October 2020 Monthly Running Challange
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October Goal 60ish miles
10/1 3.52
10/2 snorkel 1 hour (lousy conditions)School of Convict Tang with Trumpetfish10/3 3.08
Total 6.60
@TheMrWobbly I'm in! (In Hawaii, I can be the stop-off point for North America to Asia (or vice versa....)
RE: monthly question.....since I didn't START running till I was 60, and move pretty much like a big turtle (some will see what I did there.....), haven't really had any injuries to come back from.
Upcoming and current races:
D-Backs Virtual Run Against Cancer on 10/17 (which would have been my son's 43rd birthday....)
https://raceroster.com/events/2020/27903/2020-d-backs-virtual-race-against-cancer
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As for my injury stories, I too have been fortunate not to have many at all. Aside from tripping over about three times and each time smacking my head on the footpath (not advised), my only real injury has been a calf tear which I actually got dashing across a car park in high heels in the rain! To be fair, I had strained the muscle running a very hilly trail event the week prior and that quick, 20 metre sprint was just the straw that broke the camel’s back. Recovery was slow and I set myself back by doing too much too soon, as nearly all runners do, but it was Avery minor injury in the grand scheme of things.
Earlier this year you may remember me moaning about my soleus muscles giving me grief, but while it hurt to run they weren’t injured, I just had to build them up (new coach = increased mileage = muscle fatigue). Finally, now nearly six months later, they’re completely pain free and I can walk downstairs properly in the middle of the night/first thing in the morning. Hallelujah.
I think we runners learn so much about our bodies as the years pass, and I can confidently choose to listen to or ignore a variety of niggles and twinges and assorted pains while running, knowing which ones will pass and while ones require me to stop.
Also, as someone mentioned earlier, ensure you GP is a runner, as well as your physio, chiro/osteo, massage therapist and nutritionist. They think like us and will provide better advice and care.4 -
ContraryMaryMary wrote: »As for my injury stories, I too have been fortunate not to have many at all. Aside from tripping over about three times and each time smacking my head on the footpath (not advised), my only real injury has been a calf tear which I actually got dashing across a car park in high heels in the rain! To be fair, I had strained the muscle running a very hilly trail event the week prior and that quick, 20 metre sprint was just the straw that broke the camel’s back. Recovery was slow and I set myself back by doing too much too soon, as nearly all runners do, but it was Avery minor injury in the grand scheme of things.
Earlier this year you may remember me moaning about my soleus muscles giving me grief, but while it hurt to run they weren’t injured, I just had to build them up (new coach = increased mileage = muscle fatigue). Finally, now nearly six months later, they’re completely pain free and I can walk downstairs properly in the middle of the night/first thing in the morning. Hallelujah.
I think we runners learn so much about our bodies as the years pass, and I can confidently choose to listen to or ignore a variety of niggles and twinges and assorted pains while running, knowing which ones will pass and while ones require me to stop.
Also, as someone mentioned earlier, ensure you GP is a runner, as well as your physio, chiro/osteo, massage therapist and nutritionist. They think like us and will provide better advice and care.
I'm hoping to start back on Tuesday after my calf tear. Interesting mine was similarish to yours, niggly calf after a lot of hills and increased milage, and one event (running barefoot across the floor to get my gait analysis done in my case) caused the more major injury.
10 weeks I've been off.
And ill be following the plan my physio sets to the letter. Fortunately he is a distance runner so he gets it. I would rather start slow and build up than go too fast and get another injury!
Though I'm also open to any advice here!!
2 days. I can't wait!6 -
@TheMrWobbly I'm definitely in!!!
8m in New Plymouth, New Zealand so that gives us 2 kiwi towns (I'm just assuming @ContraryMaryMary is in!)
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@TheMrWobbly I'm definitely in!!!
8m in New Plymouth, New Zealand so that gives us 2 kiwi towns (I'm just assuming @ContraryMaryMary is in!)
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@durhammfp - I tried to make the distinctions of “PT” clear enough because different things share initials... but I probably got fuzzy somewhere.
The misadventure had 1 lousy doc with no pt, 2nd lousy doc who eventually gave a “PT” referral in the form of Physical Therapy (I think referred to colloquially as “physio” in non US countries??) .... the Therapist and that particular doctor’s general plan was “well just don’t run” - as in we will fix you by having you be completely inactive, but no suggestions to keep other health metrics in check, nor did they see a problem in inactivity, or other solution
I eventually in this process sought the services of “PT” in the form of Personal Trainer while the “PT” Physical Therapist was forbidding running, because not running (and still staying on a relatively healthy track) led to my lifting capacity exceeding my ability to self correct on form.... it was the Trainer who gave the recommendation to an orthopedic specific doc, who he had worked with since he was a collegiate athlete, so some known sports medicine experience, and still recommends.... who has a closely associated “PT” as in Physical Therapist, which led to progress.
But, i still seem to need additional support/intervention when I reach 10 miles a week or more.3 -
eleanorhawkins wrote: »The main thing I like about the Hal app is you tell it which days you want to run and it adapts the plans to that. So as long as you always run on the same days it's great. No flexibility though.
So, dunno if anyone believed me when I said I wouldn't race my virtual race this morning. Cause oh boy did I race it. Apparently dodgy toenails lead to PRs galore! I had never expected to run a sub 30 minute 5k (28:53), or a 61:13 10k, even less so during a solo virtual race. The high hasn't worn off yet :-)
Whoever said the Galloway (run-walk-run) method isn't running can look at those numbers and go take a hike! 😂
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@TheMrWobbly you can add me in Poland (any part of the country, hopefully I'll be changing cities in 2021 anyway)
@durhammfp as far as those intervals, they're usually all in meters (and convenient for doing on a standard 400-meter track). For recovery, if they don't tell you, you can play it by ear. If you're on a track, once around (400m) tends to work well for me. Or if I'm on roads or trail, I might for example do 800's as 200m warmup, then go fast until the kilometer beep on my watch, then walk/jog 200m to recover and repeat. You might be able to program the whole thing into your watch, I don't bother. You can also go by time, using an interval timer app on your phone. I've even gone back and done the C25K workouts as my speedwork for the week, subbing fast running for the run intervals and slow running for the walk intervals.
Hills don't have to meet that specific of guidelines to help you improve. Pick one you like that isn't too long, like I think katharmonic mentioned and go high intensity up, recover down.
The good news is, if you don't get the intervals/recovery/hills/etc perfect, you're still getting a huge benefit by doing something to improve your speed.
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katharmonic wrote: »@durhammfp here's some examples of basic speedwork sessions that my coach has us do on a cycle.
Hill repeats - just find a hill that takes a minute or so to run up to the top. Alternate running up halfway, jogging back down, run all the way up, jog back down, and keep alternating for between 15-30 minutes total.
Short intervals: e.g. 1 minute intervals with 1 minute recoveries between (jog or walk recovery) x 12 times. These can be done out and back or on a track you can keep looping around. Run as hard as you can sustain for 1 minute at a time, 12 times.
Long intervals: 5-7-3 minute intervals x 2 sets with 90 seconds recovery between.
I am putting these in my back pocket. Thanks! So for your long intervals you mean 5 minutes hard, 90 sec recovery, 7 minutes hard, 90 sec recovery, 3 minutes hard, 90 sec recovery, then do it again. Right?
@durhammfp yes that's correct. The recovery varies from 60 seconds to 2 minutes, something like 90 seconds for the first half of the intervals and then 60 seconds for the last half. I can never remember so I just do 90 if I'm doing it on my own.2 -
10-1 7k easy
10-2 7k slow
10-3 7k slow
10-4 7k easy
October Total: 28k
October Goal: 170k
January Total: 161k
February Total: 167k
March Total: 181k
April Total: 191k
May Total: 200k
June Total: 156k
July Total: 180k
August Total: 172k
September Total: 176k
2020 Total through September: 1584k / 176k per month
Mostly cloudy, 50 degrees F, and a little breeze from the southeast. Watch found the GPS satellite right away; I was afraid I'd have to do a reset. Saw a red fox.
When you pop in here claiming your December 2020 mileage, what accomplishments will you have made?
Return to a good running weight of 175 lbs
Run at least 4 5k races
Get a 5k PR
Average at least 138k per month, to meet my Run the Year pledge of 1,020 miles
Stretch goal: If I can average 169k per month, I can run 2020k in 2020
Run the Year Team: Pavement Pounders -- Completed 9-29
2020 races:
9-8 to 9-13 "Virtual Boston with Vincent" Time goal 5:15:00; actual time 4:47:014 -
@durhammfp - I tried to make the distinctions of “PT” clear enough because different things share initials... but I probably got fuzzy somewhere.
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I eventually in this process sought the services of “PT” in the form of Personal Trainer while the “PT” Physical Therapist was forbidding running, because not running (and still staying on a relatively healthy track) led to my lifting capacity exceeding my ability to self correct on form.... it was the Trainer who gave the recommendation to an orthopedic specific doc, who he had worked with since he was a collegiate athlete, so some known sports medicine experience, and still recommends.... who has a closely associated “PT” as in Physical Therapist, which led to progress.
But, i still seem to need additional support/intervention when I reach 10 miles a week or more.
OK gotcha! I'm glad you got that wonky ankle 'resolved' or at least to the point where you could really start running again.
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Hi all. Have been quiet the last few days as a combo of sickness (mine and/or the kids) plus relentless torrential rain has meant I have not yet had a run in October. I’m now feeling better physically but a mess mentally and need to get out there!!
Hopefully tomorrow morning will be better. In the meantime, @TheMrWobbly I am in for Run the World and would love it if we all passed through my hometown of London UK!
Brave souls are running a squelchy marathon here today. I wanted to watch but am too busy attending to the rain that has now made its way into my house (yes it is raining in at least two separate parts of the house, sigh...)
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@martaindale Yeah for the longer run and faster than normal. You are doing great! And, you're right. You can't fail as long as you are moving forward!
@rheddmobile Thanks for the honesty. I know that is going to be the worst part - the chest cracked open. Getting the bone to heal back as quickly as possible will be the number one concern. The only broken bone that I recall having was an elbow back in 1994. It didn't really hurt, unless I accidently moved it too much. I suspect this will be a lot different.
@hanlonsk Wow! Another inspirational story. So sorry about all that you had to go through and that your partner was NOT supportive or just didn't care that you were in pain. Glad you are trying again. I have a feeling this is the time that it will take and you are going to keep it up!
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@HonuNui Even in not ideal conditions, I love the picture!
@ContraryMaryMary Glad your finally can run, and walk down stairs, without the soleus muscles giving your grief! Thanks for the input. I know that the surgeon, his PA at least, is a runner, so they understand. Not sure, being in a small town, that I will have the luxury of having everyone I deal with being a runner. I have already decided that I am going to try to get them to forgo Cardiac Rehab because I know, from when dad went through it, that the local person is NOT a runner and follows all of the government recommendations, which I don't agree with. Also, the rehab nurse if very overweight herself and doesn't try to do better - I know because she is my cousin. LOL
@Faebert Glad you and yours are feeling better. So sorry about the rain "inside" the house. Hope it's not too hard to stop/fix. I feel for you.
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After 4 sub 1 hour 10ks in 18 months before this week today was the 3rd in the last 4 days. I'm not sure what to do with that information other than maybe go farther?11
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I am nowhere near caught up here but wanted to comment on a few things and then I will come back and catch up on the rest...
@eleanorhawkins - great job on your virtual race! I have never been able to really push myself for my virtual races so I am very impressed by those who can really get a pr running one! Awesome!
@TheMrWobbly - That is such a fun great idea! Thank you!! I am definitely in, running from Anaheim, CA (you can use Disneyland as a location marker 😂)
Wow! @rheddmobile - that was quite a journey! I also knew bits and pieces from over the years here but putting it all together makes it more incredible! Makes me wonder though just how many people that ER doctor has misdiagnosed over the years. Scary!
@noblsheep - That article is great, wish I had seen it previously some of the times I have needed to rehabilitate! Also I use my toothbrushing time to do single leg stands to help with my ankle strength and balance although it helps the entire chain.
Monthly question... Had to give this some long thought as I have had a few, some running related (plantar fasciitis, shin splints, metatarsal stress fracture) and some running affected (arthritis in my knee, hand surgery, etc.).
Some background - when I was 14 I had rheumatic fever and was on strict bed rest for a year. Since my bedroom was upstairs my mom moved me to the downstairs den and I could walk to the bathroom 5 steps away in the hall and to the kitchen (even this was not approved but since I was home alone it was a necessity) and that was it. No activity, no excitement, no friends. Homework was sent home and I could watch the limited TV we had at the time. I was also on heavy doses of steroids. As a result I was very heavy afterwards but still with some damage to my heart and joints. Fast forward many years and I have (finally) lost the weight, my rheumatologist told me to keep moving or I will lose the ability/mobility to do so and my HR was going lower and lower until it was becoming harder and harder to run very far even slowly. I struggled with it off and on for the last year until I was frustrated and frightened enough to go back and see the cardiologist (I was seeing him as a precaution every 6 months already). I knew a pacemaker was a possibility I didn't realize it had gotten to the point of being a requirement. This last June I had the PM implanted and while it is better it has been an incredibly hard adjustment. Going from a RHR of 30 to 60 (paced) is hard and feels weird. Going from never getting above 120 on a run even sprinting, to a steady 140 (paced) now on an easy run or walk and feeling completely wiped out as if I had run as hard as I could. One issue I have had, is most doctors and techs dealing with people with PMs are used to older (ok I am), sedentary, unfit people. So having someone who is active and needs more than just a boost up in pace has been difficult but we are getting there. I do appreciate that the EP doctor chose a PM for me that is a bit unusual (it was only available at one hospital and there are only a handful of techs that support it) in that it will 'learn' my requirements and adjust appropriately. It just takes time. I am trying to be patient, trying to take it easy on my runs and walking or stopping as needed. I know it will get better over time as I adjust and the PM learns my requirements and the doctors get it adjusted. I am looking forward to when I can run further and really do speed work again and get my pace down from the 12-13min miles I seem to be forever stuck at. For now I will keep at it, little by little it will improve.
@quilteryoyo - I know that you too will require patience to get back to where you are today but I also have confidence that you will get there and we will be right here cheering you along!
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@Teresa502 Thanks. That's what I am hoping for too.
Thanks @katharmonic. It was definitely stressful.
Thanks @rheddmobile. I am trying to take good care of me. This year has definitely had a lot of stress.
@honunui Love the snorkeling photo.
@Faebert Sorry about the rain in the house. Been there, done that. It is no fun. Hope you and the kiddos are feeling better.0 -
October Goal: 100 Miles
10/1: 6.24 miles
10/4: 11.02 miles
17.26/100 miles completed for October
1077.20/1000 miles for Run the Year Team Pavement Pounders
This morning's run was just wonderful. The weather was absolutely perfect running weather. It was 57°F at the start and even after the sun came up it was only about 60°F when I finished. I felt good and just really enjoyed it. I didn't even cry any and that's the first run in a couple of weeks that I didn't. I ran 11 miles and honestly felt like I could keep going forever. I love runs like that.
2020 races:
11/7/20: Run for 57th AHC Half Marathon12 -
5k tempo plus 5k walk yesterday. So the good news is it was just a shade under my race pace the week before but felt much easier. And also my knee didn’t feel touchy after. I wish the weather would stay like this for longer!7
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@TheMrWobbly WTG! Go further or faster, depending on what your ultimate goals are.
@shanaber I can't imagine having to be on strict bedrest for an entire year. That in itself doesn't seem very healthy. Wonder if they have changed the treatment since then. I know you are still dealing with the PM issues. Glad you got the one that "learns," just wish it learned a little faster as I'm sure you do too. You're patience and persistence is inspiring. Thanks. I will need all of the cheering I can get, I'm sure.
@kgirlhart Glad you had such a good run this morning!
I had planned to run this afternoon, but my friend wanted to play tennis again. She is leaving tomorrow to go see her 102 year old mother in another state and then the next week will be leaving for her winter stay in FL. So, this may be the last time I get to play with her this year. The weather was perfect. I'm enjoying these fall days.5
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