Strict calories deficit: not losing weight!!!!!

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psychod787 wrote: »

ChristopherLimoges wrote: »

I would suggest your meals be as plain as possible before anything else.

Complex carbs, plain.
Protein, plain and lean(but beware of even chicken breasts, consistently), suspended broiled/baked.
Fats, are more difficult, hence methods of cooking prior to this macro. Try to use low amounts and reduce saturated and trans fats?

Sound advice imho. I can post a crap ton of research that supports this advice. Reduction of food variety has shown to decrease intake in ad librium studies. There is a great amount of evidence that restricting a macronutrient effects intakes. For this instance, we are just jerking around here. OP is not willing to give out the info needed to help. I am personally calling this thread dead....

There may be ample research evidence for the effectiveness of eating in a boring or sub-pleasant way for weight management, but to me it sounds like a miserable strategy to undertake, unless truly, truly essential. I suspect I may have non-standard tastes, but IMO there are plenty of very tasty, calorie-appropriate, filling foods in the world, and a variety of delightful ways to prepare them that make eating them an even more positive, enjoyable experience.

"Eat plain boring things" sounds subjectively like the "never eat grain or flour ever again" advice, maybe necessary or the best approach for some with particular appetite-control issues, but not necessarily good first-call universal advice for all (even though I hear and believe what you're saying about research findings).

Personally, I think I might even be inclined to eat *more* of boring food in a desperate search for eating pleasure, vs. enjoying something I can truly savor. That's speculation, though. I'm not going to do the experiment by switching to things I think are plain, repetitive, boring.

AnnPT77 wrote: »

psychod787 wrote: »

ChristopherLimoges wrote: »

I would suggest your meals be as plain as possible before anything else.

Complex carbs, plain.
Protein, plain and lean(but beware of even chicken breasts, consistently), suspended broiled/baked.
Fats, are more difficult, hence methods of cooking prior to this macro. Try to use low amounts and reduce saturated and trans fats?

Sound advice imho. I can post a crap ton of research that supports this advice. Reduction of food variety has shown to decrease intake in ad librium studies. There is a great amount of evidence that restricting a macronutrient effects intakes. For this instance, we are just jerking around here. OP is not willing to give out the info needed to help. I am personally calling this thread dead....

There may be ample research evidence for the effectiveness of eating in a boring or sub-pleasant way for weight management, but to me it sounds like a miserable strategy to undertake, unless truly, truly essential. I suspect I may have non-standard tastes, but IMO there are plenty of very tasty, calorie-appropriate, filling foods in the world, and a variety of delightful ways to prepare them that make eating them an even more positive, enjoyable experience.

"Eat plain boring things" sounds subjectively like the "never eat grain or flour ever again" advice, maybe necessary or the best approach for some with particular appetite-control issues, but not necessarily good first-call universal advice for all (even though I hear and believe what you're saying about research findings).

Personally, I think I might even be inclined to eat *more* of boring food in a desperate search for eating pleasure, vs. enjoying something I can truly savor. That's speculation, though. I'm not going to do the experiment by switching to things I think are plain, repetitive, boring.

I think that some people might need to make a clean break from the SAD. This goes counter to what is popular on this site. Many people need a good dose of discipline, routine,structure, and maybe a little self denial. I COMPLETELY AGREE that some people will find this route unsustainable, but there are others it's the change they need. Some folks need to have time for their palate and brain to relearn how food taste. They need to learn that simple can be quite satisfying for some. Until some let go of the emotional attachments they place on certain foods, it might be an up hill battle for them to succeed.

dragon_girl26 wrote: »

AnnPT77 wrote: »

psychod787 wrote: »

ChristopherLimoges wrote: »

I would suggest your meals be as plain as possible before anything else.

Complex carbs, plain.
Protein, plain and lean(but beware of even chicken breasts, consistently), suspended broiled/baked.
Fats, are more difficult, hence methods of cooking prior to this macro. Try to use low amounts and reduce saturated and trans fats?

Sound advice imho. I can post a crap ton of research that supports this advice. Reduction of food variety has shown to decrease intake in ad librium studies. There is a great amount of evidence that restricting a macronutrient effects intakes. For this instance, we are just jerking around here. OP is not willing to give out the info needed to help. I am personally calling this thread dead....

There may be ample research evidence for the effectiveness of eating in a boring or sub-pleasant way for weight management, but to me it sounds like a miserable strategy to undertake, unless truly, truly essential. I suspect I may have non-standard tastes, but IMO there are plenty of very tasty, calorie-appropriate, filling foods in the world, and a variety of delightful ways to prepare them that make eating them an even more positive, enjoyable experience.

"Eat plain boring things" sounds subjectively like the "never eat grain or flour ever again" advice, maybe necessary or the best approach for some with particular appetite-control issues, but not necessarily good first-call universal advice for all (even though I hear and believe what you're saying about research findings).

Personally, I think I might even be inclined to eat *more* of boring food in a desperate search for eating pleasure, vs. enjoying something I can truly savor. That's speculation, though. I'm not going to do the experiment by switching to things I think are plain, repetitive, boring.

Seconded. I would even go so far as to say that if I tried to eat a boring diet, I'd probably just end up binging on the enjoyable things I attempt to eliminate.

I would think a boring diet would run in the same vein as a fad diet in that it's usually is fine for a short term, but ultimately unsustainable long term for a lot of people. With that in mind, how effective can it truly be overall?

Just because something is not popular here does not make it "bad".Eating a less palatable diet is not a fad. Our ancestors did it for thousands of years. Hell, if we look back in history a few hundred years ago, there was little obesity. Generally the obese were the wealthiest who could afford to eat like a normal person does today. I use normal loosely btw. Oh, was there famine? Bring that up before someone tries to pigeonhole me. Though,there were times of plenty as well. Know what we see? Nor an explosion of waistlines, but kids! Population growth. That seems to be the default for animals when there is an abundance of food. So, we look at the average diet of the "normal" people several hundred years ago. What was it? Plain and simple. Not saying there were not times of gluttony, but far less.


**edit** I'm going to say that our ancestors were more active as well. They had a word for exercise... "life". This group on MFP is an extreme subset of folks. We tend to be more active, but being active does not completely explain why folks didn't blow up during times of plenty.