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  • ninerbuffninerbuff Member, Greeter Posts: 45,383 Member Member, Greeter Posts: 45,383 Member
    Also mentioning that protein is INSULIGENIC. To purport that it's not would be disingenuous.

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  • AnnPT77AnnPT77 Member, Premium Posts: 20,773 Member Member, Premium Posts: 20,773 Member
    There are a TON of misconceptions here about keto and why it works...

    So there are two parts to every diet:

    1) Physical hunger
    Keto works so well because when your body switches from burning carbs to burning fat, you're no longer walking around hungry all the time and don't snack. Many people who're on keto also do intermittent fasting because they don't get physically hungry until the afternoons.

    2) Mental food cravings/addiction/obsession or whatever you want to call it.
    The mental food cravings are different for each of us. For some of us keto is easier because excluding anything with sugar or gluten quells the internal bargaining dialogues we have with ourselves about cheating, treats, rewards, being bad, "just one more" and all the other stupid excuses we make that cause us to fail. For others, who aren't gluttons, including treats/cheat days helps staying on track.

    CICO is true but only to a certain point. If you're eating foods that make your insulin skyrocket and plummet like a yo-yo on steroids, you will have a harder time losing weight, even if you're consuming the same amount of calories as someone with a healthy diet.

    You do understand that gluten is a protein, I hope . . . ?
  • ThoinThoin Member Posts: 829 Member Member Posts: 829 Member
    psuLemon wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    There are a TON of misconceptions here about keto and why it works...

    So there are two parts to every diet:

    1) Physical hunger
    Keto works so well because when your body switches from burning carbs to burning fat, you're no longer walking around hungry all the time and don't snack. Many people who're on keto also do intermittent fasting because they don't get physically hungry until the afternoons.

    2) Mental food cravings/addiction/obsession or whatever you want to call it.
    The mental food cravings are different for each of us. For some of us keto is easier because excluding anything with sugar or gluten quells the internal bargaining dialogues we have with ourselves about cheating, treats, rewards, being bad, "just one more" and all the other stupid excuses we make that cause us to fail. For others, who aren't gluttons, including treats/cheat days helps staying on track.

    CICO is true but only to a certain point. If you're eating foods that make your insulin skyrocket and plummet like a yo-yo on steroids, you will have a harder time losing weight, even if you're consuming the same amount of calories as someone with a healthy diet.

    You do understand that gluten is a protein, I hope . . . ?

    Completely anecdotal, but in my experience people who are doing keto either understand nutrition 1) way better than the average person or 2) way worse than the average person. There is no middle ground!

    You can probably say this about a lot of atypical diets because now that I think about it . . . many people who are eating "unusually" either have done a lot of research to understand their particular way of eating, how to meet their needs, and how it compares to other ways of eating OR they've seen a scary YouTube video/Netflix documentary and adopted it as gospel.

    Literally blew my mind because i am pretty sure you are on point now that i think of it.

    Another vote for agree from me.
  • tsazanitsazani Member Posts: 758 Member Member Posts: 758 Member
    As long as you don't overeat you can do this. There's a lot more about blue zone people than just diet.

    I live in a blue zone in Costa Rica. These blue zoners live on ANIMAL products. Mainly meat and dairy. Super healthy. Lean. Live into their late 90s and hundreds.

    My wife's grandparents were of this type. Grandma died at 110. Grandpa died at 100.

    "Yes, I have lived in Okinawa (blue zone) and in mostly plant-based communities and was surrounded by healthy and fit people who ate lots of tropical fruit and other carb intense foods like rice and beans or rice and dal."
    edited May 8
  • Diatonic12Diatonic12 Member Posts: 32,351 Member Member Posts: 32,351 Member
    ninerbuff wrote: »

    CICO is EXACTLY what I used to lose 40lbs in 6 months. AND I ate pizza, ice cream, french fries and burgers doing it.

    People that don't know how to STOP at a certain amount is due to BEHAVIOR. And until anyone actually changes behavior, they will run into the same problem again if they decide to overindulge in anything.

    And I don't eat breakfast (traditional) so my first meal is usually after 12pm. I start each morning at 5:30am and train fasted before working from 8-12pm for my first shift.

    So how do I do it without being hungry? I understand how behavior works.

    I lurve this post. It is behavior.



  • neanderthinneanderthin Member Posts: 7,661 Member Member Posts: 7,661 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    There are a TON of misconceptions here about keto and why it works...

    So there are two parts to every diet:

    1) Physical hunger
    Keto works so well because when your body switches from burning carbs to burning fat, you're no longer walking around hungry all the time and don't snack. Many people who're on keto also do intermittent fasting because they don't get physically hungry until the afternoons.

    2) Mental food cravings/addiction/obsession or whatever you want to call it.
    The mental food cravings are different for each of us. For some of us keto is easier because excluding anything with sugar or gluten quells the internal bargaining dialogues we have with ourselves about cheating, treats, rewards, being bad, "just one more" and all the other stupid excuses we make that cause us to fail. For others, who aren't gluttons, including treats/cheat days helps staying on track.

    CICO is true but only to a certain point. If you're eating foods that make your insulin skyrocket and plummet like a yo-yo on steroids, you will have a harder time losing weight, even if you're consuming the same amount of calories as someone with a healthy diet.

    You do understand that gluten is a protein, I hope . . . ?

    Completely anecdotal, but in my experience people who are doing keto either understand nutrition 1) way better than the average person or 2) way worse than the average person. There is no middle ground!

    You can probably say this about a lot of atypical diets because now that I think about it . . . many people who are eating "unusually" either have done a lot of research to understand their particular way of eating, how to meet their needs, and how it compares to other ways of eating OR they've seen a scary YouTube video/Netflix documentary and adopted it as gospel.

    You are a fountain of constant logic and sound advice, your rock.
  • AnnPT77AnnPT77 Member, Premium Posts: 20,773 Member Member, Premium Posts: 20,773 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    There are a TON of misconceptions here about keto and why it works...

    So there are two parts to every diet:

    1) Physical hunger
    Keto works so well because when your body switches from burning carbs to burning fat, you're no longer walking around hungry all the time and don't snack. Many people who're on keto also do intermittent fasting because they don't get physically hungry until the afternoons.

    2) Mental food cravings/addiction/obsession or whatever you want to call it.
    The mental food cravings are different for each of us. For some of us keto is easier because excluding anything with sugar or gluten quells the internal bargaining dialogues we have with ourselves about cheating, treats, rewards, being bad, "just one more" and all the other stupid excuses we make that cause us to fail. For others, who aren't gluttons, including treats/cheat days helps staying on track.

    CICO is true but only to a certain point. If you're eating foods that make your insulin skyrocket and plummet like a yo-yo on steroids, you will have a harder time losing weight, even if you're consuming the same amount of calories as someone with a healthy diet.

    You do understand that gluten is a protein, I hope . . . ?

    Completely anecdotal, but in my experience people who are doing keto either understand nutrition 1) way better than the average person or 2) way worse than the average person. There is no middle ground!

    You can probably say this about a lot of atypical diets because now that I think about it . . . many people who are eating "unusually" either have done a lot of research to understand their particular way of eating, how to meet their needs, and how it compares to other ways of eating OR they've seen a scary YouTube video/Netflix documentary and adopted it as gospel.

    Just to ice that cake: I just got a disagree on my post that you replied to with the above-quoted. Maybe it was merely an accidental scroll-disagree, but if not that's pretty hilarious IMO.
  • psuLemonpsuLemon Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium Posts: 37,540 MFP Moderator Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium Posts: 37,540 MFP Moderator
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    There are a TON of misconceptions here about keto and why it works...

    So there are two parts to every diet:

    1) Physical hunger
    Keto works so well because when your body switches from burning carbs to burning fat, you're no longer walking around hungry all the time and don't snack. Many people who're on keto also do intermittent fasting because they don't get physically hungry until the afternoons.

    2) Mental food cravings/addiction/obsession or whatever you want to call it.
    The mental food cravings are different for each of us. For some of us keto is easier because excluding anything with sugar or gluten quells the internal bargaining dialogues we have with ourselves about cheating, treats, rewards, being bad, "just one more" and all the other stupid excuses we make that cause us to fail. For others, who aren't gluttons, including treats/cheat days helps staying on track.

    CICO is true but only to a certain point. If you're eating foods that make your insulin skyrocket and plummet like a yo-yo on steroids, you will have a harder time losing weight, even if you're consuming the same amount of calories as someone with a healthy diet.

    You do understand that gluten is a protein, I hope . . . ?

    Completely anecdotal, but in my experience people who are doing keto either understand nutrition 1) way better than the average person or 2) way worse than the average person. There is no middle ground!

    You can probably say this about a lot of atypical diets because now that I think about it . . . many people who are eating "unusually" either have done a lot of research to understand their particular way of eating, how to meet their needs, and how it compares to other ways of eating OR they've seen a scary YouTube video/Netflix documentary and adopted it as gospel.

    Just to ice that cake: I just got a disagree on my post that you replied to with the above-quoted. Maybe it was merely an accidental scroll-disagree, but if not that's pretty hilarious IMO.

    I suspect it was someone scrolling.
  • J72FITJ72FIT Member Posts: 5,820 Member Member Posts: 5,820 Member
    Diatonic12 wrote: »
    People that don't know how to STOP at a certain amount is due to BEHAVIOR. And until anyone actually changes behavior, they will run into the same problem again if they decide to overindulge in anything.

    ^^^^^ This!!!

  • kshama2001kshama2001 Member Posts: 24,274 Member Member Posts: 24,274 Member
    nooshi713 wrote: »
    tsazani wrote: »
    As long as you don't overeat you can do this. There's a lot more about blue zone people than just diet.

    I live in a blue zone in Costa Rica. These blue zoners live on ANIMAL products. Mainly meat and dairy. Super healthy. Lean. Live into their late 90s and hundreds.

    My wife's grandparents were of this type. Grandma died at 110. Grandpa died at 100.

    "Yes, I have lived in Okinawa (blue zone) and in mostly plant-based communities and was surrounded by healthy and fit people who ate lots of tropical fruit and other carb intense foods like rice and beans or rice and dal."

    Not true. I have been to Costa Rice many times and their staple diet is rice and beans. Many eat meat, sure, but there are many plant based meals and eaters there.

    Yes, where I was in Costa Rica (non-tourist extremely rural area) rice, beans, and tropical fruit was cheap and abundant, and meat was scarce and expensive.
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