Santa!?!?! I hate the lie!

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  • parys1
    parys1 Posts: 2,072 Member
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    This thread is killing my Christmas Spirit, so I need to stop reading now.

    Santa is a much-beloved tradition in this Christian (Catholic, even) household.:flowerforyou:
  • msf74
    msf74 Posts: 3,498 Member
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    Try telling NORAD that Santa doesn't exist. They are tracking him by GPS!!!

    http://www.noradsanta.org/

    It's a conspiracy I tell you!

    With U.S.Military escorts :noway:
    Another waste of tax payer money :angry:

    Yeah, but can you see the types of neighbourhoods he has to deliver to though?

    He can't go in there without a bulletproof vest at least!
  • FindingMyPerfection
    FindingMyPerfection Posts: 702 Member
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    SOOOO... should we start burning all fiction and stop seeing fictional movies and put these kids to work? darn that sponge bob!!!! :devil:
    I have no problem with indulging in fantasy what I have a problem with is telling a story as if it was fact and not the fiction it is ment to be.
  • 40andFindingFitness
    40andFindingFitness Posts: 497 Member
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    I can't imaine he'll turn up to take interviews.
    13. it does not deprive them of anything by not telling them a LIE. it teaches them gratitude for the hard work you put into giving them gifts, - It really is all about you taking the props isn't it?

    Makes you wonder.
  • waltcote
    waltcote Posts: 372 Member
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    Now you'll be telling me that Obama really doesn't care and he didn't actually pardon the turkey and he cooked him!!! :brokenheart:
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
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    I think a lot of people here are giving this issue way more importance than it deserves. Seriously, people think that telling your kids about Santa is going to mess them up? Putting it in the same category as lying to a child about a parent's death?? FFS. Even if a child's disappointed to find out that Santa's not real, it's not going to mess them up for life. It might help them learn to deal with disappointment. Also, growing up without Santa isn't going to screw your kids up either. I live in a Muslim country and know lots of kids who were raised as Muslims, i.e. *without Santa or Christmas at all* and guess what, they're happy, healthy and have imaginations just like any other kids. Ditto every other non-Christian religion.

    So really, just do whatever you think's best for your kids. IMO if you're raising a kid without letting them join in *any* kind of cultural festivities, then the child is missing out (though probably nothing they won't be able to catch up with when they get old enough to make their own decisions) but if it's just a question as to whether you tell your kids the presents came from mum or dad, or whether they came from a magic guy who flew on a sled with reindeer and came down the chimney.... really it's a non-issue!! I can't believe this thread has gone on for so many pages.....
  • emirror
    emirror Posts: 842 Member
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    We're atheist, so we don't teach our kids that any gods are real.

    Because, you know, Santa fits the definition of a god. As does the easter bunny, and tooth fairy.

    We don't do any of the lies, not Santa, easter bunny, various religions, none of it.

    I've told her the tooth fairy isn't real, either. I still leave money for her under her pillow, and she knows I am the one who does it, but we like to pretend that I am the tooth fairy.
  • jkowula
    jkowula Posts: 447
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    1. So it's okay to teach your child it's okay lie? - It in no way taught tme that lying was OK. When I found out about Santa, it was really jus like a game had ended. Oh well, a new one starts.
    2. You expect your child to trust you? - Irrelevant, unless you accept the idea that children will resent the " lie " you tld them about Santa and perceive it as such.
    3. Why not just teach them the truth, It;s about GOD - Unless you're an Atheist / Buddhist / Humanist etc who just enjoys the season, sense of family and togetherness, without recourse to making it a religious festival.
    4. A creepy fat guy watching us all year long, then coming down our chimney eating our food and leaving. CREEPY! (and what if you don't have a chimney) - How but a big beard in the sky who watches us all the way through our lives and then decides when we die if we get to live in a nice house in the clouds or in a lake of fire?
    5. It's bribery, if you were are a good parent you wouldn't need to use gifts as a way to get your child to behave all year long. - Not toomany parents peddle the Santa's watching thing in Jan / Feb / March etc.. But " God's wacing you…."
    6. I work to give my child those girts, why let some imaginary guy get the credit for my hard work and time. - Surely Pride is one of the 7 Deadly Sins? Lighten up, Christmas isn't about you is it?
    7. it's NOT the reason for the season. - No, we've established that the Winter Solstice celebration predates Santa ( and Christianity ) by thousands of years.
    8. It's makes it all about getting gifts, instead of giving them. - You were us moaning that you didn't want someone else taking the credit. Varying levels of selfishness?
    9. How do you explain to your kid that Santa was in that store, but somehow is in the very next you also? - Magic, or maybe you could cal it a "Miracle". Personally, I was told that there were loads of Santas all working for the Big Santa and who all wanted to be THE Santa one day.
    10. If your feeling bad about it it, maybe that's continence trying to tell you something. - I don't know what this means.
    11. my lil girl doesn't believe in it and she have never gotten picked on , i have a feeling thats YOUR OWN fear, projecting into your child's life, bc just maybe they don't just "go with the flow". - I'm glad you litle girl has never been picked on. Sincerely.
    12. I would hate to be you on judgment day, trying to explain why you gave some made up guy the glory in time the was dedicated to God. - Thankfully, that's not a problem you'l have to face, so you needn't be concerned. But wy would we have to explain anyway? God is Omniscient, he knows why we do the things we do, I can't imaine he'll turn up to take interviews.
    13. it does not deprive them of anything by not telling them a LIE. it teaches them gratitude for the hard work you put into giving them gifts, - It really is all about you taking the props isn't it?
    14. how old is that guy anyway?!?!?!? - Hundreds of years old, hard to believe isn't it. Not like that eminently acceptable vigin birth, immaculate conception and resurrection stuff!
    15. you dont t3ell your child that the Disney characters are real, why would you tell them santa is real?
    i know i came off harsh, but it was all said in love. - We don't rally go out of our way to tel kids they'e ot either do we? I know you love The Little Mermaid, but you know what Sweetie DISNEY IS LYING TO YOU. HE HATES YOU AND THINkS YOU'RE GULLIBLE.
    Please don't take this badly, it comes from a place of love.

    Brilliant! Simply Brilliant!
  • em435
    em435 Posts: 210 Member
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    Say what you like to your child but please don't deprive them of fond memories this time of the year.

    My parents hated all things make-believe as they deemed them dishonest and unrealistic hence no toys, no games in the house and definitely no Santa.
    It's no fun being that person who doesn't understand what there is to look forward to at Christmas besides forced family gatherings.
  • BigDougie1211
    BigDougie1211 Posts: 3,530 Member
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    I think a lot of people here are giving this issue way more importance than it deserves. Seriously, people think that telling your kids about Santa is going to mess them up? Putting it in the same category as lying to a child about a parent's death?? FFS. Even if a child's disappointed to find out that Santa's not real, it's not going to mess them up for life. It might help them learn to deal with disappointment. Also, growing up without Santa isn't going to screw your kids up either. I live in a Muslim country and know lots of kids who were raised as Muslims, i.e. *without Santa or Christmas at all* and guess what, they're happy, healthy and have imaginations just like any other kids. Ditto every other non-Christian religion.

    So really, just do whatever you think's best for your kids. IMO if you're raising a kid without letting them join in *any* kind of cultural festivities, then the child is missing out (though probably nothing they won't be able to catch up with when they get old enough to make their own decisions) but if it's just a question as to whether you tell your kids the presents came from mum or dad, or whether they came from a magic guy who flew on a sled with reindeer and came down the chimney.... really it's a non-issue!! I can't believe this thread has gone on for so many pages.....

    But it's awesome
  • homerjspartan
    homerjspartan Posts: 1,893 Member
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    This thread is killing my Christmas Spirit, so I need to stop reading now.

    Santa is a much-beloved tradition in this Christian (Catholic, even) household.:flowerforyou:

    I'm coming with you. Hey do you have any PS4 up there in Canada? I can't find one down here.....
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
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    1. So it's okay to teach your child it's okay lie? - It in no way taught tme that lying was OK. When I found out about Santa, it was really jus like a game had ended. Oh well, a new one starts.
    2. You expect your child to trust you? - Irrelevant, unless you accept the idea that children will resent the " lie " you tld them about Santa and perceive it as such.
    3. Why not just teach them the truth, It;s about GOD - Unless you're an Atheist / Buddhist / Humanist etc who just enjoys the season, sense of family and togetherness, without recourse to making it a religious festival.
    4. A creepy fat guy watching us all year long, then coming down our chimney eating our food and leaving. CREEPY! (and what if you don't have a chimney) - How but a big beard in the sky who watches us all the way through our lives and then decides when we die if we get to live in a nice house in the clouds or in a lake of fire?
    5. It's bribery, if you were are a good parent you wouldn't need to use gifts as a way to get your child to behave all year long. - Not toomany parents peddle the Santa's watching thing in Jan / Feb / March etc.. But " God's wacing you…."
    6. I work to give my child those girts, why let some imaginary guy get the credit for my hard work and time. - Surely Pride is one of the 7 Deadly Sins? Lighten up, Christmas isn't about you is it?
    7. it's NOT the reason for the season. - No, we've established that the Winter Solstice celebration predates Santa ( and Christianity ) by thousands of years.
    8. It's makes it all about getting gifts, instead of giving them. - You were us moaning that you didn't want someone else taking the credit. Varying levels of selfishness?
    9. How do you explain to your kid that Santa was in that store, but somehow is in the very next you also? - Magic, or maybe you could cal it a "Miracle". Personally, I was told that there were loads of Santas all working for the Big Santa and who all wanted to be THE Santa one day.
    10. If your feeling bad about it it, maybe that's continence trying to tell you something. - I don't know what this means.
    11. my lil girl doesn't believe in it and she have never gotten picked on , i have a feeling thats YOUR OWN fear, projecting into your child's life, bc just maybe they don't just "go with the flow". - I'm glad you litle girl has never been picked on. Sincerely.
    12. I would hate to be you on judgment day, trying to explain why you gave some made up guy the glory in time the was dedicated to God. - Thankfully, that's not a problem you'l have to face, so you needn't be concerned. But wy would we have to explain anyway? God is Omniscient, he knows why we do the things we do, I can't imaine he'll turn up to take interviews.
    13. it does not deprive them of anything by not telling them a LIE. it teaches them gratitude for the hard work you put into giving them gifts, - It really is all about you taking the props isn't it?
    14. how old is that guy anyway?!?!?!? - Hundreds of years old, hard to believe isn't it. Not like that eminently acceptable vigin birth, immaculate conception and resurrection stuff!
    15. you dont t3ell your child that the Disney characters are real, why would you tell them santa is real?
    i know i came off harsh, but it was all said in love. - We don't rally go out of our way to tel kids they'e ot either do we? I know you love The Little Mermaid, but you know what Sweetie DISNEY IS LYING TO YOU. HE HATES YOU AND THINkS YOU'RE GULLIBLE.
    Please don't take this badly, it comes from a place of love.

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  • kgreenRDLDN
    kgreenRDLDN Posts: 248 Member
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    WHAT!! Santa isn't real!! I don't believe it. I know he is real, and he has flying reindeer. Its nice to have something magical to believe in sometimes. I was never crushed about Santa, but at the same time I still believe...so take it as you will.
  • Cranquistador
    Cranquistador Posts: 39,744 Member
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    We all know that the NFL is the only reality....that's why they make millions for playing a game! :sad:
    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
  • FindingMyPerfection
    FindingMyPerfection Posts: 702 Member
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    I can't believe this thread has gone on for so many pages.....

    I thought it would go to 2 max!
  • msf74
    msf74 Posts: 3,498 Member
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    The soaring rates of childhood obesity is down to Santa.

    Clearly they associate strong positive feelings with a fat bloke to eats all the mince pies and it largely sedentary as he gets his elves and reindeers to do all the work. That can't be good.

    Think about it!
  • wheird
    wheird Posts: 7,963 Member
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    What is this, www.newmoms.com?

    Raise your kids however you want, they are still going to end up in the fast food business.
    Chit chat section if you don't like it get out. Shrug*

    Didn't realize that justifies asinine topics. Proceed.

    Really? Do you want to start the conversation about what topics are allowed in the chit chat forum?

    The CGs already do that. Feel free to read them.
  • kellenas
    kellenas Posts: 154
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    1. So it's okay to teach your child it's okay lie? - It in no way taught tme that lying was OK. When I found out about Santa, it was really jus like a game had ended. Oh well, a new one starts.
    2. You expect your child to trust you? - Irrelevant, unless you accept the idea that children will resent the " lie " you tld them about Santa and perceive it as such.
    3. Why not just teach them the truth, It;s about GOD - Unless you're an Atheist / Buddhist / Humanist etc who just enjoys the season, sense of family and togetherness, without recourse to making it a religious festival.
    4. A creepy fat guy watching us all year long, then coming down our chimney eating our food and leaving. CREEPY! (and what if you don't have a chimney) - How but a big beard in the sky who watches us all the way through our lives and then decides when we die if we get to live in a nice house in the clouds or in a lake of fire?
    5. It's bribery, if you were are a good parent you wouldn't need to use gifts as a way to get your child to behave all year long. - Not toomany parents peddle the Santa's watching thing in Jan / Feb / March etc.. But " God's wacing you…."
    6. I work to give my child those girts, why let some imaginary guy get the credit for my hard work and time. - Surely Pride is one of the 7 Deadly Sins? Lighten up, Christmas isn't about you is it?
    7. it's NOT the reason for the season. - No, we've established that the Winter Solstice celebration predates Santa ( and Christianity ) by thousands of years.
    8. It's makes it all about getting gifts, instead of giving them. - You were us moaning that you didn't want someone else taking the credit. Varying levels of selfishness?
    9. How do you explain to your kid that Santa was in that store, but somehow is in the very next you also? - Magic, or maybe you could cal it a "Miracle". Personally, I was told that there were loads of Santas all working for the Big Santa and who all wanted to be THE Santa one day.
    10. If your feeling bad about it it, maybe that's continence trying to tell you something. - I don't know what this means.
    11. my lil girl doesn't believe in it and she have never gotten picked on , i have a feeling thats YOUR OWN fear, projecting into your child's life, bc just maybe they don't just "go with the flow". - I'm glad you litle girl has never been picked on. Sincerely.
    12. I would hate to be you on judgment day, trying to explain why you gave some made up guy the glory in time the was dedicated to God. - Thankfully, that's not a problem you'l have to face, so you needn't be concerned. But wy would we have to explain anyway? God is Omniscient, he knows why we do the things we do, I can't imaine he'll turn up to take interviews.
    13. it does not deprive them of anything by not telling them a LIE. it teaches them gratitude for the hard work you put into giving them gifts, - It really is all about you taking the props isn't it?
    14. how old is that guy anyway?!?!?!? - Hundreds of years old, hard to believe isn't it. Not like that eminently acceptable vigin birth, immaculate conception and resurrection stuff!
    15. you dont t3ell your child that the Disney characters are real, why would you tell them santa is real?
    i know i came off harsh, but it was all said in love. - We don't rally go out of our way to tel kids they'e ot either do we? I know you love The Little Mermaid, but you know what Sweetie DISNEY IS LYING TO YOU. HE HATES YOU AND THINkS YOU'RE GULLIBLE.
    Please don't take this badly, it comes from a place of love.

    I'm Christian and these are very valid arguments :drinker:

    ETA: We do the Santa Claus thing and teach about the birth of Christ.
  • CountryDevil
    CountryDevil Posts: 819 Member
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    What this really boils down to is how you teach your children about life. Is it ok to lie to anyone, no, absolutely not. But lets face it, we all do it to some degree every day. If you say you don't, then that is a lie in itself.

    This "Reason for the Season" Is suppose to be about the celebration of the birth of Christ. The presents are a representation of the gifts that were given by the three wisemen and other visitors that came to witness the birth.

    It was not until the Pagan holiday came about and was introduced that "Santa" came into the picture and that is when things got out of control.

    You obviously have the right to teach you child/children what you want based on what you believe. But I know a lot of dedicated Christian families that celebrate Christmas both ways (including mine) and when their kids got older they and found out that Santa did not exist they were not devastated or disappointed. They came out just fine and understood that Santa was just for fun.

    Just don't give into that whole "Elf on s Shelf" thing. That is creepy and stupid.
  • k8blujay2
    k8blujay2 Posts: 4,941 Member
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    So my oldest is 3 and asked me about Santa and Christmas. I told him the basic crap that everyone spews and I hate myself for it! Wh does he need to believe in Santa just to have it crushed later in life? Why set them up for disappointment later in life. Am I a bad mom because I don't want to perpetuate this myth?

    Thoughts please.

    Why? Santa Claus is loosely based on Saint Nicholas that actually existed. I don't do the whole "naughty and nice" thing... But some of my favorite memories are of Christmas and "Santa".... Hell, I still believe in "Santa"... maybe not literally but the spirit of his myth anyway.

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