Coronavirus prep
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This is a good overview of how various countries are doing at managing the pandemic. The New Zealand number is off from what gets reported to the WHO, but I think it's only counting local transmission, not all the cases contracted oversees.
https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries4 -
I have a feeling somewhere back in the multiple pages of this thread something about plasma donation. Plasma taken from recovered Covid cases is apparently helpful in treating severe cases.
Does anyone have any insights as to why it’s necessary for plasma donors to be substantially overweight? Is it a blood volume issue?
My daughter registered her interest in plasma donation as soon as she recovered and received a call from the National Blood Transfusion Service this evening. Amongst the eligibility questions asked were height and weight.
She is 5’5” and around 9st. So her BMI is about midway in the normal BMI range.
They told her she couldn’t donate, and in fact told her that as a woman of 5ft 5ins she’d need to be at least 12st 2lbs! That’s towards the top end of an overweight BMI.
To me, that’s just crazy! 🤯5 -
Some more information that came out today and a link abotu the Oxford vaccine.
Oxford vaccine:
https://ca.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27B0L7
The US has seen almost half a million new coronavirus cases in one week as the dreaded fall surge continues to grow, and some places could be close to what former FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb called “an exponential spread.” That’s not the only bad news: A new British study has shown a decline in coronavirus antibodies over three months -- a sign that immunity to Covid-19 wanes. This aligns with other studies that showed people who tested positive but had no symptoms are likely to lose antibodies faster than people with more severe symptoms. The American Academy of Pediatrics says it's seen a 14% increase in child Covid-19 cases over the last two weeks, and pediatric cases now make up more than 10% of all US cases.
It does seem likely that it will require a specifically engineered vaccine to provide lasting immunity, and it might take a booster or two to make it stick long term.
Also, I heard a discussion on the antibody cocktail Trump received. The antibodies are not expected to teach your body to create it's own antibodies, in fact your body most likely won't since the injected antibodies eliminate the virus before your body has the chance to "learn". So it's expected the antibody cocktail will only provide a few months of protection until those antibodies are gone and then you are susceptible again.
I saw an article online about the Regeneron cocktail, but I haven't had a chance to read it in detail. It is my understanding that the monoclonal antibodies were not supposed to have a lasting effect, and that the present therapeuticals were only designed to control the virus and infection as early as possible, and before it really "attacks" the body. I need to talk with some of my colleagues about it.
I will not be surprised if all or most of the vaccines will need a second dose to increase immunity. Not ideal and hard for compliance, but maybe what is needed until the scientist determine why is so hard to develop lasting immunity with this darn virus.
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BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »I have a feeling somewhere back in the multiple pages of this thread something about plasma donation. Plasma taken from recovered Covid cases is apparently helpful in treating severe cases.
Does anyone have any insights as to why it’s necessary for plasma donors to be substantially overweight? Is it a blood volume issue?
My daughter registered her interest in plasma donation as soon as she recovered and received a call from the National Blood Transfusion Service this evening. Amongst the eligibility questions asked were height and weight.
She is 5’5” and around 9st. So her BMI is about midway in the normal BMI range.
They told her she couldn’t donate, and in fact told her that as a woman of 5ft 5ins she’d need to be at least 12st 2lbs! That’s towards the top end of an overweight BMI.
To me, that’s just crazy! 🤯
I searched for eligibility criteria for donating plasma after COVID-19 infection, but I didn't find anything related to BMI. In India, a donor has to be above 50kg to donate, and older than 17 years old. That is the only info that I saw related to weight.
However, even if donations are still recommended, so far the results have not been clinically significant. Probably because immunity doesn't seem to be very lasting or impressive according with the latest research. See the article below.
Study finds that plasma of recovered Covid-19 patients is of limited use as a treatment
Convalescent plasma, which delivers antibodies from Covid-19 survivors to infected people, failed to reduce death rates or halt progression
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/23/study-finds-plasma-recovered-covid-19-patients-limited-use-treatment/
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From Dr. Sanjay Gupta
Why we won’t feel the full impact of vaccines until next year
There’s a lot of hope pinned to vaccines, but it’s important that people understand that even if a vaccine is authorized soon, we won’t fully feel the effects of it until next year. It will take time to vaccinate the initial groups of people and frontline workers with the required two doses that many of the early vaccine candidates require, according to former US Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb.
“The vaccine is not going to affect the contours of what we’re going to go through in the next two or three months,” he said.
So even if we have a vaccine, we won’t be able to let up on masking and physical distancing in the near future.
What’s also important to note is that we won’t know from the vaccine trials if these vaccines will actually save lives. Rather, the ongoing trials are only designed to show if the vaccines prevent infection – and most infections are mild, said Peter Doshi, a drug development specialist at the University of Maryland.
"None of the trials currently under way are designed to detect a reduction in any serious outcome such as hospital admissions, use of intensive care, or deaths. Nor are the vaccines being studied to determine whether they can interrupt transmission of the virus," Doshi wrote in the the medical journal BMJ.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said this week, “The primary thing you want to do is that if people get infected, prevent them from getting sick, and if you prevent them from getting sick, you will ultimately prevent them from getting seriously ill.”
Fauci agreed that a vaccine which prevents infection would be even better.
“If the vaccine also allows you to prevent initial infection, that would be great,” he said, “But what I would settle for – and all of my colleagues would settle for – is the primary endpoint to prevent clinically recognizable disease.”
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This is a paid article for some, but it's concerning. Saying that many that get Covid-19 are long-term like Lupus patients, where the body starts attacking itself.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/health/covid-antibodies-autoimmunity.html
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.21.20216192v16 -
We voted by mail a few weeks ago and I've checked online to see that our ballots were accepted, and those of my mother and brother. (The majority of states have this capacity.)
Today while getting an iron infusion, election day being a week away came up and I helped my nurse make a plan to vote by letting her know how to find her early voting and election day voting locations. (This was a completely apolitical conversation.)9 -
BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »I have a feeling somewhere back in the multiple pages of this thread something about plasma donation. Plasma taken from recovered Covid cases is apparently helpful in treating severe cases.
Does anyone have any insights as to why it’s necessary for plasma donors to be substantially overweight? Is it a blood volume issue?
My daughter registered her interest in plasma donation as soon as she recovered and received a call from the National Blood Transfusion Service this evening. Amongst the eligibility questions asked were height and weight.
She is 5’5” and around 9st. So her BMI is about midway in the normal BMI range.
They told her she couldn’t donate, and in fact told her that as a woman of 5ft 5ins she’d need to be at least 12st 2lbs! That’s towards the top end of an overweight BMI.
To me, that’s just crazy! 🤯
I searched for eligibility criteria for donating plasma after COVID-19 infection, but I didn't find anything related to BMI. In India, a donor has to be above 50kg to donate, and older than 17 years old. That is the only info that I saw related to weight.
110 is a standard lower limit for blood donations in the US too. I've seen it often.1 -
BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »I have a feeling somewhere back in the multiple pages of this thread something about plasma donation. Plasma taken from recovered Covid cases is apparently helpful in treating severe cases.
Does anyone have any insights as to why it’s necessary for plasma donors to be substantially overweight? Is it a blood volume issue?
My daughter registered her interest in plasma donation as soon as she recovered and received a call from the National Blood Transfusion Service this evening. Amongst the eligibility questions asked were height and weight.
She is 5’5” and around 9st. So her BMI is about midway in the normal BMI range.
They told her she couldn’t donate, and in fact told her that as a woman of 5ft 5ins she’d need to be at least 12st 2lbs! That’s towards the top end of an overweight BMI.
To me, that’s just crazy! 🤯
I searched for eligibility criteria for donating plasma after COVID-19 infection, but I didn't find anything related to BMI. In India, a donor has to be above 50kg to donate, and older than 17 years old. That is the only info that I saw related to weight.
110 is a standard lower limit for blood donations in the US too. I've seen it often.
Agree, that is why I can't donate blood
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kshama2001 wrote: »We voted by mail a few weeks ago and I've checked online to see that our ballots were accepted, and those of my mother and brother. (The majority of states have this capacity.)
Today while getting an iron infusion, election day being a week away came up and I helped my nurse make a plan to vote by letting her know how to find her early voting and election day voting locations. (This was a completely apolitical conversation.)
Heh, we had something due on this coming Monday, and a co-worker suggested we ask for an extension to Wednesday. I freaked and said "no, that's the day after election day" and he immediately conceded that I was correct. (The other side subsequently asked for an extension until the following Monday anyway.) I am taking next Wednesday as a holiday/sick day/whatever.
My trainer (whom I work with remotely) has been pushing co-workers to vote (lots of them are young ones), and I gave her the information about voting early downtown (just a few blocks from where they are, as well as where my office is), and she's been encouraging people to go during breaks. Everyone I know here is voting, but I've been encouraging people to check their registration and early vote in person (even though mail in is easy here, it's just in person gets counted first in this state). Not that we are a swing state, anyway (and of course you aren't either!).5 -
kshama2001 wrote: »We voted by mail a few weeks ago and I've checked online to see that our ballots were accepted, and those of my mother and brother. (The majority of states have this capacity.)
Today while getting an iron infusion, election day being a week away came up and I helped my nurse make a plan to vote by letting her know how to find her early voting and election day voting locations. (This was a completely apolitical conversation.)
Heh, we had something due on this coming Monday, and a co-worker suggested we ask for an extension to Wednesday. I freaked and said "no, that's the day after election day" and he immediately conceded that I was correct. (The other side subsequently asked for an extension until the following Monday anyway.) I am taking next Wednesday as a holiday/sick day/whatever.
My trainer (whom I work with remotely) has been pushing co-workers to vote (lots of them are young ones), and I gave her the information about voting early downtown (just a few blocks from where they are, as well as where my office is), and she's been encouraging people to go during breaks. Everyone I know here is voting, but I've been encouraging people to check their registration and early vote in person (even though mail in is easy here, it's just in person gets counted first in this state). Not that we are a swing state, anyway (and of course you aren't either!).
But Election day is always on the first Tuesday in November (on 11/03 this year). Did COVID changed it to Wednesday or are you taking that day off to relax or to recuperate from Tuesday's results, what ever they may be..
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MikePfirrman wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »@Gisel2015 - Yes, she does magnesium "oil" (magnesium dissolved in purified water) often. It's a trick we learned when she had severe fibromyalgia. It has helped some but until she got her blood sugar down, little was helping.
I can relate to what you went through with the OJ. She made chili last night and was talking about loading it up with saltines. I'm like, we don't need the saltines. It has beans in it already and we don't need a lot of crackers in it. I think she believes me about it but I can't wait till the doctor appointment and possibly to sit down with a Dietician. It won't be too hard for us, she quickly gave up a lot when she had Fibromyalgia to get out of pain but she held on to her sugar, just not realizing how much she was taking in.
I'm sorry @snowflake954 to hear about Italy again. So many places are like that in the US now, except I can't see us locking down again. We just have to decide what's worth it and protect ourselves. I wish masks were obligatory here. I just heard Russia made them mandatory yesterday as well. People would riot here if you make masks mandatory. Such emotional immaturity here.
Oh man, I would not eat saltines if you paid me! Different people are different obviously but I was shocked at how much they spiked my bg.
One thing I wish someone had told me when I first got my type 2 diagnosis - a lot of the time doctors won’t give you a meter if you’re type 2. Get one if you have to use your own money, and use it often until you learn your own tolerances! Funny how those saltines seem so little when they cross your mouth but not so little when you’re looking at 160 bg an hour later. And some of the canned goods which look bad on paper because of the added sugar turn out to be just fine because the added fat makes them hit your bloodstream more slowly. Every diabetic is different! Of course still crossing my fingers your wife doesn’t have it, but...
Honestly if she does have it, a lot of the symptoms of uncontrolled bg for me were similar to fibromyalgia. My hands and feet used to hurt a lot but it was just the glucose. And getting it under control feels so much better.
We're gluten free, because I'm Celiac, which is worse, believe it or not. GF products are loaded with rice and corn starch instead of wheat. I'm going to likely lean a bit on your insight. Been reading through the Diabetic support group. Thanks!
@MikePfirrman another direction you can look at are Keto foods/recipes. When doing Keto, wheat is not replaced with rice and corn. There are all different non-carb replacements you can check out. Somewhere I have a great keto cracker recipe that is all seeds, including chia w/ water as a binder. I've cooked gluten free at times for family, and I personally did keto for 6 weeks in 2018. There could be some useful substitutions for you.3 -
kshama2001 wrote: »We voted by mail a few weeks ago and I've checked online to see that our ballots were accepted, and those of my mother and brother. (The majority of states have this capacity.)
Today while getting an iron infusion, election day being a week away came up and I helped my nurse make a plan to vote by letting her know how to find her early voting and election day voting locations. (This was a completely apolitical conversation.)
Heh, we had something due on this coming Monday, and a co-worker suggested we ask for an extension to Wednesday. I freaked and said "no, that's the day after election day" and he immediately conceded that I was correct. (The other side subsequently asked for an extension until the following Monday anyway.) I am taking next Wednesday as a holiday/sick day/whatever.
My trainer (whom I work with remotely) has been pushing co-workers to vote (lots of them are young ones), and I gave her the information about voting early downtown (just a few blocks from where they are, as well as where my office is), and she's been encouraging people to go during breaks. Everyone I know here is voting, but I've been encouraging people to check their registration and early vote in person (even though mail in is easy here, it's just in person gets counted first in this state). Not that we are a swing state, anyway (and of course you aren't either!).
But Election day is always on the first Tuesday in November (on 11/03 this year). Did COVID changed it to Wednesday or are you taking that day off to relax or to recuperate from Tuesday's results, what ever they may be.. )
Yes, I already voted. Wednesday is recovery for staying up forever watching returns. (Note I said above "that's the day after election day.")5 -
kshama2001 wrote: »We voted by mail a few weeks ago and I've checked online to see that our ballots were accepted, and those of my mother and brother. (The majority of states have this capacity.)
Today while getting an iron infusion, election day being a week away came up and I helped my nurse make a plan to vote by letting her know how to find her early voting and election day voting locations. (This was a completely apolitical conversation.)
Heh, we had something due on this coming Monday, and a co-worker suggested we ask for an extension to Wednesday. I freaked and said "no, that's the day after election day" and he immediately conceded that I was correct. (The other side subsequently asked for an extension until the following Monday anyway.) I am taking next Wednesday as a holiday/sick day/whatever.
My trainer (whom I work with remotely) has been pushing co-workers to vote (lots of them are young ones), and I gave her the information about voting early downtown (just a few blocks from where they are, as well as where my office is), and she's been encouraging people to go during breaks. Everyone I know here is voting, but I've been encouraging people to check their registration and early vote in person (even though mail in is easy here, it's just in person gets counted first in this state). Not that we are a swing state, anyway (and of course you aren't either!).
But Election day is always on the first Tuesday in November (on 11/03 this year). Did COVID changed it to Wednesday or are you taking that day off to relax or to recuperate from Tuesday's results, what ever they may be.. )
I didnt know US election day was always first Tues in November - that's Melbourne Cup day here in Australia -the horse race that suppossedly stops the nation, always first Tues in November.
am finding it strangely amusing how both these events are always same day
(voting here is always a Saturday)
sorry, totally off topic from Covid.
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So... I may have had an exposure this past weekend. Getting tested tomorrow morning (yay for free testing for all residents in my city). Would rather get tested and get a negative, then not get tested and be positive and not know about it. If I have symptoms then they are mild and hiding behind the horrible fall allergies I have been dealing with. I have literally had a cough for a month at this point.
Still... I admit I am nervous. I am high risk and my immune system is already stressed. We will see and hope I guess.24 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »@Gisel2015 - Yes, she does magnesium "oil" (magnesium dissolved in purified water) often. It's a trick we learned when she had severe fibromyalgia. It has helped some but until she got her blood sugar down, little was helping.
I can relate to what you went through with the OJ. She made chili last night and was talking about loading it up with saltines. I'm like, we don't need the saltines. It has beans in it already and we don't need a lot of crackers in it. I think she believes me about it but I can't wait till the doctor appointment and possibly to sit down with a Dietician. It won't be too hard for us, she quickly gave up a lot when she had Fibromyalgia to get out of pain but she held on to her sugar, just not realizing how much she was taking in.
I'm sorry @snowflake954 to hear about Italy again. So many places are like that in the US now, except I can't see us locking down again. We just have to decide what's worth it and protect ourselves. I wish masks were obligatory here. I just heard Russia made them mandatory yesterday as well. People would riot here if you make masks mandatory. Such emotional immaturity here.
Oh man, I would not eat saltines if you paid me! Different people are different obviously but I was shocked at how much they spiked my bg.
One thing I wish someone had told me when I first got my type 2 diagnosis - a lot of the time doctors won’t give you a meter if you’re type 2. Get one if you have to use your own money, and use it often until you learn your own tolerances! Funny how those saltines seem so little when they cross your mouth but not so little when you’re looking at 160 bg an hour later. And some of the canned goods which look bad on paper because of the added sugar turn out to be just fine because the added fat makes them hit your bloodstream more slowly. Every diabetic is different! Of course still crossing my fingers your wife doesn’t have it, but...
Honestly if she does have it, a lot of the symptoms of uncontrolled bg for me were similar to fibromyalgia. My hands and feet used to hurt a lot but it was just the glucose. And getting it under control feels so much better.
We're gluten free, because I'm Celiac, which is worse, believe it or not. GF products are loaded with rice and corn starch instead of wheat. I'm going to likely lean a bit on your insight. Been reading through the Diabetic support group. Thanks!
@MikePfirrman another direction you can look at are Keto foods/recipes. When doing Keto, wheat is not replaced with rice and corn. There are all different non-carb replacements you can check out. Somewhere I have a great keto cracker recipe that is all seeds, including chia w/ water as a binder. I've cooked gluten free at times for family, and I personally did keto for 6 weeks in 2018. There could be some useful substitutions for you.
Yes, keto is a great idea. Or you could do what I've done and go keto carnivore. If you only eat animals, then it should be gluten free. You only have to be careful to avoid heavily processed meats that have additives... but then eating real food instead of factory food is generally considered more ideal anyway.3 -
Dyer County, TN (northwest TN) has a mask mandate again, started 10/22. It wasn't enforced in Sept. before it expired (Sept. 28), and I have no expectation that anyone will enforce it now. But it is a nice idea in theory. I saw 2 deputies on Sunday not wearing masks... if the county law enforcement won't even follow the county mask mandate, why should I think anyone else will?
ETA: This time, it expires at the end of the year.6 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »@Gisel2015 - Yes, she does magnesium "oil" (magnesium dissolved in purified water) often. It's a trick we learned when she had severe fibromyalgia. It has helped some but until she got her blood sugar down, little was helping.
I can relate to what you went through with the OJ. She made chili last night and was talking about loading it up with saltines. I'm like, we don't need the saltines. It has beans in it already and we don't need a lot of crackers in it. I think she believes me about it but I can't wait till the doctor appointment and possibly to sit down with a Dietician. It won't be too hard for us, she quickly gave up a lot when she had Fibromyalgia to get out of pain but she held on to her sugar, just not realizing how much she was taking in.
I'm sorry @snowflake954 to hear about Italy again. So many places are like that in the US now, except I can't see us locking down again. We just have to decide what's worth it and protect ourselves. I wish masks were obligatory here. I just heard Russia made them mandatory yesterday as well. People would riot here if you make masks mandatory. Such emotional immaturity here.
Oh man, I would not eat saltines if you paid me! Different people are different obviously but I was shocked at how much they spiked my bg.
One thing I wish someone had told me when I first got my type 2 diagnosis - a lot of the time doctors won’t give you a meter if you’re type 2. Get one if you have to use your own money, and use it often until you learn your own tolerances! Funny how those saltines seem so little when they cross your mouth but not so little when you’re looking at 160 bg an hour later. And some of the canned goods which look bad on paper because of the added sugar turn out to be just fine because the added fat makes them hit your bloodstream more slowly. Every diabetic is different! Of course still crossing my fingers your wife doesn’t have it, but...
Honestly if she does have it, a lot of the symptoms of uncontrolled bg for me were similar to fibromyalgia. My hands and feet used to hurt a lot but it was just the glucose. And getting it under control feels so much better.
We're gluten free, because I'm Celiac, which is worse, believe it or not. GF products are loaded with rice and corn starch instead of wheat. I'm going to likely lean a bit on your insight. Been reading through the Diabetic support group. Thanks!
@MikePfirrman another direction you can look at are Keto foods/recipes. When doing Keto, wheat is not replaced with rice and corn. There are all different non-carb replacements you can check out. Somewhere I have a great keto cracker recipe that is all seeds, including chia w/ water as a binder. I've cooked gluten free at times for family, and I personally did keto for 6 weeks in 2018. There could be some useful substitutions for you.
Yes, keto is a great idea. Or you could do what I've done and go keto carnivore. If you only eat animals, then it should be gluten free. You only have to be careful to avoid heavily processed meats that have additives... but then eating real food instead of factory food is generally considered more ideal anyway.
The qualification I would give about Keto Carnivore, which was pretty much where I was at when forced to stop, is if one has any constipation type issues it can be a problem. In my last days, I was at 1-2g carbs/day. Had the worst hemorrhoid blow out of my life that literally lasted months (happened in July) and led to a non-negotiable hemorroidectomy in December. There were days I could not walk, and heck with any possible exercise. I also went very acidic resulting in burning urine. Thought I had a urinary tract infection and went to the doctor - nope just very acidic urine. Obviously, it works for many many people and I thought it was going to be for me as well. Apparently, my body or my method was not right for it. Glad you have found success with it @T1DCarnivoreRunner ! I still love many aspects of what I learned doing keto and steal from it from time to time while keeping my carbs at the lower end.5 -
@SModa61 Keto can be a balancing act for sure. While I have never eaten much under 50 grams of carbs when doing keto I find I need to 1-2 grams of actual magnesium to avoid morning leg cramps and and constipation. My current focus on my gut microbiome health has my carbs up due to eat more whole foods. I start the day with an apple, whole kiwi, one large plum, a banana, tablespoon of honey and 16 oz of pomegranate juice that I do not do when doing Keto. Otherwise my food intake are keto way of eating foods. Taking Vit D3 increases magnesium intake demands.4
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »@GaleHawkins Can you tell me why a second and third wave can be worse than the first? Curious what factors lead to this. TIA
Probably not the scientific reason but would think virus fatigue would come into play. People tired of masks, social distancing etc.
https://theconversation.com/in-rural-america-resentment-over-covid-19-shutdowns-is-colliding-with-rising-case-numbers-148310
This supports what you posted.
Early blanket lock downs leading to fatigue seems to be leading to extra Covid-19 deaths in rural America today perhaps.1 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »@Gisel2015 - Yes, she does magnesium "oil" (magnesium dissolved in purified water) often. It's a trick we learned when she had severe fibromyalgia. It has helped some but until she got her blood sugar down, little was helping.
I can relate to what you went through with the OJ. She made chili last night and was talking about loading it up with saltines. I'm like, we don't need the saltines. It has beans in it already and we don't need a lot of crackers in it. I think she believes me about it but I can't wait till the doctor appointment and possibly to sit down with a Dietician. It won't be too hard for us, she quickly gave up a lot when she had Fibromyalgia to get out of pain but she held on to her sugar, just not realizing how much she was taking in.
I'm sorry @snowflake954 to hear about Italy again. So many places are like that in the US now, except I can't see us locking down again. We just have to decide what's worth it and protect ourselves. I wish masks were obligatory here. I just heard Russia made them mandatory yesterday as well. People would riot here if you make masks mandatory. Such emotional immaturity here.
Oh man, I would not eat saltines if you paid me! Different people are different obviously but I was shocked at how much they spiked my bg.
One thing I wish someone had told me when I first got my type 2 diagnosis - a lot of the time doctors won’t give you a meter if you’re type 2. Get one if you have to use your own money, and use it often until you learn your own tolerances! Funny how those saltines seem so little when they cross your mouth but not so little when you’re looking at 160 bg an hour later. And some of the canned goods which look bad on paper because of the added sugar turn out to be just fine because the added fat makes them hit your bloodstream more slowly. Every diabetic is different! Of course still crossing my fingers your wife doesn’t have it, but...
Honestly if she does have it, a lot of the symptoms of uncontrolled bg for me were similar to fibromyalgia. My hands and feet used to hurt a lot but it was just the glucose. And getting it under control feels so much better.
We're gluten free, because I'm Celiac, which is worse, believe it or not. GF products are loaded with rice and corn starch instead of wheat. I'm going to likely lean a bit on your insight. Been reading through the Diabetic support group. Thanks!
@MikePfirrman another direction you can look at are Keto foods/recipes. When doing Keto, wheat is not replaced with rice and corn. There are all different non-carb replacements you can check out. Somewhere I have a great keto cracker recipe that is all seeds, including chia w/ water as a binder. I've cooked gluten free at times for family, and I personally did keto for 6 weeks in 2018. There could be some useful substitutions for you.
Yes, keto is a great idea. Or you could do what I've done and go keto carnivore. If you only eat animals, then it should be gluten free. You only have to be careful to avoid heavily processed meats that have additives... but then eating real food instead of factory food is generally considered more ideal anyway.
The qualification I would give about Keto Carnivore, which was pretty much where I was at when forced to stop, is if one has any constipation type issues it can be a problem. In my last days, I was at 1-2g carbs/day. Had the worst hemorrhoid blow out of my life that literally lasted months (happened in July) and led to a non-negotiable hemorroidectomy in December. There were days I could not walk, and heck with any possible exercise. I also went very acidic resulting in burning urine. Thought I had a urinary tract infection and went to the doctor - nope just very acidic urine. Obviously, it works for many many people and I thought it was going to be for me as well. Apparently, my body or my method was not right for it. Glad you have found success with it @T1DCarnivoreRunner ! I still love many aspects of what I learned doing keto and steal from it from time to time while keeping my carbs at the lower end.
Thanks all, yeah, I'm looking at lower carb stuff like keto (for recipes mostly, not as a lifestyle). Her numbers came back yesterday. Said it was borderline, so we caught it early. Have a follow up appointment with the doc. We want to talk about all the symptoms she was showing. My guess would be her numbers improved to borderline normal because of all the sugars we've cut out already.
We were leaning heavily toward more plant based before all of this. I'm very familiar with Keto and Carnivore (I'm an indoor rower and know Shawn Baker before he got known for Carnivore). I'm just not sure that's for us. I'd rather try to stick with lower GI foods knowing what I know about the microbiome.
I appreciate all the ideas. I have a really difficult time on really low carbs. Tried it years ago and felt absolutely hideous. I would guess because my training is rigorous. Some do great with it, I'm not one of those folks.5 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »@Gisel2015 - Yes, she does magnesium "oil" (magnesium dissolved in purified water) often. It's a trick we learned when she had severe fibromyalgia. It has helped some but until she got her blood sugar down, little was helping.
I can relate to what you went through with the OJ. She made chili last night and was talking about loading it up with saltines. I'm like, we don't need the saltines. It has beans in it already and we don't need a lot of crackers in it. I think she believes me about it but I can't wait till the doctor appointment and possibly to sit down with a Dietician. It won't be too hard for us, she quickly gave up a lot when she had Fibromyalgia to get out of pain but she held on to her sugar, just not realizing how much she was taking in.
I'm sorry @snowflake954 to hear about Italy again. So many places are like that in the US now, except I can't see us locking down again. We just have to decide what's worth it and protect ourselves. I wish masks were obligatory here. I just heard Russia made them mandatory yesterday as well. People would riot here if you make masks mandatory. Such emotional immaturity here.
Oh man, I would not eat saltines if you paid me! Different people are different obviously but I was shocked at how much they spiked my bg.
One thing I wish someone had told me when I first got my type 2 diagnosis - a lot of the time doctors won’t give you a meter if you’re type 2. Get one if you have to use your own money, and use it often until you learn your own tolerances! Funny how those saltines seem so little when they cross your mouth but not so little when you’re looking at 160 bg an hour later. And some of the canned goods which look bad on paper because of the added sugar turn out to be just fine because the added fat makes them hit your bloodstream more slowly. Every diabetic is different! Of course still crossing my fingers your wife doesn’t have it, but...
Honestly if she does have it, a lot of the symptoms of uncontrolled bg for me were similar to fibromyalgia. My hands and feet used to hurt a lot but it was just the glucose. And getting it under control feels so much better.
We're gluten free, because I'm Celiac, which is worse, believe it or not. GF products are loaded with rice and corn starch instead of wheat. I'm going to likely lean a bit on your insight. Been reading through the Diabetic support group. Thanks!
@MikePfirrman another direction you can look at are Keto foods/recipes. When doing Keto, wheat is not replaced with rice and corn. There are all different non-carb replacements you can check out. Somewhere I have a great keto cracker recipe that is all seeds, including chia w/ water as a binder. I've cooked gluten free at times for family, and I personally did keto for 6 weeks in 2018. There could be some useful substitutions for you.
Yes, keto is a great idea. Or you could do what I've done and go keto carnivore. If you only eat animals, then it should be gluten free. You only have to be careful to avoid heavily processed meats that have additives... but then eating real food instead of factory food is generally considered more ideal anyway.
The qualification I would give about Keto Carnivore, which was pretty much where I was at when forced to stop, is if one has any constipation type issues it can be a problem. In my last days, I was at 1-2g carbs/day. Had the worst hemorrhoid blow out of my life that literally lasted months (happened in July) and led to a non-negotiable hemorroidectomy in December. There were days I could not walk, and heck with any possible exercise. I also went very acidic resulting in burning urine. Thought I had a urinary tract infection and went to the doctor - nope just very acidic urine. Obviously, it works for many many people and I thought it was going to be for me as well. Apparently, my body or my method was not right for it. Glad you have found success with it @T1DCarnivoreRunner ! I still love many aspects of what I learned doing keto and steal from it from time to time while keeping my carbs at the lower end.
Thanks all, yeah, I'm looking at lower carb stuff like keto (for recipes mostly, not as a lifestyle). Her numbers came back yesterday. Said it was borderline, so we caught it early. Have a follow up appointment with the doc. We want to talk about all the symptoms she was showing. My guess would be her numbers improved to borderline normal because of all the sugars we've cut out already.
We were leaning heavily toward more plant based before all of this. I'm very familiar with Keto and Carnivore (I'm an indoor rower and know Shawn Baker before he got known for Carnivore). I'm just not sure that's for us. I'd rather try to stick with lower GI foods knowing what I know about the microbiome.
I appreciate all the ideas. I have a really difficult time on really low carbs. Tried it years ago and felt absolutely hideous. I would guess because my training is rigorous. Some do great with it, I'm not one of those folks.
@MikePfirrman I was primarily directing you towards checking some of the bread type keto replacements. Again, the keto crackers are very plant based (sunflower seeds, sesame seeds, flaxseed, chia seed, pumpkin seed, spices and water) and an amazing base for avocado toast. Keto also has a recipe called cloud bread I think which is primarily egg whites. Now you got me thinking, I need to make me some crackers and buy some avocados.
Hubby is heading out the door for his Stop the Spread Massachusetts free COVID test. Sunday night he flew home from getting his mother re-established in florida. Massachusetts requires 14 day quarentine or negative test. We had him quarantine til today to increase test validity.2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »You are assuming that this virus was controllable. Viruses like sharks have been around longer than man and both seem to control the responses of man more than the other way around. It has been said from the get go this coming winter was going to be very hard but hopefully the experts are wrong. You are correct often the second and third waves are worse.
Out of the UK last week we heard Covid-19 may be with us for years to come. Keep in mind most of what we have heard since March 2020 has been filtered by non medical people.
We now understand the lack good health practices invites pandemics historically speaking.
It was. Several countries have done it/are doing it. But as the person above you said, it's too late for those that didn't get control of it early. The horse has well and truly bolted.
Will you please share the current Covid-19 stats for 3 of the several countries that you claim have done it/are doing it?
China has claimed the virus behind Covid-19 was the work of the USA and that may have some merit but most nations are pointing fingers towards mainland China. Assuming the virus did come from China once it was exported by plane directly to the USA west coast and to the east coast way of Italy medically speaking Covid-19 was not controllable in the USA or other countries period.
Today in the USA alone we are certain millions are walking around spreading the virus with no outward symptoms. A killer virus that can hide undetected by outward signs in infected humans is NOT controllable period. It can be Managed but not Controlled.
You are correct, managed is what I was meaning.
FWIW, New Zealand's current cases (as of yesterday). That one new case is someone in Managed Isolation (ie someone who has just arrived from overseas and is in mandatory MIQ for 14 days - yes, we have the audacity to confine anyone coming into the country to a 4/5 star hotel for a couple of weeks after arrival). The current community cases stem from someone who does some sort of repair work or something on ships, who contracted it on a ship they worked on recently, and close contacts of that person:
Australia is also doing well. The state of Victoria had a nasty re-emergence starting a few months back, and have just now come out of a very strict 12 week lockdown to get that under control (which they have).
Yes, both of these countries are islands. So's the UK. We most certainly had some advantages, but mostly our success in managing the pandemic was down to swift and decisive action by our leaders.
Thank you for this comment. So much in here that is important.7 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »@Gisel2015 - Yes, she does magnesium "oil" (magnesium dissolved in purified water) often. It's a trick we learned when she had severe fibromyalgia. It has helped some but until she got her blood sugar down, little was helping.
I can relate to what you went through with the OJ. She made chili last night and was talking about loading it up with saltines. I'm like, we don't need the saltines. It has beans in it already and we don't need a lot of crackers in it. I think she believes me about it but I can't wait till the doctor appointment and possibly to sit down with a Dietician. It won't be too hard for us, she quickly gave up a lot when she had Fibromyalgia to get out of pain but she held on to her sugar, just not realizing how much she was taking in.
I'm sorry @snowflake954 to hear about Italy again. So many places are like that in the US now, except I can't see us locking down again. We just have to decide what's worth it and protect ourselves. I wish masks were obligatory here. I just heard Russia made them mandatory yesterday as well. People would riot here if you make masks mandatory. Such emotional immaturity here.
Oh man, I would not eat saltines if you paid me! Different people are different obviously but I was shocked at how much they spiked my bg.
One thing I wish someone had told me when I first got my type 2 diagnosis - a lot of the time doctors won’t give you a meter if you’re type 2. Get one if you have to use your own money, and use it often until you learn your own tolerances! Funny how those saltines seem so little when they cross your mouth but not so little when you’re looking at 160 bg an hour later. And some of the canned goods which look bad on paper because of the added sugar turn out to be just fine because the added fat makes them hit your bloodstream more slowly. Every diabetic is different! Of course still crossing my fingers your wife doesn’t have it, but...
Honestly if she does have it, a lot of the symptoms of uncontrolled bg for me were similar to fibromyalgia. My hands and feet used to hurt a lot but it was just the glucose. And getting it under control feels so much better.
We're gluten free, because I'm Celiac, which is worse, believe it or not. GF products are loaded with rice and corn starch instead of wheat. I'm going to likely lean a bit on your insight. Been reading through the Diabetic support group. Thanks!
@MikePfirrman another direction you can look at are Keto foods/recipes. When doing Keto, wheat is not replaced with rice and corn. There are all different non-carb replacements you can check out. Somewhere I have a great keto cracker recipe that is all seeds, including chia w/ water as a binder. I've cooked gluten free at times for family, and I personally did keto for 6 weeks in 2018. There could be some useful substitutions for you.
Yes, keto is a great idea. Or you could do what I've done and go keto carnivore. If you only eat animals, then it should be gluten free. You only have to be careful to avoid heavily processed meats that have additives... but then eating real food instead of factory food is generally considered more ideal anyway.
The qualification I would give about Keto Carnivore, which was pretty much where I was at when forced to stop, is if one has any constipation type issues it can be a problem. In my last days, I was at 1-2g carbs/day. Had the worst hemorrhoid blow out of my life that literally lasted months (happened in July) and led to a non-negotiable hemorroidectomy in December. There were days I could not walk, and heck with any possible exercise. I also went very acidic resulting in burning urine. Thought I had a urinary tract infection and went to the doctor - nope just very acidic urine. Obviously, it works for many many people and I thought it was going to be for me as well. Apparently, my body or my method was not right for it. Glad you have found success with it @T1DCarnivoreRunner ! I still love many aspects of what I learned doing keto and steal from it from time to time while keeping my carbs at the lower end.
Thanks all, yeah, I'm looking at lower carb stuff like keto (for recipes mostly, not as a lifestyle). Her numbers came back yesterday. Said it was borderline, so we caught it early. Have a follow up appointment with the doc. We want to talk about all the symptoms she was showing. My guess would be her numbers improved to borderline normal because of all the sugars we've cut out already.
We were leaning heavily toward more plant based before all of this. I'm very familiar with Keto and Carnivore (I'm an indoor rower and know Shawn Baker before he got known for Carnivore). I'm just not sure that's for us. I'd rather try to stick with lower GI foods knowing what I know about the microbiome.
I appreciate all the ideas. I have a really difficult time on really low carbs. Tried it years ago and felt absolutely hideous. I would guess because my training is rigorous. Some do great with it, I'm not one of those folks.
@MikePfirrman I was primarily directing you towards checking some of the bread type keto replacements. Again, the keto crackers are very plant based (sunflower seeds, sesame seeds, flaxseed, chia seed, pumpkin seed, spices and water) and an amazing base for avocado toast. Keto also has a recipe called cloud bread I think which is primarily egg whites. Now you got me thinking, I need to make me some crackers and buy some avocados.
Hubby is heading out the door for his Stop the Spread Massachusetts free COVID test. Sunday night he flew home from getting his mother re-established in florida. Massachusetts requires 14 day quarentine or negative test. We had him quarantine til today to increase test validity.
I'm not keto, but I mostly don't eat things like crackers or bread (not worth the cals, IMO, and keto crackers seem like they would be higher cal than regular). Mainly, I tend to have one starchy food per meal -- i.e., if bread, no potato or chips or whatnot. So with a bean-based dish I'd not have crackers or bread. This is mostly just how I grew up eating. If keeping up the cals is a concern maybe switching to keto options would be helpful, but mostly one can eat higher fiber starches with protein and fat (beans are a great example) rather than needing to do low carb or keto for IR issues, I think.
There are exceptions, of course -- my sister and I had burgers and baked beans and corn on the 4th of July, and last Christmas I made a cassoulet which we had with garlic bread, among other sides. But that's holiday stuff.4 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »@Gisel2015 - Yes, she does magnesium "oil" (magnesium dissolved in purified water) often. It's a trick we learned when she had severe fibromyalgia. It has helped some but until she got her blood sugar down, little was helping.
I can relate to what you went through with the OJ. She made chili last night and was talking about loading it up with saltines. I'm like, we don't need the saltines. It has beans in it already and we don't need a lot of crackers in it. I think she believes me about it but I can't wait till the doctor appointment and possibly to sit down with a Dietician. It won't be too hard for us, she quickly gave up a lot when she had Fibromyalgia to get out of pain but she held on to her sugar, just not realizing how much she was taking in.
I'm sorry @snowflake954 to hear about Italy again. So many places are like that in the US now, except I can't see us locking down again. We just have to decide what's worth it and protect ourselves. I wish masks were obligatory here. I just heard Russia made them mandatory yesterday as well. People would riot here if you make masks mandatory. Such emotional immaturity here.
Oh man, I would not eat saltines if you paid me! Different people are different obviously but I was shocked at how much they spiked my bg.
One thing I wish someone had told me when I first got my type 2 diagnosis - a lot of the time doctors won’t give you a meter if you’re type 2. Get one if you have to use your own money, and use it often until you learn your own tolerances! Funny how those saltines seem so little when they cross your mouth but not so little when you’re looking at 160 bg an hour later. And some of the canned goods which look bad on paper because of the added sugar turn out to be just fine because the added fat makes them hit your bloodstream more slowly. Every diabetic is different! Of course still crossing my fingers your wife doesn’t have it, but...
Honestly if she does have it, a lot of the symptoms of uncontrolled bg for me were similar to fibromyalgia. My hands and feet used to hurt a lot but it was just the glucose. And getting it under control feels so much better.
We're gluten free, because I'm Celiac, which is worse, believe it or not. GF products are loaded with rice and corn starch instead of wheat. I'm going to likely lean a bit on your insight. Been reading through the Diabetic support group. Thanks!
@MikePfirrman another direction you can look at are Keto foods/recipes. When doing Keto, wheat is not replaced with rice and corn. There are all different non-carb replacements you can check out. Somewhere I have a great keto cracker recipe that is all seeds, including chia w/ water as a binder. I've cooked gluten free at times for family, and I personally did keto for 6 weeks in 2018. There could be some useful substitutions for you.
Yes, keto is a great idea. Or you could do what I've done and go keto carnivore. If you only eat animals, then it should be gluten free. You only have to be careful to avoid heavily processed meats that have additives... but then eating real food instead of factory food is generally considered more ideal anyway.
The qualification I would give about Keto Carnivore, which was pretty much where I was at when forced to stop, is if one has any constipation type issues it can be a problem. In my last days, I was at 1-2g carbs/day. Had the worst hemorrhoid blow out of my life that literally lasted months (happened in July) and led to a non-negotiable hemorroidectomy in December. There were days I could not walk, and heck with any possible exercise. I also went very acidic resulting in burning urine. Thought I had a urinary tract infection and went to the doctor - nope just very acidic urine. Obviously, it works for many many people and I thought it was going to be for me as well. Apparently, my body or my method was not right for it. Glad you have found success with it @T1DCarnivoreRunner ! I still love many aspects of what I learned doing keto and steal from it from time to time while keeping my carbs at the lower end.
Thanks all, yeah, I'm looking at lower carb stuff like keto (for recipes mostly, not as a lifestyle). Her numbers came back yesterday. Said it was borderline, so we caught it early. Have a follow up appointment with the doc. We want to talk about all the symptoms she was showing. My guess would be her numbers improved to borderline normal because of all the sugars we've cut out already.
We were leaning heavily toward more plant based before all of this. I'm very familiar with Keto and Carnivore (I'm an indoor rower and know Shawn Baker before he got known for Carnivore). I'm just not sure that's for us. I'd rather try to stick with lower GI foods knowing what I know about the microbiome.
I appreciate all the ideas. I have a really difficult time on really low carbs. Tried it years ago and felt absolutely hideous. I would guess because my training is rigorous. Some do great with it, I'm not one of those folks.
@MikePfirrman I was primarily directing you towards checking some of the bread type keto replacements. Again, the keto crackers are very plant based (sunflower seeds, sesame seeds, flaxseed, chia seed, pumpkin seed, spices and water) and an amazing base for avocado toast. Keto also has a recipe called cloud bread I think which is primarily egg whites. Now you got me thinking, I need to make me some crackers and buy some avocados.
Hubby is heading out the door for his Stop the Spread Massachusetts free COVID test. Sunday night he flew home from getting his mother re-established in florida. Massachusetts requires 14 day quarentine or negative test. We had him quarantine til today to increase test validity.
I'm not keto, but I mostly don't eat things like crackers or bread (not worth the cals, IMO, and keto crackers seem like they would be higher cal than regular). Mainly, I tend to have one starchy food per meal -- i.e., if bread, no potato or chips or whatnot. So with a bean-based dish I'd not have crackers or bread. This is mostly just how I grew up eating. If keeping up the cals is a concern maybe switching to keto options would be helpful, but mostly one can eat higher fiber starches with protein and fat (beans are a great example) rather than needing to do low carb or keto for IR issues, I think.
There are exceptions, of course -- my sister and I had burgers and baked beans and corn on the 4th of July, and last Christmas I made a cassoulet which we had with garlic bread, among other sides. But that's holiday stuff.
For the most part I am currently eating like you. But sometimes, you just need other options.
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I saw a headline that the BAA has said the Boston Marathon 2021 will not happen in April. It will be delayed until fall 2021 at best. This makes sense because Covid is still a real issue and will likely still be in April.5
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snowflake954 wrote: »In Italy we heard a report on the news yesterday that the Oxford vaccine (Italy is participating, as well as other countries) is working very well. In elderly individuals it is boosting their immunity to the disease higher than expected. The vaccine will go into production soon. First to get it will be health workers, police, and the very fragile. A massive vaccination campaign is scheduled for the spring.snowflake954 wrote: »In Italy we heard a report on the news yesterday that the Oxford vaccine (Italy is participating, as well as other countries) is working very well. In elderly individuals it is boosting their immunity to the disease higher than expected. The vaccine will go into production soon. First to get it will be health workers, police, and the very fragile. A massive vaccination campaign is scheduled for the spring.
This is good news indeed. Unfortunately there's a segment of the population who're against any type of vaccination campaign for any disease. That will effectively leave a few gaps, but hopefully the numbers will come down to something more manageable.2 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »You are assuming that this virus was controllable. Viruses like sharks have been around longer than man and both seem to control the responses of man more than the other way around. It has been said from the get go this coming winter was going to be very hard but hopefully the experts are wrong. You are correct often the second and third waves are worse.
Out of the UK last week we heard Covid-19 may be with us for years to come. Keep in mind most of what we have heard since March 2020 has been filtered by non medical people.
We now understand the lack good health practices invites pandemics historically speaking.
It was. Several countries have done it/are doing it. But as the person above you said, it's too late for those that didn't get control of it early. The horse has well and truly bolted.
Will you please share the current Covid-19 stats for 3 of the several countries that you claim have done it/are doing it?
China has claimed the virus behind Covid-19 was the work of the USA and that may have some merit but most nations are pointing fingers towards mainland China. Assuming the virus did come from China once it was exported by plane directly to the USA west coast and to the east coast way of Italy medically speaking Covid-19 was not controllable in the USA or other countries period.
Today in the USA alone we are certain millions are walking around spreading the virus with no outward symptoms. A killer virus that can hide undetected by outward signs in infected humans is NOT controllable period. It can be Managed but not Controlled.
This link https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ gives you all the up to date statistics for the whole world. If you scroll through the Country section, you will see some countries with very small numbers, some with slightly larger numbers but no active cases, and some with very few active cases at the moment. The objective at all times is to keep those few cases isolated away from the rest of the population so that there is NO COMMUNITY SPREAD.6 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I saw a headline that the BAA has said the Boston Marathon 2021 will not happen in April. It will be delayed until fall 2021 at best. This makes sense because Covid is still a real issue and will likely still be in April.
I'm in Massachusetts, so it obviously made this evening's news. One of the comments that can give us some hope is that with the extent of planning/organizing that must be done in advance, risk assessment is a piece of the puzzle leading to postponement. Now, those are my words for what I heard/understood. For a full disclosure, I have decided that I am an optimistic sceptic. ( ie I am always questioning, but tend to embrace positive news over negative - if that makes sense)3 -
Gotta love California. Our new guideline to get us through the holidays. Ha
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