Fast Food Workers Striking?!?!?
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Do I think they deserve that much money? Hell no. Do they deserve more than $7.25 - 7.50? It's hard to support a family on that. Not everyone can find a better job.
I don't even make $15 an hour, and I make plenty to live on. $15 is freaking high. I've worked fast food before (McDonalds), there's nothing you do there that would entitle someone to that much money, even in management.
I also don't feel a union is worth it. We can't even get a union for NURSES started, why would I worry about a high school kid that serves me my burger?0 -
Not sure where you live but a one bedroom apartment here is anywhere between 1000-1800 dollars a month (admittedly I live in one of those areas with a ridiculously high cost of living). If you're making ~15,000 a year you're hardly covering rent alone.I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.
I got a very nice apartment for $425/month all utilities but electric and phone were included. My electric bill was never higher than $20/month and my phone was a cell phone for $30/month. It wasn't large by any means but it was me and my son. No cable, no internet.
I pay $600 for a small one bedroom, no heat or lights in a bad neighbor hood. You've got it made. You have no right to complain about what others are being paid and that they should be able to afford necessities on $7.50/hr.0 -
Time to tick someone off.
Irritates me a little they are striking. Fast food has always been known as a minimum wage job. That is why it use to always be high school students working it when in school. It is not meant to be a career job. All these people complaining about not making enough AT A FAST FOOD place should be happy they even have a job because there are tons of unemployed people who would take their job OR they should try to get a better job and better themselves rather then working a brainless job and going nowhere but complaining.
On the news today i saw a lady who said she needed more money because she was a single mom working at McDonalds. While I respect single parents and their struggles to support their kids. But she needed more money because she was a single mom and pregnant with #2. Seriously if you are already having money problems......USE PROTECTION why be dumb and have a second kid if you are not making ends meet financially. Reminds of the movie Idiocracy.
:flowerforyou: Get out of my head! lol i almost wrote the exact same answer.0 -
No I didn't know you were being sarcastic. Because this is the internet and I can't hear the tone of your voice. Nothing in your post would lead anyone to think you were being sarcastic.
So how about you just admit you have nothing to back up your words and are using the "I was just being sarcastic" cop out to weasel out of the what you've said?
Moving on to the next bad argument...0 -
I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.
if you can get 40...lets not forget there is a huge push for PT hours now. I dont know my math says it's pretty tight financially so you make $1200/mos before taxes. Lets say 20% for taxes, SSI, and medicare how does $960 take home sound? I live in rural California and I think you could find a place for about $600-700/month more if you lived in southern probably closer to $800-900. Are we driving to work or taking public transportation? Food $150...that would be terribly slim here because of the area I live a gallon of milk cost $5. Utilities we are all off propane and that is now $4/gal a small place let's assume $100/month to heat. Electricity easily $100. So without a car I'm getting a grand total of $10 left to spend.
To be acurate, a person making 7.50 hr isnt going to pay taxes. Hell they will probably get back more than they paid in because of the earned income credit.0 -
Here's a bizarre idea coming from a silly girl: reward results, not effort.
*mind blown*
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Wait wait wait...that is too simple of a concept. It must be wrong.
Read my comment above. If you want to pay them based on results McDonalds is going to owe them a HUGE raise.
These employees are the backbone of their operation and the entire reason they function. They are essential. Without them not $1 gets made. Given the choice between losing the CEO of the company and losing the front line workers the board would choose to get rid of the CEO every time.
They're people working hard and asking to be paid a reasonable wage. They aren't looking for a handout. They're trying to get off public assistance. They are your neighbors and they serve you on a regular basis.
Maybe some of you should stop looking down on them as a cheap way of feeling better about yourselves.
woahohohoho
I worked in the service industry in high school. So this isn't an elitist, "us vs them" viewpoint by any means, and it insults my intelligence that you would assume such. Then *poof* I'm a college student. Guess what, that *poof* isn't luck or a handout or me sitting around waiting for someone to give me a bucket o' cash. This is hard work and aspirations.0 -
The govt should not let them starve, i agree with. The government giving more stupid entiltlements to a greedy (im entitled to this) upcoming, thats were the line should be drawn.So the gov't should just let people starve? No way jose.
For the tenth time, they aren't asking the government for anything. They are asking for a wage increase from their private employer, so they can get off government assistance.
Some of you need to stop patting yourselves on the back for how far you've come in life. Simple comprehension seems to be eluding a great many of you.0 -
Everyone has a choice. What makes you an expert on my upcoming and how far I have come in life?
The govt should not let them starve, i agree with. The government giving more stupid entiltlements to a greedy (im entitled to this) upcoming, thats were the line should be drawn.So the gov't should just let people starve? No way jose.
For the tenth time, they aren't asking the government for anything. They are asking for a wage increase from their private employer, so they can get off government assistance.
Some of you need to stop patting yourselves on the back for how far you've come in life. Simple comprehension seems to be eluding a great many of you.0 -
Working fast food should be a stepping stone to getting a better job... not a career position. :bigsmile:
Yeah, because everyone has that choice in life. Not.
Everybody DOES have a choice. If you are working at McDonald's when you are 40, you made that choice. We all have similar opportunities in life. If a person decides to settle on a fast food service job, but can't seem to get ahead financially, should we just give them more without earning it?
I'm personally tired of putting in 50 to 60 hours a week to support my family and then be expected to pay out more for those that refuse to work or do the bare minimum. If you can't afford the latest and greatest gadgets on your current job, move on.
Actually, we don't have similar opportunities. Which is why we have fast food workers and why they are paid so little. Does anyone seriously think that they can just up and quit the job they are working and magically find a better paying one? They aren't trying to afford the latest and greatest gadgets, they are trying to keep a roof over their heads and food in their and their family's bellies. Oh, and maybe some electricity to run the lights and the heat in the winter.
FWIW, I don't think $15 per hour is reasonable, but $10.50 per hour would make a huge difference for people who are making so little.
Every single person I have ever known to work in fast food was there because they were a jackhole and chose to be there. Dropped out of school because it was "stupid', would prefer to play video games or watch tv or get drunk over doing something productive (not that I don't enjoy those things AFTER being productive) or just plain have no initiative and do the bare minimum to get by in life. THEIR CHOICES.
I once worked with a woman who was so poor, she slept in her car, in the parking lot, when she first started her 'good paying' job until that first check. THAT is how a person in a rough spot better's their life.0 -
Not sure where you live but a one bedroom apartment here is anywhere between 1000-1800 dollars a month (admittedly I live in one of those areas with a ridiculously high cost of living). If you're making ~15,000 a year you're hardly covering rent alone.I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.
I got a very nice apartment for $425/month all utilities but electric and phone were included. My electric bill was never higher than $20/month and my phone was a cell phone for $30/month. It wasn't large by any means but it was me and my son. No cable, no internet.
Very nice apartment for 425??? in America? with electric and phone? Are you sure you don't mean a room in a nice apartment and not a whole apartment?0 -
Because Costco has extremely low turnover. Surprise, surprise, since they pay well.I'm surprised no one has brought up how when people are paid better they tend to work harder and there is low turnover, which cuts down on training costs for businesses. If you pay people minimum wage, they will give you minimum effort.
But then again, I am taking a labor econ course this semester, so, maybe that isn't common knowledge.
That's what I was alluding to in my previous post. Maybe these companies such as McDonald's have done studies to find that paying employees minimum wage and having high turnover is no more profitable than paying a higher wage such as Costco and having less turnover. Who are you, I or anyone else to try to dictate one way or the other. If said employee wants a higher wage, what is stopping them from leaving and going to Costco.....other than they might actual have to work hard to earn that wage.
I think the point is Costco and McDonalds have different business models. Turnover is a cost. Some companies place a high value on lowering this cost (Costco) while others don't value it as much (McDonalds). Costco may have higher costs in training. hiring etc. McDondalds probably doesn't see high turnover as a problem because of a high supply of people applying and/or lower training and hiring costs. Costco may be more selective in their hiring process. Costco may place ads while McDonalds just always has people asking for applications.
Costco probably also places more value on getting and keeping customers while McDonalds know losing one customer isn't going to put a dent in the bottom line.0 -
I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.
Where is this math? so we can agree with you on it!
I am rather good with math $7.50 x 40 hours x 52 weeks a year=$15,600 conservatively 1/3 paid in taxes is $10,296 take home. Broken up into 12 months is 10,296/12= $858 per month. That will barely cover rent.
But this is also where food stamps come into play. A lot of people who make this low of income are able to get food stamps on top of this. Low income housing has rent $500-800 depending on location. Where I live now it is $400. In oregon where i lived it was $500. In my home state of california it was $550.
Fast Food is not a job for someone to live off of. People should use it as means to find a better job and leave it to part time workers like high school students and college students.0 -
Time to tick someone off.
Irritates me a little they are striking. Fast food has always been known as a minimum wage job. That is why it use to always be high school students working it when in school. It is not meant to be a career job. All these people complaining about not making enough AT A FAST FOOD place should be happy they even have a job because there are tons of unemployed people who would take their job OR they should try to get a better job and better themselves rather then working a brainless job and going nowhere but complaining.
On the news today i saw a lady who said she needed more money because she was a single mom working at McDonalds. While I respect single parents and their struggles to support their kids. But she needed more money because she was a single mom and pregnant with #2. Seriously if you are already having money problems......USE PROTECTION why be dumb and have a second kid if you are not making ends meet financially. Reminds of the movie Idiocracy.
Oh boy. I love when the "don't have kids if you're poor" argument comes up.
While you may not like it, it is true. Our welfare problem wouldn't be near as bad if people weren't rewarded for bad behavior. Wht should we, as tax payers, have to support someones poor choices???? They have the choice not to have sex, or at the very least use protection!!
The problem with it is that it's just another cognitive trick to blame the poor person. The argument just lets the person blow off what the real issues are, and the real issues are that the system is staggeringly unfair.0 -
Not sure where you live but a one bedroom apartment here is anywhere between 1000-1800 dollars a month (admittedly I live in one of those areas with a ridiculously high cost of living). If you're making ~15,000 a year you're hardly covering rent alone.I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.
I got a very nice apartment for $425/month all utilities but electric and phone were included. My electric bill was never higher than $20/month and my phone was a cell phone for $30/month. It wasn't large by any means but it was me and my son. No cable, no internet.
I pay $600 for a small one bedroom, no heat or lights in a bad neighbor hood. You've got it made. You have no right to complain about what others are being paid and that they should be able to afford necessities on $7.50/hr.
Did I say I was living there now? No. I was living there when I was making $9/hour with a kid and making ends meet. I thankfully wasn't paying daycare but I did have to pay for diapers and wipes and laundry and I made it work. No, you don't have the kind of money to go out to eat or go have a drink or pay a babysitter so you can go out with friends or go out and buy a steak but you make it work. I'm not going to say how much I make now but I will say it's not much more and I have 2 kids and rent that's $200 more and a baby daddy that ran out and can't be found to pay support and because it's a bigger place a bigger electric bill and daycare costs now. I'm still doing it on my own with my job because I went out and found one that's paying more. I don't know where some of you are living that say no one is hiring because there's always a company looking to get rid of someone if the right person comes along. It doesn't hurt to try.0 -
Well, it worked for me. I took advantage of the educational and health resources that are offered to every high schooler so that I could actually reach the age of 17 without becoming pregnant and so that I could graduate high school. And then my husband put me through college by serving his country, then I put him through college with the help of the veterans' benefits he earned by serving his country, and now two poor kids turned themselves into middle-class adults by opting out of the breeding game.Time to tick someone off.
Irritates me a little they are striking. Fast food has always been known as a minimum wage job. That is why it use to always be high school students working it when in school. It is not meant to be a career job. All these people complaining about not making enough AT A FAST FOOD place should be happy they even have a job because there are tons of unemployed people who would take their job OR they should try to get a better job and better themselves rather then working a brainless job and going nowhere but complaining.
On the news today i saw a lady who said she needed more money because she was a single mom working at McDonalds. While I respect single parents and their struggles to support their kids. But she needed more money because she was a single mom and pregnant with #2. Seriously if you are already having money problems......USE PROTECTION why be dumb and have a second kid if you are not making ends meet financially. Reminds of the movie Idiocracy.
Oh boy. I love when the "don't have kids if you're poor" argument comes up.
But somehow, magically, all the other poor people have had that option taken away from them?0 -
Working fast food should be a stepping stone to getting a better job... not a career position. :bigsmile:
Yeah, because everyone has that choice in life. Not.
Everybody DOES have a choice. If you are working at McDonald's when you are 40, you made that choice. We all have similar opportunities in life. If a person decides to settle on a fast food service job, but can't seem to get ahead financially, should we just give them more without earning it?
I'm personally tired of putting in 50 to 60 hours a week to support my family and then be expected to pay out more for those that refuse to work or do the bare minimum. If you can't afford the latest and greatest gadgets on your current job, move on.
Actually, we don't have similar opportunities. Which is why we have fast food workers and why they are paid so little. Does anyone seriously think that they can just up and quit the job they are working and magically find a better paying one? They aren't trying to afford the latest and greatest gadgets, they are trying to keep a roof over their heads and food in their and their family's bellies. Oh, and maybe some electricity to run the lights and the heat in the winter.
FWIW, I don't think $15 per hour is reasonable, but $10.50 per hour would make a huge difference for people who are making so little.
Every single person I have ever known to work in fast food was there because they were a jackhole and chose to be there. Dropped out of school because it was "stupid', would prefer to play video games or watch tv or get drunk over doing something productive (not that I don't enjoy those things AFTER being productive) or just plain have no initiative and do the bare minimum to get by in life. THEIR CHOICES.
I once worked with a woman who was so poor, she slept in her car, in the parking lot, when she first started her 'good paying' job until that first check. THAT is how a person in a rough spot better's their life.
She steal that car? cause to be given a car is socialism and against everything this thread is about, which is pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.0 -
I have a college education, student loan debt of $30,000, and work my *kitten* off in a highly cerebrial position at a lawfirm as a case management analyst / specialist making $16/hr (Insiders hint: I'm the lowest paid person here). I will rue the day some unskilled carbon converter flipping burgers makes the same ammount of money I do because they feel entitled and throw a hissy fit.0
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I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.
if you can get 40...lets not forget there is a huge push for PT hours now. I dont know my math says it's pretty tight financially so you make $1200/mos before taxes. Lets say 20% for taxes, SSI, and medicare how does $960 take home sound? I live in rural California and I think you could find a place for about $600-700/month more if you lived in southern probably closer to $800-900. Are we driving to work or taking public transportation? Food $150...that would be terribly slim here because of the area I live a gallon of milk cost $5. Utilities we are all off propane and that is now $4/gal a small place let's assume $100/month to heat. Electricity easily $100. So without a car I'm getting a grand total of $10 left to spend.
To be acurate, a person making 7.50 hr isnt going to pay taxes. Hell they will probably get back more than they paid in because of the earned income credit.
i remember paying into taxes back when i made that much as a single person, no chidren and only getting a partial amount back also you continue to pay into SSI and medicare. I dont know the amount now, but I'm pretty sure something is still being taken out of your paycheck.0 -
That makes no sense. It's just objective reality. We were poor and now we're not. And we didn't "deserve" anything other than what we *earned* in the job that we were working. We worked the jobs, we improved ourselves, we got better jobs. Lather, rinse, repeat.Time to tick someone off.
Irritates me a little they are striking. Fast food has always been known as a minimum wage job. That is why it use to always be high school students working it when in school. It is not meant to be a career job. All these people complaining about not making enough AT A FAST FOOD place should be happy they even have a job because there are tons of unemployed people who would take their job OR they should try to get a better job and better themselves rather then working a brainless job and going nowhere but complaining.
On the news today i saw a lady who said she needed more money because she was a single mom working at McDonalds. While I respect single parents and their struggles to support their kids. But she needed more money because she was a single mom and pregnant with #2. Seriously if you are already having money problems......USE PROTECTION why be dumb and have a second kid if you are not making ends meet financially. Reminds of the movie Idiocracy.
Oh boy. I love when the "don't have kids if you're poor" argument comes up.
While you may not like it, it is true. Our welfare problem wouldn't be near as bad if people weren't rewarded for bad behavior. Wht should we, as tax payers, have to support someones poor choices???? They have the choice not to have sex, or at the very least use protection!!
The problem with it is that it's just another cognitive trick to blame the poor person. The argument just lets the person blow off what the real issues are, and the real issues are that the system is staggeringly unfair.0 -
woahohohoho
I worked in the service industry in high school. So this isn't an elitist, "us vs them" viewpoint by any means, and it insults my intelligence that you would assume such. Then *poof* I'm a college student. Guess what, that *poof* isn't luck or a handout or me sitting around waiting for someone to give me a bucket o' cash. This is hard work and aspirations.
Typically I wouldn't make this personal, because anecdotal evidence is useless. But chose to use yourself as an example, soooo...
Ok. Do tell. You went to college. Was it because:
A. Your parents paid for it
B. Student loans paid for it (government assistance)
C. You earned the money through your service industry job
Because A is luck, B is a handout, and C is nearly impossible.
So which is it?
Everyone loves to take all the credit for their accomplishments. They tend to forget all the help they received along the way.0 -
Not sure where you live but a one bedroom apartment here is anywhere between 1000-1800 dollars a month (admittedly I live in one of those areas with a ridiculously high cost of living). If you're making ~15,000 a year you're hardly covering rent alone.I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.
I got a very nice apartment for $425/month all utilities but electric and phone were included. My electric bill was never higher than $20/month and my phone was a cell phone for $30/month. It wasn't large by any means but it was me and my son. No cable, no internet.
I pay $600 for a small one bedroom, no heat or lights in a bad neighbor hood. You've got it made. You have no right to complain about what others are being paid and that they should be able to afford necessities on $7.50/hr.
Did I say I was living there now? No. I was living there when I was making $9/hour with a kid and making ends meet. I thankfully wasn't paying daycare but I did have to pay for diapers and wipes and laundry and I made it work. No, you don't have the kind of money to go out to eat or go have a drink or pay a babysitter so you can go out with friends or go out and buy a steak but you make it work. I'm not going to say how much I make now but I will say it's not much more and I have 2 kids and rent that's $200 more and a baby daddy that ran out and can't be found to pay support and because it's a bigger place a bigger electric bill and daycare costs now. I'm still doing it on my own with my job because I went out and found one that's paying more. I don't know where some of you are living that say no one is hiring because there's always a company looking to get rid of someone if the right person comes along. It doesn't hurt to try.
What do you consider "trying?" For 4 months I filled out every single application and handed out every single resume I had to companies that weren't even hiring. In many places the front desk staff came to know me personally. And yet I still ended up in a retail position. There literally were and still are very very very jobs here.0 -
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Every single person I have ever known to work in fast food was there because they were a jackhole and chose to be there. [/quote]
That may be my favorite quote of the day
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Time to tick someone off.
Irritates me a little they are striking. Fast food has always been known as a minimum wage job. That is why it use to always be high school students working it when in school. It is not meant to be a career job. All these people complaining about not making enough AT A FAST FOOD place should be happy they even have a job because there are tons of unemployed people who would take their job OR they should try to get a better job and better themselves rather then working a brainless job and going nowhere but complaining.
On the news today i saw a lady who said she needed more money because she was a single mom working at McDonalds. While I respect single parents and their struggles to support their kids. But she needed more money because she was a single mom and pregnant with #2. Seriously if you are already having money problems......USE PROTECTION why be dumb and have a second kid if you are not making ends meet financially. Reminds of the movie Idiocracy.
Oh boy. I love when the "don't have kids if you're poor" argument comes up.
While you may not like it, it is true. Our welfare problem wouldn't be near as bad if people weren't rewarded for bad behavior. Wht should we, as tax payers, have to support someones poor choices???? They have the choice not to have sex, or at the very least use protection!!
The problem with it is that it's just another cognitive trick to blame the poor person. The argument just lets the person blow off what the real issues are, and the real issues are that the system is staggeringly unfair.
They system is what it is. The problem is that people who not live beyond their means. If they can not afford kids then do not have them. Just the same with a person who is well off but has a shopping addiction and building up debt. Just do not live beyond means. How is it a cognitive trick? I would really like to know how the system is unfair. In college i lived in poor neighborhood and all my neighbors were on welfare and food stamps. None of them worked and all sat on *kitten* while collecting free money. One neighbor would come over and smoke weed with my roomates all the time. he always had weed. On my birthday he offered my and 1/8th as a present. So tell me how is the system really unfair? BTW they had 4 kids because they got more money for each kid they had on welfare.0 -
Something I'm amused about in this thread. The lack of logic. People working in fast food at minimum wage can't afford to even support themselves and their family. So what's the solution being suggested? Get an education. Yes, because people who can't afford to pay rent can certainly afford the thousands of dollars it takes to go to college.
You are obviously unaware of how much assistance is available, and how easy it is to get, for education. Student loans are no problem if you don't qualify for anything else.
And you are obviously unaware of how common it is to rack up thousands in student loan debt and STILL be unable to find a job that pays well. And I'm not just talking about the degrees that are essentially useless, either.
There is a lot to be said about being diligent with your choices, researching market demand, and picking a degree with high demand and forecasted growth.
And I agree wholeheartedly with that. But not every person is suited for the jobs that are in demand. I hate math, for example, so engineering and finance (two jobs that are conceivably always in demand) are not something I could/would pursue. Does that mean I should be regulated to fast food/hospitality? Of course not. I researched my degree and the required further education (MS,PhD etc) needed to get the job I want. I'm not in it for the money, necessarily. I just want a job that I actually enjoy and feel useful in doing. Both parents work at jobs they despise so that their kids wouldn't have to. Spoiler alert: they both currently do. My brother recently graduated from his sheet metal apprenticeship and makes as much as my husband, who is a pharmacist. The only difference is that one of them is 150 grand in debt and the other isn't.
So the implication is that your husband shouldn't have pursued pharmacy, a field that is absolutely critical, because it took hard work and money?
I hate math too, shucks not many people love it. But I'm decently good at it and understand that working in the engineering industry puts my talents in the best possible arena to help people. If I could make as much flipping burgers as I could as an engineer, would I bail on engineering because it was easier? Absolutely not.
Just mah $0.02 :flowerforyou:
That wasn't the implication at all! The point of my response is that some people don't have the aptitude for the jobs currently in demand, so they don't pursue an education in those fields.
My husby pursued pharmacy because he loves it, and has the intelligence/skill set/drive to. My brother got his apprenticeship because he's good at whatever it is tin knockers do all day (sadly, I really don't know the intricacies of the different categories of apprenticeship). Both fields require years of work to achieve anything in. In fact, they took about the same amount of time.
*I* don't pursue a career in engineering because I just don't have the aptitude for it. Trust me, I'm the LAST person you want designing a bridge you have to drive over.
It's not at ALL about what's easier, but what you have the aptitude for.
Kudos on your career in engineering, btw :flowerforyou:0 -
read anything by John R. Commons:
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No I didn't know you were being sarcastic. Because this is the internet and I can't hear the tone of your voice. Nothing in your post would lead anyone to think you were being sarcastic.
So how about you just admit you have nothing to back up your words and are using the "I was just being sarcastic" cop out to weasel out of the what you've said?
Moving on to the next bad argument...
Really... saying people should be taken off assistance and left to die by a harsh winter wasn't an enough give away... I guess I will weasel out now because I can't out crazy someone who is think that is a normal statement to make.
This reply wasn't sarcasm, I'm simple impressed but how little humanity you can view in others.
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$15/hr to ask "Do you want fries with that?" Um, no.
That is the entitlement mentality. The thing that gets me is that there are jobs out there. The problem is no one wants them. They'd rather sit on their *kitten* with their hands out and let the government take care of them. Here there are a bunch of people who should be happy to be employed regardless of whether or not they're getting paid minimum wage and they want to strike for more money?
Waitresses get paid less than minimum wage and rely on their tips. How many waitresses have ever gone on strike and demanded higher wages? Last I checked none.0 -
Not sure where you live but a one bedroom apartment here is anywhere between 1000-1800 dollars a month (admittedly I live in one of those areas with a ridiculously high cost of living). If you're making ~15,000 a year you're hardly covering rent alone.I just did the math and at a full 40 hours a week at $7.50/hour if you're a single person and need a 1 bedroom apartment, you can live off that no problem.
I got a very nice apartment for $425/month all utilities but electric and phone were included. My electric bill was never higher than $20/month and my phone was a cell phone for $30/month. It wasn't large by any means but it was me and my son. No cable, no internet.
Very nice apartment for 425??? in America? with electric and phone? Are you sure you don't mean a room in a nice apartment and not a whole apartment?
A very nice (small but nice) one bedroom apartment without electric or phone. Yes, this was my place. I guess everyone's definition of "nice" differs but it had a lock on the door, a kitchen (no room for a dining room table), a large linen closet, a small bathroom, and a bedroom. It was all I needed.0 -
Really... saying people should be taken off assistance and left to die by a harsh winter wasn't an enough give away... I guess I will weasel out now because I can't out crazy someone who is think that is a normal statement to make.
This reply wasn't sarcasm, I'm simple impressed but how little humanity you can view in others.
/weaselout
Poe's law, my man. Poe's law. Why would I think you were exaggerating when so many other posters are saying the same thing? "If you're poor shut up and starve. No public assistance and you're not allowed to even ask for a raise. You're a jackhole who should be thankful for the scraps you're given." All of this has been said in the thread by people who honestly mean it.0 -
Does anyone complaining about this have a rudimentary understanding of economics or human resources? Jobs pay what they're valued at. If McDonald's doesn't think you're worth $15/hr, you're not worth $15/hr, if these people are worth $15 why don't they go find a job that pays them $15/hr?? Because they can't, minimum effort, minimum education, minimum motivation get you minimum wage. Instead we say "golly this person wants to make $15/hr, why don't we just MAKE mcDonald's pay them $15/hr? even though they're not worth it"....then McDonald's fires all of their worker except for a few cooks and a manager, and replaces them with robots and then we get to hear about "greedy big business replacing humans with machines" Honestly I swear, read a book sometime! I recommend Atlas Shrugs or Wealth of Nations.0
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