Coronavirus prep

Diatonic12

https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/covid-19-dr-zhong-nanshan-is-in/

Did anyone catch this doctor talking about covid19 a few minutes ago. Not only is he brilliant and smart, at age 84, his fitness level is inspiring. I'll have whatever he's having. Muscle mass is not overrated. I wonder what kind of food protocol he's doing. Can't find much more about him on the innertube. I can see why he bolsters confidence with his health regimen.

Diatonic12

@MikePfirrman There's no whining out here. It takes true grit or you won't last. Today, a new outbreak was reported in one of our small nursing homes with 5 staff and 5 residents testing positive, more pending. It scares the folkaronies so I'll stay on as I'm needed, wanted and buttered UP.

There's been a string of burglaries, new trucks stolen and some deranged person is shooting jack rabbits with blowgun darts. They're not dying but running with their horrid wounds. Need to catch this perp before they move onto larger game and turn into another J.Dalmer.

janejellyroll

kushiel1 wrote: »

I guess it is all in how you read it /shrug. Do I think that one poster is calling another stupid specifically? No. But there is a TON of generalization and I don't think that is helpful in terms of getting people to do what "you" (not anyone specific) want.

This pandemic has brought out the worst in people on both sides and this has turned astoundingly political here in the US. Lots of negativity out there.

There are people in this country who won't do what is necessary specifically to bother those who realize it is necessary. It's pure ignorant nonsense and there's no point in being nice. These people aren't going to be responsible if we treat them better and the bellyaching about how responsible people aren't being "nice enough" is just another form of manipulative deceit.

janejellyroll

GaleHawkins wrote: »

On the positive side there the millions that have developed antibodies that should help to keep the post lock down spike less than the initial spike.

When has it been established that we can't be infected twice? This is still a subject of active research: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857379338/5-uss-roosevelt-sailors-test-positive-for-covid-19-again

T1DCarnivoreRunner

janejellyroll wrote: »

GaleHawkins wrote: »

On the positive side there the millions that have developed antibodies that should help to keep the post lock down spike less than the initial spike.

When has it been established that we can't be infected twice? This is still a subject of active research: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857379338/5-uss-roosevelt-sailors-test-positive-for-covid-19-again

I thought I read some in China (and Singapore?) had also gotten re-infected. If it's possible to get infected more than once, then isn't it also possible to be an asymptomatic carrier more than once?

janejellyroll

T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »

janejellyroll wrote: »

GaleHawkins wrote: »

On the positive side there the millions that have developed antibodies that should help to keep the post lock down spike less than the initial spike.

When has it been established that we can't be infected twice? This is still a subject of active research: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857379338/5-uss-roosevelt-sailors-test-positive-for-covid-19-again

I thought I read some in China (and Singapore?) had also gotten re-infected. If it's possible to get infected more than once, then isn't it also possible to be an asymptomatic carrier more than once?

I would think so, it's just another thing we don't know yet. I don't think we can be flippant about everyone who has been previously exposed being able to check this off and not worry about it again.

debtay123

ITA there is so much about this virus that is NOt known YET- we seem to be learning new things everyday or two- now we find out even our children are at risk and some are getting some covidlike illness- they are not sure but can be deadly to some.... I just don't understand others(not on this site) but others "shaming others' condemning folks for TRYING to follow CDC and scientific guidelines UNTIl we know more!

Diatonic12

Just have to show you who keeps trying to come for dinner at our house. There are no food sources outside but they might have to haul them further off into the backcountry. Thanks to everyone for keeping each other company over these difficult three months.

cwolfman13

Getting my COVID test this week...

ETA: hopefully I get the mouth swab and not the stick up the nose. I'm volunteering as part of the pilot program for substantially increased testing and contact tracing in NM. We are testing anyone who wants a test regardless of whether they have known contact or have symptoms or not. The governor has urged all state employees and other public employees, including first responders to get tested as well as employees who have been deemed essential over the past couple of months and who have been working outside of their homes.

AnnPT77

T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »

janejellyroll wrote: »

GaleHawkins wrote: »

On the positive side there the millions that have developed antibodies that should help to keep the post lock down spike less than the initial spike.

When has it been established that we can't be infected twice? This is still a subject of active research: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857379338/5-uss-roosevelt-sailors-test-positive-for-covid-19-again

I thought I read some in China (and Singapore?) had also gotten re-infected. If it's possible to get infected more than once, then isn't it also possible to be an asymptomatic carrier more than once?

I suspect it's difficult to tell at this point whether it's re-infection with a new viral load from a new source, vs. something bizarre about this virus - which has some very strange behaviors, for sure, like what's happening to small numbers of very young children; plus we have a context where certain COVID tests are known, in certain conditions, to produce false negatives.

I think that last is especially hard to put into perspective with the reported Chinese re-infections, because IMO it's pretty murky from a distant part of the world to see what those exact circumstances were. The sailors from the USS Roosevelt who've tested positive again, after (in some cases) multiple negative tests, will - I hope - result in some transparent analysis of the circumstances that scientists can learn useful things from.

T1DCarnivoreRunner

I just found out that some police and sheriffs here in TN are being given names and addresses of everyone who has tested positive. Health privacy apparently doesn't matter here: https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2020/may/08/state-health-department-gives-names-addresses/522572/

cmriverside

T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »

I just found out that some police and sheriffs here in TN are being given names and addresses of everyone who has tested positive. Health privacy apparently doesn't matter here: https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2020/may/08/state-health-department-gives-names-addresses/522572/

:noway:

cmriverside

ha, that smiley has issues...like an ":n" on its face.

kushiel1

T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »

I just found out that some police and sheriffs here in TN are being given names and addresses of everyone who has tested positive. Health privacy apparently doesn't matter here: https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2020/may/08/state-health-department-gives-names-addresses/522572/

Does HIPPA have an pandemic exception clause I don't know about? I can see wanting to do contract tracing but this seems to be very invasive....and illegal.

kushiel1

cmriverside wrote: »

ha, that smiley has issues...like an ":n" on its face.

That emoji made me giggle...thanks! Love the eyes lol.

earlnabby

T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »

I just found out that some police and sheriffs here in TN are being given names and addresses of everyone who has tested positive. Health privacy apparently doesn't matter here: https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2020/may/08/state-health-department-gives-names-addresses/522572/

We seem to have moved the line between health information privacy and information released for public health necessity. Like so many other things about this pandemic, there is not enough known about it and there is no coordinated national response in the US.

cmriverside

earlnabby wrote: »

T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »

I just found out that some police and sheriffs here in TN are being given names and addresses of everyone who has tested positive. Health privacy apparently doesn't matter here: https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2020/may/08/state-health-department-gives-names-addresses/522572/

We seem to have moved the line between health information privacy and information released for public health necessity. Like so many other things about this pandemic, there is not enough known about it and there is no coordinated national response in the US.

Yeah, so you better hope you don't need an LEO when you have a positive diagnosis.

earlnabby

kushiel1 wrote: »

T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »

I just found out that some police and sheriffs here in TN are being given names and addresses of everyone who has tested positive. Health privacy apparently doesn't matter here: https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2020/may/08/state-health-department-gives-names-addresses/522572/

Does HIPPA have an pandemic exception clause I don't know about? I can see wanting to do contract tracing but this seems to be very invasive....and illegal.

I don't know the details but there are some exceptions when public safety is at risk, for example someone with a known STD knowingly exposing others.

The question right now is how to define if someone is knowingly risking the health of the public and what to do about it.

AnnPT77

I wonder if there are older provisions in law that allow for public health officials to impose formal quarantine on a household, that are letting positive test results' names/addresses go to law enforcement in some areas. If so, that could be a legal exception to HIPAA (in the US), similar to court orders being able to get at protected health info in certain scenarios.

I can just barely remember it, but "back in the day" before there were vaccines for common very infectious deadly diseases (measles is one), it was a thing to impose formal quarantine on a household, put up "quarantine" signs around their house, and legally require them to meet certain isolation conditions for a defined period of time.

Most of y'all probably way too young to have encountered that; I'm darned close to too young, and think I just remember people talking about it, not seeing it happen.

earlnabby

AnnPT77 wrote: »

I wonder if there are older provisions in law that allow for public health officials to impose formal quarantine on a household, that are letting positive test results' names/addresses go to law enforcement in some areas. If so, that could be a legal exception to HIPAA (in the US), similar to court orders being able to get at protected health info in certain scenarios.

I can just barely remember it, but "back in the day" before there were vaccines for common very infectious deadly diseases (measles is one), it was a thing to impose formal quarantine on a household, put up "quarantine" signs around their house, and legally require them to meet certain isolation conditions for a defined period of time.

Most of y'all probably way too young to have encountered that; I'm darned close to too young, and think I just remember people talking about it, not seeing it happen.

We are close to the same age. I don't remember the quarantines but my Mom told me about them in the early 50's with polio. She was a young mother (first child in '53, second in '54, I was in '56) so she was very aware of the families who were quarantined because of it. The worry didn't last too long for her because of the vaccine that came out when my brothers were still toddlers.