Strict calories deficit: not losing weight!!!!!
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Dogmom1978 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »msalicia07 wrote: »I track things in my diary that are private so I won't be making it public. Maybe I will find a way to share it through screen shots with someone encouraging in the future. Thanks for all the responses and suggestions!
🤔 trying to figure out what foods are so naughty they can’t be seen. The torture is real.
I've had a couple of binges where I ate things in quantities or combinations that would be . . . awkward if I knew some people IRL knew about them. Over the internet, I tend not to be hung up on it, especially since I'm generally candid about the fact that I've struggled with disordered eating.
I mean, if someone found out about it, I'd deal with the embarrassment, but I can understand why some people might be more shy about sharing their dairy.
(Of course, if I was in the midst of rough things and eating margarine straight out of the tub with Splenda and cinnamon dumped on top, I would also understand why my weight loss wasn't behaving as expected and I wouldn't be blaming it on my hormones, so it's kind of moot for the purposes of this discussion).
Yup.
And while I don't disbelieve people who say their MFP "friends" hector them about their food choices, or that they've seen people be beaten up about it in threads, I haven't really experienced that myself.
I accept all friend requests (except from the guys with no profile info whose friends are all cute flexing woman, and whose forum history is non-existent or all flirty stuff in Chit-Chat 🤣). It's clear from profile page comments and questions that my MFP friends do read my diary. (Just today I was answering questions about edamame fettuccine.)
I'll admit to not logging some of my confusing high days here in year 5 of maintenance, but I've logged them often along the way, and still log some crazy things (irresponsible levels of IPA or cocktails in a day (not driving!!), a whole deep-dish pizza all by myself in one meal, baskets of deep-fried whatever with a bucket'o'ketchup, major wallows in chocolate . . . these are not daily or even super-frequent things, but they're in there, and they're in the diary of someone who regularly encourages good nutrition, so the hypocrisy card could be played, if someone wanted to (I'd laugh, frankly).
There has been no criticism. Crickets.
I don't read every thread (though I'm sure it seems like it), but I haven't seen a lot of criticism in threads, either, outside of the occasional evangelical new convert to a tricksy new eating routine who thinks everyone should follow their One True Way (TM), and those preachers usually get kick-back from folks who enjoy their oreos. Mostly, I've seen comments along the lines that if the the reply-er ate donuts for breakfast they'd be starving by lunch too, or that eating some veggies might help with satiation - mild, and honest but clear stuff.
I don't get the coyness or shame. (Personally, I don't think OP here is being super coy, either, BTW.)
People get better advice when they open up, and have some resilience to others' opinions. 🤷♀️
Oooh you mentioned Oreos. I love Oreos. 😆
I don't. Dark brown fiberboard circles with denatured dollar store toothpaste in between. You can 100% have my share, and welcome to 'em. 🤣
People do get passionate about their Oreos, though! 😉
I'm totally with you here! Don't understand why so many people seem to love them. They don't taste like anything.3 -
You need to eat more your body will hold onto fat it happened to me I was 146lbs and 5ft 2 exercised a lot on 1200-1300 calories I plateuaed fro weeks in need a personal trainer upped my calories to 1665 and I then lost 18lbs in 9 weeks and loads inches1
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You need to eat more your body will hold onto fat it happened to me I was 146lbs and 5ft 2 exercised a lot on 1200-1300 calories I plateuaed fro weeks in need a personal trainer upped my calories to 1665 and I then lost 18lbs in 9 weeks and loads inches
Your body does not hold onto fat. If that was the case then you'd be eating in a deficit and still not getting any nutrition, hence staying hungry, getting sick due to lack of minerals and vitamins, etc. You can't use food to fuel your body and store it as fat at the same time. And btw, have you ever seen a starving person that is fat? Seen any news items from Yemen recently for example?6 -
You need to eat more your body will hold onto fat it happened to me I was 146lbs and 5ft 2 exercised a lot on 1200-1300 calories I plateuaed fro weeks in need a personal trainer upped my calories to 1665 and I then lost 18lbs in 9 weeks and loads inches
To add to that, can you name one evolutionary advantage for being fat but dead? How would that work as an advantage?5 -
You need to eat more your body will hold onto fat it happened to me I was 146lbs and 5ft 2 exercised a lot on 1200-1300 calories I plateuaed fro weeks in need a personal trainer upped my calories to 1665 and I then lost 18lbs in 9 weeks and loads inches
Not saying your experience isn't real, and I agree eating too little is not a good idea. But it was probably water retention due to the stress from lots of exercise and a large calorie deficit that caused the plateau.9 -
Agree with yirara . We never seen people hungry and fat. Evolution worked the direction to have us survive sturvation which happened all the time in paleolit. To save us, evolution really made our metabolism lowered at sturvation times. But our vew on sturvation is compeletely different. Real sturvation starts after few days of having no food at all, beleive or not it's could be 5 to 7 days. How in the world not eating longer than 6 hrs we state as sturvation in modern time???
Scientists etnographists going to Australia or Africa to live with wild tribes. They discovered that these people when they hunting or far from home for many days, eat and drink a day so little that in our undestending would not even be considered a snack. It's very naturally for human be hungry from time to time, be full sometime, eat little some time. We can manage every mode of eating. Remember, we and only we passed all kinds of environmental changes. We are on the top of evolution chain. Why not to use it in our advantage?1 -
Agree with yirara . We never seen people hungry and fat. Evolution worked the direction to have us survive sturvation which happened all the time in paleolit. To save us, evolution really made our metabolism lowered at sturvation times. But our vew on sturvation is compeletely different. Real sturvation starts after few days of having no food at all, beleive or not it's could be 5 to 7 days. How in the world not eating longer than 6 hrs we state as sturvation in modern time???
Scientists etnographists going to Australia or Africa to live with wild tribes. They discovered that these people when they hunting or far from home for many days, eat and drink a day so little that in our undestending would not even be considered a snack. It's very naturally for human be hungry from time to time, be full sometime, eat little some time. We can manage every mode of eating. Remember, we and only we passed all kinds of environmental changes. We are on the top of evolution chain. Why not to use it in our advantage?
Humans are not the only species that has managed to survive all sorts of environmental changes. Every species that exists on earth right now is the result of successful adaptation. There is no "chain" of evolution, there is no "top." There are simply species that adapt and continue and those that don't.
That humans in the past have managed to live on little food for lengthy periods isn't necessarily an indication that this is the BEST method for us to follow. It simply means it is A method that is compatible with human life.5 -
Ok , many species adopted well, but now time they requre protection, they sure can not adopt to a new realeteis. But debate about evolution is only for explonation why human beens can stay hungry and survive. We can stay hungry and eat little without worrying that our metabolism will slow down. This is far from our real life. 24 hrs fast won't slow your metabolism, trust me.1
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Ok , many species adopted well, but now time they requre protection, they sure can not adopt to a new realeteis. But debate about evolution is only for explonation why human beens can stay hungry and survive. We can stay hungry and eat little without worrying that our metabolism will slow down. This is far from our real life. 24 hrs fast won't slow your metabolism, trust me.
There is 0 reason to do a 24 hr fast for weight loss though.7 -
Ok , many species adopted well, but now time they requre protection, they sure can not adopt to a new realeteis. But debate about evolution is only for explonation why human beens can stay hungry and survive. We can stay hungry and eat little without worrying that our metabolism will slow down. This is far from our real life. 24 hrs fast won't slow your metabolism, trust me.
That your species survived to date isn't a sign that you're perfectly adapted and nothing bad can ever happen to you though. If I go out into the sun regularly, my skin becomes damaged and my risk of disease goes up. This is far from ideal, but it happens.
That humans CAN survive without food for extended periods doesn't guarantee that nothing bad will happen to an individual who tries it. It simply means that humans adapted so that SOME of us will survive that situation and live long enough to pass on our genes to offspring. Nothing more, nothing less.
It's a fallacy to think that evolution suggests we have the best possible adaptation or that surviving something means that we'll thrive in that situation.8 -
You are rite, many species adopted well on earth along with humans. What happens to humans now? Why only humans suffer diabetis and weight gain problems vs. wild animals? Notice, domesticated animals like dogs and cats also got it. They suffer heart attacks, arthritis, canser, diabetis like humans.0
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I think this thread has officially been all over the place.9
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You are rite, many species adopted well on earth along with humans. What happens to humans now? Why only humans suffer diabetis and weight gain problems vs. wild animals? Notice, domesticated animals like dogs and cats also got it. They suffer heart attacks, arthritis, canser, diabetis like humans.
You answered your own question. Humans aren't the only animals who gain excess weight and suffer from the illnesses associated with it. Domesticated animals also can experience it, as well as wild animals in captivity.
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dragon_girl26 wrote: »I think this thread has officially been all over the place.
The main point being that Oreos are delicious though, right??10 -
Your BMR is 1500? Why won't you post your weight but post a whole lot of other stuff?1
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Go_Deskercise wrote: »dragon_girl26 wrote: »I think this thread has officially been all over the place.
The main point being that Oreos are delicious though, right??
Oreos crumbled up into real vanilla ice cream. That's where it's at.6 -
ChristopherLimoges wrote: »Your BMR is 1500? Why won't you post your weight but post a whole lot of other stuff?bethanyjxx wrote: »tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »How tall are you and what do you currently weigh?
Hi! Thanks for replying! I am 5''7 and 156 pounds
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I would suggest your meals be as plain as possible before anything else.
Complex carbs, plain.
Protein, plain and lean(but beware of even chicken breasts, consistently), suspended broiled/baked.
Fats, are more difficult, hence methods of cooking prior to this macro. Try to use low amounts and reduce saturated and trans fats?2 -
ChristopherLimoges wrote: »I would suggest your meals be as plain as possible before anything else.
Complex carbs, plain.
Protein, plain and lean(but beware of even chicken breasts, consistently), suspended broiled/baked.
Fats, are more difficult, hence methods of cooking prior to this macro. Try to use low amounts and reduce saturated and trans fats?
Sound advice imho. I can post a crap ton of research that supports this advice. Reduction of food variety has shown to decrease intake in ad librium studies. There is a great amount of evidence that restricting a macronutrient effects intakes. For this instance, we are just jerking around here. OP is not willing to give out the info needed to help. I am personally calling this thread dead....4 -
Go_Deskercise wrote: »dragon_girl26 wrote: »I think this thread has officially been all over the place.
The main point being that Oreos are delicious though, right??
Absolutely..what other take away could we possibly need?2 -
psychod787 wrote: »OP is not willing to give out the info needed to help. I am personally calling this thread dead....
I'm not sure the OP is unwilling to do anything. When asked for her height and weight, early on, she responded. I think the thread got derailed as a result of comments posted by someone else who IS unwilling to share info.
OP, see my questions above, give your answers in one post and perhaps you'll get some info that will help from people who have seen pretty much everything before.3 -
bethanyjxx wrote: »tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »How tall are you and what do you currently weigh?
Hi! Thanks for replying! I am 5''7 and 156 pounds
This puts you in the normal normal bmi range (I make your bmi 24.4). I wonder, what is your goal weight? You probably can't expect to lose very fast anyway with a normal bmi. Also to me (at four inches taller), 1300 seems quite low as a calorie intake for your height.
It does seem to me that the bloating might well have something to do with what you are epxeriencing, and i also wonder if you have een a doctor?1 -
This thread got me like
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msalicia07 wrote: »This thread got me like
So..... you're the elephant in the room... 😳4 -
psychod787 wrote: »msalicia07 wrote: »This thread got me like
So..... you're the elephant in the room... 😳
Just trying to flex my Halloween costume early 😏 NBD
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msalicia07 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »msalicia07 wrote: »This thread got me like
So..... you're the elephant in the room... 😳
Just trying to flex my Halloween costume early 😏 NBD
Going as a fat cat?🤔1 -
psychod787 wrote: »ChristopherLimoges wrote: »I would suggest your meals be as plain as possible before anything else.
Complex carbs, plain.
Protein, plain and lean(but beware of even chicken breasts, consistently), suspended broiled/baked.
Fats, are more difficult, hence methods of cooking prior to this macro. Try to use low amounts and reduce saturated and trans fats?
Sound advice imho. I can post a crap ton of research that supports this advice. Reduction of food variety has shown to decrease intake in ad librium studies. There is a great amount of evidence that restricting a macronutrient effects intakes. For this instance, we are just jerking around here. OP is not willing to give out the info needed to help. I am personally calling this thread dead....
There may be ample research evidence for the effectiveness of eating in a boring or sub-pleasant way for weight management, but to me it sounds like a miserable strategy to undertake, unless truly, truly essential. I suspect I may have non-standard tastes, but IMO there are plenty of very tasty, calorie-appropriate, filling foods in the world, and a variety of delightful ways to prepare them that make eating them an even more positive, enjoyable experience.
"Eat plain boring things" sounds subjectively like the "never eat grain or flour ever again" advice, maybe necessary or the best approach for some with particular appetite-control issues, but not necessarily good first-call universal advice for all (even though I hear and believe what you're saying about research findings).
Personally, I think I might even be inclined to eat *more* of boring food in a desperate search for eating pleasure, vs. enjoying something I can truly savor. That's speculation, though. I'm not going to do the experiment by switching to things I think are plain, repetitive, boring.9 -
psychod787 wrote: »ChristopherLimoges wrote: »I would suggest your meals be as plain as possible before anything else.
Complex carbs, plain.
Protein, plain and lean(but beware of even chicken breasts, consistently), suspended broiled/baked.
Fats, are more difficult, hence methods of cooking prior to this macro. Try to use low amounts and reduce saturated and trans fats?
Sound advice imho. I can post a crap ton of research that supports this advice. Reduction of food variety has shown to decrease intake in ad librium studies. There is a great amount of evidence that restricting a macronutrient effects intakes. For this instance, we are just jerking around here. OP is not willing to give out the info needed to help. I am personally calling this thread dead....
There may be ample research evidence for the effectiveness of eating in a boring or sub-pleasant way for weight management, but to me it sounds like a miserable strategy to undertake, unless truly, truly essential. I suspect I may have non-standard tastes, but IMO there are plenty of very tasty, calorie-appropriate, filling foods in the world, and a variety of delightful ways to prepare them that make eating them an even more positive, enjoyable experience.
"Eat plain boring things" sounds subjectively like the "never eat grain or flour ever again" advice, maybe necessary or the best approach for some with particular appetite-control issues, but not necessarily good first-call universal advice for all (even though I hear and believe what you're saying about research findings).
Personally, I think I might even be inclined to eat *more* of boring food in a desperate search for eating pleasure, vs. enjoying something I can truly savor. That's speculation, though. I'm not going to do the experiment by switching to things I think are plain, repetitive, boring.
Seconded. I would even go so far as to say that if I tried to eat a boring diet, I'd probably just end up binging on the enjoyable things I attempt to eliminate.
I would think a boring diet would run in the same vein as a fad diet in that it's usually is fine for a short term, but ultimately unsustainable long term for a lot of people. With that in mind, how effective can it truly be overall?4 -
psychod787 wrote: »ChristopherLimoges wrote: »I would suggest your meals be as plain as possible before anything else.
Complex carbs, plain.
Protein, plain and lean(but beware of even chicken breasts, consistently), suspended broiled/baked.
Fats, are more difficult, hence methods of cooking prior to this macro. Try to use low amounts and reduce saturated and trans fats?
Sound advice imho. I can post a crap ton of research that supports this advice. Reduction of food variety has shown to decrease intake in ad librium studies. There is a great amount of evidence that restricting a macronutrient effects intakes. For this instance, we are just jerking around here. OP is not willing to give out the info needed to help. I am personally calling this thread dead....
There may be ample research evidence for the effectiveness of eating in a boring or sub-pleasant way for weight management, but to me it sounds like a miserable strategy to undertake, unless truly, truly essential. I suspect I may have non-standard tastes, but IMO there are plenty of very tasty, calorie-appropriate, filling foods in the world, and a variety of delightful ways to prepare them that make eating them an even more positive, enjoyable experience.
"Eat plain boring things" sounds subjectively like the "never eat grain or flour ever again" advice, maybe necessary or the best approach for some with particular appetite-control issues, but not necessarily good first-call universal advice for all (even though I hear and believe what you're saying about research findings).
Personally, I think I might even be inclined to eat *more* of boring food in a desperate search for eating pleasure, vs. enjoying something I can truly savor. That's speculation, though. I'm not going to do the experiment by switching to things I think are plain, repetitive, boring.
I think that some people might need to make a clean break from the SAD. This goes counter to what is popular on this site. Many people need a good dose of discipline, routine,structure, and maybe a little self denial. I COMPLETELY AGREE that some people will find this route unsustainable, but there are others it's the change they need. Some folks need to have time for their palate and brain to relearn how food taste. They need to learn that simple can be quite satisfying for some. Until some let go of the emotional attachments they place on certain foods, it might be an up hill battle for them to succeed.dragon_girl26 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »ChristopherLimoges wrote: »I would suggest your meals be as plain as possible before anything else.
Complex carbs, plain.
Protein, plain and lean(but beware of even chicken breasts, consistently), suspended broiled/baked.
Fats, are more difficult, hence methods of cooking prior to this macro. Try to use low amounts and reduce saturated and trans fats?
Sound advice imho. I can post a crap ton of research that supports this advice. Reduction of food variety has shown to decrease intake in ad librium studies. There is a great amount of evidence that restricting a macronutrient effects intakes. For this instance, we are just jerking around here. OP is not willing to give out the info needed to help. I am personally calling this thread dead....
There may be ample research evidence for the effectiveness of eating in a boring or sub-pleasant way for weight management, but to me it sounds like a miserable strategy to undertake, unless truly, truly essential. I suspect I may have non-standard tastes, but IMO there are plenty of very tasty, calorie-appropriate, filling foods in the world, and a variety of delightful ways to prepare them that make eating them an even more positive, enjoyable experience.
"Eat plain boring things" sounds subjectively like the "never eat grain or flour ever again" advice, maybe necessary or the best approach for some with particular appetite-control issues, but not necessarily good first-call universal advice for all (even though I hear and believe what you're saying about research findings).
Personally, I think I might even be inclined to eat *more* of boring food in a desperate search for eating pleasure, vs. enjoying something I can truly savor. That's speculation, though. I'm not going to do the experiment by switching to things I think are plain, repetitive, boring.
Seconded. I would even go so far as to say that if I tried to eat a boring diet, I'd probably just end up binging on the enjoyable things I attempt to eliminate.
I would think a boring diet would run in the same vein as a fad diet in that it's usually is fine for a short term, but ultimately unsustainable long term for a lot of people. With that in mind, how effective can it truly be overall?
Just because something is not popular here does not make it "bad".Eating a less palatable diet is not a fad. Our ancestors did it for thousands of years. Hell, if we look back in history a few hundred years ago, there was little obesity. Generally the obese were the wealthiest who could afford to eat like a normal person does today. I use normal loosely btw. Oh, was there famine? Bring that up before someone tries to pigeonhole me. Though,there were times of plenty as well. Know what we see? Nor an explosion of waistlines, but kids! Population growth. That seems to be the default for animals when there is an abundance of food. So, we look at the average diet of the "normal" people several hundred years ago. What was it? Plain and simple. Not saying there were not times of gluttony, but far less.
**edit** I'm going to say that our ancestors were more active as well. They had a word for exercise... "life". This group on MFP is an extreme subset of folks. We tend to be more active, but being active does not completely explain why folks didn't blow up during times of plenty.7 -
psychod787 wrote: »ChristopherLimoges wrote: »I would suggest your meals be as plain as possible before anything else.
Complex carbs, plain.
Protein, plain and lean(but beware of even chicken breasts, consistently), suspended broiled/baked.
Fats, are more difficult, hence methods of cooking prior to this macro. Try to use low amounts and reduce saturated and trans fats?
Sound advice imho. I can post a crap ton of research that supports this advice. Reduction of food variety has shown to decrease intake in ad librium studies. There is a great amount of evidence that restricting a macronutrient effects intakes. For this instance, we are just jerking around here. OP is not willing to give out the info needed to help. I am personally calling this thread dead....
There may be ample research evidence for the effectiveness of eating in a boring or sub-pleasant way for weight management, but to me it sounds like a miserable strategy to undertake, unless truly, truly essential. I suspect I may have non-standard tastes, but IMO there are plenty of very tasty, calorie-appropriate, filling foods in the world, and a variety of delightful ways to prepare them that make eating them an even more positive, enjoyable experience.
"Eat plain boring things" sounds subjectively like the "never eat grain or flour ever again" advice, maybe necessary or the best approach for some with particular appetite-control issues, but not necessarily good first-call universal advice for all (even though I hear and believe what you're saying about research findings).
Personally, I think I might even be inclined to eat *more* of boring food in a desperate search for eating pleasure, vs. enjoying something I can truly savor. That's speculation, though. I'm not going to do the experiment by switching to things I think are plain, repetitive, boring.
I'm someone who is very prone to "snapping" and going out to get food if I'm bored by what I've got at home. This is one reason why I'm always sure to plan meals that are exciting to me while still fitting in my calorie goal. If my meal plan was plain lean protein and plain complex carbs, my fridge would always be full of them . . . because I'd be at the Taco Bell drive-through.
I know some people have success with the plain monomeal style of eating, but this is a situation where it is very good to know yourself and what works for you.3
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