We trashed the sodas, chips, cookies
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Seriously? "Detox", "cleanse", a round-about reference to clean eating, food deprivation, and food "addiction" all in one post? This is like a winning card for MFP Troll BINGO.
I agree and I love your ticker! I
Gibbs! 0 -
is this even a serious thread?0
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Seriously? "Detox", "cleanse", a round-about reference to clean eating, food deprivation, and food "addiction" all in one post? This is like a winning card for MFP Troll BINGO.
You'd think, but I still need "We're all different and yet here for the same reasons!" For my bingo. Bad card luck is bad.0 -
Seriously? "Detox", "cleanse", a round-about reference to clean eating, food deprivation, and food "addiction" all in one post? This is like a winning card for MFP Troll BINGO.
I agree and I love your ticker! I Gibbs!
Thank you! NCIS is my new obsession. I always seem to get into things late in the game.
And wow, congrats on your weight loss! That's amazing!0 -
Seriously? "Detox", "cleanse", a round-about reference to clean eating, food deprivation, and food "addiction" all in one post? This is like a winning card for MFP Troll BINGO.
You'd think, but I still need "We're all different and yet here for the same reasons!" For my bingo. Bad card luck is bad.
We're only 5 pages in. There's time yet!
Whoops. Make that 6 pages.0 -
is this even a serious thread?
I vote no...0 -
Donating that junk to a food shelf is like allowing someone to use food stamps to buy junk to eat. Shame on all of you who think it is okay to shove junk food on to those who can't afford (or want to) eat healthy...I hope you are also the same ones who so gallantly donate $$$ for their medical bills.
Good luck OP and friend....
Have you ever reached a point in your life where your options were to go without feeding yourself and your child or eating canned, packaged, processed foods from a food pantry? It's obviously better to let someone go hungry than to donate chips, cookies, frozen dinners, etc. Besides, eventually if they don't eat long enough they'll just die and nobody will have to worry about food stamps or paying their medical bills.
When you can't afford to feed yourself or your family you will take what you can get until you can do it yourself.0 -
The next time someone chooses to "trash" food, please put appropriate postage and an address label on the box. There's a poor corgi in college who could use it *gives puppy dog eyes*0
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Ah, the "clean food" honeymoon begins. Let's see how the first year of "clean food" marriage goes.
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OP completely disgusts me. Throwing away food is reprehensible when there are people everywhere who are hungry.0
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My lifestyle consists of 80 percent healthy and 20 treats.
As long as it is something you are ok with for life. That is all that matters.
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ermagersh... Way to slam someone trying to do right by him. Yikes! Where's the love and support yo? I don't keep any of that stuff in my house on a regular basis. Why? Because I will eat it all in one sitting. If I am out and it is in front of me during the day, it's no big deal and I can take it or leave it for the most part. In my house? I tend to eat when I get bored and will go for aaaaanything in the house. So I don't keep it. If I want some ice cream, I get a pint just for me. When it's gone it's gone. Is this deprivation? Nope. I keep ingredients to make cookies and such in the house but no cookies. If I want cookies I have to make them. I have to want them enough to put in the effort, plus then they are a lot healthier. I have been doing it this way for 2.5 years and am quite happy with it, and feel quite content and fulfilled in the eating department. We all do things the way it works best for us. Also, "trashing" doesn't necessarily have to be literal. I tell people I "trashed" all our stuff way back when. But what I really did was box it up and send it off to greener pastures. Done and done. Couldn't be happier
To the OP, congrats and good luck! I hope it helps you in meeting your goals 0 -
ermagersh... Way to slam someone trying to do right by him. Yikes! Where's the love and support yo? I don't keep any of that stuff in my house on a regular basis. Why? Because I will eat it all in one sitting. If I am out and it is in front of me during the day, it's no big deal and I can take it or leave it for the most part. In my house? I tend to eat when I get bored and will go for aaaaanything in the house. So I don't keep it. If I want some ice cream, I get a pint just for me. When it's gone it's gone. Is this deprivation? Nope. I keep ingredients to make cookies and such in the house but no cookies. If I want cookies I have to make them. I have to want them enough to put in the effort, plus then they are a lot healthier. I have been doing it this way for 2.5 years and am quite happy with it, and feel quite content and fulfilled in the eating department. We all do things the way it works best for us. Also, "trashing" doesn't necessarily have to be literal. I tell people I "trashed" all our stuff way back when. But what I really did was box it up and send it off to greener pastures. Done and done. Couldn't be happier
To the OP, congrats and good luck! I hope it helps you in meeting your goals
The OP literally trashed the food. I guess you missed the part about pouring 48 cans of soda down the drain and throwing as a perfectly good food, the OP's words, not mine. And then said they didn't donate because the food is trash and, apparently, donating it would be contrary to their new lifestyle.
Oh and 'Motivation and Support' is a few forums down. I don't know of a love section.0 -
*goes and digs around in the OP's trash*... What?? It's still closed... it's still good!!
Adjacent to refuse, *is* refuse.
(Am I the only one who quotes Seinfeld more than I probably should?)0 -
I don't think the OP is going into deprivation mode, they have hired a nutritionist to do their meals , so common sense applies they will be eating a far healthier diet. Filling up on real good food that keeps them full.
My best guess is they made a correlation between eating junk food and the cravings that get set off within an hour or so after eating it. That is what leads to weight gain. It can be addictive, the need to eat junk which set off the craving then the need to eat more junk.
They appear to be doing better physically and emotionally by taking out of their diet the junk food , the sugar and caffeine and are smart enough not to leave it in the house. Out of sight out of mind.
They are getting positive feedback from their doctor , trainer and nutritionist for taking this step and validation that their old food choices were unhealthy.
Throwing out the old and what is not good in their life appears to be symbolic.
They obviously see a down side to those foods and don't want to inflict them on someone else. Hence what someone else considers to be perfectly good food which in this case has been clearly stated as diet sodas, chips, and cookies , the OP sees them as junk , a possible source of misery and better off in the trash. can ,
I wish them the best and say go for it. If they find more junk food in their home then they should just flush it down the toilet.
LOL The comment the OP made of dumping 48 cans of soda down the sink , it was cleaning his sink pipes
as good as draino ... I just laughed , it was so funny.0 -
I did miss that! Mental reprogramming technique perhaps? Don't know. I'd have given it away but I am of the "to each their own" camp. If people want to burn wads of their own cash, live in a teepee in the middle of nowhere or attempt to subsist entirely from the energy of the sun that's their prerogative. It may not be the noble thing to do but it was their food that they purchased with their money and they can do what they want with it. If someone wins the lottery and decides to cash it all in and torch it when they could have donated, or spend it all on ridiculous useless crap would you lambast them for it? If they instead decided to totally binge on it over the weekend to get rid of it instead would that be equally as wasteful and disgusting? Some would think so. It's not like they went into a food pantry and stole all the stuff they deemed junky and tossed it out.0
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I did miss that! Mental reprogramming technique perhaps? Don't know. I'd have given it away but I am of the "to each their own" camp. If people want to burn wads of their own cash, live in a teepee in the middle of nowhere or attempt to subsist entirely from the energy of the sun that's their prerogative. It may not be the noble thing to do but it was their food that they purchased with their money and they can do what they want with it. If someone wins the lottery and decides to cash it all in and torch it when they could have donated, or spend it all on ridiculous useless crap would you lambast them for it? If they instead decided to totally binge on it over the weekend to get of it instead would that be equally as wasteful disgusting? Some would think so. It's not like they went into a food pantry and stole all the stuff they deemed junky and tossed it out.
Yes I would lambasted them.
No it wouldn't be wasteful; how could consuming the food be wasteful? That's fairly contrary to the idea of waste.
The OP can eat what they want and throw out all the food they want, and I can think it's pointless and wasteful all I want.0 -
The catch-phrases dropped into his/her posts make me think OP has been brainwashed by the diet industry. Junk food junkies? Manipulated chemicals?
OP, if you're going to spend the money, you'd be better to go to a dietitian than a nutritionist. At least the dietitian has qualifications, I get the impression that the nutritionist has used scaremongering tactics. Hence the shamefully wasteful 'trashing' of all that food.
** I am NOT one of those 'eat all the poptarts ever' people. Poptarts are gross. And I do think what you eat makes as much of a difference as how much you eat. But this is not a reasonable or healthy way of going about making a change.0 -
I didn't have an issue with OP not donating until OP said it was a deliberate choice not to donate. (Obviously the opened foods can't be donated.) I still think OP's heart was in the right place but misguided him/her.
There are medical bills for people who are starving. There are court costs for people who resort to stealing to feed their families. There are medical bills for people who have to resort to food that is already opened and thrown away and get food poisoning.
Again, one or two people's worth of junk food (sorry food shaming) isn't going to skyrocket these medical bills. And I'm happy to have my tax $ go to people who can't afford their own food, much less medical care, since you asked.0 -
Giving anything up is deprivation. I've introduced thousands of ingredients to my rotation of foods. I've never eliminated one. Well, the ones I don't like. But I've never "given something up," just to replace it with something "healthier" as that's a false concept. Health is a matter of total diet, not any individual food. Ice cream and poptarts fit just as well into a healthy diet as carrots and apples do. Soda can fit into a healthy diet just as easily as water.So you basically turned it into a house of deprivation. I will think of you as I enjoy my Ben & Jerry's tonight.
No, giving up various foods is not deprivation.. its called making a choice to eat more nutritious food. Its all attitude.. if a person wants to feel deprived they will think that way.
I dont eat that and i do not feel deprived. I feel liberated from food that was not as good for me as other choices. I have a budget of nutrients to eat, and I shall eat the best food possible for the calories and nutrients allotted for me.
QFT!!!! :drinker:
I have never thought of this lifestyle as deprivation. For every food I gave up, I introduced two other better ones in their place.
Not wanting to eat a food isn't deprivation or failure. Not eating a food because "I can't, I'm trying to lose weight and get healthy," is deprivation and leads to failure.
I respectfully disagree with you. it is better for your body to replace a food that is "junk" to something that has vitamins, minerals and less calories. (i.e. Ice cream cake vs spinach). No, ice cream and poptarts are not for everyone - a plate of poptarts and ice cream is not better for your body than a plate of spinach, salad and fresh peach. No, soda cannot fit into a healthy diet IF that person deems water or fruit juice is better for their body than soda.
You may be able to work those treats in to your diet, but if someone has 1600 calories a day, then they need to budget those calories to get the best bang for the buck.. a person "could" eat a plate of Popeyes Chicken dinner, but then they would be using up too many precioius calories and not enough nutrients to make it worth it.
Someone who is jump starting their weight loss plan who chooses to go cold turkey is doing the right thing for them. sometimes we need to liberate ourselves from what that stuff does to our cravings for them. of course a person needs to find a way to diet to make it a lifestyle for the rest of their life - this is what prevents deprivation. maybe they can work it back in later. but i do not discourage going cold turkey.. its like boot camp before you go into the army.0 -
The last time I cut junk food cold turkey my cravings didn't go away they only got worse. Now I eat what I want and still lose weight.
You and literally millions of others. That's why I hate seeing people start down this path.
I dont know the biology or physiology behind this, however, cold turkey is a method that can work for some.
the fact that it didn't work could be a lot of things - could be you still let food control you and you have demonstrated how powerful that is. that you tried going cold turkey and you still craved it. Why? I dont know because I dont know you personally and what you ate instead, or if you didn't give it enough time, or maybe you started like what a lot of people do that say "diets dont work" and you started to indulge in those things that you craved. yes I know, sometimes I do miss a few faves, but if I choose to eat them, i will get sick from the extra fat im not used to eating) and i will slow down my weight loss path. so because it did not work for you, and the pain of not eating your fave food was worse than the reward you could have gotten by NOT eating that, which is why my motto is "Thin tastes better". Which is why some people need to put a huge distance between themselves and food that calls out to your cravings.
later on, a person may have made peace with that food and can again, try it when the cravings monster has been put to death. Till then, it is not deprivation, it is a choice to be liberated from food that enslaves us.
And i dont mean its ok to be anorexic, or get into some weird food obsession, but to make peace with food so that it is just that - nutrition for the body - not meant to be a reward, lover, soother of stress, etc.0 -
Like many others here, I disagree with the "deprivation will make your head explode" posters. Diabetics give up sugar. People with celiac disease give up wheat and other gluten containing foods. People with heart disease cut way back on fat intake, It's all done to improve their health, and doesn't result in insane binging down the road because they can't keep it up. Your taste buds change, and that stuff stops tasting good. People may indulge a little bit now and then, but their diets are mostly clean of these foods.
I'm not sure why any of us have to be so defensive about our food choices.
It seems especially odd to me at this time of year when tomatoes, corn, sweet potatoes, peaches, and all kinds of other beautiful produce is available in the markets. Who wants to edge this stuff out to accomodate other calorie dense, non-nourishing foods?
Caveat: I'm not a clean eater. I have an on and off potato chip habit, along with an on and off diet coke habit. But I think it's important to not kid ourselves that this stuff isn't going to hurt us down the road.0 -
So you basically turned it into a house of deprivation. I will think of you as I enjoy my Ben & Jerry's tonight.
No, giving up various foods is not deprivation.. its called making a choice to eat more nutritious food. Its all attitude.. if a person wants to feel deprived they will think that way.
I dont eat that and i do not feel deprived. I feel liberated from food that was not as good for me as other choices. I have a budget of nutrients to eat, and I shall eat the best food possible for the calories and nutrients allotted for me.
I think you're just upset that I am able to say "I'm having 1 serving of ice cream tonight", and I can actually do that. I've quoted your posts in the past and will say it again, you do deprive yourself. Just like the other day where you were preaching about pizza. You think the people who fit ice cream and pop tarts and what not just eat that stuff all day long? Come on now. Also remember, my caloric and macro needs are much different than yours as we live 2 totally different lifestyles.
No will power = throwing cookies in the trash so they don't pig out on them. I have kinds of different ice cream in the freezer, 4 kinds of pop tarts and 4 different kids cereals in the kitchen. I don't sit there and binge on it because I know there's always tomorrow or next week.
No, sorry Im not upset because you ate ice cream and I didn't. However, I did have ice cream which is a fave that i choose sometimes like when I was on vacation.. I got something that i really wanted and made room for it in my MFP calories. If I want something so bad, I make room for it, but in the first month or two i did not have ice cream,, it would have made me crave more than i could comfortably fit.
What about pizza you say I was preaching about? I dont remember. I might sound preachy to you, but I try to word myself as being helpful.
You feel I am depriving myself. Well in a way I am, but I choose to say I lay it aside, out of choice, not deprivation,, totally different mindset. You and me do have different macros. You may be able to eat 500 calories more a day than me, because you are different, maybe you exercise more and can have an extra 500 calories a day. But you also deprive YOURself. You deprive yourself of watching tv when you are out exercising.. you deprive yourself when you dont eat more than your MFP macros. You deprive yourself of getting drunk when you choose not to drink alcohol, you deprive yourself of 6 women to have sex with when you want to stay true to your wife. But you do these things because the other options are BETTER.
so , yes i have come to peace about some foods, but i find a way to work them in, i still havn't had pizza in 2 months, and sometimes i get a taste for it, but it wouild make me go over my limited budgeted calories MFP gives me. But if i really wnated it, it would go for it, and then balance it out the rest of the next few days.
In the meantime I have lost almost 40 pounds in 3 months by what you call deprivation.. Seems to be working for me. If its not i will tweak it. but for now, i choose not to eat pizza, ice cream and tacos on a regular basis.0 -
...Junk food junkees need to purge....
Well *some* may, but obviously not all 'junk food junkees need to purge'. I mean you have plenty right here in this thread who say they have not gone to that extreme and still they are losing pounds and feeling good.
Congrats on you and your buddy's success!0 -
Exactly!So you basically turned it into a house of deprivation. I will think of you as I enjoy my Ben & Jerry's tonight.
No, giving up various foods is not deprivation.. its called making a choice to eat more nutritious food. Its all attitude.. if a person wants to feel deprived they will think that way.
I dont eat that and i do not feel deprived. I feel liberated from food that was not as good for me as other choices. I have a budget of nutrients to eat, and I shall eat the best food possible for the calories and nutrients allotted for me.
QFT!!!! :drinker:
I have never thought of this lifestyle as deprivation. For every food I gave up, I introduced two other better ones in their place.
I am not "deprived". I eat what I WANT. What I want has changed.
The replies to this thread are surreal.
You want the pop tarts, eat them.
You can't live without them, don't.
Don't assume everyone is like you.
No kidding! I'm really shocked at some of these replies.
And the reason why so many people are obese and even morbidly obese, is because they dont restrict anything ,, they eat whatever the eff they want, and they get fat. even we who are on a diet are finding some challenges because we dont eat whatever we want, we eat with some control. it is challenging in some ways to go the extra effort to make healthy food, it would be way easier to go down to the corner and get Taco Bell. But thats what got us fat in the first place. If everyone could just eat whatever they want, there would be no fat people,, Obviously we need to control what we eat. And allow food in our stomach that is good for us, that is for nutrition and no other reason like using food for emotional reasons.
Please, to all of you who say you cant live without your daily ice cream treat (or whatver food it is) please, that only shows that you are a slave to that food, the fact that you "cant'" live without it. yes you could if you wanted to. I do not say demonize food, yet dont angelicize food either (get it? demon vs angel?)
You CAN also live without pizza, Popeyes chicken, beer, poptarts and cookies and cake, and gobs of butter on your food, and yes you can work those in IF you want to,, but you could live perfectly well on just vegetable and fruit and grains because then you get vitamins from that at least.
Just treat food as food, not as anything else. Fuel for the body. Dont fuel your hunger and cravings with more food that will fuel weight gain (if your trying to lose weight i mean).0 -
Like many others here, I disagree with the "deprivation will make your head explode" posters. Diabetics give up sugar. People with celiac disease give up wheat and other gluten containing foods. People with heart disease cut way back on fat intake, It's all done to improve their health, and doesn't result in insane binging down the road because they can't keep it up. Your taste buds change, and that stuff stops tasting good. People may indulge a little bit now and then, but their diets are mostly clean of these foods.
I'm not sure why any of us have to be so defensive about our food choices.
It seems especially odd to me at this time of year when tomatoes, corn, sweet potatoes, peaches, and all kinds of other beautiful produce is available in the markets. Who wants to edge this stuff out to accomodate other calorie dense, non-nourishing foods?
Caveat: I'm not a clean eater. I have an on and off potato chip habit, along with an on and off diet coke habit. But I think it's important to not kid ourselves that this stuff isn't going to hurt us down the road.
600 calories of Pop Tarts and ice cream is way yummier, and easier to eat, than 600 calories of peaches and tomatoes.0 -
Like many others here, I disagree with the "deprivation will make your head explode" posters. Diabetics give up sugar. People with celiac disease give up wheat and other gluten containing foods. People with heart disease cut way back on fat intake, It's all done to improve their health, and doesn't result in insane binging down the road because they can't keep it up. Your taste buds change, and that stuff stops tasting good. People may indulge a little bit now and then, but their diets are mostly clean of these foods.
I'm not sure why any of us have to be so defensive about our food choices.
It seems especially odd to me at this time of year when tomatoes, corn, sweet potatoes, peaches, and all kinds of other beautiful produce is available in the markets. Who wants to edge this stuff out to accomodate other calorie dense, non-nourishing foods?
Caveat: I'm not a clean eater. I have an on and off potato chip habit, along with an on and off diet coke habit. But I think it's important to not kid ourselves that this stuff isn't going to hurt us down the road.
600 calories of Pop Tarts and ice cream is way yummier, and easier to eat, than 600 calories of peaches and tomatoes.
To you, maybe, but not to me. Never been a fan of pop tarts although I am partial to ice cream. and 600 calories of peaches and tomatoes will keep me full for longer AND nourish my body. THAT makes me feel good.0 -
The shear inability of people to listen to others with more experience and education never fails to amaze me. You all keep keeping on with your keeping on (as I believe it is phrased), but don't be surprised when people shake their heads. Logic be damned. Experience be damned. Success be damned.
The Greeks discovered moderation in their philosophy, but sitting here, thousands of years later, the majority are still baffled by the concept. In one camp, the Stoics, and in the other camp, the Epicureans or the Hedonists. We really haven't advanced.0 -
Like many others here, I disagree with the "deprivation will make your head explode" posters. Diabetics give up sugar. People with celiac disease give up wheat and other gluten containing foods. People with heart disease cut way back on fat intake, It's all done to improve their health, and doesn't result in insane binging down the road because they can't keep it up. Your taste buds change, and that stuff stops tasting good. People may indulge a little bit now and then, but their diets are mostly clean of these foods.
I'm not sure why any of us have to be so defensive about our food choices.
It seems especially odd to me at this time of year when tomatoes, corn, sweet potatoes, peaches, and all kinds of other beautiful produce is available in the markets. Who wants to edge this stuff out to accomodate other calorie dense, non-nourishing foods?
Caveat: I'm not a clean eater. I have an on and off potato chip habit, along with an on and off diet coke habit. But I think it's important to not kid ourselves that this stuff isn't going to hurt us down the road.
600 calories of Pop Tarts and ice cream is way yummier, and easier to eat, than 600 calories of peaches and tomatoes.
Oh yeah?I I challenge you to put your poptart against my fresh juicy Michigan Peaches from the farmers market anytime! and dont diss the tomatos, until you've had a farmer's market delicious red juicy tomato that was so sweet and juicy and has a taste like nothing else! You will lose 0 -
Like many others here, I disagree with the "deprivation will make your head explode" posters. Diabetics give up sugar. People with celiac disease give up wheat and other gluten containing foods. People with heart disease cut way back on fat intake, It's all done to improve their health, and doesn't result in insane binging down the road because they can't keep it up. Your taste buds change, and that stuff stops tasting good. People may indulge a little bit now and then, but their diets are mostly clean of these foods.
I'm not sure why any of us have to be so defensive about our food choices.
It seems especially odd to me at this time of year when tomatoes, corn, sweet potatoes, peaches, and all kinds of other beautiful produce is available in the markets. Who wants to edge this stuff out to accomodate other calorie dense, non-nourishing foods?
Caveat: I'm not a clean eater. I have an on and off potato chip habit, along with an on and off diet coke habit. But I think it's important to not kid ourselves that this stuff isn't going to hurt us down the road.
600 calories of Pop Tarts and ice cream is way yummier, and easier to eat, than 600 calories of peaches and tomatoes.
To you, maybe, but not to me. Never been a fan of pop tarts although I am partial to ice cream. and 600 calories of peaches and tomatoes will keep me full for longer AND nourish my body. THAT makes me feel good.
At the end of my night, after hitting my macros and micros, I often find I have 400-600 calories left over. If I tried to fill that with fruit I'd vomit. Not to mention once my nutritional needs are met I don't get bonus nutrition for eating more veggies, so why would I not enjoy a calorie dense dessert?0
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