WOMEN AGES 50+ FOR MAY 2023
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Good afternoon all!
Pip- Love the paint job and the barrel fountain! I like the new fountain as well. Please post pics when you get it set up. Are you thinking of flowers or greenery in or around it? My DH has had accidents from time to time. It is usually when he is sick or when his RA is so bad that he can't make it to the bathroom. I bought him a box of the men's adult diaper/briefs. He hates them; but he will wear them around the house or out for a drive or walk with a longer jacket or shirt, when he feels he might need them. I feel for Kirby, and any others who get these little "surprises" even when they are feeling healthy.
Rita- You sound much more chipper. Has the weather moderated a bit?
Rebecca- Only one time has my DH commented (Yuck!) about something a child was eating. I whacked him on the head with a wooden spoon. Talk like that could cause a mutiny in my childcare! lol
Beth- Ugh! Things hissing at you from behind the siding! Who needs THAT?! Sorry about your blender! It reminds me of a blender mishap I had a few years ago. I was making tomato soup for my childcare kid's lunch. One of the kids was watching me cook the tomatoes and pour them into the blender. He was talking and asking questions and I was so busy listening and answering that I forgot to put the lid on and hit "blend". Well, I had tomato soup/ chunks of tomato dripping off my ceiling! Child says, "Boy Miss Kel! That was cool! It looked like a volcano!" lol At least I was laughing instead of swearing.
Proms- Around here, prom is usually officially the Junior and Senior Prom. The Juniors plan and throw the prom (and may also attend) for the Seniors. Underclassmen may come as a guest/date of an upperclassman. I went every year; but the best/most fun year for me was my Senior year when I went with my cousin. lol No sexual pressure and we had a blast.
Food prices- I spend on average about $250/week on groceries. I feed my family of three (me, DH, and DYS) for the week AND I feed 12 children breakfast, lunch, and two snacks, five days a week. BUT...my grocery cost average pre-covid was about $175/week. *sigh It is what it is. My kiddos eat healthy home made meals, fruits and veggies for snacks. I could save money and time by giving them junk or processed pre made meals, but they are getting the majority of their health and nutrition while in my care. I also know that a lot of the parents cook only pizza, chicken nuggets, hot dogs for the kids. I figure, now they can do this and not feel so bad; knowing that the kids are eating well, here.
Well, it is about time to get the littles up from nap. 2 1/2 more hours with kids, an hour of work for dinner and clean and sanitize things. Then I can relax for the night. This is why walks/exercise at night is not going to happen for me. lol I HAVE to do it in the morning or I won't have the energy. Lately my morning exercise has been yoga and yard work. I got outside so early the other day, I scared a skunk out of my sandbox. Luckily he didn't spray much. It only smelled for a couple of hours. ttfn xoxoxo KJ (Kelly)
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UPDATED STATS-
Walk w/family- 2hrs 4min 39sec, 131elev, 3.10ap, 84ahr, 130mhr, 6.75mi= 651c
Strava app = 827c
Zwift home spin bike- strava stats- 32.11min, 151elev, 117aw, 18.8amph, 30gear, 99ahr, 134mhr, 10.06mi= 194c
Strava app= 216c
Zwift stats- 32.12min, 153elev, 117aw, 53arpm, 18.82amph, 10.1mi= 216c
Walk to donate blood and back- 22.51min, 1.13mi= 103c
Strava app= 138c
Total cal 948c1 -
18. Send a hand written note to someone you care about. Earlier this week to R’s son K.
Debbie you are a great shopper/food managaer, and BTW your 22K+ steps is so impressive. How many were you walking last year? As for the raccoon spring loaded cover, was it something like this?https://www.amazon.com/Rhino-ExcludersTM-Door-Squirrels-Chipmunks/dp/B09RQ2MWP1/ref=sr_1_24?crid=KWHTVNOBTH7T&keywords=exclusion+door&qid=1684432097&sprefix=exclusion+door,aps,203&sr=8-24
There are some cautions:
https://www.skedaddlewildlife.com/blog/be-careful-using-one-way-doors/
Later, lighter, lovelies!
Barbara, the Southern Oregon Coastie AHMOD
2023: Be of good cheer. May: Move more, fuel better, live NOW.
Not exactly like that- They looked just like the normal vent covers(rectangle shape) but were spring loaded. The ones you shared would not be anywhere big enough for these fat coons to get through. I am pretty sure the possum would get stuck too. Would not want to have to fight to get either of them out of that if they got stuck.
I have always been a frugal shopper. I don't really need to do it as much now but it is something I really enjoy doing- finding the bargains and figuring out a balanced meal to go with it.
Having the freezer(that is now cleaned out-yeah!!!) really helps. Like getting the ricotta that was close to pull date for .50cents. I had been getting cottage cheese and freezing it because when it defrosts, the texture is the same as ricotta. Love getting the real stuff for cheaper price.
I was walking less than half of what I am now a year ago. A year ago this week, I did 14K and 12K on zumba nights and averaged 5000 on the other days.
Sure wish the weight would start coming off. Not giving up but a bit discouraged. Still keeping calories between 1000-1200(1000 in case I am not tracking exactly right)and I do not much over, if at all, even on Zumba nights. I do allow a few extra treats on those nights(like 1/2 cup of chocolate peanut butter ice cream last night after class.
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Carla it’s not sauerkraut. It’s fried chopped cabbage and onions. I think it’s more of a filler. It’s really the spices and the bread that are very tasty!
Vicki we used to drive through your city. Now we take 81 straight north from 56. Our friends that used to live in Nebraska actually have a case of the Runza sandwiches shipped to them in Oregon now.
We just arrived back home! Now to clean up and set up our camper to move down to the resort we will be staying at. Then to talk to our caretaker tomorrow.
💕 Mary from Minnesota/Arizona2 -
Lanette-We used to give our spent beer grains to neighbors to feed their chickens. They said it saved a bit on food costs that way and we'd toss the grains anyway. Might be worth a check in your area to see if there are any homebrewers you can trade grains for a few eggs once in a while once they are laying. We'd get half dozen every 3rd or 4th time, which we loved.
Prom-For us it was for juniors and seniors. Juniors plan and decorate for the seniors. Both grades can go with dates. So, you can go if you're younger or older, but need to be the "date" of a junior or senior. I went both years, but hated having to ask someone. I didn't have a boyfriend my junior year, so that was torture for me. I probably would have preferred to not go, but my mother had none of that. LOL.
Debbie-Our Grocery Outlet is equally as expensive as the big name stores (Vons/Ralphs, etc.). I make my shopping list and compare when I'm shopping so I can see if I'm wasting time going to several markets. The least expensive store here that I've found and is reasonable for me to get to is a local Mexican market. They don't have everything I need (mostly specialty items), but they have the basics for a lot less.
Woke up with a migraine. Took some ibuprofen and it went away for a bit, but it has just made its way back. So, will retreat to the sofa.
Tina in CA
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Afternoon ladies
Ol Allie is woof just a mess ,the pollen is doing me in with no rain its been horrible..we should be getting some rain on Saterday so hopefully that will help.but even with the flonase.Im a hot mess..
Doris enjoyed the buffet
I only had a little bit.. and afterwards we went down and fed an apple to her daughters minature horse Chip.. he was happy to see us..
Will have to bring Miles to see him.
First picture is Miles reading the Christmas cookie book to himself
Second picture,out for a stroll with mom.
Tracy got emails from teachers..Carmine,skipping classes,playing on phone not paying attention, not staying after school to get extra help.
So Kyle and Tracy will talk with her after Miles is in bed,and the Ipod and phone will.be gone indefinitely. She will not be seeing Seth until she works on getting her grades up..4 -
Today's park adventure went great. We walked and talked. We donated 3 books to the little mini Street side library. She's such a great conversationalist. She said, "I love you Grandma", in our general chattings. My heart melted. I love her so much! We played my game of " black spaceship" where I told her the tire swing was her spaceship. As I pushed her, I gave her pinecones and told her she needed to throw them on the aliens! Which made her have to balance a bit more using just one hand. Heehee, I'm sneaky, if not crafty.😁
Tonight is biscuits and gravy making. Then tomorrow I ride the Amtrak home to Seattle at 12:00 noon then a bus to Mt Vernon, arriving at 5:something.💖
Rebecca
In Vancouver
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Groceries prices are ridiculous here too which I'm sure is the same all over. Have to travel for about an hour to get to No Frills which we tend to shop at more often. Will also go to Edmonton Costco about every 3 to 4 months to stock up.
Got my garden totally in. I think this is the earliest I have ever planted. Now hoping for rain. Had planted my tomato plants in the garden shortly after I got back from Ireland and they seem to be thriving. It got down to plus 4 last night so hoping they are still o.k. Weather is all over the place from +30 to +4. Not sure what to expect this summer. I noticed that all the fruit trees are now blooming and lots of flowers even on the native berry trees. I have a Pembina plum that is literally loaded in blooms. Going to a greenhouse this morning to pick up a good pollinator for this plum as I never seem to get very much fruit from it. Have a sandcherry tree close to it which is supposed to be good but I don't think it is enough. Will get another plum and see what happens.
Enjoy your day everyone.
Joy
Growing our own veggies and fruit helps to keep the grocery bills down.
How is the fire situation where you are?
M in Oz0 -
dlfk202000 wrote: »Regarding white shoes (from a while back) or white clothing in general ... mostly a nope from me.
Regarding food prices ... groceries got up around $300/week for us. After a few weeks of that, I started ordering less and got it down to about $225/week.
M in Oz
wow- I can't imagine spending that much on food a week. I seriously dont' think we spend $300 a month on food for us. We shop around at the local Asian and Mexican markets and the sales at Safeway and the rest is from Grocery Outlet. We used to go to another grocery store ever couple weeks to check out their sales but trying to use up what is in the freezer first so haven't done a lot of shopping the past month, just for fresh stuff.
I did a casserole with some of the left over shrimp from taco night(Shrimp was $2.99 lb for two pound bags and got the limit of 4-we love shrimp-so versatile), added a container of ricotta that I got for 2/$1 and froze, seasoned with parm, garlic, lemon pepper. Layered a little canned Alfredo sauce ($1), some cooked shell pasta (.25), the shrimp/ricotta, another layer of pasta, topped with the rest of the sauce and a little mozzerella I got at food program the last time I helped. It is the vegan kind but the guys couldn't tell. I would have used lasagna noodles but didn't have any and had extra packs of pasta shells. Other times I have had the large shell noodles or manicotti noodles and stuffed them with it.
Enough food for 4 along with a salad $1.50
So about $4 for dinner for the four of us.
Groceries are expensive here!
We have 2 main grocery store companies (similar to Safeway) and a collection of more "boutique", I suppose, smaller, more expensive grocery stores like the Asian markets, the fresh fruit and vegetables places etc.
M in Oz1 -
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I’ve had a headache for the past couple of days. I have plans to go to an eye doctor in the near future & I’m not sure of the cause of the headaches—headache or glasses or some mystery.
Katla3 -
Barbara the sand cherry I have is a purple leaf sand cherry and is said to be ornamental. The birds love the berries and I planted it mainly to be a cross pollinator for my plum. It’s about 15 years old now and doesn’t bloom as much so I think it is coming to the end of it’s lifespan.
Bought a Toka plum tree today and pleased with it. It’s a 5 year old tree and full of blossoms and leaves. DH helped me plant it beside my Pembina and it looks so good. It’s over 6 feet tall and the cost was $85.00 which I thought was quite reasonable. The fruit tree farm we went to had so many different fruit trees. Think I might get an apricot next year and maybe another pear tree. We bought the pear trees over 20 years ago. At that time they did not have many varieties to choose from for our area. The pears we have always fruit and they are beautiful when in bloom. Unfortunately the pears are not tasty at all and end up being something for the wildlife to enjoy.
While I was waiting at the cashier when purchasing my plum, I heard some squawking behind me and turned around….it was a rather large parrot in a big cage. The cashier said his name was Basil and he was waiting to be put outside for the first time of the season. The bird and I had a nice conversation. I asked him how he was and he replied “I’m fine, how are you”. So cute! Kept the conversation going for a bit with him saying basically the same thing. Quite entertaining. I can see why kids enjoy going there. I told him to watch out for a cat I saw prowling outside. He told me to have a nice day.
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Groceries prices are ridiculous here too which I'm sure is the same all over. Have to travel for about an hour to get to No Frills which we tend to shop at more often. Will also go to Edmonton Costco about every 3 to 4 months to stock up.
Got my garden totally in. I think this is the earliest I have ever planted. Now hoping for rain. Had planted my tomato plants in the garden shortly after I got back from Ireland and they seem to be thriving. It got down to plus 4 last night so hoping they are still o.k. Weather is all over the place from +30 to +4. Not sure what to expect this summer. I noticed that all the fruit trees are now blooming and lots of flowers even on the native berry trees. I have a Pembina plum that is literally loaded in blooms. Going to a greenhouse this morning to pick up a good pollinator for this plum as I never seem to get very much fruit from it. Have a sandcherry tree close to it which is supposed to be good but I don't think it is enough. Will get another plum and see what happens.
Enjoy your day everyone.
Joy
Growing our own veggies and fruit helps to keep the grocery bills down.
How is the fire situation where you are?
M in Oz
Fires are quite far from us…..I would say about an hour and half drive. We are getting the effects of heavy smoke the last few days but I think pretty much all of the province is under a smoke haze. Hopefully we will get some rain next week.
Growing my own veggies certainly does help with cost of groceries. I’m still using peas from my freezer along with green beans. Also I grew onions last year that I am still using. Finally figured out last year how to dry them really well before storing them in a box in the basement. Had 3 nice size boxes and working on the last box now. They are just starting to grow a bit now so I think they will last until my new ones are ready.
Last year I pulled up all my onions on a sunny day early fall. Left them to cure a bit in the sun then laid them all out in our barn. They stayed there for about a month. Each week I would go through them, moving them around a bit and eventually taking the top part off. They ended up looking exactly like the onions in bags at the grocery store….nice and dry.
Joy
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Lanette-We used to give our spent beer grains to neighbors to feed their chickens. They said it saved a bit on food costs that way and we'd toss the grains anyway. Might be worth a check in your area to see if there are any homebrewers you can trade grains for a few eggs once in a while once they are laying. We'd get half dozen every 3rd or 4th time, which we loved.
Prom-For us it was for juniors and seniors. Juniors plan and decorate for the seniors. Both grades can go with dates. So, you can go if you're younger or older, but need to be the "date" of a junior or senior. I went both years, but hated having to ask someone. I didn't have a boyfriend my junior year, so that was torture for me. I probably would have preferred to not go, but my mother had none of that. LOL.
Debbie-Our Grocery Outlet is equally as expensive as the big name stores (Vons/Ralphs, etc.). I make my shopping list and compare when I'm shopping so I can see if I'm wasting time going to several markets. The least expensive store here that I've found and is reasonable for me to get to is a local Mexican market. They don't have everything I need (mostly specialty items), but they have the basics for a lot less.
Woke up with a migraine. Took some ibuprofen and it went away for a bit, but it has just made its way back. So, will retreat to the sofa.
Tina in CA
Each Grocery Outlet is independently owned so the items and prices may/usually do vary.
We have two in our town and two in the next town plus others not far away. We always hit one in what ever town we happen to be in(we know where they all are- two in Napa, including the one my son works at, two in Vallejo, two in Concord, one in Fairfield and one in Vacaville.
You never know what you will find.
Our Mexican grocery store here is Cardenas. It is big and has some great prices on fresh fruit, veggies and some meat.
For Asian, we have Island Pacific and Seafood City. We are getting a smaller version of Ranch 99 soon.
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Good evening ladies!
Today I ate 1273 calories which is a little high again. I was hungry for a snack this evening so I had an extra yogurt. Not a bad choice.
I did twenty minutes on the bike and then the dumbbells. Yay! So I made a deficit of 316. Yay!
A pretty good day overall. I'm especially proud that I can do a few lunges now. I always had trouble with those.
Weigh-in is tomorrow and I will be lucky to break even after eating so much for Mother's Day. We shall see.
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Hi Gals,
Well, an update on my situation with my mom. As I have said she has gotten stronger and better, but not ready to be on her own. She is still on her walker and is in transition to a cane, but it is VERY slow.
It is very hard to carry much with a walker and she refuses any and everything that could be of assistance. A tray for the walker? No. A house cleaner? No. Store bought frozen food/microwave dinners? No. Grab bars and railings? No.
I’m frustrated and my counselor says I am close to a breaking point… I was talking it over with a friend who for years was a day care provider (and therefore a mandatory reporter). She asked if Mom went to her home would/could she have in home PT like she has at my home? I said probably – if they would transfer it. My friend said if the PT went in her home they would probably be very concerned with no grab bars/railing and if my brother when off screaming and yelling the PT is a mandatory reporter of abuse. It was like turning a light on. I talked it over with my counselor – what was I missing? Called the PT company provider and in about 15 minutes everything was in place, I called my nephew (brothers’ son) and he and his girlfriend can take Mom to her home on Friday May 26th. I will have had her here for 10 weeks and 4 days.
I have been stressed and tired, and learned a ton about myself, about my family, my friends, and most of all have a huge respect for care givers everywhere – but especially each of you who do it for grandchildren, for DS (spouses), for children, for siblings and even those who do it and don’t realize it, I am thinking of Pip helping Kirby, of Heather watching out for Johnnys stressors, Allie with Homer and other older friends - I really hope each of you see yourself in this list - As I see each of us in some way care giving for others.
I am in count down mode.
Smiles,
Kim in N. California
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Heather - you live such a full life.
I wear white a lot in the summer. It’s one of my favourites.
I have been picking up what we want for supper on the way home. I found we were wasting way too much food. It would go bad before we ate it. This has really cut down on our costs. I mostly do a “big” shop for milk, cream, snacks. I pick up different fruits throughout the week but only a couple at a time.
Terri - It must feel great that you can drive without pain again. You live a full life as well.
Carla - I hope you feel better soon. Sometimes sick days are what we need.
Debbie - when I lived in NB I did a lot of my grocery shopping in Maine because it was so much less expensive. The prices you mention haven’t been seen here since my Mother was buying groceries. You’re lucky to find a can of Alfredo sauce here for less than 3.00.
Joy - Where is that greenhouse my granddaughter would enjoy it.
Kim - I am so pleased to hear that you have a date for your mom to leave.
What a huge relief that will be.
I went to the ceramic shop to help the owner this afternoon, I am making some labels for her and helping her organize the shop a bit.
I then came home had supper and went back for class.
I just did touch ups tonight. I hope to be done next week.
Tracey in Edmonton7 -
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I was cleaning with bleach today so I wore White all day 😄 When we opened up our camper today we noticed that the refrigerator had been shut by accident over the winter. Grosssss! It took a couple of hours and a lot of bleach but I killed all of the mold 😱
💕Mary from Minnesota/Arizona7 -
Last Thursday zoo pics💖😁
Today Athena and I made biscuits for dinner, to go with sausage gravy, eggs, and bacon.💖
Rebecca
Last night with son, daughter in law, and Athena💖
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Well here it is 2:30 a.m . And woke up in pain and had to take tylenol ..cant wait to see the dr.
Kim- Bless you,thank goodness there is light at the end of the tunnel.my poir FIL was living with his son and DIL and I turned them into the state because of the way they were treating him..that got things moving.. they never knew who did that.
I also contacted Connecticut community care for the elderly and they were a Godsend.
Tom knows I went above and beyond for his family.
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19. Reflect on what makes you feel valued and purposeful. Fire district appreciation, will miss that.. Joe choosing to be thoughtful and positive. Pooches’ greetings.
Skunk in the sandbox? Wow Miss Kell!
Debbie conVERYgratulations. That is impressive steps progress.
Kim my heart goes out to you. ((hugs))
Too sleepy for more. Love you all.05/18: Move: 2 sets PT w/x&a, dogs to powerline, Jeopardy walking. steps:8102Later, lighter, lovelies!
Fuel: plants running count for week so far: 7+9+8+6 apple, basil, beets, cabbage, coconut, cranberries, cucumber, garbanzo beans, maple syrup, oat bran, onion soup, peanuts, pecans, pepperoncini, peppers sweet-orange/red/yellow, pomegranate juice, potatoes-steak fries/chips, radishes, raisins, romaine, scallions, snap peas, snow peas, soy breakfast patty, tangerines, tea, walnuts, wheat-biscotti/bun/ramen/sourdough/cookies/rigatoni. CI=1654! CO=941 ;}
Live: Joe, readings, BP, fern whacking. Wt:134.3
Barbara, the Southern Oregon Coastie AHMOD
2023: Be of good cheer. May: Move more, fuel better, live NOW.
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Hi everyone.. Kate from the uk7
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dlfk202000 wrote: »Regarding white shoes (from a while back) or white clothing in general ... mostly a nope from me.
Regarding food prices ... groceries got up around $300/week for us. After a few weeks of that, I started ordering less and got it down to about $225/week.
M in Oz
wow- I can't imagine spending that much on food a week. I seriously dont' think we spend $300 a month on food for us. We shop around at the local Asian and Mexican markets and the sales at Safeway and the rest is from Grocery Outlet. We used to go to another grocery store ever couple weeks to check out their sales but trying to use up what is in the freezer first so haven't done a lot of shopping the past month, just for fresh stuff.
I did a casserole with some of the left over shrimp from taco night(Shrimp was $2.99 lb for two pound bags and got the limit of 4-we love shrimp-so versatile), added a container of ricotta that I got for 2/$1 and froze, seasoned with parm, garlic, lemon pepper. Layered a little canned Alfredo sauce ($1), some cooked shell pasta (.25), the shrimp/ricotta, another layer of pasta, topped with the rest of the sauce and a little mozzerella I got at food program the last time I helped. It is the vegan kind but the guys couldn't tell. I would have used lasagna noodles but didn't have any and had extra packs of pasta shells. Other times I have had the large shell noodles or manicotti noodles and stuffed them with it.
Enough food for 4 along with a salad $1.50
So about $4 for dinner for the four of us.
Prawns!
Expensive (and yucky )
I think $18/kg is $8.2/lb
$22/kg is $10/lb
If I can't order groceries online or walk to a shop, I won't get the groceries. I don't have the time to search several sites online for good deals or travel from store to store looking for something.
Also, remember ... I live on an island. Things are expensive here everywhere because of shipping.
Machka in Oz5 -
Barbara the sand cherry I have is a purple leaf sand cherry and is said to be ornamental. The birds love the berries and I planted it mainly to be a cross pollinator for my plum. It’s about 15 years old now and doesn’t bloom as much so I think it is coming to the end of it’s lifespan.
Bought a Toka plum tree today and pleased with it. It’s a 5 year old tree and full of blossoms and leaves. DH helped me plant it beside my Pembina and it looks so good. It’s over 6 feet tall and the cost was $85.00 which I thought was quite reasonable. The fruit tree farm we went to had so many different fruit trees. Think I might get an apricot next year and maybe another pear tree. We bought the pear trees over 20 years ago. At that time they did not have many varieties to choose from for our area. The pears we have always fruit and they are beautiful when in bloom. Unfortunately the pears are not tasty at all and end up being something for the wildlife to enjoy.
While I was waiting at the cashier when purchasing my plum, I heard some squawking behind me and turned around….it was a rather large parrot in a big cage. The cashier said his name was Basil and he was waiting to be put outside for the first time of the season. The bird and I had a nice conversation. I asked him how he was and he replied “I’m fine, how are you”. So cute! Kept the conversation going for a bit with him saying basically the same thing. Quite entertaining. I can see why kids enjoy going there. I told him to watch out for a cat I saw prowling outside. He told me to have a nice day.
Joy
We've got ...
- one lemon, which has produced tiny green lemons so far. It's possible we might have a crop come spring, if they make it through the winter.
- 2 apple trees. Last year they produced great apples, but not so much this year.
- 2 pear trees, one of which produced mini pears. This was its first year of producing (2nd summer) and the other one is in its first summer, so next year we might some pears.
- one cherry tree which just came through its first summer, so it only produced a few half-hearted cherries.
- a whole bunch of raspberry bushes, which my husband has arranged along wires so we can get at them all now. They should finally produce something next year.
- a whole bunch of strawberries which are still producing even though winter is only 12 days away.
I love having fruit right there in the yard.
M in Oz7 -
About white ...
What reminded me of it was that this week I saw a woman walk past wearing pure white pants and a tan jacket. She looked good - wore it well. It was the first time I had seen someone wearing white pants in a long time. And, unlike some I've seen in the past, she didn't appear to be wearing dark underwear or underwear with bright red hearts.
But what I was really impressed about was that she was walking along confidently and that there didn't appear to be a stain or smudge or indication that she had spilled coffee or makeup on those pristine white pants!! I didn't look very closely, of course, but if I had been wearing white pants, it would have been easy to tell that white and I definitely don't get along.
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