I miss food
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I haven't been able to read all the posts so I'm sorry if this is a repeat: I can understand why you wouldn't want to eat some of the foods, like chips. That's understandable especially if you absolutely cannot control yourself. But hummus? Chickpeas? Instead of a 2 TBS serving of hummus measure out 1/2 cup and log the calories. If you have portion control issues (I DO!), then think about buying smaller containers/bowls so they're more filled up, which may help you think you're having more than you are. I measure everything then put the containers back in the fridge before I eat because I'll just sit there and dip 40 baby carrots in an entire container of hummus if I don't. For me it's ALL about planning and measuring my food out, whether it's for a meal I'm about to eat right then or if it's the night before for the next day at work. It's the ONLY way I can keep any sort of potion control.
I'm really short (4'11") and don't have a lot of weight to lose (about 10 lbs), so I don't "get" a lot of calories unless I exercise. For instance, on the weekend if I want to indulge a little and have pizza, I go on a 6-mile hike to make up for it (I live in the Northeast and happen to love winter hiking, but I know it's not for everyone). As far as I'm concerned, if you can get your portions under control, it's A LOT healthier mentally and emotionally to allow oneself to have things like pizza (or whatever) once a week or so.
Just my opinion, but I've been where you are and it's miserable.0 -
That's understandable especially if you absolutely cannot control yourself. But hummus? Chickpeas?
Yeah, but who has self-control issues with hummus and chickpeas?0 -
NOTHING wrong with Salsa, you can eat salsa just skip the chipsI miss...chips and salsa. Chips and Guac. F lamming Cheetos. More than one dinky ounce of cheese. Potatoes with cheese and salsa and onions and peppers..a whole baked one. Ice cream. Cashews. Damn I really miss cashews. Nuts. Peanut butter. One spoon is pathetic. Hummus. Chick Peas out of the can. Cheese enchilada. Eggplant Parm. Garlic bread with cheese. Eggs with cheese, peppers, onions, diced potatoes and salsa scrambled. Hash browns.0 -
I personally find it takes more willpower to exercise off a calorie than to not eat it in the first place.
The OP of that thread does NOT exercise for more calories/to burn off the things she eats, BTW.0 -
I've read this whole doggone thread and now Im hungry as hell :laugh:
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Well then you need to work on your relationship with food, because you are always going to be around it. If you can't improve that then how do you plan on maintaining?
Honestly, I don't think I'll be able to. I never have been able to. I lost 30 pounds between June and November of last year but between November and today I have gained back 21. I just don't have the willpower to sustain it.
You don't need willpower. You need habits. You might also need a paradigm shift in attitude toward yourself, how you look and how you define yourself. That's what a lot of the people who are successful on this site experience and that's what we try to communicate.0 -
What they need to do is learn moderation and self-control.
Why don't they do this with alcoholics?
A - you do need food for survival and it's harder to live without specific categories of food than it is to live without alcohol
B - they do. http://www.soberforever.net/different-treatment.cfm0 -
I personally find it takes more willpower to exercise off a calorie than to not eat it in the first place.
You don't always want to exercise off a calorie. Sometimes you want to turn that calorie into muscle.
Anyway, you should be indulging in an active lifestyle regardless. It'll make you feel better, be healthier and gain you more willpower even if you don't get to eat any more calories (I mean, a mile running is only 100 calories. A 5k is like an apple and a glass of chocolate milk). Once you are out there doing what you do, throwing a bit more intensity in after a heavy feed is not very hard at all.0 -
What they need to do is learn moderation and self-control.
Why don't they do this with alcoholics?
Because alcohol is a psychoactive drug that induces a physical chemical dependence.
"Food that tastes really good" does not form a physical dependence and is not psychoactive.
Actually sugar and white flour can have addictive properties. That is why overeaters anonymous exists, just like alcoholics anonymous.
God we have that debate at least 2-3 times a week here. Sugar is not addictive, as it does not cause a physical dependence and no one resorts to eating pure sugar. Hyperpalatable foods, which almost invariably consist of certain combinations of sugar and fat (and sometimes salt) cause people control issues, but the science and psychology professionals generally agree that this is not an addiction. Some people have food addictions, but not sugar ones.
How come nobody mentions arugula or masago when discussing addictions? I spent both pregnancies desperately craving sushi. I still swear that Rapunzel is another word for arugula.0 -
That's understandable especially if you absolutely cannot control yourself. But hummus? Chickpeas?
Yeah, but who has self-control issues with hummus and chickpeas?
I do.... That stuff is like crack to me. OM NOM NOM!!!!0 -
That's understandable especially if you absolutely cannot control yourself. But hummus? Chickpeas?
Yeah, but who has self-control issues with hummus and chickpeas?
I do.... That stuff is like crack to me. OM NOM NOM!!!!
Me, I want to eat the whole tub of hummus or can of chickpeas. I'm the same way with broadbeans in tomato sauce.0 -
Because alcohol is a psychoactive drug that induces a physical chemical dependence.
"Food that tastes really good" does not form a physical dependence and is not psychoactive.
But they say ex-alcoholics are only one drink away from being an alcoholic again even long after the physical chemical dependence is over. Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. It's because the psychological component of the addiction persists even after the chemical component is licked.
Addictive personalities are addictive. Many people who have gone through rehab say that they are not "cured" but the addiction is transferred to a new item. Notice almost all people at an AA meeting are serious hard core chain smokers or coffee drinkers. Ex smokers chew packs and packs of gum. Many NA people are "sugar addicts" because the sugar rush triggers the same area of the brain as narcotics. Cocaine users are phased into working out.. so they become fanatical exercisers, chasing that endorphin rush. So, can addiction be cured or merely transferred to a new object.0 -
If you want one, then have an omelet with avocado - protein and healthy fat. Put a green salad on the side if it makes you feel better.
Do as the French do. They eat real food and whatever they want, including butter, cheese, meat and chocolate. But they eat very small portions, don't snack between meals, and have much less fast or processed food than Americans.
Or do as the Asians do. They eat very light foods -- steamed lean protein, greens, some rice, broths -- but plenty in terms of volume.
Or eat at a deficit most of the time, and then go up to maintenance when you want a treat once or twice a week.
Really, it doesn't matter how you do it so long as you're burning more calories than you are eating.
If you really want one of the foods you list, then have two meals instead of three that day. When I want to splurge, I have a brunch type meal, and then dinner.
I also wonder what kind of nutritionist is giving you advice if you are eating tons of fruit, but feel bad putting a few eggs in there.0 -
Because alcohol is a psychoactive drug that induces a physical chemical dependence.
"Food that tastes really good" does not form a physical dependence and is not psychoactive.
But they say ex-alcoholics are only one drink away from being an alcoholic again even long after the physical chemical dependence is over. Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. It's because the psychological component of the addiction persists even after the chemical component is licked.
Addictive personalities are addictive. Many people who have gone through rehab say that they are not "cured" but the addiction is transferred to a new item. Notice almost all people at an AA meeting are serious hard core chain smokers or coffee drinkers. Ex smokers chew packs and packs of gum. Many NA people are "sugar addicts" because the sugar rush triggers the same area of the brain as narcotics. Cocaine users are phased into working out.. so they become fanatical exercisers, chasing that endorphin rush. So, can addiction be cured or merely transferred to a new object.
I was thinking in the car that this might be why so many successful people are fat - they are dopamine chasers. They seek out that "I'm about to get a payoff" feeling.0 -
Have them then. There's no reason you can't eat these things in moderation
This!! I think you can have them, why not??0 -
Have them then. There's no reason you can't eat these things in moderation
This!! I think you can have them, why not??
in my experience, when you deprive yourself of the food you love, you set yourself up for binging and or getting offtrack. You have to make lifestyle changes by incorporating moderation into everything. Have a couple bites of what you crave and log it.0 -
I just miss food in large quantities. I want to eat three cookies! Or a big bowl of pasta. Or a couple huge waffles with butter and maple syrup. Pizza until I'm stuffed. A sandwich on a hunk of French bread. A cinnamon bun the size of a plate.
Clearly, what I really miss is crappy processed carbs. And I don't even intentionally eat low-carb! It's just that everything like that has so many calories.0 -
I just miss food in large quantities. I want to eat three cookies! Or a big bowl of pasta. Or a couple huge waffles with butter and maple syrup. Pizza until I'm stuffed. A sandwich on a hunk of French bread. A cinnamon bun the size of a plate.
Clearly, what I really miss is crappy processed carbs. And I don't even intentionally eat low-carb! It's just that everything like that has so many calories.
Why? When you eat in moderation regularly, you get used to that amount of food, and you shouldn't want to stuff yourself with large amounts of food. If you take the time to enjoy what you do eat, you'll get a lot more satisfaction from it. How much enjoyment do you get from a cinnamon bun the size of a plate that stuffs your belly and makes you feel crappy, versus a small one that you eat slowly and take the time to really enjoy, and leaves you feeling wonderful?
And if you really want to eat more, find ways to burn more calories so you can fit more calories into your day.0 -
Clearly, what I really miss is crappy processed carbs. And I don't even intentionally eat low-carb! It's just that everything like that has so many calories.
This is what is really behind successful low-carb dieting. It has morphed into a cult where people think there is something actually wrong with carbs. There isn't. But the problem is they are highly compelling to eat and they are very calorie dense in spite of not being very filling. I can consume my entire daily allotment of 1700 calories with two bowls of ice cream.0 -
Why? When you eat in moderation regularly, you get used to that amount of food, and you shouldn't want to stuff yourself with large amounts of food.
Maybe for some people. Here is what happened to me after 5 months of eating to my MFP calorie limit and then not logging:
http://i.imgur.com/ijSkLog.jpg0 -
Clearly, what I really miss is crappy processed carbs. And I don't even intentionally eat low-carb! It's just that everything like that has so many calories.
This is what is really behind successful low-carb dieting. It has morphed into a cult where people think there is something actually wrong with carbs. There isn't. But the problem is they are highly compelling to eat and they are very calorie dense in spite of not being very filling. I can consume my entire daily allotment of 1700 calories with two bowls of ice cream.
Which is why you should weigh and measure all of your food. If you use a food scale to measure out a single serving of ice cream, it's only about 130-170 calories and you've got plenty of room in the rest of your day for other foods. And you still had your treat.0 -
Why? When you eat in moderation regularly, you get used to that amount of food, and you shouldn't want to stuff yourself with large amounts of food.
Maybe for some people. Here is what happened to me after 5 months of eating to my MFP calorie limit and then not logging:
http://i.imgur.com/ijSkLog.jpg
I'm at work and can't see your post, but I'd imagine the key words in your post are "NOT LOGGING".0 -
I just miss food in large quantities. I want to eat three cookies! Or a big bowl of pasta. Or a couple huge waffles with butter and maple syrup. Pizza until I'm stuffed. A sandwich on a hunk of French bread. A cinnamon bun the size of a plate.
Clearly, what I really miss is crappy processed carbs. And I don't even intentionally eat low-carb! It's just that everything like that has so many calories.
Why? When you eat in moderation regularly, you get used to that amount of food, and you shouldn't want to stuff yourself with large amounts of food. If you take the time to enjoy what you do eat, you'll get a lot more satisfaction from it. How much enjoyment do you get from a cinnamon bun the size of a plate that stuffs your belly and makes you feel crappy, versus a small one that you eat slowly and take the time to really enjoy, and leaves you feeling wonderful?
And if you really want to eat more, find ways to burn more calories so you can fit more calories into your day.
Hi. Take a look at my ticker. I'm lower than my goal weight and under 120 pounds, and my highest weight was not even "overweight" (and I've maintained my loss for close to a year...) Clearly I understand that I can't have massive quantities of carbs. I don't know if I needed the moderation lecture on what was clearly a bit of a light-hearted post.
Obviously in my day-to-day life I do eat things like processed carbs in small quantities. But no, eating one cookie is sometimes NOT as satisfying as stuffing myself with them. And I can tell you that I do absolutely enjoy a gigantic cinnamon bun more than a small one- it doesn't leave me feeling crappy at all. Thanks for the preaching, but I really like food. And a little idle wishing for massive amounts of sugar and flour is just that- idle. On your high horse much?
And yeah, on the rare occasion I do eat half a loaf of bread, I work out more to compensate. That's kind of Diet 101. Jeez. I didn't realize that one silky post was going to bring the Diet Police down on my head.0 -
I just miss food in large quantities. I want to eat three cookies! Or a big bowl of pasta. Or a couple huge waffles with butter and maple syrup. Pizza until I'm stuffed. A sandwich on a hunk of French bread. A cinnamon bun the size of a plate.
Clearly, what I really miss is crappy processed carbs. And I don't even intentionally eat low-carb! It's just that everything like that has so many calories.
Why? When you eat in moderation regularly, you get used to that amount of food, and you shouldn't want to stuff yourself with large amounts of food. If you take the time to enjoy what you do eat, you'll get a lot more satisfaction from it. How much enjoyment do you get from a cinnamon bun the size of a plate that stuffs your belly and makes you feel crappy, versus a small one that you eat slowly and take the time to really enjoy, and leaves you feeling wonderful?
And if you really want to eat more, find ways to burn more calories so you can fit more calories into your day.
Hi. Take a look at my ticker. I'm lower than my goal weight and under 120 pounds, and my highest weight was not even "overweight" (and I've maintained my loss for close to a year...) Clearly I understand that I can't have massive quantities of carbs. I don't know if I needed the moderation lecture on what was clearly a bit of a light-hearted post.
Obviously in my day-to-day life I do eat things like processed carbs in small quantities. But no, eating one cookie is sometimes NOT as satisfying as stuffing myself with them. And I can tell you that I do absolutely enjoy a gigantic cinnamon bun more than a small one- it doesn't leave me feeling crappy at all. Thanks for the preaching, but I really like food. And a little idle wishing for massive amounts of sugar and flour is just that- idle. On your high horse much?
And yeah, on the rare occasion I do eat half a loaf of bread, I work out more to compensate. That's kind of Diet 101. Jeez. I didn't realize that one silky post was going to bring the Diet Police down on my head.
So you completely agree with what I said, but I'm preaching from the back of a horse? Huh.0 -
Nope, don't completely agree at all. You may notice the paragraph about how sometime moderation does NOT feel better than indulgence. That's clear disagreement.
The high horse part of the comment referred to your tone (all the "you'll feel so much better if you eat that small wonderful thing") and the implication that I needed to be told to exercise off excess calories. Come on now.0 -
Why? When you eat in moderation regularly, you get used to that amount of food, and you shouldn't want to stuff yourself with large amounts of food.
Maybe for some people. Here is what happened to me after 5 months of eating to my MFP calorie limit and then not logging:
http://i.imgur.com/ijSkLog.jpg
How hungry were you before meals? How hungry were you after you ate? Did you feel sated, full or stuffed? How hungry were you between meals? Were you eating at the same times/same quantities that you were when you were logging on MFP or were you using not logging as an excuse to eat the world?
I haven't logged since early October and I'm still dead on the weight I was then. I've been up and down a tad as I've run more or fewer miles, but I've been able to use my natural hunger cues to maintain and have used the information I learned while logging to make intelligent, adult choices about what to eat whether I cook at home, pack a lunch, or pick from a menu.0 -
Why? When you eat in moderation regularly, you get used to that amount of food, and you shouldn't want to stuff yourself with large amounts of food.
Maybe for some people. Here is what happened to me after 5 months of eating to my MFP calorie limit and then not logging:
http://i.imgur.com/ijSkLog.jpg
So are you saying you stopped logging in March and then your weight started to go back up? Did you eat the same foods and not log them or did you eat different foods and not log them? I don't understand what that has to do with eating in moderation or not. You can choose to eat foods you like in moderation and log them, or choose to eat foods you like and not log them. I think what you are trying to say is that if you don't log it, then you are lacking in the self control to stop eating those foods you like. If that is what you are saying, then I think the answer is to keep logging. Not that you can't eat the foods you like. You just need to log them so you have some indicator of when to stop. It still comes down to calories in vs calories out, but logging provides you quantitative data of how many calories are coming in vs going out.0 -
I'd like to see if an analogy will make this discussion clearer.
One of the things I enjoy doing is laying in bed for hours reading. I also love my job. My job does not involve laying on the bed reading. I actually wouldn't apply for a job like that. It would be boring. My job can be stressful, etc but I would do it for free. Even if I didn't love it, I need to support myself as an adult.
In the same way, I had many options for lunch. I chose foods that I enjoy while keeping my nutritional needs and hunger level in mind. There was ice cream available. I considered it but it didn't sound like lunch, and I had ice cream yesterday and don't need to make it a habit (because I'm an adult and can make rational choices). I would have enjoyed it, but I probably enjoyed the au gratin potatoes as much...and the green beans were delicious too.
When I say "you should eat what you want" I mean something similar to "you should enjoy your job"0 -
I'd like to see if an analogy will make this discussion clearer.
One of the things I enjoy doing is laying in bed for hours reading. I also love my job. My job does not involve laying on the bed reading. I actually wouldn't apply for a job like that. It would be boring. My job can be stressful, etc but I would do it for free. Even if I didn't love it, I need to support myself as an adult.
In the same way, I had many options for lunch. I chose foods that I enjoy while keeping my nutritional needs and hunger level in mind. There was ice cream available. I considered it but it didn't sound like lunch, and I had ice cream yesterday and don't need to make it a habit (because I'm an adult and can make rational choices). I would have enjoyed it, but I probably enjoyed the au gratin potatoes as much...and the green beans were delicious too.
When I say "you should eat what you want" I mean something similar to "you should enjoy your job"
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I understand this! Sometimes savoring is not as satisfying as stuffing. But I see the solution being thanksgiving Christmas and birthdays. This adds up to 6times a year for me. I can't kill my diet by going crazy 6 days a year just like I can't lose weight fasting 6 days a year.I just miss food in large quantities. I want to eat three cookies! Or a big bowl of pasta. Or a couple huge waffles with butter and maple syrup. Pizza until I'm stuffed. A sandwich on a hunk of French bread. A cinnamon bun the size of a plate.
Clearly, what I really miss is crappy processed carbs. And I don't even intentionally eat low-carb! It's just that everything like that has so many calories.
It works for me.0
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