Fast Food Workers Striking?!?!?
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I'm surprised no one has brought up how when people are paid better they tend to work harder and there is low turnover, which cuts down on training costs for businesses. If you pay people minimum wage, they will give you minimum effort.
But then again, I am taking a labor econ course this semester, so, maybe that isn't common knowledge.
We already established Experimental economics was Hokus Pokus, now we are adding Labor Economics. Actually, let' just prevent this issue the rest of the thread. So beside these two, you are not allowed to use Normative economics, positive economics, public economics, or any form of Game Theory in this thread to help prove your point. Only perfect condition supply and demand, the work force is fully informed and is fluid and can move across the country to a new job with no cost , also has zero life issues (medical, kids, disabilities).
Now that we got that figured out, please proceed.
It wasn't established. You said it with nothing to back up your assertion. Then you posted a gif.
If you want to claim that you've proven something, prove it. With more than just gifs.
Oh I forgot, you actually think peer reviewed studies are useless. You just want everyone to believe what you say because you say it.
Garbage.0 -
I gotta love when a person who works a desk job gets all bent out of shape when minimum-wage part-time employees consider a strike.
What incentive would we have to work hard to improve our lives and get better jobs if all we have to do is beg for more money to get it?
My job is more skilled that a fast food job. I worked harder to get it and I work hard to maintain it. In my opinion, I deserve more money compensation than someone who flips burgers.
I don't have anything against anyone in a minimum wage paying job. But those jobs will always exist and someone will always need to do them. In general minimum wage jobs are for younger people as a stepping stone or older people as a supplemental income. I don't consider them a permanent career.
This is more or less the same logic that anti-vaccine people use. It's the very perks and comfort we as workers enjoy today that allow us to dismiss the hard work and tactics that got you those very perks.
No. The perks that we enjoy are because of the hard work it took to get us here. Who would endure the stress and responsibility of an advanced career if they could make the same wage at a fast food restaurant?
You completely missed the point. You worked hard, yes. But there are a lot of people in minimum wage jobs that have worked much harder than you.
The perks you enjoy aren't due just to your hard work. They are in large part due to the hard work of the people that came before you and set up the system in a way beneficial to you and provided you with significant developmental advantages.
I'd like more information on what these advantages are that I supposedly had.
And a fast food worker works harder that I do? How so?
Spend a year as a 10 year old living in a housing project with a nonexistent parent and a 4 year old younger brother. Let me know how hard it was to learn math compared to what you personally experienced.
What makes you ASSUME that you know anything about my life and the things that I have endured and overcome? I'm not about to air my past here in public but if you want to have a pissing contest over who's childhood was rougher feel free to PM me.
And you didn't answer my question. How does a minimum wage worker work harder than I do? They don't. They have less responsibility and are paid accordingly as it should be.
I have to give you a great big "AMEN", Penny!0 -
sure why not...no changes can be made by sitting on your laurels all day if they think it will make some difference then I support it. We seem to be the last country holding onto these archaic ideals.0
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Bring it on!
I will quit my salaried job and go to work for one of the fast food franchises. No more 60+ hours per week for 40 hour pay and lower stress level.
Back in my day, these were jobs were never intended to support a family.
Just wondering, will skilled jobs wages increase to compensate?
Guessing you haven't worked in the food service industry in the last 20 years, unless you are in decent shape it is a lot of physical and emotional stress for what they get paid. Dealing with one boss is a lot nicer than dealing with a couple of 100 ungrateful people. Try smiling or being nice to a food service worker they almost can't handle it at time because it is becoming out of the norm for them.0 -
I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.0
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Bring it on!
I will quit my salaried job and go to work for one of the fast food franchises. No more 60+ hours per week for 40 hour pay and lower stress level.
Back in my day, these were jobs were never intended to support a family.
Just wondering, will skilled jobs wages increase to compensate?
Guessing you haven't worked in the food service industry in the last 20 years, unless you are in decent shape it is a lot of physical and emotional stress for what they get paid. Dealing with one boss is a lot nicer than dealing with a couple of 100 ungrateful people. Try smiling or being nice to a food service worker they almost can't handle it at time because it is becoming out of the norm for them.
It's called customer service. It's not just the fast food industry that has to deal with customer service...0 -
What makes you ASSUME that you know anything about my life and the things that I have endured and overcome? I'm not about to air my past here in public but if you want to have a pissing contest over who's childhood was rougher feel free to PM me.
And you didn't answer my question. How does a minimum wage worker work harder than I do? They don't. They have less responsibility and are paid accordingly as it should be.
If you don't want to talk about it then don't bring it up. I never said anything about you personally.
The entire point, which you seem bent to challenge, is that different people have to put in significantly different levels of effort for the same result. I have no idea where you personally fall on that spectrum. It doesn't matter. But the rich white male has to put in a lot less effort to end up with a $60,000 salary than the dirt-poor black female.0 -
I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.
Yeah, assuming you can get a full time job. Companies want part-time employees because they're expendable and they don't have to give them benefits. And surviving vs. thriving is a very big difference. Would YOU be happy living off of $7.50/hr?0 -
I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.
So which do you propose we do? Outlaw minimum wage jobs for people with families? Or should we force them to divorce and abandon their children?0 -
Here's a bizarre idea coming from a silly girl: reward results, not effort.
*mind blown*
:flowerforyou:
Wait wait wait...that is too simple of a concept. It must be wrong.0 -
I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.
Yeah. Not so much.0 -
Bring it on!
I will quit my salaried job and go to work for one of the fast food franchises. No more 60+ hours per week for 40 hour pay and lower stress level.
Back in my day, these were jobs were never intended to support a family.
Just wondering, will skilled jobs wages increase to compensate?
Guessing you haven't worked in the food service industry in the last 20 years, unless you are in decent shape it is a lot of physical and emotional stress for what they get paid. Dealing with one boss is a lot nicer than dealing with a couple of 100 ungrateful people. Try smiling or being nice to a food service worker they almost can't handle it at time because it is becoming out of the norm for them.
It's called customer service. It's not just the fast food industry that has to deal with customer service...
No but the difference is at a larger office type company, you're dealing with people who are probably a lot nicer than the guy who just got off a 12hr shift and hasn't had his coffee yet and is ready to bite the head off of anyone who comes in his way. Multiply that by a 1000 and you'll start getting really fricking tired of people. I'm guessing you've never worked in retail or the food service industry. I'm guessing you're also one of those people who has a problem with every restaurant you go to.0 -
Not sure where you live but a one bedroom apartment here is anywhere between 1000-1800 dollars a month (admittedly I live in one of those areas with a ridiculously high cost of living). If you're making ~15,000 a year (this if you worked 40 hours every week of the year, which is highly improbable if you work fast food, more likely to get 25-35) you're hardly covering rent alone.I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.0 -
Agree, and I say this about welfare also!Working fast food should be a stepping stone to getting a better job... not a career position. :bigsmile:0 -
are you mentally incapacitated op or just a troll? these people are bettering themselves because if you know anything, you know that fast food workers are grossly underpaid with no benefits and horrifying working conditions.
In a first world country
You keep saying that... you do realize 5 dollars an hour they would live well in a third world country but they don't live there. Standards of living are not established for the whole world just for your country.
That's the first time I've said that...and that is my point, "horrifying" is subjective by country.0 -
Here's a bizarre idea coming from a silly girl: reward results, not effort.
*mind blown*
:flowerforyou:
Wait wait wait...that is too simple of a concept. It must be wrong.
Read my comment above. If you want to pay them based on results McDonalds is going to owe them a HUGE raise.
These employees are the backbone of their operation and the entire reason they function. They are essential. Without them not $1 gets made. Given the choice between losing the CEO of the company and losing the front line workers the board would choose to get rid of the CEO every time.
They're people working hard and asking to be paid a reasonable wage. They aren't looking for a handout. They're trying to get off public assistance. They are your neighbors and they serve you on a regular basis.
Maybe some of you should stop looking down on them as a cheap way of feeling better about yourselves.0 -
I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.
Yeah, assuming you can get a full time job. Companies want part-time employees because they're expendable and they don't have to give them benefits. And surviving vs. thriving is a very big difference. Would YOU be happy living off of $7.50/hr?
I'm not happy living off my pay because I'm surviving, but I do it. I'm not going to go on strike because I'm not happy with it. What did I do? I got a second job to make ends meet. If I'm still that unhappy I can look for another job. I can go to a factory and eventually earn up to $23/hour but I love what I do so I stay.0 -
Amen to yoyr reply. Well said.0
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Time to tick someone off.
Irritates me a little they are striking. Fast food has always been known as a minimum wage job. That is why it use to always be high school students working it when in school. It is not meant to be a career job. All these people complaining about not making enough AT A FAST FOOD place should be happy they even have a job because there are tons of unemployed people who would take their job OR they should try to get a better job and better themselves rather then working a brainless job and going nowhere but complaining.
On the news today i saw a lady who said she needed more money because she was a single mom working at McDonalds. While I respect single parents and their struggles to support their kids. But she needed more money because she was a single mom and pregnant with #2. Seriously if you are already having money problems......USE PROTECTION why be dumb and have a second kid if you are not making ends meet financially. Reminds of the movie Idiocracy.0 -
Bet the person who started the thread would not work that hard for a low wage.0
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Not sure where you live but a one bedroom apartment here is anywhere between 1000-1800 dollars a month (admittedly I live in one of those areas with a ridiculously high cost of living). If you're making ~15,000 a year you're hardly covering rent alone.I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.
I got a very nice apartment for $425/month all utilities but electric and phone were included. My electric bill was never higher than $20/month and my phone was a cell phone for $30/month. It wasn't large by any means but it was me and my son. No cable, no internet.0 -
I'm surprised no one has brought up how when people are paid better they tend to work harder and there is low turnover, which cuts down on training costs for businesses. If you pay people minimum wage, they will give you minimum effort.
But then again, I am taking a labor econ course this semester, so, maybe that isn't common knowledge.
We already established Experimental economics was Hokus Pokus, now we are adding Labor Economics. Actually, let' just prevent this issue the rest of the thread. So beside these two, you are not allowed to use Normative economics, positive economics, public economics, or any form of Game Theory in this thread to help prove your point. Only perfect condition supply and demand, the work force is fully informed and is fluid and can move across the country to a new job with no cost , also has zero life issues (medical, kids, disabilities).
Now that we got that figured out, please proceed.
It wasn't established. You said it with nothing to back up your assertion. Then you posted a gif.
If you want to claim that you've proven something, prove it. With more than just gifs.
Oh I forgot, you actually think peer reviewed studies are useless. You just want everyone to believe what you say because you say it.
Garbage.
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I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.
Yeah, assuming you can get a full time job. Companies want part-time employees because they're expendable and they don't have to give them benefits. And surviving vs. thriving is a very big difference. Would YOU be happy living off of $7.50/hr?
I'm not happy living off my pay because I'm surviving, but I do it. I'm not going to go on strike because I'm not happy with it. What did I do? I got a second job to make ends meet. If I'm still that unhappy I can look for another job. I can go to a factory and eventually earn up to $23/hour but I love what I do so I stay.
I don't know where you live, but in my area, there are no jobs. I looked for 4 months before I found someone actually hiring. Good for you for finding more than one, but for many even one is hard to find.0 -
Time to tick someone off.
Irritates me a little they are striking. Fast food has always been known as a minimum wage job. That is why it use to always be high school students working it when in school. It is not meant to be a career job. All these people complaining about not making enough AT A FAST FOOD place should be happy they even have a job because there are tons of unemployed people who would take their job OR they should try to get a better job and better themselves rather then working a brainless job and going nowhere but complaining.
On the news today i saw a lady who said she needed more money because she was a single mom working at McDonalds. While I respect single parents and their struggles to support their kids. But she needed more money because she was a single mom and pregnant with #2. Seriously if you are already having money problems......USE PROTECTION why be dumb and have a second kid if you are not making ends meet financially. Reminds of the movie Idiocracy.
Oh boy. I love when the "don't have kids if you're poor" argument comes up.0 -
I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.
if you can get 40...lets not forget there is a huge push for PT hours now. I dont know my math says it's pretty tight financially so you make $1200/mos before taxes. Lets say 20% for taxes, SSI, and medicare how does $960 take home sound? I live in rural California and I think you could find a place for about $600-700/month more if you lived in southern probably closer to $800-900. Are we driving to work or taking public transportation? Food $150...that would be terribly slim here because of the area I live a gallon of milk cost $5. Utilities we are all off propane and that is now $4/gal a small place let's assume $100/month to heat. Electricity easily $100. So without a car I'm getting a grand total of $10 left to spend.0 -
Yeah guess we just live in different areas then!
Not sure where you live but a one bedroom apartment here is anywhere between 1000-1800 dollars a month (admittedly I live in one of those areas with a ridiculously high cost of living). If you're making ~15,000 a year you're hardly covering rent alone.I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.
I got a very nice apartment for $425/month all utilities but electric and phone were included. My electric bill was never higher than $20/month and my phone was a cell phone for $30/month. It wasn't large by any means but it was me and my son. No cable, no internet.0 -
The govt should not let them starve, i agree with. The government giving more stupid entiltlements to a greedy (im entitled to this) upcoming, thats were the line should be drawn.So the gov't should just let people starve? No way jose.0 -
I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.
Where is this math? so we can agree with you on it!0 -
Time to tick someone off.
Irritates me a little they are striking. Fast food has always been known as a minimum wage job. That is why it use to always be high school students working it when in school. It is not meant to be a career job. All these people complaining about not making enough AT A FAST FOOD place should be happy they even have a job because there are tons of unemployed people who would take their job OR they should try to get a better job and better themselves rather then working a brainless job and going nowhere but complaining.
On the news today i saw a lady who said she needed more money because she was a single mom working at McDonalds. While I respect single parents and their struggles to support their kids. But she needed more money because she was a single mom and pregnant with #2. Seriously if you are already having money problems......USE PROTECTION why be dumb and have a second kid if you are not making ends meet financially. Reminds of the movie Idiocracy.
Oh boy. I love when the "don't have kids if you're poor" argument comes up.
no its the don't live beyond your own means. If you are struggling to buy clothes for your son and buying clothes for work. Seriously needed to think if adding another kid into that situation is the right thing to do.
I have no problem with the financially strapped having kids as long as they are able to provide a good home for a kid but the fact that you are having problems and complaining about it on national TV using it as the reason to try to get a raise.0 -
Time to tick someone off.
Irritates me a little they are striking. Fast food has always been known as a minimum wage job. That is why it use to always be high school students working it when in school. It is not meant to be a career job. All these people complaining about not making enough AT A FAST FOOD place should be happy they even have a job because there are tons of unemployed people who would take their job OR they should try to get a better job and better themselves rather then working a brainless job and going nowhere but complaining.
On the news today i saw a lady who said she needed more money because she was a single mom working at McDonalds. While I respect single parents and their struggles to support their kids. But she needed more money because she was a single mom and pregnant with #2. Seriously if you are already having money problems......USE PROTECTION why be dumb and have a second kid if you are not making ends meet financially. Reminds of the movie Idiocracy.
Oh boy. I love when the "don't have kids if you're poor" argument comes up.
While you may not like it, it is true. Our welfare problem wouldn't be near as bad if people weren't rewarded for bad behavior. Wht should we, as tax payers, have to support someones poor choices???? They have the choice not to have sex, or at the very least use protection!!0
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