Coronavirus prep

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  • GaleHawkins
    GaleHawkins Posts: 8,159 Member
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    New Mexico is anxiously awaiting news from the governor this Friday as that is when our current restrictions are set to expire. The natives are definitely getting restless and even people who have been highly supportive of the governors actions (including myself) are starting to feel as though the restrictions are starting to go beyond their original purpose and intent which was to flatten the curve.

    By all accounts we've done that but we keep getting messages that the decisions made Friday will depend on the actions of New Mexican's today...social distance, stay home, etc. The problem is that in total, our cases are still going up or staying relatively static, but it is attributable largely to McKinley County and San Juan County. The Albuquerque metro area has seen a sharp decline in new cases and has very few new cases...and this can be said for the vast majority of the state. I think the governor may have some big problems on her hands if she decides to further extend the current orders based on numbers that are coming from two rural counties.

    It's getting to the point where the appearance at least is overreach and these restrictions are going from "flatten the curve" to trying to completely mitigate the virus into non existence. We're at the point where I think that if current restrictions are extended past Friday that the governor will lose a lot of even her most ardent supporters and I think a lot of mayors will just start doing their own thing. Politically, that could be interesting for the metro area as Albuquerque is fairly blue with a mayor closely allied with the governor and Rio Rancho being decidedly a republican city. I could definitely see a scenario where the mayor of Rio Rancho decides to open things up and Albuquerque would remain shuttered...and while these are two separate cities, they bump right up to one another so basically it would be like having 1/2 of the metro open and half closed. I also think that the governor would start losing control of the phasing with mayors just doing their own thing.

    If the governor moves to start phase 1 re-open, which would still have many restrictions, that would go a long way in keeping the state unified moving forward...obviously there will still be proponents that want to open more, but by and large I think a phase 1 re-open would go a long way...if not, I see anarchy on the horizon.

    KY never limited travel and more businesses opened up today. We can get a haircut on the 25th but I cut mine and carved out some of my face on the deck last week. After about 30 days people start asking Are we there yet? After 45 days beach/marching protests makes the leaders take note after a few shootings.

    The lock down was to help make sure there was a free respirator in case we needed one. Locally the ICU's have free beds. Nursing homes break outs are becoming less deadly it seems.
  • Theoldguy1
    Theoldguy1 Posts: 2,496 Member
    Our county (pop 170,000) in Central IL is closing down the drive through testing centers and local officials are talking to the governor (who put in some of the most restrictive guidelines in the country) about more regional opening plans.
  • corinasue1143
    corinasue1143 Posts: 7,464 Member
    Just curious. Why were barber shops among the first to open here, among the last in other states? Did our governor need a haircut and your governor has a private barber?
  • tulips_and_tea
    tulips_and_tea Posts: 5,741 Member
    Just curious. Why were barber shops among the first to open here, among the last in other states? Did our governor need a haircut and your governor has a private barber?

    Funny you say that. This was my son's gripe, too. He was supposed to get a haircut right before the shutdown and was annoyed he couldn't get a haircut for who knows how long yet our governor giving daily briefings on TV has had nicely cut hair the entire time.
  • Theoldguy1
    Theoldguy1 Posts: 2,496 Member
    BZAH10 wrote: »
    Just curious. Why were barber shops among the first to open here, among the last in other states? Did our governor need a haircut and your governor has a private barber?

    Funny you say that. This was my son's gripe, too. He was supposed to get a haircut right before the shutdown and was annoyed he couldn't get a haircut for who knows how long yet our governor giving daily briefings on TV has had nicely cut hair the entire time.

    Chicago mayor got crap for having her hair done during closures.
  • corinasue1143
    corinasue1143 Posts: 7,464 Member
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  • corinasue1143
    corinasue1143 Posts: 7,464 Member
    i need a haircut and my shop is still closed. Do I go elsewhere? Where? Or wait?
  • whoami67
    whoami67 Posts: 297 Member
    i need a haircut and my shop is still closed. Do I go elsewhere? Where? Or wait?
    Call your shop or hairdresser. A rather large number of them are still secretly open.
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    Diatonic12 wrote: »
    After this, I think many others will choose to work from home if their company will allow it. A change is gonna come. We're not going back to the same ole same ole or abby normal we're grown accustomed to.

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    Yes, I would continue working at home if possible. But if this ends up being permanent, I would setup a better space for it. A different desk, chair, screens, etc. setup. As long as it keeps getting extended, but is said to be "temporary," it isn't worthwhile to do that.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    mkculs13 wrote: »
    Why do people assume flattening the curve is a one-time thing? It only makes sense that an unchecked spread can and will climb steeply. Failure to maintain social distancing, hand washing, and mask-wearing are a gift to the virus. I would expect it to be worse now b/c so many more people have it--not enough for any potential immunity, but more than enough to create a disaster for all those who get ill in the period of reopening done so carelessly.

    I am in no way an advocate for carelessly re-opening...I don't know about other states, but NM has a plan for phased re-opening...it's not like the flood gates will just be opened. It is already mandatory for employees of any business that is currently operating whether curbside or in store to wear masks and to keep the 6' social distance, and those things will go well into the multiple phases of re-open. I'm pretty sure social distancing, hand washing and mask wearing aren't going anywhere.

    In regards to flattening the curve and there being a rebound once things start to open up...well, that is inevitable. A lot more people are going to get sick and a lot more people are going to die over the coming months and likely years. You can't quarantine the virus into oblivion. The virus is with us...it will be with us...it's not just going to vanish off the face of the earth. You can't shutter economies into perpetuity in some vain attempt to quarantine the virus away.

    In New Mexico we are substantially increasing testing and contact tracing as part of a federal pilot program. If you want to be tested, you can get tested regardless of whether you've had known contact with coronavirus or have symptoms. That will go a long way in quickly isolating outbreaks and I think going forward, the state is going to need to address hot spots in isolation rather than painting the entire state with broad brushed restrictions.

    I just wish more people understood this. It seems like a lot of people think this is something that will be a memory in a couple of months, and if we just flip the switch and get back to "real life" everything will be fine. Hopefully enough people do understand!

    Yeah, I really don't get the logic. Viruses don't just vanish into thin air. It will likely take a couple of years just to develop some semblance of herd immunity to this thing. I am also not particularly confident in there ever being a vaccine. To my knowledge, we don't have any vaccines for other coronaviruses, so I guess I would be surprised if they come up with one for this. If coronaviruses were that easy to tackle, why wouldn't we have a vaccination for the common cold by now?

    I am hopeful that this virus will act like many other viruses and recede to an extent in the summer, but I would also anticipate a resurgence in the fall...hopefully somewhat of a "summer break" will give the health care system ample time to ramp things up. I personally think we're somewhat fortunate in the US that this hit in late winter, going into spring...if this would have hit last September or October when regular cold and flu season picks up, I think things would be even worse.
  • lkpducky
    lkpducky Posts: 17,640 Member
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    i need a haircut and my shop is still closed. Do I go elsewhere? Where? Or wait?

    Saw a meme today. Won't repost here because not a meme thread. Two signs printed in huge font on white paper, put in a window, facing out:

    "Your hair looks great!"
    "I like how it saves lives."

    Feel free to post it here: https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10789131/coronavirus-memes

    There was a great Aquanet meme there recently which could use some company :smiley:
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    edited May 2020
    Just curious. Why were barber shops among the first to open here, among the last in other states? Did our governor need a haircut and your governor has a private barber?

    What state are you in? If Georgia, or your state's reopening guidelines are similar to GA, I can PM you something that I can't post here lest it be deemed too political.

    My OH taught himself to trim his hair, and he did a great job on my ends and bangs. I'm about ready to find some youtube videos and let him learn how to cut layers. If it doesn't work out, I'll be in a ponytail all summer :lol:
  • rheddmobile
    rheddmobile Posts: 6,840 Member
    edited May 2020
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    kimny72 wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    mkculs13 wrote: »
    Why do people assume flattening the curve is a one-time thing? It only makes sense that an unchecked spread can and will climb steeply. Failure to maintain social distancing, hand washing, and mask-wearing are a gift to the virus. I would expect it to be worse now b/c so many more people have it--not enough for any potential immunity, but more than enough to create a disaster for all those who get ill in the period of reopening done so carelessly.

    I am in no way an advocate for carelessly re-opening...I don't know about other states, but NM has a plan for phased re-opening...it's not like the flood gates will just be opened. It is already mandatory for employees of any business that is currently operating whether curbside or in store to wear masks and to keep the 6' social distance, and those things will go well into the multiple phases of re-open. I'm pretty sure social distancing, hand washing and mask wearing aren't going anywhere.

    In regards to flattening the curve and there being a rebound once things start to open up...well, that is inevitable. A lot more people are going to get sick and a lot more people are going to die over the coming months and likely years. You can't quarantine the virus into oblivion. The virus is with us...it will be with us...it's not just going to vanish off the face of the earth. You can't shutter economies into perpetuity in some vain attempt to quarantine the virus away.
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    In New Mexico we are substantially increasing testing and contact tracing as part of a federal pilot program. If you want to be tested, you can get tested regardless of whether you've had known contact with coronavirus or have symptoms. That will go a long way in quickly isolating outbreaks and I think going forward, the state is going to need to address hot spots in isolation rather than painting the entire state with broad brushed restrictions.

    I just wish more people understood this. It seems like a lot of people think this is something that will be a memory in a couple of months, and if we just flip the switch and get back to "real life" everything will be fine. Hopefully enough people do understand!

    Yeah, I really don't get the logic. Viruses don't just vanish into thin air. It will likely take a couple of years just to develop some semblance of herd immunity to this thing. I am also not particularly confident in there ever being a vaccine. To my knowledge, we don't have any vaccines for other coronaviruses, so I guess I would be surprised if they come up with one for this. If coronaviruses were that easy to tackle, why wouldn't we have a vaccination for the common cold by now?

    I am hopeful that this virus will act like many other viruses and recede to an extent in the summer, but I would also anticipate a resurgence in the fall...hopefully somewhat of a "summer break" will give the health care system ample time to ramp things up. I personally think we're somewhat fortunate in the US that this hit in late winter, going into spring...if this would have hit last September or October when regular cold and flu season picks up, I think things would be even worse.

    Viruses sometimes do vanish into thin air, though, or rather, they mutate to be less infectious or less deadly. That’s what happened with SARS and the Spanish Flu and it’s the best possible resolution to Covid-19. But you can’t count on it.

    Re: staged re-opening. My own county plan is a staged re-opening which looked good on paper. The reality turns out to be somewhat different. And I wonder, based on what you’re saying, if you are in the same sort of situation. Our stages are tied to the metric “percentage positive cases.” You can’t move to the next stage unless the percentage of positive cases has been level or going down for the past two weeks. Sounds great! But. It turns out that at the same time they moved into phase 1, they started making free testing for non-symptomatic people available. Also sounds great. But guess what? When you compare the percentage of positive cases of people who are being tested because they have symptoms with the percentage of positive cases of people who are being tested for no good reason at all, it looks like there are a lot fewer positive cases. It’s comparing apples to oranges. And I believe it was absolutely set up this way deliberately by someone in the government who understands how statistics work, to enable them to move ahead with the re-opening regardless. In total numbers, we have had two record-breaking days of new cases in the past week. But they are moving to phase 2 next week anyway, because they met their target of percentage.