I miss food
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One or two things is totally different than the extensive list the op began with. I will agree if there is that one indulgence that you feel you can't control, if you partake, it is wise to avoids situations that will give you access to it, but if all foods are like this for you it is a problem with self control.
I agree. I find that there are certain foods I PREFER not to eat because it's easier than trying to moderate them. It's what works FOR ME. Of course to some, this means I need to "learn self control". Ironically, choosing not to eat them, or eat them very very very rarely IS self control.yep. That's how my mom does it. If you like eating it. DO NOT EAT IT. My parents simply never buy chips, sweets, cheese, nuts, etc. My dad jokes that they live on baked fish, kale and dust. My mom says you loose the cravings completely after 6-9 months if you never give in.
I don't get this at all. Why such an all-or-nothing approach to food? IMO, that's an unhealthy way of eating and a sure fire way to set yourself up for failure.
Eat what you want, in moderation. Or lift some heavy stuff and eat a lot of it, like me.
Some people need a more all-or-nothing approach. I know for me, once I have a little splurge it is REALLY hard not to throw the whole day/week/month away. For those of us that may have mild food addictions or binge eating disorders we are not good at "moderation". That's why we're here in the first place. lol
Everyone needs to recognize what works for them, and it's okay to miss certain foods. And it is okay to have them in moderation. You just have to find your happy place!
There are many correct approaches. We each need to find what works for us.0 -
Absolutely. And I edited my post to reflect that. The OP has posted NOTHING that suggests she's attempting a "lifestyle". She wants a quick fix. Every thread she posts points to that.
One or two things is totally different than the extensive list the op began with. I will agree if there is that one indulgence that you feel you can't control, if you partake, it is wise to avoids situations that will give you access to it, but if all foods are like this for you it is a problem with self control.
I agree. I find that there are certain foods I PREFER not to eat because it's easier than trying to moderate them. It's what works FOR ME. Of course to some, this means I need to "learn self control". Ironically, choosing not to eat them, or eat them very very very rarely IS self control.yep. That's how my mom does it. If you like eating it. DO NOT EAT IT. My parents simply never buy chips, sweets, cheese, nuts, etc. My dad jokes that they live on baked fish, kale and dust. My mom says you loose the cravings completely after 6-9 months if you never give in.
I don't get this at all. Why such an all-or-nothing approach to food? IMO, that's an unhealthy way of eating and a sure fire way to set yourself up for failure.
Eat what you want, in moderation. Or lift some heavy stuff and eat a lot of it, like me.
Some people need a more all-or-nothing approach. I know for me, once I have a little splurge it is REALLY hard not to throw the whole day/week/month away. For those of us that may have mild food addictions or binge eating disorders we are not good at "moderation". That's why we're here in the first place. lol
Everyone needs to recognize what works for them, and it's okay to miss certain foods. And it is okay to have them in moderation. You just have to find your happy place!
There are many correct approaches. We each need to find what works for us.
And yes, for me it's basically two things: tortilla chips and ice cream. And with ice cream it's only hard to limit myself at certain times a month. Tortilla chips: all bets are off. So I don't buy them. Simple enough.0 -
I eat most of this stuff on a daily basis....fit in in your day...remember: lifestyle, not diet.0
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I MISS PIZZA.0
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Try PB2 for your peanut butter.
OMG, I LOVE PB2. Not as greasy as regular peanut butter and has all the peanutty goodness...
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to OP, like everyone else said (i didn't read all the posts), eat what you want, just not as much or as often. I am always paying attention to my body's signals for needs and wants and when it has had enough. i don't deny myself any food or drink. i just eat and drink less of the foods that aren't going to help me be healthy.
IMHO, if i have to give up the foods i love permanently in order to be SKINNY, i would rather be fat and happy. there is no way in h*** that anyone is going to tell me i can't ever have the foods i like, or tell me i HAVE to be skinny for everyone to like me. my DH is a wonderful, supportive man who wants me to be healthy, but not at the expense of being happy and able to live my life. my mother has been on some wacked out diet since she was 18 yrs old and she looks anorexic because of what she doesn't eat and too much exercising.
no thank you, i would rather be fat and happy, then skinny and miserable.0 -
That's not the issue here though, the issue is she has an unreasonable calorie goal.
I didn't see anything in the OP's post about calorie goals, only the kinds of food she misses.0 -
Well then you need to work on your relationship with food, because you are always going to be around it. If you can't improve that then how do you plan on maintaining?
Honestly, I don't think I'll be able to. I never have been able to. I lost 30 pounds between June and November of last year but between November and today I have gained back 21. I just don't have the willpower to sustain it.0 -
Her last thread (which was removed by mods) said she was eating 800 calories a day. All her threads have been like this. 800 calories... Detoxes.... quick fix, quick fix, quick fix.That's not the issue here though, the issue is she has an unreasonable calorie goal.
I didn't see anything in the OP's post about calorie goals, only the kinds of food she misses.0 -
I personally find it takes more willpower to exercise off a calorie than to not eat it in the first place.0 -
^This. Sometimes it is worth it to endulge yourself and remember that it is extremely difficult to undue all of your hard work with one or two days of treating yourself to what you love to eat.
The problem with this mentality is that one or two days of treating yourself easily turns into one or two months of treating yourself. It's the same reason why an alcoholic can never have "just one drink" even long after the chemical addiction is over.
Giving in to treats is playing with fire. It takes more willpower to stop good feeling stimuli than to not start it to begin with.0 -
^This. Sometimes it is worth it to endulge yourself and remember that it is extremely difficult to undue all of your hard work with one or two days of treating yourself to what you love to eat.
The problem with this mentality is that one or two days of treating yourself easily turns into one or two months of treating yourself. It's the same reason why an alcoholic can never have "just one drink" even long after the chemical addiction is over.
Giving in to treats is playing with fire. It takes more willpower to stop good feeling stimuli than to not start it to begin with.
Exactly...and in my opinion that IS self-control.0 -
What they need to do is learn moderation and self-control.
Why don't they do this with alcoholics?0 -
Exactly...and in my opinion that IS self-control.
Here is what that kind of self-control looks like for me:
http://i.imgur.com/ijSkLog.jpg0 -
What they need to do is learn moderation and self-control.
Why don't they do this with alcoholics?
Because alcohol is a psychoactive drug that induces a physical chemical dependence.
"Food that tastes really good" does not form a physical dependence and is not psychoactive.0 -
What they need to do is learn moderation and self-control.
Why don't they do this with alcoholics?
Because alcohol is a psychoactive drug that induces a physical chemical dependence.
"Food that tastes really good" does not form a physical dependence and is not psychoactive.
Actually sugar and white flour can have addictive properties. That is why overeaters anonymous exists, just like alcoholics anonymous.0 -
Exactly...and in my opinion that IS self-control.
Here is what that kind of self-control looks like for me:
http://i.imgur.com/ijSkLog.jpg
No, I'm saying that knowing what foods you cannot enjoy in moderation and no indulging in them IS self-control.0 -
What they need to do is learn moderation and self-control.
Why don't they do this with alcoholics?
Because alcohol is a psychoactive drug that induces a physical chemical dependence.
"Food that tastes really good" does not form a physical dependence and is not psychoactive.
Actually sugar and white flour can have addictive properties. That is why overeaters anonymous exists, just like alcoholics anonymous.
God we have that debate at least 2-3 times a week here. Sugar is not addictive, as it does not cause a physical dependence and no one resorts to eating pure sugar. Hyperpalatable foods, which almost invariably consist of certain combinations of sugar and fat (and sometimes salt) cause people control issues, but the science and psychology professionals generally agree that this is not an addiction. Some people have food addictions, but not sugar ones.0 -
I still love too have a couple glassez of wine just fit it into my calories for the day and at least burn 500 calories that day0
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I meant to quote that. And I went and got the blood work and resting metabolic rate test done at a gym, and my metabolism is very low. According to most charts i should have rmr of about 1394, but mine is 1167. So to actually loose without spending two hours in the gym every day, I was told to eat a thousand calories a day by a nutritionist. That makes a lot of salads with minimal dressings, vegetable soups, and yogurts. So, I basically eat salads, soups, steamed veggies and yogurt. Sometimes a veggie sausage patty, usually a string cheese. Lots of fruit.
And my mom is physically active, sleeps enough, and never ever ever gets sick. I also don't think shes ate anything processed, or non free range/organic/locally farmed in years.
I know this has been pointed out, but I want to emphasize it... EAT MORE THAN YOUR RMR.
Your Resting Metabolic Rate (RMR) is just that, resting. That's how many calories you'd need to eat to maintain weight while simply resting. But, I would wager, you get up once in a while, walk around, fix dinner... all that takes extra calories. Plus the stuff you burn when in the gym. RMR plus that other stuff adds up to your TDEE, or Total Daily Energy Expenditure. And it will be more than your RMR.
To lose weight, eat more than your RMR, but less than your TDEE.
I don't know why the nutritionist told you to only eat 1,000, but it seems criminally low to me. Plus, more calories means you'll have some room for treats, and still lose weight. Win-win!0 -
Why can't you eat them in moderation?0
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I've read this whole doggone thread and now Im hungry as hell :laugh:
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Because alcohol is a psychoactive drug that induces a physical chemical dependence.
"Food that tastes really good" does not form a physical dependence and is not psychoactive.
But they say ex-alcoholics are only one drink away from being an alcoholic again even long after the physical chemical dependence is over. Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. It's because the psychological component of the addiction persists even after the chemical component is licked.0 -
I'm convinced people avoid foods just so they can say they a suffering and too show how hard their diet is. In reality it needn't be. It's a bit of one upmanship. I lost this weight by eating balsa wood it was so hard. then someone will say I lost weight by ingesting tape worms see how hard I had it. Then when they cant keep up permanently they put all the weight back on and can start the cycle againThis whole thread just makes me sad...so much unnecessary food avoidance and such unwillingness to even attempt to learn portion control and moderation...yes...these things are learned. I foresee tough sledding in the future...especially maintenance.
It's the same mindeset that lead people to try and make losing weight so complicated by other methods. So sad really. Anyway I'm going to go off and eat my Stirfry and enjoy my pudding baked bananas with Chocolate sauce and Ice cream
WOW. i am SO relieved that someone else said what i was thinking.0 -
Sugar is not addictive, as it does not cause a physical dependence and no one resorts to eating pure sugar.
Please note that there are addictions that have no physical dependence. Like gambling.Hyperpalatable foods, which almost invariably consist of certain combinations of sugar and fat (and sometimes salt) cause people control issues, but the science and psychology professionals generally agree that this is not an addiction.
It is my impression that his is changing. Binge eating is now listed in the DSM-V:
"Binge eating disorder is defined as recurring episodes of eating significantly more food in a short period
of time than most people would eat under similar circumstances, with episodes marked by feelings of
lack of control. Someone with binge eating disorder may eat too quickly, even when he or she is not
hungry. The person may have feelings of guilt, embarrassment, or disgust and may binge eat alone
to hide the behavior. This disorder is associated with marked distress and occurs, on average, at least
once a week over three months."
There is a growing recognition that eating can trigger the same pleasure circuitry as other addictive behaviors.
This is a good article that sums up the current ideas on food addiction from a few PhDs from the European College of Neuropsychopharmacology (ECNP) Congress:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/812650#1
Here is a good quote:
""Food consumption, unlike alcohol, cocaine, or gambling or Internet gaming behaviors, is necessary for survival. But we don't completely understand why certain vulnerable individuals become addicted, transferring something rewarding to becoming addicted to it. For drugs, it's much easier to separate what's going on," said Dr. ****son.
"We had to ask if the evidence supports food addiction for more than a small proportion of the population," added Dr. ****son.
"But I have to say that in man, there is no solid evidence that any food, ingredient, combination of ingredients, or additive (with the exception of caffeine) causes us to become addicted to it. That is different from drugs, which we know engage the brain and cause us to become addicted to them," she explained.
"Still, if we move away from food and concentrate on the individual, we can see that certain obese individuals express addictionlike behaviors."
"Looking at the brain response to anticipating or receiving a chocolate milk shake, they found some evidence that those patients who had a high food addiction scale rating had different responses to the drink than did those who had a low rating. But where are the cutoffs if we are going to use fMRI to help us?" she asked.
"I think increased research into BED and food addiction is needed, and it will facilitate new diagnosis and therapeutic advances for obesity prevention and treatment," she concluded. "
To me, personal experiences aside, it seems very reasonable that if people can binge eat due to compulsive lack of control, then they can merely overeat for the same reason. I can sit down and eat 1600 calories of ice cream without feeling uncomfortably full, but I've still lost control over what I'm eating and I've still blown my calorie intake.0 -
I don't feel that way. I haven't walked a mile in anyone else's shoes, so I can't speak to their relationship with food.
I'm convinced people avoid foods just so they can say they a suffering and too show how hard their diet is. In reality it needn't be. It's a bit of one upmanship. I lost this weight by eating balsa wood it was so hard. then someone will say I lost weight by ingesting tape worms see how hard I had it. Then when they cant keep up permanently they put all the weight back on and can start the cycle againThis whole thread just makes me sad...so much unnecessary food avoidance and such unwillingness to even attempt to learn portion control and moderation...yes...these things are learned. I foresee tough sledding in the future...especially maintenance.
It's the same mindeset that lead people to try and make losing weight so complicated by other methods. So sad really. Anyway I'm going to go off and eat my Stirfry and enjoy my pudding baked bananas with Chocolate sauce and Ice cream
WOW. i am SO relieved that someone else said what i was thinking.
And as others have pointed out, there are many compulsions and addictions besides alcohol and drugs.0 -
So according to charts the foods I'm craving mean I need more protein, omega3/6 and calories. Right now I would kill for an omelet with avocado.
THEN EAT IT!!!!!!!!!!! Dang, eat what your body craves.0 -
Sugar is not addictive, as it does not cause a physical dependence and no one resorts to eating pure sugar.
Please note that there are addictions that have no physical dependence. Like gambling.Hyperpalatable foods, which almost invariably consist of certain combinations of sugar and fat (and sometimes salt) cause people control issues, but the science and psychology professionals generally agree that this is not an addiction.
It is my impression that his is changing. Binge eating is now listed in the DSM-V:
"Binge eating disorder is defined as recurring episodes of eating significantly more food in a short period
of time than most people would eat under similar circumstances, with episodes marked by feelings of
lack of control. Someone with binge eating disorder may eat too quickly, even when he or she is not
hungry. The person may have feelings of guilt, embarrassment, or disgust and may binge eat alone
to hide the behavior. This disorder is associated with marked distress and occurs, on average, at least
once a week over three months."
There is a growing recognition that eating can trigger the same pleasure circuitry as other addictive behaviors.
This is a good article that sums up the current ideas on food addiction from a few PhDs from the European College of Neuropsychopharmacology (ECNP) Congress:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/812650#1
Here is a good quote:
""Food consumption, unlike alcohol, cocaine, or gambling or Internet gaming behaviors, is necessary for survival. But we don't completely understand why certain vulnerable individuals become addicted, transferring something rewarding to becoming addicted to it. For drugs, it's much easier to separate what's going on," said Dr. ****son.
"We had to ask if the evidence supports food addiction for more than a small proportion of the population," added Dr. ****son.
"But I have to say that in man, there is no solid evidence that any food, ingredient, combination of ingredients, or additive (with the exception of caffeine) causes us to become addicted to it. That is different from drugs, which we know engage the brain and cause us to become addicted to them," she explained.
"Still, if we move away from food and concentrate on the individual, we can see that certain obese individuals express addictionlike behaviors."
"Looking at the brain response to anticipating or receiving a chocolate milk shake, they found some evidence that those patients who had a high food addiction scale rating had different responses to the drink than did those who had a low rating. But where are the cutoffs if we are going to use fMRI to help us?" she asked.
"I think increased research into BED and food addiction is needed, and it will facilitate new diagnosis and therapeutic advances for obesity prevention and treatment," she concluded. "
To me, personal experiences aside, it seems very reasonable that if people can binge eat due to compulsive lack of control, then they can merely overeat for the same reason. I can sit down and eat 1600 calories of ice cream without feeling uncomfortably full, but I've still lost control over what I'm eating and I've still blown my calorie intake.
Binge eating is not sugar addiction.0 -
You might not be able to have ALL of those things in one day or sitting and not break your calorie bank. But I see absolutely no reason why you couldn't have one of those things on a different day of the week.
Monday - larger breakfast
Tuesday - ice cream for desert
Wednesday - Chips and salsa as a snack
Ect...ect... Deprivation diets do not work, they set you up for failure.
Also get yourself some exercise, you are suppose to eat those calories on top of your current goal. Sometimes I workout just so I can eat more.
Deprivation is why I was never able to lose any weight before. Moderation is the key. You can still enjoy the things you like!
I like the above idea about having certain treats/snacks on a certain day. I may have to borrow that idea.
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Binge eating is not sugar addiction.
I did not say it was.0
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