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rheddmobile wrote: »Usually they have hand sanitizer with portapotties too, although I also think that seems weird.
We also have (most) parks open but playground sections closed off. Facilities are closed, but it seems not that hard just to plan so no bathroom is needed. There are tons of local parks here, so people likely aren't too far from their homes anyway.
What strange paradise do you live in where they have sanitizer with portapotties? I’ve used a lot more local portapotties than I care to at races, and I’m lucky to see toilet paper! I’ve learned to carry a wad of paper in my waist belt. Sometimes they have handwashing stations with foot pumps set up nearby, but not sanitizer.
Here in Wisconsin it is really, really rare to see a portapotty WITHOUT sanitizer. The few that don't have it are older, permanent ones. The rentals used at events have it in each one and often you will also have a washing station outside if it is a group of 4 or more.5 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »I was hesitant about going to the nursery because this time of year it is usually really crowded. I'm not sure why they are open, since i don't think it qualifies as a life essential business, but it may be that since Lowes nursery is open, and landscapers are allowed to work, it was deemed essential. In any case, with so many at home, I've seen a lot of gardens getting planted the past couple of weeks, so I took the chance. I was right. It was crowded, and only about 2/3 had masks. Many of the employees did not have masks. It's an Amish business, so they may have felt they didn't have to obey the Governor's order. Fortunately, with large trolleys to carry plants, it was mostly safe.
Garden centers here were allowed to open the last weekend in April, with restrictions. They were considered "essential" partly because of the amount of fruits/veggies people grow for food but I think the thinking also was that they contribute to positive mental health. The one I go to has 30 greenhouses of varying sizes. The smallest allow no more than 5 people (including employees) inside and the largest allowed up to 40 people.
The garden centers at places like Home Depot and Lowes never closed down because they are considered part of the store. They HAVE closed down the separate entrance so you go through the main entrance and exit so they can count customers. Business in the garden center has picked up so they do have a separate exit but it is exit only. Menards (a regional chain similar to the national ones) require masks and have security at the entrance. They also are not allowing anyone under 16 in, even with a parent, to reduce total number of people.4 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Wow, just got an email from my church parent association suggesting no in person meetings until this time next year:
"As states around the country begin to loosen guidelines and take actions to reopen, even as COVID-19 cases and deaths continue to climb, we have received many questions from congregations about returning to in-person gatherings.
Over the past several weeks, the UUA has consulted with multiple public health officials in order to update the guidance we provided on March 12 recommending congregations stop gathering in person.
Based on advice from experts, we continue to recommend that congregations not gather in person. We also recommend that congregations begin planning for virtual operations for the next year (through May 2021).
[Rational included but it is long so I am using this tag:]Take a moment to breathe. I know this is significant.
While there is much public conversation about "reopening," the reality is public health officials consistently predict a long trajectory for this pandemic. A majority of our congregational members, leaders, and staff members are in high-risk categories. Our care for the well-being and safety of our members and staff must be a priority in this pandemic.
This pandemic teaches us that our actions directly impact the health and well-being of our neighbors.
Additionally, religious gatherings are considered highly contagious events. The acts of singing, the familiarity of people across households, the multigenerational community of children, youth, adults, and seniors-the things that make our congregations so special-also create more risk for spreading the virus.
Given that so much uncertainty and risk remain, anticipating a year of virtual operations allows for more creative long-term planning, while still being flexible if conditions change significantly. We recognize that with time, and depending on the specific conditions and recommendations of local public health officials, small in-person groups of people and limited staff activities onsite may become possible while wearing masks, observing social distancing guidelines, and following diligent cleaning practices.
In making our recommendations, we are guided by science and our deepest held values. This pandemic teaches us that our actions directly impact the health and well-being of our neighbors and so it is imperative that we make choices that keep our congregations and larger community safer. As COVID-19 disproportionately impacts people with disabilities, Black people, Indigenous communities, Latinx people, the elderly, and essential workers, a majority of whom are women and women of color, religious communities have a moral responsibility to do all we can to reduce risks for those already at such high risk.
Public health officials are clear. There will need to be multiple weeks of reduction in infections, adequate testing, sufficient personal protective equipment available, contact tracing programs, and perhaps a vaccine before it will be safe for many of our congregations to fully gather in person again.
All this said, our ministries are essential services. I am moved by congregations who are increasing their services and generosity to the larger community during this pandemic. I am inspired by those who are keeping their "virtual" doors open. Many congregations have committed to keeping their services widely accessible and available to new people and visitors, while also creating more opportunities for virtual small groups to tend to the social, spiritual, emotional, and material needs of their members.
We hope that a vaccine or an effective treatment will be found soon to change this timeline. In the meantime, being able to plan the longer horizon of virtual services offers an opportunity to be creative in planning for life-giving, essential ministry across physical distance.
Our detailed UUA Guidelines on Gathering In Person as COVID-19 Subsides include specific questions for congregations to ask to determine risk assessment and readiness plans before beginning any moves to gather in person. We will continue to update them as more information becomes available. As always, we encourage you to reach out to UUA regional staff if you need support in your planning.
I continue to hold you, your community, and all of our people in my heart and in my prayers. I know adjusting to this new reality is heartbreaking. I also believe congregations who continue to lean into their mission and life-saving ministry will find ways to thrive in this time. Ministry is so deeply needed. As is moral leadership rooted in community care and in science. May we keep offering this to our communities.
Yours in love and gratitude,
Susan
What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul? There are worse things than dying.
True. Unknowingly giving another person a disease that could kill them would be far worse than dying yourself for many of us.
I will happily find other ways to connect with my chosen religious community rather than gathering together in an enclosed space. Our local churches are doing wonderful virtual services and organizing of community service ☺️
And yet I can go to any number of grocery store which have no limit on the number of people inside and don't sanitize carts, the marijuana shop, the liquor store, a coffee shop where I can stand in a line and order inside and wait inside for my order, Walmart, Target, Home Depot (but must enter through one crowded inside door and pass lots of people to get to the outside garden center where its safer...the direct outside entry is closed), the dentist, the airport, a crowded airplane, a job at a factory, a crowded beach where I can sunbathe and smoke pot as long as I have a surfboard laying on the sand next to me...but can't do those things without a surfboard, a crowded sidewalk with the empty sidewalk next to it banned, I can jaywalk through heavy traffic at the order of the police, I can take my children to daycare while I go work at my essential job mingling with the general public and then pick up those children who have mingled with other children whose parents also work at essential jobs mingling with the general public, and I can even go to confession in my church hall after standing in a crowded line with others, but of course it makes total sense that a limited number of people can't gather for mass in an enormous sanctuary designed to seat thousands.
At this point, it isn't a religious or health issue. It's just an objection to anti-science and illogical hysteria.5 -
Well this is all very alarming. The stay at home order was lifted where I live yesterday, and my husband said restaurants were packed. Like a line of cars out of the parking lot and blocking the street. My coworker was talking about going shopping for some new sandals. There was a LOT more traffic out yesterday when I took my dog on a walk, like every intersection I had to stop and wait for cars where normallyi hardly ever have to stop. I’m still working from home though. My office set up a schedule where only some number of employees can be there at a time and since I can do my job well at home I was left off the schedule at least thru July 🤷🏼♀️ it’ll be rough when I finally have to go back lol9
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I went to the grocery store today, a shockingly small number of people were masked. In the past few weeks, it was like 80% of the people I saw, it's like 40% at best now. I don't want people to mess this up.
On the other hand, there are less than 5 active cases of CV in the county I shopped in, the likelihood that I'd run into one at the grocery store is slim.4 -
I went to a store again here, a Petsmart (mainly because I wanted to look at kittens to adopt, but my sister needed to buy stuff too). Again, about 80% of the people on the street and 100% of those in the store were wearing masks, but the people in the store weren't social distancing well (although the numbers were low as required, so I didn't feel like it was a big risk, just annoyed since I had to actively avoid others).
I feel like people in my general neighborhood and my sister's (where we were) are complying well, but not sure that's making a difference city wide and given country wide I feel kind of hopeless -- people will likely decide soon that it does not matter.2 -
And yet I can go to any number of grocery store which have no limit on the number of people inside and don't sanitize carts
Oh? Many of us cannot, seems weird they have no limit of people per size of building, and my groceries are all sanitizing carts, as was my Home Depot.the marijuana shop, the liquor store, a coffee shop where I can stand in a line and order inside and wait inside for my order, Walmart, Target, Home Depot (but must enter through one crowded inside door and pass lots of people to get to the outside garden center where its safer...the direct outside entry is closed)
Yes, what I see for these is lines that are properly distanced and limited people in stores (why the lines).
{quote}the dentist[/quote]
When needed.the airport
Sure, but distanced, and it could be needed -- no crowded planes as from what I've heard middle rows are not being used and masks are.a job at a factory
Yes, there are essential jobs, and they are trying to social distance. Last I heard the same folks demanding we open (like you) were the ones most focused on saying factory workers had to come to work or lose their unemployment.
[quote[a crowded beach where I can sunbathe and smoke pot as long as I have a surfboard laying on the sand next to me...[/quote]
Not beach weather here, or in most of the country (are you in CA?), but I don't think that's okay most places that are social distancing. That said, if big beaches, it's theoretically possible one could distance on the beach in a way one cannot if indoors for any lengthy period of time.I can take my children to daycare while I go work at my essential job mingling with the general public and then pick up those children who have mingled with other children whose parents also work at essential jobs mingling with the general public, and I can even go to confession in my church hall after standing in a crowded line with others
Really? I can't do any of those things here (other than work at an essential job), all are not currently allowed (no confession due to the Archdiocese, not the state).but of course it makes total sense that a limited number of people can't gather for mass in an enormous sanctuary designed to seat thousands.
This is a tiny percentage of religious settings and assumes people would agree to much smaller numbers than normal, and also ignores how communion itself poses an issue. The Archdiocese here plans to open churches for less than 10 at the end of the month (for private devotions) and plans to open for in person masses soon after, but I suspect the latter will be delayed some given realities. That said, the way they discuss it (like how my gov discusses it) makes me think it will be handled reasonably, and not as some weird political statement falsely claiming this was anti Christian or they were forced to shut down, thank goodness!
I read about the similar events during the Spanish flu, and one thing that stuck out was the difference in that here people with no symptoms can be spreaders. There they couldn't have streamed masses and such, so they discontinued access to churches during non mass hours, spread out masses more, sanitized between, and had ushers who monitored whether people who came in had symptoms.
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My husband had his first confirmed case at work, in the office. They are already doing all they can to keep distance, cleaning every 2 hours, janitorial staff deep cleaned all the rooms she had been in, but I am sure the mental side of things will change now that the potential threat is a real threat. They are keeping personal logs of potential contacts (she had none, she did well to wear her mask and kept the 6ft distance), and the HR Mgr is keeping detailed records of any and all symptoms reported by employees and the eventual outcome. Thankfully she had flu like symptoms for a couple days but is already feeling better, the doctor said it’s a good sign that she should have a milder case overall.11
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WI is chaotic. My county has issued a health order to replace the Governor's order struck down by our Supreme Court. But only one other county has done the same (Milwaukee County and Dane County, the only counties with sizeable cities; other counties have spikes but aren't issuing orders). A friend in a county without an order has reported packed bars, restaurants, and stores. She even had someone tell her that "there is no more threat, b/c otherwise things wouldn't have opened." Such ignorance. Another friend was called a "pansy" for wearing a mask.
It is demoralizing to realize how stupid some people are.
I am hoping that with increased testing we get better data. I can get a free test any time now. I hope we find data to support reopening, b/c it's happening and I'd rather see it go well than otherwise. But to act without the data is so irresponsible.19 -
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/16/us/alaska-coronavirus-grocer-toshua-supply-trnd/index.html
A grocer in a remote Alaskan region that's only accessible by boat or plane is going above and beyond to keep his small city fed during the coronavirus pandemic.
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Diatonic12 wrote: »https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/16/us/alaska-coronavirus-grocer-toshua-supply-trnd/index.html
A grocer in a remote Alaskan region that's only accessible by boat or plane is going above and beyond to keep his small city fed during the coronavirus pandemic.
I read on line about this wonderful act and I was happy and proud of this young man and his employees for helping the community. Stories like this lift the spirit and help me to deal with the stupidity and ignorance of other folks.5 -
It's weird the variety of things that are different now. The nursery was hopping two weeks ago, out of some herbs and veggies, I was about the 50th person in line and we were spread far apart, lines were all over but it went fast. Lowes wasn't as bad, both places about 60%wore masks.
Grocery stores I've noticed the more expensive ones have more people with masks and doing social distancing. People at the cheaper, more crowded store are really rude, knocking produce on floor and not picking it up, yelling for people to move instead of waiting, and cutting people off to get stuff. Cashiers have been awesome!
Random weird things is bagged salad was gone again like at the beginning of quarantine. I did manage to get nonfat Greek yogurt under $5 for the first time in two weeks. Went to urgent care last night and even though I was the only one there they made me wait in the car until ready for me.9 -
yes when we talk about the "shaming" that some people are trying to do to others who choose to wear masks, social distancing and etc., it is upsetting. My neice who is 30 years old wore her mask to a grocery store and was told by some youth her age" what are you doing wearing a mask?- this disease is just for the old folks- laughing at her" when she defended herself that ALL ages are coming down with COVID 19- and the mask is more to protect her mom, me(her aunt) and others... she was scoffed at-- it is SAD because so much misinformation is out there- and some folks are not trying to learn- just assume since our state is open - "everything" is cool- my state is Ga btw14
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My bags were packed and I was ready to go. I was standing there outside the door with my multi-cr@p packed in plastic bags. The folkaronies said, we don't want to see you goooo. Tears were falling and I couldn't believe it. You're not ready for me to go. How can that be. So I hauled all my stuff back inside the house and I'm anchored back down in Anchorage. That's just another song. I've been here for 3 months. I've cleaned the house, prepped meals, did the laundry and chores. So I'm here for another day or so. I can't upack those plastic bags, I'm worn out. It was so much easier to stay inside with the snow falling. Catch you on the flip-flop. Tomorrow.
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I've been reading this post for awhile now and a few things occurred to me. Regardless of people's politics or whatever, something I've noticed both here and on social media in general is that anyone who doesn't do what the vocal people (for me both sides of this have valid points) are insulted, called ignorant, stupid, called out personally and generally. It seems to me that the side that wants people to continue to shelter in place, wear masks, social distance long past when the other half no longer wants to that NOT insulting those people would be a good way to start. The more people are insulted or harassed the more they are going to want to do what they want anyway. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar after all.
The point of the lockdown was to slow the spread, there is no way to stop it altogether unless/until there's a vaccine which isn't likely any time soon. Nicely encouraging people to social distance or wear a mask instead of calling them out or insulting them is likely to work much better...and the same is true in reverse. It seems to me that a large number of people forget that kindness goes a long way - on both sides.10 -
I don't see anyone here being unkind. (On other forums, sure.) Unless remarking that gathering in large dense groups (as with those packing bars in WI recently) are being unwise and prolonging this for the rest of us = unkind.14
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I don't see anyone here being unkind. (On other forums, sure.) Unless remarking that gathering in large dense groups (as with those packing bars in WI recently) are being unwise and prolonging this for the rest of us = unkind.
I've seen multiple posts where people are calling other people stupid, ignorant, and other not very kind names. I will admit it happens even more on social media but it's certainly happening here as well where posters insult those who aren't abiding by their idea of what we should all be doing. A little kindness goes a long way.
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Well this is all very alarming. The stay at home order was lifted where I live yesterday, and my husband said restaurants were packed. Like a line of cars out of the parking lot and blocking the street. My coworker was talking about going shopping for some new sandals. There was a LOT more traffic out yesterday when I took my dog on a walk, like every intersection I had to stop and wait for cars where normallyi hardly ever have to stop. I’m still working from home though. My office set up a schedule where only some number of employees can be there at a time and since I can do my job well at home I was left off the schedule at least thru July 🤷🏼♀️ it’ll be rough when I finally have to go back lol
My bosses are the suspicious sort, so they got tired of the working from home concept where they can't literally see everybody. So now I'm back at work sharing an office with a young lady who is paranoid about anyone not wearing masks. I can do all my work from home. She cannot. So she should have the office for herself, free of my contamination!!13 -
I've been reading this post for awhile now and a few things occurred to me. Regardless of people's politics or whatever, something I've noticed both here and on social media in general is that anyone who doesn't do what the vocal people (for me both sides of this have valid points) are insulted, called ignorant, stupid, called out personally and generally. It seems to me that the side that wants people to continue to shelter in place, wear masks, social distance long past when the other half no longer wants to that NOT insulting those people would be a good way to start. The more people are insulted or harassed the more they are going to want to do what they want anyway. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar after all.
The point of the lockdown was to slow the spread, there is no way to stop it altogether unless/until there's a vaccine which isn't likely any time soon. Nicely encouraging people to social distance or wear a mask instead of calling them out or insulting them is likely to work much better...and the same is true in reverse. It seems to me that a large number of people forget that kindness goes a long way - on both sides.
No, this was attempted a couple months ago. The reason why some places have made it illegal to go out without a mask is because asking nicely doesn't work. No matter how much you may believe otherwise, this was proven already. After asking nicely for weeks, some are resorting to shaming people who don't wear masks. Is that going to work any better? No, not likely... make it a law and enforce it, that's the only way that will work.14 -
So because asking nicely didn't work (whether it was nicely is debatable) it's ok now to be rude?
Not to mention in America at least I don't think that type of law CAN be passed...though businesses are allowed to require one to enter. But with how rude some people are, especially on social media these days people who might have complied are deciding its not worth it. In general people don't like to be told what to do and when insulted about it will dig in their heels.
If you want people to comply it will go better if you are nice.4
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