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Re: Halloween
Weather was decent (last year we got 8" of snow) so I set up a bowl with treats and set it up at the end of my patio. I got cheap treat bags and put a few treats in each bag so the kids wouldn't be digging in the bowl, just grab a bag. I dressed up and sat on the patio six feet away so I could greet the kids but stay distanced. My neighbor took her kids out and said there weren't as many kids trick or treating and not as many homes had treats. She also said there weren't groups of kids like usual, mostly it was kids with a parent or two. Nobody was covid masked. I got the same number of kids as other years but the demographics were different . . . there were a lot of teenagers on bikes, some in costumes and some not. As long as I had candy for the little ones, I didn't care.
On the other hand, my night was made when Winnie the Pooh rolled up on a bike.
Oh, please say you have a picture of Winnie the Pooh on a bike!
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kshama2001 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »
How do you think that? Scofflaw?Theoldguy1 wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Gotta love California. Our new guideline to get us through the holidays. Ha
Sorry had to Google since I thought it was internet BS.
So what is done if someone waves a middle finger at one or all of the guidelines?
Nothing. It's not enforceable. They're just hoping that people will see the guidelines and be more thoughtful and cautious this season. Maybe try to adhere somewhat to it. Better than putting out no guidance at all and people just think it's business as usual.
Not enforceable law...there is no legislation and no statute. There is nothing for law enforcement to remotely hang their hat on by trying to enforce any of those things. They are guidelines and the best that can be hoped for is voluntary compliance. The government can't regulate whether or not you have family or friends over to your personal property in any number outside of noise ordinances and such...but even then, law enforcement would be walking a very fine line.
I've talked to some law enforcement as we have county sheriffs doing security at my office...they can't do anything...it's none of their business whether someone has granny and auntie and their cousins over to their own personal property for a BBQ...they don't have a legal leg to stand on trying to do that.
Different countries, different laws I guess. During the initial reopening after the lockdown earlier this year, we were told we couldn't have more than 3 persons come to the house who were not part of the same household. So it was okay to be a husband and wife with 8 children living there, which makes 10, but us as a family of 3 could only have a maximum of 3 visitors to our house which makes 6, although 6 is less than the big family of 10. And it was enforceable, just as the curfew before it was enforced.
I'm in the US, curious how this enforced? I mean curfew I can understand if someone is out past the curfew time the police can stop. How are activities in private homes monitored?
Very similar to activities in a club or a bar or restaurant. We've had a few prosecutions for exceeding the allowed numbers in clubs, lack of distancing in bars, and failure to enforce mask-wearing in restaurants.
No one is going to go around knocking on doors to check every house, but if there are 10 cars parked at my property, something is worth investigating.
But that's typically not the case. One can go into bars and restaurants and see what they are doing. One typically has no sign of law-breaking at private homes even where there are strict rules like those in CA. For example, here (which is likely one of the more compliant areas of the US overall), there were at one point some huge house parties, advertised online and otherwise, and those got shut down. These are huge and easy to detect if people are watching for them. (Worth noting -- and as Ann said, this is just the facts, not a political opinion -- that when that happened it was reported on Fox as if the mayor was crazily trying to shut down people having a few guests over, ignoring what "house party" meant in these cases.)
But if someone has several people over for a holiday party, there's going to be no obvious sign unless a neighbor is spying on your and calls the cops. This is especially true if (as normal this time of year, given the weather), the gathering is inside. Where I live, people don't have driveways and you can't pull up in front of the house, so there's no "10 car in front of the house" giveaway. I had a 20 person holiday party in December of last year (obv don't plan to this year), and no one would have known as we weren't noisy. I have one guest spot, everyone else took public transit or car pooled. So rules about the size of holiday gatherings -- although I support them -- seem to me basically unenforceable.
This summer in my neighborhood, house parties were yard parties including PA systems cranked up to live band decibel levels. We could feel the bass in our basement 100 yards away. Our noise ordinances include decibels levels at the property edge, so it is very easy to know when someone is too loud. The mayor hadn't wanted to give out fines for this, but finally concluded that these parties (and an especially egregious 500 plus "mansion party") were contributing to my city being # 2 or 3 for cases in the state, and instituted a curfew and a green light to levy fines.
Most of these happened the next street over where we do not know the people. Several of us have talked to the one family on our street having loud parties. They are considerate when sober but not so much once the alcohol gets flowing and have weird views like, "It was the son's birthday" and "Once you're a homeowner you get to have parties."
While it hasn't been an issue since the weather got cold, we'd been planning to move to my elderly mother's town at some point anyway, and have moved our timetable up.
This is pretty different from where I live. In my neighborhood most have lots of 125x25 (standard Chicago) or 125x30 (what I have), and are being pretty compliant. The house parties I mentioned are in quite different neighborhoods. My prior 'hood (which was basically Wrigleyville) has been an issue, but not due to house parties, but bar violations.1 -
paperpudding wrote: »Re Australia question Some people have second homes. They had to stay in one state if the borders were locked.
There were some exemption for essential travellers, but going to a holiday home was not one of them.
Same for us, here in Italy, you could not go to vacation homes. People would check and report you (everyone knows which homes are vacation). Police stopped cars on the road, and you had to have permission for where you were going--work, humanitarian (helping an elderly relative), etc. This was during Lockdown last spring. We are going into another Lockdown. The numbers keep climbing. My husband's cousins are all down with COVID. Luckily we haven't seen them for over 3 weeks.12 -
Seeing all the Christmas displays coming out, my heart is just dropping scores.
It will be a year since I've seen 2 of my 3 adult children; it was Christmas when they all stayed here with us for a few days. It was a chaotic heaven for me. One of our dds just drove 16 hrs. last month and stayed with us for a week. It was wonderful having her home. Our other dd lives across the states from us. Not sure what our ds will decide; he lives 80 miles away(so close and yet so far). His area has the highest number of cases in our state, being the most populated area.
What irks me is watching people disregard the severity of this virus, play it down in every way by not masking, no social distancing, calling it a farce, going about their merry way as if life is normal(???!!!), etc., and there will be no Christmas gathering as usual at our house because numbers are jumping like crazy everywhere. Even in our rural 'safe' state, there were 89 positive cases last week tied to a hockey game. Two local schools have reclosed for 2 weeks to quarantine everybody(like that'll happen) and deep clean.
I know there'll be more holidays to spend together. But what if, for one of us, there isn't? Memories can be wonderful. But memories can be a source of torture as well.
Just so sick of this. But hey, Happy Monday; another week so we get to do it all over again.
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snowflake954 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Re Australia question Some people have second homes. They had to stay in one state if the borders were locked.
There were some exemption for essential travellers, but going to a holiday home was not one of them.
Same for us, here in Italy, you could not go to vacation homes. People would check and report you (everyone knows which homes are vacation). Police stopped cars on the road, and you had to have permission for where you were going--work, humanitarian (helping an elderly relative), etc. This was during Lockdown last spring. We are going into another Lockdown. The numbers keep climbing. My husband's cousins are all down with COVID. Luckily we haven't seen them for over 3 weeks.
Oh no I hope your dh's cousins all recover quickly and without issues. 2 -
I’m pretty sure that people all over the US have vacation homes elsewhere. Here (Minnesota) many people winter in southern states, and have summer homes on lakes in Minnesota. At the time of lockdown, there were restrictions, but whether or not they were enforced, who knows. It’s pretty much go where you want within the US. The logistics for enforcement seem difficult. My sister has been to California several times during this to visit her grandchildren. I have a friend who leaves for 6 weeks in Arizona in two days. My husband’s cousin is leaving for Arizona until April on 11/15.
The airlines are going to be opening middle seating, if they haven’t already. Cruise lines are resuming sailing in US waters, with no passengers, yet. Does anyone remember how this started? It seems kind of hopeless sometimes.8 -
We ended up not doing Halloween. My wife and I will normally sit at the end of our driveway and give out candy. We spent the night, instead, at a very nice restaurant with a huge outdoor courtyard that looks like you're in Italy. It was just beautiful. Our older dear friends down the street wanted to take me out for my B-Day, which is today.
They are the only friends that we socialize with and same with us for them. We both stay extremely vigilant, at all times, about not exposing ourselves and 100% mask compliance. Dinner was amazing, BTW. It also made my wife feel much, much better about Tucson. We got here last year and worked all year setting up the house, started enjoying it in Winter a bit, then Spring hit w/ Covid-19, we had wildfires all Summer, followed by 110 days of 100 degree temps, shattering the old weather records. Going to a new, beautiful place with a patio reinforces, to her, why we moved here.
We spent the rest of the evening back at our friends playing board games and chatting. They are in their late 70s. Though they are both in great shape, good health and have incredibly smart minds, they are terrified of Covid-19. They are mostly worried about cognitive issues that it could cause. For them, the worst thing would be catching Covid-19 and then having early onset dementia as a result. When older people open up about their worst fears, it really hits you.
Hope everyone stays safe this week. Have a feeling that this will be a very violent and scary week in the US. I plan on drinking quite a bit on Tuesday night. Hopefully, AZ will make pot legal on Tuesday -- we have a ballot initiative for up to six plants or one ounce on Tuesday's ballot. I could use some pot brownies on Tuesday.
Oh, big news too -- the wife's doc appointment went better than expected. The doc seemed pleased with her progress already on her blood work. He wants her to lose a little weight, but overall, was really impressed with how proactive we are related to exercise and diet. Her potassium was just under the "normal" reading but most of the rest of the numbers, including blood sugar, were now decent. So huge relief but we're continuing with eliminating most of our added sugars.14 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »
Hope everyone stays safe this week. Have a feeling that this will be a very violent and scary week in the US. I plan on drinking quite a bit on Tuesday night. Hopefully, AZ will make pot legal on Tuesday -- we have a ballot initiative for up to six plants or one ounce on Tuesday's ballot. I could use some pot brownies on Tuesday.
Oh, big news too -- the wife's doc appointment went better than expected. The doc seemed pleased with her progress already on her blood work. He wants her to lose a little weight, but overall, was really impressed with how proactive we are related to exercise and diet. Her potassium was just under the "normal" reading but most of the rest of the numbers, including blood sugar, were now decent. So huge relief but we're continuing with eliminating most of our added sugars.
Unfortunately agree with the possible violence.
Did have a question. If legal pot is on the ballot Tuesday where are you going to get the pot brownies on Tuesday? In IL it took a while for the dispensaries to get up and running.
Good luck to your wife.
LOL, teasing about the pot. I didn't react well to it when I was younger. If it passes, we'll be able to grow 6 plants for personal use. I'd have to look more into it, as (I think) they are saying you'd have to have it in a locked cabinet, child proof, even if you don't have kids. And it can't be out in the open, which would actually make it quite easy to grow in AZ if you could put it in the open.
My wife qualifies now (with Fibro) for the pot if we bothered to get it medically now. But growing it would certainly be much cheaper.4 -
@MikePfirrman
LOL, my daughter took off of work Wednesday, to either recover from celebrating, or, being depressed.
I agree, it could get very nasty. Already some incidences.
I, on the other hand, will be watching Hallmark Christmas movies, and not turn on the news until Wednesday morning.
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snowflake954 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Re Australia question Some people have second homes. They had to stay in one state if the borders were locked.
There were some exemption for essential travellers, but going to a holiday home was not one of them.
Same for us, here in Italy, you could not go to vacation homes. People would check and report you (everyone knows which homes are vacation). Police stopped cars on the road, and you had to have permission for where you were going--work, humanitarian (helping an elderly relative), etc. This was during Lockdown last spring. We are going into another Lockdown. The numbers keep climbing. My husband's cousins are all down with COVID. Luckily we haven't seen them for over 3 weeks.
Thanks. So both Australia and Italy are approaching things similar to parts of the US.1 -
I started going back to the gym in July. I don't wear a mask. I use common sense and wipe everything down, like I did before. My family and I go out to eat as well. If the establishment didn't require a mask, I wouldn't wear one. The virus is not going away, and I'm going to live my life with common sense.6
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missysippy930 wrote: »I’m pretty sure that people all over the US have vacation homes elsewhere. Here (Minnesota) many people winter in southern states, and have summer homes on lakes in Minnesota. At the time of lockdown, there were restrictions, but whether or not they were enforced, who knows. It’s pretty much go where you want within the US. The logistics for enforcement seem difficult. My sister has been to California several times during this to visit her grandchildren. I have a friend who leaves for 6 weeks in Arizona in two days. My husband’s cousin is leaving for Arizona until April on 11/15.
The airlines are going to be opening middle seating, if they haven’t already. Cruise lines are resuming sailing in US waters, with no passengers, yet. Does anyone remember how this started? It seems kind of hopeless sometimes.
I did not mean to imply that the northeast was the only area. I was just speaking to the region I am in and where people here tend to travel.
We happen to have three homes; Massachusetts, Maine, and Florida keys and have experienced restrictions at times during these months. In the Spring, the keys locked down their access with a checkpoint. To enter, one had to produce proof of ownership/residency. All renters already there, with less than a 1 month lease, were thrown out with couple day notice and one area (Key Colony) threw out anyone with less than a 3 month lease, even if you were already there and had been there since before COVID started. We returned to Mass beginning of May, and was required to quarantine 14 days even though Massachusetts was a higher risk state than where we just came from. Shortly there after, Maine began a moratorium on people coming into the state. If one entered, 14 day quarantine or proof of negative covid test was required. It applied to many states for the first 2 months, then only targeted Massachusetts the last. Now that the summer season is over, Maine has lifted their restrictions, but I fulling expect that they will put them back in place once ski season arrives. Massachusetts continues to have their own travel restrictions that requires anyone traveling from a state of higher COVID risk (not easy to look up - or at least for me) is required to 14 day quarantine or proof of negative covid test. Hubby just went through that last week after bringing his mother back to her home in Florida. He got home that Sunday night, quarantined until Wednesday for an incubation period and make the test useful, and then took his test. Thankfully negative. Current Massachusetts fine, if caught, is $500/day for not quarantining.
For flying, fly JetBlue for now. They are still blocking middle seats until end of year, and one statement sounded like into 1st quarter next year. Now, if they would stop handing my husband cheese-its for their pre-assembled snack. :P2 -
I started going back to the gym in July. I don't wear a mask. I use common sense and wipe everything down, like I did before. My family and I go out to eat as well. If the establishment didn't require a mask, I wouldn't wear one. The virus is not going away, and I'm going to live my life with common sense.
I hope this means that if you or your family get sick, you will not seek medical attention and just 'live it out' at home.19 -
HawkingRadiation wrote: »I started going back to the gym in July. I don't wear a mask. I use common sense and wipe everything down, like I did before. My family and I go out to eat as well. If the establishment didn't require a mask, I wouldn't wear one. The virus is not going away, and I'm going to live my life with common sense.
I hope this means that if you or your family get sick, you will not seek medical attention and just 'live it out' at home.
I'm pretty sure I had it back in February. Yes, if one of us were to get sick, we would stay home. Like I said, common sense. I don't believe in thin paper masks. I don't believe in everyone just staying home. The virus is not going away.6 -
HawkingRadiation wrote: »I started going back to the gym in July. I don't wear a mask. I use common sense and wipe everything down, like I did before. My family and I go out to eat as well. If the establishment didn't require a mask, I wouldn't wear one. The virus is not going away, and I'm going to live my life with common sense.
I hope this means that if you or your family get sick, you will not seek medical attention and just 'live it out' at home.
I'm pretty sure I had it back in February. Yes, if one of us were to get sick, we would stay home. Like I said, common sense. I don't believe in thin paper masks. I don't believe in everyone just staying home. The virus is not going away.
I think your definition of common sense and mine are very different. I'm not locked in my home. I go out to dinner, go to the grocery store. I went to Top Golf last week to enjoy a lovely day. We take drives, go for walks, bike ride, swim and have one couple we spend time with often. Wed and Saturdays are our nights out. We always dine outside and wear masks, even not when required. I actually wore a mask at Top Golf when the instructor was close and then took it off to hit balls. I think I actually wore it sometimes even hitting balls. It's a very small inconvenience. Trivial compared to what our first responders are doing.
The virus is not going away because everyone that has refused to wear masks and social distance. And "paper masks" are very effective at keeping others, as well as your family, safe. And if you do get it, can mean the difference between a mild case with a low viral load or an ICU unit.23 -
HawkingRadiation wrote: »I started going back to the gym in July. I don't wear a mask. I use common sense and wipe everything down, like I did before. My family and I go out to eat as well. If the establishment didn't require a mask, I wouldn't wear one. The virus is not going away, and I'm going to live my life with common sense.
I hope this means that if you or your family get sick, you will not seek medical attention and just 'live it out' at home.
I'm pretty sure I had it back in February. Yes, if one of us were to get sick, we would stay home. Like I said, common sense. I don't believe in thin paper masks. I don't believe in everyone just staying home. The virus is not going away.
This is WHY it's not going away. It's frustrating that some of us haven't seen our family for months and other people are just going to the gym without masks. You can't even get a sense that "we're all in this together" because some people are acting like there is no "us" to even consider.28 -
janejellyroll wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »I started going back to the gym in July. I don't wear a mask. I use common sense and wipe everything down, like I did before. My family and I go out to eat as well. If the establishment didn't require a mask, I wouldn't wear one. The virus is not going away, and I'm going to live my life with common sense.
I hope this means that if you or your family get sick, you will not seek medical attention and just 'live it out' at home.
I'm pretty sure I had it back in February. Yes, if one of us were to get sick, we would stay home. Like I said, common sense. I don't believe in thin paper masks. I don't believe in everyone just staying home. The virus is not going away.
This is WHY it's not going away. It's frustrating that some of us haven't seen our family for months and other people are just going to the gym without masks. You can't even get a sense that "we're all in this together" because some people are acting like there is no "us" to even consider.
So, wearing masks is going to make the virus magically disappear? People should wear masks during Flu season, maybe the Flu virus will go away.4 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »I started going back to the gym in July. I don't wear a mask. I use common sense and wipe everything down, like I did before. My family and I go out to eat as well. If the establishment didn't require a mask, I wouldn't wear one. The virus is not going away, and I'm going to live my life with common sense.
I hope this means that if you or your family get sick, you will not seek medical attention and just 'live it out' at home.
I'm pretty sure I had it back in February. Yes, if one of us were to get sick, we would stay home. Like I said, common sense. I don't believe in thin paper masks. I don't believe in everyone just staying home. The virus is not going away.
I think your definition of common sense and mine are very different. I'm not locked in my home. I go out to dinner, go to the grocery store. I went to Top Golf last week to enjoy a lovely day. We take drives, go for walks, bike ride, swim and have one couple we spend time with often. Wed and Saturdays are our nights out. We always dine outside and wear masks, even not when required. I actually wore a mask at Top Golf when the instructor was close and then took it off to hit balls. I think I actually wore it sometimes even hitting balls. It's a very small inconvenience. Trivial compared to what our first responders are doing.
The virus is not going away because everyone that has refused to wear masks and social distance. And "paper masks" are very effective at keeping others, as well as your family, safe. And if you do get it, can mean the difference between a mild case with a low viral load or an ICU unit.
Common sense is good hygiene. I see people touch the keypad at a store, who has been touched by how many people, and not sanitized. Then touch their faces to remove their mask. A long with door handles, bags, etc. How many do you think sanitize? Or think about cross contamination? That's the real problem. The solution though, wear a thin paper mask. Unless you wear a hazmat suite or a respirator and goggles, then you really aren't protected. It's nothing but a feel good measure for the masses. Even the CDC can't make up their minds.7 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »I started going back to the gym in July. I don't wear a mask. I use common sense and wipe everything down, like I did before. My family and I go out to eat as well. If the establishment didn't require a mask, I wouldn't wear one. The virus is not going away, and I'm going to live my life with common sense.
I hope this means that if you or your family get sick, you will not seek medical attention and just 'live it out' at home.
I'm pretty sure I had it back in February. Yes, if one of us were to get sick, we would stay home. Like I said, common sense. I don't believe in thin paper masks. I don't believe in everyone just staying home. The virus is not going away.
I think your definition of common sense and mine are very different. I'm not locked in my home. I go out to dinner, go to the grocery store. I went to Top Golf last week to enjoy a lovely day. We take drives, go for walks, bike ride, swim and have one couple we spend time with often. Wed and Saturdays are our nights out. We always dine outside and wear masks, even not when required. I actually wore a mask at Top Golf when the instructor was close and then took it off to hit balls. I think I actually wore it sometimes even hitting balls. It's a very small inconvenience. Trivial compared to what our first responders are doing.
The virus is not going away because everyone that has refused to wear masks and social distance. And "paper masks" are very effective at keeping others, as well as your family, safe. And if you do get it, can mean the difference between a mild case with a low viral load or an ICU unit.
Common sense is good hygiene. I see people touch the keypad at a store, who has been touched by how many people, and not sanitized. Then touch their faces to remove their mask. A long with door handles, bags, etc. How many do you think sanitize? Or think about cross contamination? That's the real problem. The solution though, wear a thin paper mask. Unless you wear a hazmat suite or a respirator and goggles, then you really aren't protected. It's nothing but a feel good measure for the masses. Even the CDC can't make up their minds.
I think you've been misled. Masks DO protect you and the people around you. This is a scientific fact, and the CDC HAS made up its mind. Anyone who tells you different has an agenda that does not include your health.
I don't understand how mask wearing makes touching a keypad or door handle worse than what you are doing btw. And I assume you don't necessarily see the person remove the mask, since they do so outside the store. I know I sanitize my hands before removing my mask, and assume others do as well.18 -
janejellyroll wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »I started going back to the gym in July. I don't wear a mask. I use common sense and wipe everything down, like I did before. My family and I go out to eat as well. If the establishment didn't require a mask, I wouldn't wear one. The virus is not going away, and I'm going to live my life with common sense.
I hope this means that if you or your family get sick, you will not seek medical attention and just 'live it out' at home.
I'm pretty sure I had it back in February. Yes, if one of us were to get sick, we would stay home. Like I said, common sense. I don't believe in thin paper masks. I don't believe in everyone just staying home. The virus is not going away.
This is WHY it's not going away. It's frustrating that some of us haven't seen our family for months and other people are just going to the gym without masks. You can't even get a sense that "we're all in this together" because some people are acting like there is no "us" to even consider.
So, wearing masks is going to make the virus magically disappear? People should wear masks during Flu season, maybe the Flu virus will go away.
Wearing seatbelts doesn't make car accidents "magically disappear," but most people still think it's a reasonable step to take. Why are the options "make it magically vanish" or "do nothing at all"?
I thought comparing this to the flu went out of style once we passed 100,000 dead in the US. Is it coming back now?22 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »I started going back to the gym in July. I don't wear a mask. I use common sense and wipe everything down, like I did before. My family and I go out to eat as well. If the establishment didn't require a mask, I wouldn't wear one. The virus is not going away, and I'm going to live my life with common sense.
I hope this means that if you or your family get sick, you will not seek medical attention and just 'live it out' at home.
I'm pretty sure I had it back in February. Yes, if one of us were to get sick, we would stay home. Like I said, common sense. I don't believe in thin paper masks. I don't believe in everyone just staying home. The virus is not going away.
I think your definition of common sense and mine are very different. I'm not locked in my home. I go out to dinner, go to the grocery store. I went to Top Golf last week to enjoy a lovely day. We take drives, go for walks, bike ride, swim and have one couple we spend time with often. Wed and Saturdays are our nights out. We always dine outside and wear masks, even not when required. I actually wore a mask at Top Golf when the instructor was close and then took it off to hit balls. I think I actually wore it sometimes even hitting balls. It's a very small inconvenience. Trivial compared to what our first responders are doing.
The virus is not going away because everyone that has refused to wear masks and social distance. And "paper masks" are very effective at keeping others, as well as your family, safe. And if you do get it, can mean the difference between a mild case with a low viral load or an ICU unit.
Common sense is good hygiene. I see people touch the keypad at a store, who has been touched by how many people, and not sanitized. Then touch their faces to remove their mask. A long with door handles, bags, etc. How many do you think sanitize? Or think about cross contamination? That's the real problem. The solution though, wear a thin paper mask. Unless you wear a hazmat suite or a respirator and goggles, then you really aren't protected. It's nothing but a feel good measure for the masses. Even the CDC can't make up their minds.
The CDC, though under tremendous pressure, has been mostly crystal clear as they learn the science. Since very early, they have said masks work well. I never remove my mask until I use my hand sanitizer in my car. I agree there are some that aren't doing that, but it's about more education and awareness, not letting our guards down. I use a paper towel whenever I open a door or use hand sanitizer after. Nearly all restaurants, if they don't have doors you can open up with your foot, have hand sanitizer after opening them up. If I have to touch a door, I'll use my sleeve or shirt if I have to.
I'm not in a hazmat suit. I don't use googles, but have glasses. I feel confident that I'll be able to either not get it or, if I do, it will be minimal. The biggest risk I'll face is when my daughter flies home for X-mas. But she's hyper vigilant and will wear a mask the entire flight.
I do worry, just a bit, about alcoholic drinks, when I go out. For the most part, we are ordering bottles and cans that aren't opened yet or minimize being touched.
You're right in that you can't be 100%, but you can sure minimize your risk. The CDC has said surfaces are less risky, but wash your hands often, don't touch your face or eyes when out and wear a mask. Fry's now has someone sanitizing keypads after every use.17 -
As for going away or not going away, be aware that the 1918 spanish flu variants still circulate today.5
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snowflake954 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Re Australia question Some people have second homes. They had to stay in one state if the borders were locked.
There were some exemption for essential travellers, but going to a holiday home was not one of them.
Same for us, here in Italy, you could not go to vacation homes. People would check and report you (everyone knows which homes are vacation). Police stopped cars on the road, and you had to have permission for where you were going--work, humanitarian (helping an elderly relative), etc. This was during Lockdown last spring. We are going into another Lockdown. The numbers keep climbing. My husband's cousins are all down with COVID. Luckily we haven't seen them for over 3 weeks.
Way back in Mar., I was advocating for this here in the U.S. Most disagreed, but it has gotten out of hand here. I still think we need a total and complete shutdown for 3-4 weeks where only essential employees (healthcare and designated support) are allowed to leave. Under my vision then (and now), nobody else leaves home. Food, supplies, and medicine delivery would be done by people in full PPE and contactless (i.e. set order down at door and leave before person opens door). But nobody wanted to do that. They would rather have months or years of limited contact rather than weeks of zero contact.12 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »I started going back to the gym in July. I don't wear a mask. I use common sense and wipe everything down, like I did before. My family and I go out to eat as well. If the establishment didn't require a mask, I wouldn't wear one. The virus is not going away, and I'm going to live my life with common sense.
I hope this means that if you or your family get sick, you will not seek medical attention and just 'live it out' at home.
I'm pretty sure I had it back in February. Yes, if one of us were to get sick, we would stay home. Like I said, common sense. I don't believe in thin paper masks. I don't believe in everyone just staying home. The virus is not going away.
This is WHY it's not going away. It's frustrating that some of us haven't seen our family for months and other people are just going to the gym without masks. You can't even get a sense that "we're all in this together" because some people are acting like there is no "us" to even consider.
So, wearing masks is going to make the virus magically disappear? People should wear masks during Flu season, maybe the Flu virus will go away.
Wearing seatbelts doesn't make car accidents "magically disappear," but most people still think it's a reasonable step to take. Why are the options "make it magically vanish" or "do nothing at all"?
I thought comparing this to the flu went out of style once we passed 100,000 dead in the US. Is it coming back now?
You are comparing a think paper masks to seatbelts? Maybe I'll wear a mask to protect myself in case of an accident.
Yes, I'm comparing one protective device to another. If the accident is "I've been infected with COVID-19 and may not know it yet," it's a reasonable device to use.
A seatbelt is just a thin strip of fabric. Yet you presumably use one, because you can comprehend that in a very specific set of circumstances, a thin strip of fabric is just what you need to protect yourself and others around you.23 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Re Australia question Some people have second homes. They had to stay in one state if the borders were locked.
There were some exemption for essential travellers, but going to a holiday home was not one of them.
Same for us, here in Italy, you could not go to vacation homes. People would check and report you (everyone knows which homes are vacation). Police stopped cars on the road, and you had to have permission for where you were going--work, humanitarian (helping an elderly relative), etc. This was during Lockdown last spring. We are going into another Lockdown. The numbers keep climbing. My husband's cousins are all down with COVID. Luckily we haven't seen them for over 3 weeks.
Way back in Mar., I was advocating for this here in the U.S. Most disagreed, but it has gotten out of hand here. I still think we need a total and complete shutdown for 3-4 weeks where only essential employees (healthcare and designated support) are allowed to leave. Under my vision then (and now), nobody else leaves home. Food, supplies, and medicine delivery would be done by people in full PPE and contactless (i.e. set order down at door and leave before person opens door). But nobody wanted to do that. They would rather have months or years of limited contact rather than weeks of zero contact.
This is what I find so baffling. If we had shut down for a few weeks back in April and instituted contact tracing, this would all be over and we would be back to a 'normal life'.
It's only because people refuse to allow themselves to be minorly inconvenienced that we are stuck in perpetual purgatory.17 -
Deliberate obtuseness doesn’t make it go away. Observing basic guidelines lessens risks. At this point, that’s fact.23
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HawkingRadiation wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »I started going back to the gym in July. I don't wear a mask. I use common sense and wipe everything down, like I did before. My family and I go out to eat as well. If the establishment didn't require a mask, I wouldn't wear one. The virus is not going away, and I'm going to live my life with common sense.
I hope this means that if you or your family get sick, you will not seek medical attention and just 'live it out' at home.
I'm pretty sure I had it back in February. Yes, if one of us were to get sick, we would stay home. Like I said, common sense. I don't believe in thin paper masks. I don't believe in everyone just staying home. The virus is not going away.
I think your definition of common sense and mine are very different. I'm not locked in my home. I go out to dinner, go to the grocery store. I went to Top Golf last week to enjoy a lovely day. We take drives, go for walks, bike ride, swim and have one couple we spend time with often. Wed and Saturdays are our nights out. We always dine outside and wear masks, even not when required. I actually wore a mask at Top Golf when the instructor was close and then took it off to hit balls. I think I actually wore it sometimes even hitting balls. It's a very small inconvenience. Trivial compared to what our first responders are doing.
The virus is not going away because everyone that has refused to wear masks and social distance. And "paper masks" are very effective at keeping others, as well as your family, safe. And if you do get it, can mean the difference between a mild case with a low viral load or an ICU unit.
Common sense is good hygiene. I see people touch the keypad at a store, who has been touched by how many people, and not sanitized. Then touch their faces to remove their mask. A long with door handles, bags, etc. How many do you think sanitize? Or think about cross contamination? That's the real problem. The solution though, wear a thin paper mask. Unless you wear a hazmat suite or a respirator and goggles, then you really aren't protected. It's nothing but a feel good measure for the masses. Even the CDC can't make up their minds.
I think you've been misled. Masks DO protect you and the people around you. This is a scientific fact, and the CDC HAS made up its mind. Anyone who tells you different has an agenda that does not include your health.
I don't understand how mask wearing makes touching a keypad or door handle worse than what you are doing btw. And I assume you don't necessarily see the person remove the mask, since they do so outside the store. I know I sanitize my hands before removing my mask, and assume others do as well.
I can't tell you how many people I have seen in the locker room not wash their hands after using the bathroom. A lot of people have poor hygiene. That's far more important than a mask.
Which is probably why most of the posters and public announcements I've seen in the US stress a variety of prevention measures, including washing your hands regularly. We don't have to choose between wearing a mask and washing our hands. We can (and should!) do both.23 -
janejellyroll wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »I started going back to the gym in July. I don't wear a mask. I use common sense and wipe everything down, like I did before. My family and I go out to eat as well. If the establishment didn't require a mask, I wouldn't wear one. The virus is not going away, and I'm going to live my life with common sense.
I hope this means that if you or your family get sick, you will not seek medical attention and just 'live it out' at home.
I'm pretty sure I had it back in February. Yes, if one of us were to get sick, we would stay home. Like I said, common sense. I don't believe in thin paper masks. I don't believe in everyone just staying home. The virus is not going away.
I think your definition of common sense and mine are very different. I'm not locked in my home. I go out to dinner, go to the grocery store. I went to Top Golf last week to enjoy a lovely day. We take drives, go for walks, bike ride, swim and have one couple we spend time with often. Wed and Saturdays are our nights out. We always dine outside and wear masks, even not when required. I actually wore a mask at Top Golf when the instructor was close and then took it off to hit balls. I think I actually wore it sometimes even hitting balls. It's a very small inconvenience. Trivial compared to what our first responders are doing.
The virus is not going away because everyone that has refused to wear masks and social distance. And "paper masks" are very effective at keeping others, as well as your family, safe. And if you do get it, can mean the difference between a mild case with a low viral load or an ICU unit.
Common sense is good hygiene. I see people touch the keypad at a store, who has been touched by how many people, and not sanitized. Then touch their faces to remove their mask. A long with door handles, bags, etc. How many do you think sanitize? Or think about cross contamination? That's the real problem. The solution though, wear a thin paper mask. Unless you wear a hazmat suite or a respirator and goggles, then you really aren't protected. It's nothing but a feel good measure for the masses. Even the CDC can't make up their minds.
I think you've been misled. Masks DO protect you and the people around you. This is a scientific fact, and the CDC HAS made up its mind. Anyone who tells you different has an agenda that does not include your health.
I don't understand how mask wearing makes touching a keypad or door handle worse than what you are doing btw. And I assume you don't necessarily see the person remove the mask, since they do so outside the store. I know I sanitize my hands before removing my mask, and assume others do as well.
I can't tell you how many people I have seen in the locker room not wash their hands after using the bathroom. A lot of people have poor hygiene. That's far more important than a mask.
Which is probably why most of the posters and public announcements I've seen in the US stress a variety of prevention measures, including washing your hands regularly. We don't have to choose between wearing a mask and washing our hands. We can (and should!) do both.
That same person that didn't wash their hands just placed a mask on their face. Which means the mask may now be contaminated.
The solution is to educate people about washing their hands, not to decide that masks are worthless. Nobody is arguing for poor hand washing practices or saying that it isn't important to have safe habits working together.17 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »HawkingRadiation wrote: »I started going back to the gym in July. I don't wear a mask. I use common sense and wipe everything down, like I did before. My family and I go out to eat as well. If the establishment didn't require a mask, I wouldn't wear one. The virus is not going away, and I'm going to live my life with common sense.
I hope this means that if you or your family get sick, you will not seek medical attention and just 'live it out' at home.
I'm pretty sure I had it back in February. Yes, if one of us were to get sick, we would stay home. Like I said, common sense. I don't believe in thin paper masks. I don't believe in everyone just staying home. The virus is not going away.
I think your definition of common sense and mine are very different. I'm not locked in my home. I go out to dinner, go to the grocery store. I went to Top Golf last week to enjoy a lovely day. We take drives, go for walks, bike ride, swim and have one couple we spend time with often. Wed and Saturdays are our nights out. We always dine outside and wear masks, even not when required. I actually wore a mask at Top Golf when the instructor was close and then took it off to hit balls. I think I actually wore it sometimes even hitting balls. It's a very small inconvenience. Trivial compared to what our first responders are doing.
The virus is not going away because everyone that has refused to wear masks and social distance. And "paper masks" are very effective at keeping others, as well as your family, safe. And if you do get it, can mean the difference between a mild case with a low viral load or an ICU unit.
Common sense is good hygiene. I see people touch the keypad at a store, who has been touched by how many people, and not sanitized. Then touch their faces to remove their mask. A long with door handles, bags, etc. How many do you think sanitize? Or think about cross contamination? That's the real problem. The solution though, wear a thin paper mask. Unless you wear a hazmat suite or a respirator and goggles, then you really aren't protected. It's nothing but a feel good measure for the masses. Even the CDC can't make up their minds.
I think you've been misled. Masks DO protect you and the people around you. This is a scientific fact, and the CDC HAS made up its mind. Anyone who tells you different has an agenda that does not include your health.
I don't understand how mask wearing makes touching a keypad or door handle worse than what you are doing btw. And I assume you don't necessarily see the person remove the mask, since they do so outside the store. I know I sanitize my hands before removing my mask, and assume others do as well.
I can't tell you how many people I have seen in the locker room not wash their hands after using the bathroom. A lot of people have poor hygiene. That's far more important than a mask.
Which is probably why most of the posters and public announcements I've seen in the US stress a variety of prevention measures, including washing your hands regularly. We don't have to choose between wearing a mask and washing our hands. We can (and should!) do both.
That same person that didn't wash their hands just placed a mask on their face. Which means the mask may now be contaminated.
The solution is to educate people about washing their hands, not to decide that masks are worthless. Nobody is arguing for poor hand washing practices or saying that it isn't important to have safe habits working together.
Well said. One is not more important than another; everyone will be more protected and at less risk, doing MORE self-protection as well as practicing good hygiene. Why not live with a few common sense good hygiene practices for awhile; there's nothing particularly difficult about it.
Even an ignoramus like myself, could understand how putting a mask on would cut down the amount of germ transference.
Much like those thin plastic gloves that could rip and tear. Doing *something* is better, kinder and more thoughtful than doing nothing. 13 -
I started going back to the gym in July. I don't wear a mask. I use common sense and wipe everything down, like I did before. My family and I go out to eat as well. If the establishment didn't require a mask, I wouldn't wear one. The virus is not going away, and I'm going to live my life with common sense.
The science and CDC, as the early evidence was absorbed and affected their advice, have been pretty clear that a mask reduces chances of infecting others (if I'm contagious, possibly asymptomatic) a fair bit more than it protects the mask-wearers.
So, yeah, it's not like seatbelts, in that the major effect is protecting others, or (when masks are worn widely), limiting community spread. (In a narrow set of circumstances, a seat belt may prevent my body becoming yet another dangerous moving object that could harm others inside my car in a crash. True, a mask may give me a limited amount of protection - maybe avoid getting the disease if I'm lucky, maybe get a smaller viral load so lighter case.) That's nice, but not the only point.
You keep writing about this like it's all about me, and whether I'm afraid, and how I handle my mask, and whether I sanitize after using (whatever) in public, etc. It's not all about me.
And, yeah, a thing I'm realizing, and feeling kind of stupid not to have realized sooner, is that it might make sense for me to wear masks during flu season, to limit flu spread. One of many differences, IMU, between Covid and common forms of flu is that flu's contagiousness is more nearly coincident with noticeable symptoms, and Covid tends to be asymptomatic at the start, yet still quite contagious. I think, going forward, especially that if I have sniffles or something, I *should* wear a mask if I go out during flu season, even if I think it's probably not the flu. Why wouldn't I do that? It's super easy, might help someone else.24
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