cover, headband, headcover , or mask. Often called a Buff but that is also a brand name.
Thank you -- I like knowing the little ways English differs between countries and regions. I know I've seen that sort of multifunctional cylinder, but I can't pull a name for them out of my brain. I don't think in my neck of the woods we'd call it a gaiter. Snood, maybe? Although that can also be a much smaller piece of fabric for holding hair in a bun.
I think it might be a new-ish use-by-analogy. Gaiters are (essentially) cylindrical tubes that go over one's lower leg. Neck gaiters are a cylindrical tube that goes over ones head/neck.5 -
cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »It may not be just a question of being able to afford food. I keep my diet pretty restrictive to help manage BG. It has been more and more difficult to find the food that I eat. I had been switching to just beef because I had the most success with that. Last time I went shopping, there was no beef, so I got some eggs, turkey, and cheese. Next time, there may be no animal products at all.
A couple months ago, I transitioned my cat from canned to dry food. It worked faster than planned and I still have some canned food yet. I had been putting out a can for him every once in awhile, but have decided to stop doing that and will keep the canned food in case I run out completely. It is turkey and very low carb because no gravy. I had switched to this food back when I had a diabetic cat, but he died in Oct. 2018 and I just recently decided to switch my remaining cat back to dry for cost and convenience reasons.
Wait... you're gonna stock cat food to eat yourself? :noway:
No, I already have the cat food. Just going to keep feeding the cat dry food and hold back the wet canned food in case.cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »It may not be just a question of being able to afford food. I keep my diet pretty restrictive to help manage BG. It has been more and more difficult to find the food that I eat. I had been switching to just beef because I had the most success with that. Last time I went shopping, there was no beef, so I got some eggs, turkey, and cheese. Next time, there may be no animal products at all.
A couple months ago, I transitioned my cat from canned to dry food. It worked faster than planned and I still have some canned food yet. I had been putting out a can for him every once in awhile, but have decided to stop doing that and will keep the canned food in case I run out completely. It is turkey and very low carb because no gravy. I had switched to this food back when I had a diabetic cat, but he died in Oct. 2018 and I just recently decided to switch my remaining cat back to dry for cost and convenience reasons.
Where do you live that you can't find meat?
This was last Sat. in Dyersburg, TN. They had some meat, but almost no beef except for the roast beef lunchmeat. They had 4 dozen eggs (all medium), of which I bought 2. And I got some turkey lunchmeat as well as a block of cheese. I had started switching to beef at the beginning of 2020, and got to 90% beef by Feb... was 100% by Mar. until that happened. Hadn't eaten cheese at all this year until that.
ETA: The roast beef lunchmeat, I was able to get 2 pack, I think 7 oz. each. That was the last of their beef.
Okay, so you found what you needed. Just not what you wanted.
I believe (based on nothing at all) that the stores are stocking all day, but not a full shelf at all times, to dissuade the panic-buy-55-cases of meat shoppers. There is enough supply, but not if everyone fills three refrigerators all at one time. These kind of posts that, "There was no mea!!!" just fuels the fear
You got what you needed.
I said there was no beef and explained that I had to change my diet (from beef only) to the animal products that were available. I'm sorry if you thought I was saying there was no meat. There was very little, but not zero. There was zero unprocessed beef, however. So I got the little bit of processed beef that remained, as well as some other animal-based foods. I'm fearful that when I go this weekend, there will be no animals at all based on the limited supply I saw last weekend, including zero beef (which is why I had to change my diet). I also pointed out that I will eat canned cat food before I eat heavy carb plants... and if that is all that remains available is rice or other carbs, then I have some cat food kept at the ready in case. I hope that is more clear.5 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Diatonic12 wrote: »So much doublespeak or doubletalk. Now they're telling everyone that wearing a mask protects others from 'you' but that road runs both directions. I knew on day one that masks and gloves offer protection but there's not enough to go around. I've been improvising since the dawn came to light as I've been taking care of others for years.
@MikePfirrman Do you know if pneumonia and shingle shots offer any protection vs. having none.
I'm not a scientist or a doc but I don't think that either do. I think both are a good idea, but I haven't gotten either of them. I'm a strong proponent of AHCC, a mushroom derivative supplement. I believe, if I'm not mistaken, that both Shingles and Pneumococcal stem from the HPV virus, the same one that causes certain cervical cancers. AHCC is a supplement that has been clinically proven both to boost the immune system and also eradicate HPV viruses over time. I'm certainly not antivax by any wild stretch of the imagination, but I prefer AHCC, which is also fantastic in general right now. If I were a healthcare worker, I'd be taking AHCC daily. Essentially, it helps your NK and T Cells work much more efficiently and actively.
No comment on prophylactic supplements, but about the bolded:
There are multiple HPVs (Human PapillomaVirus): Dozens, probably over 100. It's a family of viruses, similarly to the way Coronaviruses are a family. There are multiple STDs (sexually transmitted diseases) that are HPVs (about 40). Some of those cause genital warts. Some of those cause cervical cancer. Some HPVs can cause lung infections.
Each type, as a generality, causes distinct diseases, or clusters of diseases, but all the HPVs are not one thing, just as some types of the common cold are Coronaviruses, but are not the same thing as the novel Coronavirus that causes COVID-19.
Chicken pox and shingles are Varicella zoster, not an HPV. IMU, it's a herpes virus (also a larger family, which includes some STDs, but the STDs are not Chicken Pox or Shingles).
I know this is off-topic to the thread, for which I apologize, but there's so much dysfunctional information circulating in the world about HPVs (and the HPV vaccination), and Varicella (and the Shingles vaccination), that I didn't want to let this unclarity pass without comment.15 -
just_Tomek wrote: »Easter is next week. I already did get my parents upset telling them I will not be coming over for breakfast / dinner.
Anyone else? How many do you think are going to stay home and not visit family / friends???
Yep, our regular large family get together for lunch is off. We've been having this for as long as I can remember,.. sad to miss out this year, but we do what we gotta do😔5 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »ShinyFuture wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »
WV is supposed to be doing it by packets, but I'm not sure it's going well. Parents are complaining about having to educate their children. Such as this one woman my brother overheard complaining about it, saying "that's what I send them to school for". *sigh* Supposedly, graduation and prom has been postponed to July. Personally, I kind of hope they decide to start the school year early this year, so the kids can catch up - instead of mid August, restart in mid-July or even right after the 4th. I doubt it, though.
As a teacher, I also believe that formal education should happen at school and/or with teachers unless one chooses to homeschool. But not everyone is able or willing to homeschool (obviously) for many, many reasons.
I'm wondering how many parents today were taught math like it is taught now. For example,
? = 56 + 37
=[50 + 6] + 37
=[50 + 6] + [30 + 7]
= 50 + [6 +30] + 7
= 50 + [30 + 6] + 7
= [50 + 30] + [6 + 7]
= 80 + 13
= 80+ [10 + 3]
= [80 + 10] + 3
= 90 + 3
= 93
I recall that the way I learned some content was very different than the way my parents learned it, and the way my kids learn it is different than the way I learned it.
It's fine if you are helping your kid with homework all along and you are seeing how they are being taught. But what happens if your child has done just fine on their own and didn't need help, and suddenly in 4th grade is struggling? There you are, trying to teach them to write
56
+37
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And you're telling them to "carry the 1."
I would not have known about common core math at lower grades except I work with students who sometimes are at those grade levels. I had to learn quickly how to teach it the way they were already being taught. And geometry doesn't involve proofs anymore; who knew?
Maybe I'm a lot older and many of you have been taught this way--I don't know. I just know that what is taught and how it is taught changes, and a lot of folks might struggle to figure out what the heck their child is trying to do when it is obvious to the parent how to do it their own way.
They need a "horrified" button.
horrified for whom? the parents for why common core is making everything so difficult, or the kids that don't get their parents' old fashioned way of doing things? lol
At the same time, we're not talking normal circumstances here. We're talking the event of our lifetime, a pandemic that is sweeping the world and killing thousands. Schools aren't being closed because the government doesn't want to deal with them; they understand the hardship and would have kept the schools open if it was remotely practical to do so. I know teachers would much rather be in a structured classroom where they know they have their students' attention and know they are getting what they need than trying to continue the school year from home, either teaching virtually or making up lesson plan packets to be sent home. The situation, however, calls for desperate measures.
It's one thing to say how difficult it is trying to juggle doing your own job at home and trying to help the kids stay on track; its understandable to be burdened and lost in what the kids' are learning (though I thought the point of common core was not to judge on method but on the answer; so if the kid gets the answer right because they do it the way mom or dad showed them, should it not still be correct?) It's understandable to be stressed, trying to keep up with everything and keep the kids going while the world has turned topsy turvy.
It's not okay, however, to be put out and complaining that this is all inconvenient and be upset because they think they shouldn't have to be putting up with the situation when its all being "blown out of proportion" or "its just getting the old people, not the kids, so why are we pulling the kids from school?" Just like the parents who threw a fit when the schools were shut down because "we've already bought the dress and its' my daughter's senior year and how dare they ruin this major moment of her life? How dare they shut down prom! (and yes, I did actually hear that stated nearly word for word when WV shut the schools down). Its one thing to be stressed; it's entirely another to refuse to acknowledge the reasons behind the schools being shut down and the state put into a lockdown. Its also quite another thing entirely to refuse to try to help your child in whatever way you can to keep up as best they can, knowing that they need this education to succeed later in life.
To me, its no different than folks who refuse to abide by the 6 ft rule or continue to have parties or whatever, because its their life and how dare they tell us what to do.
Horrified that that is how kids are being taught to do simple addition. My son is the only one in his friend group who can read cursive writing. I also find that horrifying.7 -
ShinyFuture wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »ShinyFuture wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »
WV is supposed to be doing it by packets, but I'm not sure it's going well. Parents are complaining about having to educate their children. Such as this one woman my brother overheard complaining about it, saying "that's what I send them to school for". *sigh* Supposedly, graduation and prom has been postponed to July. Personally, I kind of hope they decide to start the school year early this year, so the kids can catch up - instead of mid August, restart in mid-July or even right after the 4th. I doubt it, though.
As a teacher, I also believe that formal education should happen at school and/or with teachers unless one chooses to homeschool. But not everyone is able or willing to homeschool (obviously) for many, many reasons.
I'm wondering how many parents today were taught math like it is taught now. For example,
? = 56 + 37
=[50 + 6] + 37
=[50 + 6] + [30 + 7]
= 50 + [6 +30] + 7
= 50 + [30 + 6] + 7
= [50 + 30] + [6 + 7]
= 80 + 13
= 80+ [10 + 3]
= [80 + 10] + 3
= 90 + 3
= 93
I recall that the way I learned some content was very different than the way my parents learned it, and the way my kids learn it is different than the way I learned it.
It's fine if you are helping your kid with homework all along and you are seeing how they are being taught. But what happens if your child has done just fine on their own and didn't need help, and suddenly in 4th grade is struggling? There you are, trying to teach them to write
56
+37
______
And you're telling them to "carry the 1."
I would not have known about common core math at lower grades except I work with students who sometimes are at those grade levels. I had to learn quickly how to teach it the way they were already being taught. And geometry doesn't involve proofs anymore; who knew?
Maybe I'm a lot older and many of you have been taught this way--I don't know. I just know that what is taught and how it is taught changes, and a lot of folks might struggle to figure out what the heck their child is trying to do when it is obvious to the parent how to do it their own way.
They need a "horrified" button.
horrified for whom? the parents for why common core is making everything so difficult, or the kids that don't get their parents' old fashioned way of doing things? lol
At the same time, we're not talking normal circumstances here. We're talking the event of our lifetime, a pandemic that is sweeping the world and killing thousands. Schools aren't being closed because the government doesn't want to deal with them; they understand the hardship and would have kept the schools open if it was remotely practical to do so. I know teachers would much rather be in a structured classroom where they know they have their students' attention and know they are getting what they need than trying to continue the school year from home, either teaching virtually or making up lesson plan packets to be sent home. The situation, however, calls for desperate measures.
It's one thing to say how difficult it is trying to juggle doing your own job at home and trying to help the kids stay on track; its understandable to be burdened and lost in what the kids' are learning (though I thought the point of common core was not to judge on method but on the answer; so if the kid gets the answer right because they do it the way mom or dad showed them, should it not still be correct?) It's understandable to be stressed, trying to keep up with everything and keep the kids going while the world has turned topsy turvy.
It's not okay, however, to be put out and complaining that this is all inconvenient and be upset because they think they shouldn't have to be putting up with the situation when its all being "blown out of proportion" or "its just getting the old people, not the kids, so why are we pulling the kids from school?" Just like the parents who threw a fit when the schools were shut down because "we've already bought the dress and its' my daughter's senior year and how dare they ruin this major moment of her life? How dare they shut down prom! (and yes, I did actually hear that stated nearly word for word when WV shut the schools down). Its one thing to be stressed; it's entirely another to refuse to acknowledge the reasons behind the schools being shut down and the state put into a lockdown. Its also quite another thing entirely to refuse to try to help your child in whatever way you can to keep up as best they can, knowing that they need this education to succeed later in life.
To me, its no different than folks who refuse to abide by the 6 ft rule or continue to have parties or whatever, because its their life and how dare they tell us what to do.
Horrified that that is how kids are being taught to do simple addition. My son is the only one in his friend group who can read cursive writing. I also find that horrifying.
I guess I don't get the thing about being horrified about the cursive writing. Our grandparents had some skills that we don't have. My great-nieces and nephews will doubtlessly possess the ability to do things that I cannot. There's no general reason why skillsets must remain unchanging through generations.
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ShinyFuture wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »ShinyFuture wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »
WV is supposed to be doing it by packets, but I'm not sure it's going well. Parents are complaining about having to educate their children. Such as this one woman my brother overheard complaining about it, saying "that's what I send them to school for". *sigh* Supposedly, graduation and prom has been postponed to July. Personally, I kind of hope they decide to start the school year early this year, so the kids can catch up - instead of mid August, restart in mid-July or even right after the 4th. I doubt it, though.
As a teacher, I also believe that formal education should happen at school and/or with teachers unless one chooses to homeschool. But not everyone is able or willing to homeschool (obviously) for many, many reasons.
I'm wondering how many parents today were taught math like it is taught now. For example,
? = 56 + 37
=[50 + 6] + 37
=[50 + 6] + [30 + 7]
= 50 + [6 +30] + 7
= 50 + [30 + 6] + 7
= [50 + 30] + [6 + 7]
= 80 + 13
= 80+ [10 + 3]
= [80 + 10] + 3
= 90 + 3
= 93
I recall that the way I learned some content was very different than the way my parents learned it, and the way my kids learn it is different than the way I learned it.
It's fine if you are helping your kid with homework all along and you are seeing how they are being taught. But what happens if your child has done just fine on their own and didn't need help, and suddenly in 4th grade is struggling? There you are, trying to teach them to write
56
+37
______
And you're telling them to "carry the 1."
I would not have known about common core math at lower grades except I work with students who sometimes are at those grade levels. I had to learn quickly how to teach it the way they were already being taught. And geometry doesn't involve proofs anymore; who knew?
Maybe I'm a lot older and many of you have been taught this way--I don't know. I just know that what is taught and how it is taught changes, and a lot of folks might struggle to figure out what the heck their child is trying to do when it is obvious to the parent how to do it their own way.
They need a "horrified" button.
horrified for whom? the parents for why common core is making everything so difficult, or the kids that don't get their parents' old fashioned way of doing things? lol
At the same time, we're not talking normal circumstances here. We're talking the event of our lifetime, a pandemic that is sweeping the world and killing thousands. Schools aren't being closed because the government doesn't want to deal with them; they understand the hardship and would have kept the schools open if it was remotely practical to do so. I know teachers would much rather be in a structured classroom where they know they have their students' attention and know they are getting what they need than trying to continue the school year from home, either teaching virtually or making up lesson plan packets to be sent home. The situation, however, calls for desperate measures.
It's one thing to say how difficult it is trying to juggle doing your own job at home and trying to help the kids stay on track; its understandable to be burdened and lost in what the kids' are learning (though I thought the point of common core was not to judge on method but on the answer; so if the kid gets the answer right because they do it the way mom or dad showed them, should it not still be correct?) It's understandable to be stressed, trying to keep up with everything and keep the kids going while the world has turned topsy turvy.
It's not okay, however, to be put out and complaining that this is all inconvenient and be upset because they think they shouldn't have to be putting up with the situation when its all being "blown out of proportion" or "its just getting the old people, not the kids, so why are we pulling the kids from school?" Just like the parents who threw a fit when the schools were shut down because "we've already bought the dress and its' my daughter's senior year and how dare they ruin this major moment of her life? How dare they shut down prom! (and yes, I did actually hear that stated nearly word for word when WV shut the schools down). Its one thing to be stressed; it's entirely another to refuse to acknowledge the reasons behind the schools being shut down and the state put into a lockdown. Its also quite another thing entirely to refuse to try to help your child in whatever way you can to keep up as best they can, knowing that they need this education to succeed later in life.
To me, its no different than folks who refuse to abide by the 6 ft rule or continue to have parties or whatever, because its their life and how dare they tell us what to do.
Horrified that that is how kids are being taught to do simple addition. My son is the only one in his friend group who can read cursive writing. I also find that horrifying.
Why? Cursive is not really necessary for life. 🤷🏼♀️10 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »It may not be just a question of being able to afford food. I keep my diet pretty restrictive to help manage BG. It has been more and more difficult to find the food that I eat. I had been switching to just beef because I had the most success with that. Last time I went shopping, there was no beef, so I got some eggs, turkey, and cheese. Next time, there may be no animal products at all.
A couple months ago, I transitioned my cat from canned to dry food. It worked faster than planned and I still have some canned food yet. I had been putting out a can for him every once in awhile, but have decided to stop doing that and will keep the canned food in case I run out completely. It is turkey and very low carb because no gravy. I had switched to this food back when I had a diabetic cat, but he died in Oct. 2018 and I just recently decided to switch my remaining cat back to dry for cost and convenience reasons.
Wait... you're gonna stock cat food to eat yourself? :noway:
No, I already have the cat food. Just going to keep feeding the cat dry food and hold back the wet canned food in case.cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »It may not be just a question of being able to afford food. I keep my diet pretty restrictive to help manage BG. It has been more and more difficult to find the food that I eat. I had been switching to just beef because I had the most success with that. Last time I went shopping, there was no beef, so I got some eggs, turkey, and cheese. Next time, there may be no animal products at all.
A couple months ago, I transitioned my cat from canned to dry food. It worked faster than planned and I still have some canned food yet. I had been putting out a can for him every once in awhile, but have decided to stop doing that and will keep the canned food in case I run out completely. It is turkey and very low carb because no gravy. I had switched to this food back when I had a diabetic cat, but he died in Oct. 2018 and I just recently decided to switch my remaining cat back to dry for cost and convenience reasons.
Where do you live that you can't find meat?
This was last Sat. in Dyersburg, TN. They had some meat, but almost no beef except for the roast beef lunchmeat. They had 4 dozen eggs (all medium), of which I bought 2. And I got some turkey lunchmeat as well as a block of cheese. I had started switching to beef at the beginning of 2020, and got to 90% beef by Feb... was 100% by Mar. until that happened. Hadn't eaten cheese at all this year until that.
ETA: The roast beef lunchmeat, I was able to get 2 pack, I think 7 oz. each. That was the last of their beef.
Okay, so you found what you needed. Just not what you wanted.
I believe (based on nothing at all) that the stores are stocking all day, but not a full shelf at all times, to dissuade the panic-buy-55-cases of meat shoppers. There is enough supply, but not if everyone fills three refrigerators all at one time. These kind of posts that, "There was no mea!!!" just fuels the fear
You got what you needed.
I said there was no beef and explained that I had to change my diet (from beef only) to the animal products that were available. I'm sorry if you thought I was saying there was no meat. There was very little, but not zero. There was zero unprocessed beef, however. So I got the little bit of processed beef that remained, as well as some other animal-based foods. I'm fearful that when I go this weekend, there will be no animals at all based on the limited supply I saw last weekend, including zero beef (which is why I had to change my diet). I also pointed out that I will eat canned cat food before I eat heavy carb plants... and if that is all that remains available is rice or other carbs, then I have some cat food kept at the ready in case. I hope that is more clear.
That's a bit much imo 🤷🏼♀️12 -
cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »It may not be just a question of being able to afford food. I keep my diet pretty restrictive to help manage BG. It has been more and more difficult to find the food that I eat. I had been switching to just beef because I had the most success with that. Last time I went shopping, there was no beef, so I got some eggs, turkey, and cheese. Next time, there may be no animal products at all.
A couple months ago, I transitioned my cat from canned to dry food. It worked faster than planned and I still have some canned food yet. I had been putting out a can for him every once in awhile, but have decided to stop doing that and will keep the canned food in case I run out completely. It is turkey and very low carb because no gravy. I had switched to this food back when I had a diabetic cat, but he died in Oct. 2018 and I just recently decided to switch my remaining cat back to dry for cost and convenience reasons.
Where do you live that you can't find meat?
I’m a little to the south of him, in Memphis, and meat is hard to find here too. We can get SOME kind of meat now that the worst hoarding is over, but we are having to substitute for things like my husband’s breakfast sausage, no ground turkey, my mom asked for stew meat and there were no cheap cuts of beef, only one package of bacon in the entire store, found one pack of chicken thighs but had to throw them away because the next day the package was swollen like a bowling ball, apparently the only reason they were available was because they had been sitting out unrefrigerated and then put back. A couple of weeks ago there was no meat, period, empty cases.
We ate a lot of salmon. Apparently hoarders don’t eat salmon.
People keep telling us to sanitize our groceries. WITH WHAT? There are no cleaning products or bleach or wipes or alcohol available. I have dish soap, and that’s it.13 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
I guess I don't get the thing about being horrified about the cursive writing. Our grandparents had some skills that we don't have. My great-nieces and nephews will doubtlessly possess the ability to do things that I cannot. There's no general reason why skillsets must remain unchanging through generations.
It will be rather difficult to read original source information for a historian if they can't read cursive handwriting, and before you ask, I had a friend who started into a History Master's degree and it was vital that they get their information from the original sources, not copies or typed copies.
So one downside of not learning how to read cursive is a loss of history and information. If Great-grandaddy's journal is passed down, how will the child who can't read cursive read it and learn about his ancestor's thoughts?15 -
I was at the store yesterday and there was a full supply of everything, especially meat (of course, it was a meat market). I felt compelled to avoid a few parts of the store (I'd intended to get some more frozen berries and veg, but someone was always hanging out at that area so it was hard to avoid). From what I've heard, the mainstream groceries and TJs are pretty normal but that TP still tends to be low later in the day (I really don't get why that is continuing to be an issue).3
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rheddmobile wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »It may not be just a question of being able to afford food. I keep my diet pretty restrictive to help manage BG. It has been more and more difficult to find the food that I eat. I had been switching to just beef because I had the most success with that. Last time I went shopping, there was no beef, so I got some eggs, turkey, and cheese. Next time, there may be no animal products at all.
A couple months ago, I transitioned my cat from canned to dry food. It worked faster than planned and I still have some canned food yet. I had been putting out a can for him every once in awhile, but have decided to stop doing that and will keep the canned food in case I run out completely. It is turkey and very low carb because no gravy. I had switched to this food back when I had a diabetic cat, but he died in Oct. 2018 and I just recently decided to switch my remaining cat back to dry for cost and convenience reasons.
Where do you live that you can't find meat?
I’m a little to the south of him, in Memphis, and meat is hard to find here too. We can get SOME kind of meat now that the worst hoarding is over, but we are having to substitute for things like my husband’s breakfast sausage, no ground turkey, my mom asked for stew meat and there were no cheap cuts of beef, only one package of bacon in the entire store, found one pack of chicken thighs but had to throw them away because the next day the package was swollen like a bowling ball, apparently the only reason they were available was because they had been sitting out unrefrigerated and then put back. A couple of weeks ago there was no meat, period, empty cases.
We ate a lot of salmon. Apparently hoarders don’t eat salmon.
People keep telling us to sanitize our groceries. WITH WHAT? There are no cleaning products or bleach or wipes or alcohol available. I have dish soap, and that’s it.
Soap works, for products it can be used on. Heat works, for products that can be heated. Aging in quarantine zones in home/garage works, for foods that don't need refrigeration (or for those with garage refrigerators). I've even seen some sources saying that in-refrigerator isolation (isolated section for newly-acquired products) can work.
I hear your concern, though, and empathize. :flowerforyou:4 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
I guess I don't get the thing about being horrified about the cursive writing. Our grandparents had some skills that we don't have. My great-nieces and nephews will doubtlessly possess the ability to do things that I cannot. There's no general reason why skillsets must remain unchanging through generations.
It will be rather difficult to read original source information for a historian if they can't read cursive handwriting, and before you ask, I had a friend who started into a History Master's degree and it was vital that they get their information from the original sources, not copies or typed copies.
So one downside of not learning how to read cursive is a loss of history and information. If Great-grandaddy's journal is passed down, how will the child who can't read cursive read it and learn about his ancestor's thoughts?
Can you read old English? I can't. Scholars can. Scholars of the future will learn cursive. It's not as if there is no instructional information, or as if it's particularly hard. Future scholars won't need to search for some obscure Rosetta stone.12 -
I was at the store yesterday and there was a full supply of everything, especially meat (of course, it was a meat market). I felt compelled to avoid a few parts of the store (I'd intended to get some more frozen berries and veg, but someone was always hanging out at that area so it was hard to avoid). From what I've heard, the mainstream groceries and TJs are pretty normal but that TP still tends to be low later in the day (I really don't get why that is continuing to be an issue).
When I briefly went to MBA school, it was a marketing platitude that typically 20% of your customers use 80% of your product, generally.
Now, huge numbers of people who normally go out to workplaces daily are staying home. Substantial numbers of the 20% of people who've used 80% of the supply are now using home TP instead of industrial-roll TP.
When I was last at Costco (3 weeks?) home TP was out of stock, but there were still cases of the bigger industrial rolls. Coincidence?
( <== please note LOLs, and refrain from arguing the point logically. I'm joking. Mostly.)
ETA, with some extra : Not two minutes after I typed the above, I heard an NPR story (on All Things Considered) in which they mentioned that the shift from workplace to home TP was probably one (small) factor in the TP demand, though far from the most important one. Weird coincidence!3 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
I guess I don't get the thing about being horrified about the cursive writing. Our grandparents had some skills that we don't have. My great-nieces and nephews will doubtlessly possess the ability to do things that I cannot. There's no general reason why skillsets must remain unchanging through generations.
It will be rather difficult to read original source information for a historian if they can't read cursive handwriting, and before you ask, I had a friend who started into a History Master's degree and it was vital that they get their information from the original sources, not copies or typed copies.
So one downside of not learning how to read cursive is a loss of history and information. If Great-grandaddy's journal is passed down, how will the child who can't read cursive read it and learn about his ancestor's thoughts?
Exactly. I’ve recently been doing some transcription for NARA of original documents from the Civil War. Got halfway through one dispatch and realized it answered a question that historians had been arguing about, having to do with the course of a particular battle. Most of what I’m transcribing is perfectly beautiful, legible handwriting in cursive, but surprisingly few people today are able to read it! Do we really want to have to call in experts to read our own history?
Okay, grant that the Civil War was 150 years ago, and maybe you don’t care about that. What about letters from within your own family? The love letters your mom and dad exchanged while they were engaged and he was away at college? Your grandma’s recipes? The inscriptions in your family Bible? Not being able to read cursive means not being able to read any private document from the very recent past.10 -
Reading this thread it kind of seems like the US is going to hell in a handbasket really, really fast.17
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