The Skinny on Obesity (or: "Calories are not created equal")
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The American Journal of Nutrition appears to disagree with you.
Study: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/5/899S.full
Actually, this study doesn't appear to refute anything stated explicitly in the video. We're not just talking about thermogenesis, but a bunch of OTHER biological processes in the body as well. Please note, excerpted from the abstract of the study you linked,
"Further research on differences in the composition of weight loss and on the influence of satiety on compliance with energy-restricted diets is needed to explain the observed increase in weight loss with diets high in protein and/or low in carbohydrate."
And I don't recall the narrators ever saying once that sugar is inherently evil in all its forms.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sKxfImHkFI
Documentary mini-series on the dangers of sugar, the Industrial Age diet and how it impacts y/our struggle with weight.
NOTE: While a calorie may be a calorie in terms of energy burn, there are a LOT of other variables like how they burn and their impact on the rest of the body (and its systems) that make some calories a much better choice than others. For those who wonder, here's why.
Posting any information in the general forums, that even remotely suggests that the quality of food we ingest affects our body/health, is futile. Because huge percentage of the people here (at least the ones that bother commenting) can't follow the logic that the human body is a complex system and that WHAT we eat does affect how our body operates. The answer to anything and everything is merely the simplistic "calories in/calories out" and those of us that report health improvements by changing WHAT we eat are completely ridiculed, even though there are so many of us reporting the same experience that many doctors can no longer ignore it. I suspect that it's because most of the "calories in/calories out/eat anything/avoid fat crowd are so malnourished that their brains are just no longer functioning optimally. I just can't follow the "logic" that what we eat does NOT affect health. Besides that my own real life experience blows that theory to shreds; as well as the multi-generational experiences of the many aboriginal groups that I have lived amongst.
Everything you post here is completely contrary to fact.
NO ONE says that calories are all that matter. NO ONE.
A ton of people here say that NUTRIENTS matter. It's not whether something is "refined" or "clean" or "dirty" or "processed" or "natural." What matters is the nutrients you provide your body.
You know the drill...those who believe that CICO is the principal/primary driver in weight gain/loss automatically believe that the nutrient quality of the food is irrelevant. Don't bother correcting that...because everyone *knows* it to be true...
...because strawmen are easier (and more fun) to tear down.
Edit: because homonym abuse must stop.
here, I found this for you:
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people didnt get diabetic from eating berries and apples
It take 8 feet of sugar cane, imagine chewing on that , to get the equivalent amt. of sugar of one can of soda
ahhh yes the "fruit sugar is good " argument but "soda sugar" is bad argument...tried and tested as absolute garbage...
I don't think it's that some sugar is "good" while others are "bad". I think it's more of it's a lot harder to eat too much sugar from fruit than it is to eat too much sugar from oreos & snickers bars. Also, it IS a little frustrating that sugar is added to so many foods unnecessarily. For example, look at spaghetti sauces next time you're in the grocery store. You'll have a hard time finding one without sugar added. If you make your own without sugar in it, or find a jar that doesn't have sugar added, you'll find that it tastes just fine without the sugar added. So... WHY do so many food producers add it? Tomatoes have enough sugar in them to make the sauce sweet, it's totally unnecessary. Again, I didn't watch the video (although I've seen parts of it in the past), I'm sure it takes the whole sugar thing to the extreme, but that doesn't discount the fact that sugar consumption is a bit out of control these days and it won't hurt the majority of people to make an effort to cut back on their sugar consumption.
I'm not sure it's the responsibility of food manufacturers to not add sugar to stuff. That's like saying it's the grocery store's fault for putting the candy bars right next to the cash registers.
I didn't question who's responsibility it is, I asked WHY do they put it in there in the first place? I, personally don't find it any tastier with or without it. I do think it makes it more difficult for those who limit their sugar intake (because of health issues or whatever reason) to do so. I'd much rather have a piece of chocolate than have extra sugar in my spaghetti sauce. I'd really rather have a spoonful of honey
Besides all the other answers above, my main point was that even if the taste is the same with or without sugar, food manufacturers aren't going to have some grand enlightenment and decide to not add sugar because it would be better for their customers' health. If people want to monitor sugar or not have added sugar, they can make their own foods and avoid the candy aisle. That doesn't make sugar a demon.0 -
sugar sells. I cant' believe how many of my friends didn't like my spaghetti sauce. and then when I added some sugar to it and served them the same sauce they loved it. Sad really. We have to mask the taste of our foods. And that did start with the large companies trying to sell more. Give them sugar and they are hooked. Not this person, but lots of people. Hence why headaches occur when you stop consuming added sugars. Thankfully they only last a few days before your body adjusts.I'm not sure it's the responsibility of food manufacturers to not add sugar to stuff.
Many people don't like the acidity of cooked tomatoes. It actually is as simple as flavor for many people, so sauting sweet onions before adding the tomatoes may help. With canned goods i can't imagine the flavor would be the same so they add sugar. Would you keep making things that don't sell?_
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I saute the peppers, garlic, onions and mushrooms. I add more garlic too. I also use fresh herbs and a little more water then most recipes call for. I don't taste the acidity and my family love the recipe. I know real Italian chefs add a pinch of sugar to their sauces to cut the acidity out but I had to add a tablespoon or two before they liked it. That's what sad. No sauce should need that much sugar. My mother did sell this sauce for awhile and it sold well. I use her exact recipe.
You can caramelize the onions too.. but the same as adding sugar to them.
I know a few chefs who put sugar on their dishes at restaurants so patrons will like the food and come back. Even dishes described as healthy, low cal, good for diabetics, weight watcher friendly, etc.... That's why i always overestimate when I go out to eat. You never know what little tricks they employ to create repeat customers.0 -
What I find most amusing about the the sugar threads and the sugar thread addicts is looking at people's diaries. With the exception of the chick who eats candy for breakfast, the vast majority of the people who refute sugar is a problem, aren't actually eating it. Oh, I know there is the occasional small piece of candy, the quarter cup of ice cream, small portion of rice pudding, but on balance, they eat good food. Balanced diets without a lot of junk - even 1200 calorie diets! Now, before I get blasted, I have a life (at least I try). I could only look at so many diaries and a couple days each. Props to the guy who was in for a bowl of ice cream. He actually ate a bowl of ice cream.
If you feel you are the exception to the above generalization - I am sure you are and preemptively believe you.
Aren't actually eating it, or are eating it in moderation?
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What I find most amusing about the the sugar threads and the sugar thread addicts is looking at people's diaries. With the exception of the chick who eats candy for breakfast, the vast majority of the people who refute sugar is a problem, aren't actually eating it. Oh, I know there is the occasional small piece of candy, the quarter cup of ice cream, small portion of rice pudding, but on balance, they eat good food. Balanced diets without a lot of junk - even 1200 calorie diets! Now, before I get blasted, I have a life (at least I try). I could only look at so many diaries and a couple days each. Props to the guy who was in for a bowl of ice cream. He actually ate a bowl of ice cream.
If you feel you are the exception to the above generalization - I am sure you are and preemptively believe you.
Aren't actually eating it, or are eating it in moderation?
Exactly!
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What I find most amusing about the the sugar threads and the sugar thread addicts is looking at people's diaries. With the exception of the chick who eats candy for breakfast, the vast majority of the people who refute sugar is a problem, aren't actually eating it. Oh, I know there is the occasional small piece of candy, the quarter cup of ice cream, small portion of rice pudding, but on balance, they eat good food. Balanced diets without a lot of junk - even 1200 calorie diets! Now, before I get blasted, I have a life (at least I try). I could only look at so many diaries and a couple days each. Props to the guy who was in for a bowl of ice cream. He actually ate a bowl of ice cream.
If you feel you are the exception to the above generalization - I am sure you are and preemptively believe you.
Aren't actually eating it, or are eating it in moderation?
What kind of lunatic wants a moderate amount of ice cream? Great, 200 calories of ice cream. A whole 1/4 of a pint. That really hit the spot. Yawn.0 -
sugar sells. I cant' believe how many of my friends didn't like my spaghetti sauce. and then when I added some sugar to it and served them the same sauce they loved it. Sad really. We have to mask the taste of our foods. And that did start with the large companies trying to sell more. Give them sugar and they are hooked. Not this person, but lots of people. Hence why headaches occur when you stop consuming added sugars. Thankfully they only last a few days before your body adjusts.
Sugar is a flavor enhancer, just like salt is. Not a 'masker'. People get used to less flavorful food, true. But just because some aren't used to the same food you are, doesn't mean that sugar or salt have some woowoo powers to draw people to them. They just make stuff more savory.0 -
What I find most amusing about the the sugar threads and the sugar thread addicts is looking at people's diaries. With the exception of the chick who eats candy for breakfast, the vast majority of the people who refute sugar is a problem, aren't actually eating it. Oh, I know there is the occasional small piece of candy, the quarter cup of ice cream, small portion of rice pudding, but on balance, they eat good food. Balanced diets without a lot of junk - even 1200 calorie diets! Now, before I get blasted, I have a life (at least I try). I could only look at so many diaries and a couple days each. Props to the guy who was in for a bowl of ice cream. He actually ate a bowl of ice cream.
If you feel you are the exception to the above generalization - I am sure you are and preemptively believe you.
Aren't actually eating it, or are eating it in moderation?
What kind of lunatic wants a moderate amount of ice cream? Great, 200 calories of ice cream. A whole 1/4 of a pint. That really hit the spot. Yawn.
Yep, pretty much what I didn't say.....but good one.0 -
lol... I completely agree about the ice cream, SkinnyFatAlbe! That is why I skip the ice cream completely & make a gourmet, very thick protein shake that actually satisfies me instead of just having a couple bites.0
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lol... I completely agree about the ice cream, SkinnyFatAlbe! That is why I skip the ice cream completely & make a gourmet, very thick protein shake that actually satisfies me instead of just having a couple bites.
Or, you could save some of your sugar allowance for the ice cream....
There's no chance I eat under 400 calories of ice cream at a time if I choose ice cream as the treat for the time....IIFYM.
If you find me a protein shake anywhere close to as satisfying to me as ice cream, you have found the first one.0 -
In for making a tedious comment about something sugary that I am eating or plan to eat, because I'm a rebel, a contrarian, and I like to rage against machines!0
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There better be the Jennifer Lawrence gif in here
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lol... I completely agree about the ice cream, SkinnyFatAlbe! That is why I skip the ice cream completely & make a gourmet, very thick protein shake that actually satisfies me instead of just having a couple bites.
Jennifer Lawrence is upset at this.0 -
sugar sells. I cant' believe how many of my friends didn't like my spaghetti sauce. and then when I added some sugar to it and served them the same sauce they loved it. Sad really. We have to mask the taste of our foods. And that did start with the large companies trying to sell more. Give them sugar and they are hooked. Not this person, but lots of people. Hence why headaches occur when you stop consuming added sugars. Thankfully they only last a few days before your body adjusts.
maybe your spagetti sauce just didnt taste good...
I don't add sugar to mine and my family/friends love love love it...mind you there are lots of veggies in it like AMG sweet peppers, and carrots...0 -
If someone takes my sugar away, there will be a revolution!!! JS :bigsmile:0
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sugar sells. I cant' believe how many of my friends didn't like my spaghetti sauce. and then when I added some sugar to it and served them the same sauce they loved it. Sad really. We have to mask the taste of our foods. And that did start with the large companies trying to sell more. Give them sugar and they are hooked. Not this person, but lots of people. Hence why headaches occur when you stop consuming added sugars. Thankfully they only last a few days before your body adjusts.
maybe your spagetti sauce just didnt taste good...
I don't add sugar to mine and my family/friends love love love it...mind you there are lots of veggies in it like AMG sweet peppers, and carrots...
I make mine with garlic, onion, olive oil, and fresh basil....0 -
lol... I completely agree about the ice cream, SkinnyFatAlbe! That is why I skip the ice cream completely & make a gourmet, very thick protein shake that actually satisfies me instead of just having a couple bites.
Jennifer Lawrence is upset at this.
JLaw
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lol... I completely agree about the ice cream, SkinnyFatAlbe! That is why I skip the ice cream completely & make a gourmet, very thick protein shake that actually satisfies me instead of just having a couple bites.
Jennifer Lawrence is upset at this.
Trust me; that is only because she has not tasted my protein shakes.0 -
lol... I completely agree about the ice cream, SkinnyFatAlbe! That is why I skip the ice cream completely & make a gourmet, very thick protein shake that actually satisfies me instead of just having a couple bites.
Jennifer Lawrence is upset at this.
Two good ones! This was the first one that sprang to my mind.
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Sugar is not evil...doesn't matter where you get it from...and I am one of those people who does eat sugar...chocolate bars, candy, ice cream, fudge sticks, drumsticks, pie, cookies, donuts etc...and lose weight, I am healthy, I do not have diabetes, blood work is all good, exercise and I am not young...
And for all the white knights coming in call people mean or rude or whatever...why because there are those of us who disagree..and even poke fun of this stuff...ever wonder why???? Think about it...look at the tickers and time here and then decide who actually knows the scoop and who doesn't.
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Sugar is not evil...doesn't matter where you get it from...and I am one of those people who does eat sugar...chocolate bars, candy, ice cream, fudge sticks, drumsticks, pie, cookies, donuts etc...and lose weight, I am healthy, I do not have diabetes, blood work is all good, exercise and I am not young...
And for all the white knights coming in call people mean or rude or whatever...why because there are those of us who disagree..and even poke fun of this stuff...ever wonder why???? Think about it...look at the tickers and time here and then decide who actually knows the scoop and who doesn't.
Yay. I say added sugar is evil and I've got the ticker to prove it works, so I must know the scoop too (even though i have the opposite opinion of many of you). LOL and i do eat the occasional chocolate or pastry. Oh and I am also healthy, with a clean bill of health and no diabetes. :flowerforyou:
and yea.. maybe they just didn't' like my sauce.. maybe they've never had real homemade sauce before. (which is exactly it)0 -
Sugar is not evil...doesn't matter where you get it from...and I am one of those people who does eat sugar...chocolate bars, candy, ice cream, fudge sticks, drumsticks, pie, cookies, donuts etc...and lose weight, I am healthy, I do not have diabetes, blood work is all good, exercise and I am not young...
And for all the white knights coming in call people mean or rude or whatever...why because there are those of us who disagree..and even poke fun of this stuff...ever wonder why???? Think about it...look at the tickers and time here and then decide who actually knows the scoop and who doesn't.
Yay. I say added sugar is evil and I've got the ticker to prove it works, so I must know the scoop too (even though i have the opposite opinion of many of you). LOL and i do eat the occasional chocolate or pastry. Oh and I am also healthy, with a clean bill of health and no diabetes. :flowerforyou:
and yea.. maybe they just didn't' like my sauce.. maybe they've never had real homemade sauce before. (which is exactly it)
NO what you have is proof that a calorie deficet works regardless of how you got it....some folks eliminate alcohol...that works too doesn't make beer the devil.
ETA: best stop with the prepackaged chocolate chip cookies and chocolate protien bars where "sugar" and "corn Syrup" are listed on the lable.
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Sugar is not evil...doesn't matter where you get it from...and I am one of those people who does eat sugar...chocolate bars, candy, ice cream, fudge sticks, drumsticks, pie, cookies, donuts etc...and lose weight, I am healthy, I do not have diabetes, blood work is all good, exercise and I am not young...
And for all the white knights coming in call people mean or rude or whatever...why because there are those of us who disagree..and even poke fun of this stuff...ever wonder why???? Think about it...look at the tickers and time here and then decide who actually knows the scoop and who doesn't.
Yay. I say added sugar is evil and I've got the ticker to prove it works, so I must know the scoop too (even though i have the opposite opinion of many of you). LOL and i do eat the occasional chocolate or pastry. Oh and I am also healthy, with a clean bill of health and no diabetes. :flowerforyou:
and yea.. maybe they just didn't' like my sauce.. maybe they've never had real homemade sauce before. (which is exactly it)
So you eat the occasional chocolate or pastry even though you think added sugar is evil? Any compromise with evil is still evil, isn't it? Anyway, I would argue that your ticker is substantial proof that ... you've had a calorie deficit for some time. That's great! Just because you've lost weight by cutting out sugar (that is, the extra calories from sugar), doesn't make sugar the devil.
Also, just to weigh in on this, I don't put any sugar in my homemade spaghetti sauce, either; not only have I never had any complaints... I routinely receive compliments.0 -
Yay. I say added sugar is evil
The reason this is dumb is that it means eating things with added sugar is automatically bad.
This attitude makes people feel like they've failed if they eat something they really love but has added sugar.
People can only deny themselves something they love for so long before they have some - and feel like a failure.
When people feel like they've failed, they quit.
In other words, it's this attitude that leads directly to failure for many dieters.0 -
People act like sucrose is pure evil, and fructose is the healthiest thing in the world. Sugar from fruit, and "added sugar" has the same effect on your body. Sucrose(added sugar) is a disaccharide consisting of a glucose chain and a fructose chain. Most fruit contains both fructose and glucose. If you don't have a medical reason to avoid sugar like diabetes or PCOS, then sugar is perfectly fine for you, as long as you're eating enough protein, fat, fiber, and vitamins and minerals. This can all be accomplished, and sugar can be enjoyed. Free your minds people0
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