Coronavirus prep
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kshama2001 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Some of the issue was that if you already had a cancer diagnosis you could continue treatment, but if you didn't...you were often deferred because "elective" procedures (such as diagnostics) were not being done. Or you couldn't get in to see that specialist because of Covid restrictions.
The restrictions even now on visitation in hospitals (because of course it makes sense for a sick person to be alone for 20 hours of the day....) are ridiculous. Or if you are in the ED you can't have anyone with you.
In general I agree with the poster above who pointed out that not only health screenings are being put off but the incidents of abuse, suicidal ideation, depression, anxiety, etc are all on the rise. I read a statistic recently that said that the US is up 300,000 deaths from where they thought we'd be (I could be wrong in my remembering honestly) if 200k of those are covid the other 100k is covid related in some form probably - why aren't we freaking out about that number?
Covid fear is killing more people (or at least harming them in irrevocable ways) than Covid itself is. The cure for the disease can NOT be worse than the disease itself and we are heading that way at this point though I fear we are already there.
Some of those excess 100,000 deaths are almost certainly undiagnosed covid deaths, given how difficult it has been to get tested in most places in the U.S. for much of the time this pandemic has been going on. I'd want to know how many excess respiratory and organ shutdown deaths there have that weren't attributed to a specific disease through testing.
And there are also many people who, so far as we know, may be being harmed in irrecovable ways from COVID (we simply can't know whether folks who are still suffering extreme fatigue, "brain fog" that leaves them unable to work, shortness of breath that leaves them unable to live the lives they were living before, etc. will ever recover -- we just don't have the data on a novel virus).
I don't think the public policy response has been perfect in choosing what needs to be shut down and how much and how long, but I think we would all be in a better position and have better options if last Easter, last Memorial Day, last Independence Day, last Labor Day, so many people hadn't felt like they just couldn't give up large gatherings, often indoors, often unmasked.
Yes, if you look at the spikes in cases in the US, they come a few weeks after Memorial Day, Labor Day, etc. >.<
Yes, and with Thanksgiving, Black Friday, then Christmas, Hanukkah, New Years, etc. all coming up soon... we are in for trouble.9 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Some of the issue was that if you already had a cancer diagnosis you could continue treatment, but if you didn't...you were often deferred because "elective" procedures (such as diagnostics) were not being done. Or you couldn't get in to see that specialist because of Covid restrictions.
The restrictions even now on visitation in hospitals (because of course it makes sense for a sick person to be alone for 20 hours of the day....) are ridiculous. Or if you are in the ED you can't have anyone with you.
In general I agree with the poster above who pointed out that not only health screenings are being put off but the incidents of abuse, suicidal ideation, depression, anxiety, etc are all on the rise. I read a statistic recently that said that the US is up 300,000 deaths from where they thought we'd be (I could be wrong in my remembering honestly) if 200k of those are covid the other 100k is covid related in some form probably - why aren't we freaking out about that number?
Covid fear is killing more people (or at least harming them in irrevocable ways) than Covid itself is. The cure for the disease can NOT be worse than the disease itself and we are heading that way at this point though I fear we are already there.paperpudding wrote: »What do you mean by why aren't we freaking out about that number....?.?
I accept elective procedures being delayed and I accept isolation has been very difficult for some people , but I don't agree at all that more deaths have been caused by Covid fear than by Covid itself
"Covid fear is killing more people (or at least harming them in irrevocable ways) than Covid itself is" is a claim not tethered to data.
The two are not equivalent and neither of them are quantifiable at this point.
You will have to explain this to me as I cannot see how " covid fear is killing more people than covid itself " and "more deaths have been caused by covid fear than covid itself" are not equivalent statements.
I don't agree with the statements but can't see any difference between them
And I agree, not tethered to data.
No evidence to support the claim.
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paperpudding wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Some of the issue was that if you already had a cancer diagnosis you could continue treatment, but if you didn't...you were often deferred because "elective" procedures (such as diagnostics) were not being done. Or you couldn't get in to see that specialist because of Covid restrictions.
The restrictions even now on visitation in hospitals (because of course it makes sense for a sick person to be alone for 20 hours of the day....) are ridiculous. Or if you are in the ED you can't have anyone with you.
In general I agree with the poster above who pointed out that not only health screenings are being put off but the incidents of abuse, suicidal ideation, depression, anxiety, etc are all on the rise. I read a statistic recently that said that the US is up 300,000 deaths from where they thought we'd be (I could be wrong in my remembering honestly) if 200k of those are covid the other 100k is covid related in some form probably - why aren't we freaking out about that number?
Covid fear is killing more people (or at least harming them in irrevocable ways) than Covid itself is. The cure for the disease can NOT be worse than the disease itself and we are heading that way at this point though I fear we are already there.paperpudding wrote: »What do you mean by why aren't we freaking out about that number....?.?
I accept elective procedures being delayed and I accept isolation has been very difficult for some people , but I don't agree at all that more deaths have been caused by Covid fear than by Covid itself
"Covid fear is killing more people (or at least harming them in irrevocable ways) than Covid itself is" is a claim not tethered to data.
The two are not equivalent and neither of them are quantifiable at this point.
You will have to explain this to me as I cannot see how " covid fear is killing more people than covid itself " and "more deaths have been caused by covid fear than covid itself" are not equivalent statements.
I don't agree with the statements but can't see any difference between them
And I agree, not tethered to data.
No evidence to support the claim.
I know I should just let @kshama2001 speak for herself, but I think you've misunderstood the post you're responding to. I don't think "the two" refers to the way you phrased the covid fear v. covid comparison and the other way of phrasing that comparison. I think "the two" refers to covid fear and covid.3 -
So, Covid fear and Covid are not equivalent??
well, no, they are not, I agree
but am still confused
never mind, carry on.6 -
Interesting point noted on last week's This Week in Virology. They said they believe the current developing spike in the US is due at least partially to grade school reopenings, but that transmission does not seem to be happening in the school environment. Their theory is that school reopenings is a subtle signal to the community that they're back to normal. So the reopening leads to more playdates and birthday parties and after soccer practice team meals. And since the weather isn't great anymore, this stuff is moving indoors and so the kids are passing covid around and bringing it home to parents and grandparents.12
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No Covid fear here since we have no Covid except the odd person in quarantine from overseas. Makes me angry some won't do what they should in other countries to save everyone else but what can you do? I would put them in prison actually. They are potentially killing others and making the disease go on for longer.13
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »My family has decided to not have a large Thanksgiving gathering this year, in order to keep everyone safe.
We are going to get together in small pods to limit the exposure risks.
My parents are going to have my uncle over, who lives alone.
I'm going to my sister's house, since she's alone.
My husband will have his brother and sister over, since they are both alone.
It would obviously be the safest if we all just stayed home, but this way, at least no one is alone on Thanksgiving. We have a lot of single people in our family.
I like this thinking. Be considerate but be safe.4 -
No Covid fear here since we have no Covid except the odd person in quarantine from overseas. Makes me angry some won't do what they should in other countries to save everyone else but what can you do? I would put them in prison actually. They are potentially killing others and making the disease go on for longer.
Who ever diagreed well you are the sort of person that needs to think about your actions or go to jail since you only care about yourself.3 -
paperpudding wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Some of the issue was that if you already had a cancer diagnosis you could continue treatment, but if you didn't...you were often deferred because "elective" procedures (such as diagnostics) were not being done. Or you couldn't get in to see that specialist because of Covid restrictions.
The restrictions even now on visitation in hospitals (because of course it makes sense for a sick person to be alone for 20 hours of the day....) are ridiculous. Or if you are in the ED you can't have anyone with you.
In general I agree with the poster above who pointed out that not only health screenings are being put off but the incidents of abuse, suicidal ideation, depression, anxiety, etc are all on the rise. I read a statistic recently that said that the US is up 300,000 deaths from where they thought we'd be (I could be wrong in my remembering honestly) if 200k of those are covid the other 100k is covid related in some form probably - why aren't we freaking out about that number?
Covid fear is killing more people (or at least harming them in irrevocable ways) than Covid itself is. The cure for the disease can NOT be worse than the disease itself and we are heading that way at this point though I fear we are already there.paperpudding wrote: »What do you mean by why aren't we freaking out about that number....?.?
I accept elective procedures being delayed and I accept isolation has been very difficult for some people , but I don't agree at all that more deaths have been caused by Covid fear than by Covid itself
"Covid fear is killing more people (or at least harming them in irrevocable ways) than Covid itself is" is a claim not tethered to data.
The two are not equivalent and neither of them are quantifiable at this point.
You will have to explain this to me as I cannot see how " covid fear is killing more people than covid itself " and "more deaths have been caused by covid fear than covid itself" are not equivalent statements.
I don't agree with the statements but can't see any difference between them
And I agree, not tethered to data.
No evidence to support the claim.
Sure, I meant "Covid fear is killing more people" is not the same as "(or at least harming them in irrevocable ways)".
Death and irrevocable harm are both bad, but not equivalent, making an already weak argument weaker.4 -
No Covid fear here since we have no Covid except the odd person in quarantine from overseas. Makes me angry some won't do what they should in other countries to save everyone else but what can you do? I would put them in prison actually. They are potentially killing others and making the disease go on for longer.
Yes. Same here. Persons from high-risk countries must arrive here with a recent negative test result or be tested on arrival, then a re-test after a prescribed number of days. Any positive tests are immediately isolated until recovery. We have absolutely no local spread. Now there's stricter monitoring of those awaiting their second test, as a few have been reluctant to follow the protocols.6 -
@mockchoc and @tonyB0588 just curious what countries you are each in. it's interesting to see how COVID is controlled in different places.1
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@mockchoc and @tonyB0588 just curious what countries you are each in. it's interesting to see how COVID is controlled in different places.
A Caribbean island. All the Caribbean islands are tourist destinations. Most have reopened to tourism, but with rigid protocols to ensure no visitors pass the virus on to the local population.5 -
Mockchoc is in Queensland, Australia
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I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.8
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I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.11 -
I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.5 -
I didn't know they did that but agree that is a good idea. I just hope they think of others and not just themselves when out. Everyone deserves to be safe or as safe as they can be.4
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I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
Here we had big fines or prison terms for breaking curfew earlier this year. Now it's a big fine or prison term for breaching any quarantine or isolation order. People who have the virus or who may have been exposed to someone else who has it, CANNOT be allowed to endanger the rest of the population without some penalty.5 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
What about the guards and other people who work in the prisons?6 -
We've had a cold in our family. I know it's a cold, we've all had sneezing and stuffy heads with fatigue and a little bit of a sore throat early on. No loss of taste, no fever. Boyfriend and I are more or less over it and feel fine eight days on. Girlfriend has COPD and I am kind of staying ready today in case she needs to go to the hospital because just using her rescue inhaler isn't working any more. It's obviously hit her WAY harder than everyone else.
And yes, I've stayed out of the general populace. All I did was to pick up necessary medications through the drivethrough, so no one else got this. Much wiping down of surfaces, and when I finally go to the store I'll glove as well as mask.
But when I first started to feel sick I just absolutely panicked. I only settled down when I had it pointed out to me repeatedly that upper respiratory symptoms are probably just a cold. And it has largely run its course in seven days, so it probably just was.6 -
snowflake954 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
What about the guards and other people who work in the prisons?
Basic check on reporting for duty each day. Temperature checks and hand sanitizing before entering is the bare minimum at every institution around here, and you aren't allowed in to work if the temperature is above the threshold.
Also we expect honest declarations from persons who've traveled to high risk places while on holiday, before returning to work. I suppose you'd need some variation of this in countries where there's a lot of local spread.5 -
snowflake954 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
What about the guards and other people who work in the prisons?
Basic check on reporting for duty each day. Temperature checks and hand sanitizing before entering is the bare minimum at every institution around here, and you aren't allowed in to work if the temperature is above the threshold.
Also we expect honest declarations from persons who've traveled to high risk places while on holiday, before returning to work. I suppose you'd need some variation of this in countries where there's a lot of local spread.
We just had a big new outbreak in a prison here. In daily checks, a staff member was found to have symptoms, and was sent home, and others quarantined. But the virus had already taken hold. Keep in mind that people can be shedding virus (i.e., contagious) before symptoms are present. Then, spread is fast in a close-quarters environment like this. This sort of thing is almost inevitable in places where there is significant community spread in the community from which the employees are drawn.
Currently, of 327 employees, 112 are currently off work as a consequence of this outbreak (tested positive, under investigation, or close contacts). 457 prisoners have tested positive, and a further 225 positive cases were transferred to another prison (because of the staffing shortage, I believe) and isolated from other inmates at that 2nd prison.7 -
snowflake954 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
What about the guards and other people who work in the prisons?
Basic check on reporting for duty each day. Temperature checks and hand sanitizing before entering is the bare minimum at every institution around here, and you aren't allowed in to work if the temperature is above the threshold.
Also we expect honest declarations from persons who've traveled to high risk places while on holiday, before returning to work. I suppose you'd need some variation of this in countries where there's a lot of local spread.
We just had a big new outbreak in a prison here. In daily checks, a staff member was found to have symptoms, and was sent home, and others quarantined. But the virus had already taken hold. Keep in mind that people can be shedding virus (i.e., contagious) before symptoms are present. Then, spread is fast in a close-quarters environment like this. This sort of thing is almost inevitable in places where there is significant community spread in the community from which the employees are drawn.
Currently, of 327 employees, 112 are currently off work as a consequence of this outbreak (tested positive, under investigation, or close contacts). 457 prisoners have tested positive, and a further 225 positive cases were transferred to another prison (because of the staffing shortage, I believe) and isolated from other inmates at that 2nd prison.
Yes. Just my point - "in places where there is significant community spread in the community from which the employees are drawn" it would be difficult to control. If it starts, it's hard to stop. So the secret is to block community spread from ever starting. But I agree that's easier in a small country than a large one.
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snowflake954 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
What about the guards and other people who work in the prisons?
Basic check on reporting for duty each day. Temperature checks and hand sanitizing before entering is the bare minimum at every institution around here, and you aren't allowed in to work if the temperature is above the threshold.
Also we expect honest declarations from persons who've traveled to high risk places while on holiday, before returning to work. I suppose you'd need some variation of this in countries where there's a lot of local spread.
We just had a big new outbreak in a prison here. In daily checks, a staff member was found to have symptoms, and was sent home, and others quarantined. But the virus had already taken hold. Keep in mind that people can be shedding virus (i.e., contagious) before symptoms are present. Then, spread is fast in a close-quarters environment like this. This sort of thing is almost inevitable in places where there is significant community spread in the community from which the employees are drawn.
Currently, of 327 employees, 112 are currently off work as a consequence of this outbreak (tested positive, under investigation, or close contacts). 457 prisoners have tested positive, and a further 225 positive cases were transferred to another prison (because of the staffing shortage, I believe) and isolated from other inmates at that 2nd prison.
Yes. Just my point - "in places where there is significant community spread in the community from which the employees are drawn" it would be difficult to control. If it starts, it's hard to stop. So the secret is to block community spread from ever starting. But I agree that's easier in a small country than a large one.
Interestingly, this current prison outbreak of Covid is happening in an area (upper peninsula of Michigan. Marquette specifically) that's quite sparsely populated, and geographically pretty isolated. . . but believed to be somewhat more in "mask rebel" kind of region, oversimplifying the politics/sociology. It's in one of the parts of this state that's now seeing higher levels of virus (cases per population count).
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
You can't quarantine the guards and other workers for 14 days before each entrance to the prison.6 -
snowflake954 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »I do hope you all will be safe. Disagree whatever. I still think if you are fine spreading it around you deserve to be in jail.
I was the first person to disagree with your post about prison for those not complying. I don't believe that is the answer. So I disagree.
I social distance and wear a mask. I haven't been to a restaurant or inside a store since March. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not doing the right thing. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't prison.
Ditto.
If nothing else, prisons are generally great breeding grounds for contagious diseases. @mockchoc may think that's just karma, but this is a "no man is an island" situation -- you can't add to the pool of contagion and think you won't be untouched. In many places in the U.S., they were doing early paroles, release of nonviolent offenders, etc., to try to reduce prison crowding a few months back.
Prison wouldn't be a COVID19 problem if you put proper protocols in place for new entrants.
COVID test on entering, and 14 day confinement away from the other prisoners, followed by a second COVID test for confirmation.
What about the guards and other people who work in the prisons?
Basic check on reporting for duty each day. Temperature checks and hand sanitizing before entering is the bare minimum at every institution around here, and you aren't allowed in to work if the temperature is above the threshold.
Also we expect honest declarations from persons who've traveled to high risk places while on holiday, before returning to work. I suppose you'd need some variation of this in countries where there's a lot of local spread.
People can be infectious with covid while asymptomatic, including not running a temperature. Perhaps this works in a country or region without significant community spread. It wouldn't work where I am (in the U.S.).
I think fitting people who won't obey a quarantine order with an ankle monitor that will start announcing very loudly "WARNING: I HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO COVID. I COULD EXPOSE YOU TO COVID" if they leave their homes would be a good solution. 12
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