Ketosis/High Fat Diet
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He might be right about logging but Keto does fix the cravings for lot of people.
Keto forums are full of non-calorie-counting people complaining about lack of weight loss.
Keto isn't any better than anything else at fixing "cravings".
If people want to eat that way (and I did, for a long time) it's totally fine - there's nothing "wrong" with keto. But the health benefits often claimed for it are complete bunk.
Good luck to the OP!
What keto forums are you looking at? Certainly not the ones I've seen. I do see people talking about issues on a keto diet (although no more so than other weight loss forums) but those issues are rarely lack of weight loss and almost never are "I'm going hungry." To that end, a lot of keto forums are full of people who do track calories/macros. While I'm with you on some of the health benefits being overstated (and more often than not you see people vilifying carbs unnecessarily), I don't really see the benefit in overgeneralizing and inaccurately representing the situation either.0 -
He might be right about logging but Keto does fix the cravings for lot of people.
Keto forums are full of non-calorie-counting people complaining about lack of weight loss.
Keto isn't any better than anything else at fixing "cravings".
If people want to eat that way (and I did, for a long time) it's totally fine - there's nothing "wrong" with keto. But the health benefits often claimed for it are complete bunk.
"Keto isn't any better than anything else at fixing "cravings"."
It is medically proven, unfortunately most of the research on this comes from Sweden.
"But the health benefits often claimed for it are complete bunk."
This is the biggest bunk? Got any proof.
I am not making up things, I lost 34 pounds from December 1st when I went to Keto, I measure my RMR,Vo2,Co2, RER, BF% every two weeks in the most accurate machines available. My BF% just fell like crazy, my Metabolism up by 18% and lost 9-10 inches of waist. Heck I even ran a half marathon last week and came third. All being in Keto. Its not very uncommon, I work with a guy who trains six professional athletes. If you don't know about something, don't call it bunk. I don't go preaching every one to follow or not follow Keto. Decide for yourself and see what works.0 -
Keto isn't any better than anything else at fixing "cravings".
Ugh, no.
I was a bonfide high carb addict. I was an obese kid, teen, and struggled in my early adult years from serious control issues with bread, pasta, sweets. Keto/high fat/low carb eating kicked me of all of my habits, except sweets, which I finally have learned to control. It was a miracle for my cravings and learning out to control what I put in my mouth.
Now? I don't even keto and yet a good 70% of what I eat is meat, veg, and fat, all because I love eating that way. I can go years without craving pizza, pasta, bread, or any such thing; those things now have ZERO hold over me. I don't "fight" with cravings anymore, and have no control issues. The only reason I'm not fully high fat/low carb is because I still love sweets, and wanted to find a way to fold those into my diet in ways that allowed me to indulge, but not wreck my goals.
I did the "eat everything in moderation as long as you cut calories" road. Did NOTHING for my cravings and just made losing weight so much harder. Keto was a wonder diet for breaking me out of the high carb/weight gain cycle.0 -
I am all about personal preference, if keto helps a person sustain their diet or feel fuller. Have at 'er.
For people who are nerds when it comes to learning about nutrition (like me) this video (while not totally on ketosis there is a lot of keto talk) is an amazing info-fest.
https://www.nsca.com/Videos/Conference_Lectures/Low-Carbohydrate_Diets_for_Athletes/0 -
I didn't ask you or anyone else to look through my diary and scrutinize what I'm doing... I asked to see examples of ketogenic meal plans. I frequently see the two of you doing the same thing to other posts so at least I know I'm not the only one.
Ignore the dude-bro. That's what I do. If you want to see what I eat, feel free to take a look at my diary. Been keto-ing since July.0 -
I love how a lot of people that know nothing about Keto keep making assumptions. Let's go through a few of them.
"Keto doesn't fix cravings" - Umm...yes it does. First week or 2 on Keto? No, but once adapted it will seriously fix your cravings in a number of ways. You stop binging because you are never starving from the high amount of fat on keto which also means you are satiated longer because of the fat and as such also have more sustained energy levels throughout the day. As you cut sugar and starches out of your diet and become Keto adapted, you no longer crave them either.
"Health benefits are bunk?" Says who? Here are real people all over who have done Keto (including myself) that have felt much better in a variety of ways since switching.
"Its unsustainable" - Please....You don't "need" carbs in your diet. If you decide to do Keto it is perfectly sustainable. Also Keto works as a lifestyle change more than a short term diet. So don't give me crap about it being unsustainable. And like someone else mentioned, what about all the people with epilepsy on Keto? They are sustaining and thriving just fine.
"You don't have to count calories or log food" - The idea behind this is that because of the filling and satiating nature of Keto, you will naturally eat less. While this is true, we often have warped views on portions so I and many other Keto'ers continue to measure, weigh and log food like anyone else. And guess what? Weight lost!
"Its not a magical diet" - of course its not magical. The same principles behind any diet of creating a caloric deficit is what makes you lose weight on Keto. The difference though is that Keto makes it so much easier to enjoy the foods you are eating, not feel like you are starving yourself, and puts your body in a metabolic state that will help you lose fat. Nothing magical about that. IT just makes it easier to maintain that caloric deficit. Just real facts right there.
Edit: And +1 for reddit Keto community. Lot's of good info over there.0 -
I love how a lot of people that know nothing about Keto keep making assumptions. Let's go through a few of them.
"Keto doesn't fix cravings" - Umm...yes it does. First week or 2 on Keto? No, but once adapted it will seriously fix your cravings in a number of ways. You stop binging because you are never starving from the high amount of fat on keto which also means you are satiated longer because of the fat and as such also have more sustained energy levels throughout the day. As you cut sugar and starches out of your diet and become Keto adapted, you no longer crave them either.
"Health benefits are bunk?" Says who? Here are real people all over who have done Keto (including myself) that have felt much better in a variety of ways since switching.
"Its unsustainable" - Please....You don't "need" carbs in your diet. If you decide to do Keto it is perfectly sustainable. Also Keto works as a lifestyle change more than a short term diet. So don't give me crap about it being unsustainable. And like someone else mentioned, what about all the people with epilepsy on Keto? They are sustaining and thriving just fine.
"You don't have to count calories or log food" - The idea behind this is that because of the filling and satiating nature of Keto, you will naturally eat less. While this is true, we often have warped views on portions so I and many other Keto'ers continue to measure, weigh and log food like anyone else. And guess what? Weight lost!
"Its not a magical diet" - of course its not magical. The same principles behind any diet of creating a caloric deficit is what makes you lose weight on Keto. The difference though is that Keto makes it so much easier to enjoy the foods you are eating, not feel like you are starving yourself, and puts your body in a metabolic state that will help you lose fat. Nothing magical about that. IT just makes it easier to maintain that caloric deficit. Just real facts right there.
Edit: And +1 for reddit Keto community. Lot's of good info over there.
Great post, This and other thing on it being restrictive. My non Keto friends drool over my diary because of the range of foods I eat.
OP, you can take a look at my dairy and certainly you won't see steak or bacon in it for more than 5 days a month.0 -
I love how a lot of people that know nothing about Keto keep making assumptions. Let's go through a few of them.
"Keto doesn't fix cravings" - Umm...yes it does. First week or 2 on Keto? No, but once adapted it will seriously fix your cravings in a number of ways. You stop binging because you are never starving from the high amount of fat on keto which also means you are satiated longer because of the fat and as such also have more sustained energy levels throughout the day. As you cut sugar and starches out of your diet and become Keto adapted, you no longer crave them either.
"Health benefits are bunk?" Says who? Here are real people all over who have done Keto (including myself) that have felt much better in a variety of ways since switching.
"Its unsustainable" - Please....You don't "need" carbs in your diet. If you decide to do Keto it is perfectly sustainable. Also Keto works as a lifestyle change more than a short term diet. So don't give me crap about it being unsustainable. And like someone else mentioned, what about all the people with epilepsy on Keto? They are sustaining and thriving just fine.
"You don't have to count calories or log food" - The idea behind this is that because of the filling and satiating nature of Keto, you will naturally eat less. While this is true, we often have warped views on portions so I and many other Keto'ers continue to measure, weigh and log food like anyone else. And guess what? Weight lost!
"Its not a magical diet" - of course its not magical. The same principles behind any diet of creating a caloric deficit is what makes you lose weight on Keto. The difference though is that Keto makes it so much easier to enjoy the foods you are eating, not feel like you are starving yourself, and puts your body in a metabolic state that will help you lose fat. Nothing magical about that. IT just makes it easier to maintain that caloric deficit. Just real facts right there.
Edit: And +1 for reddit Keto community. Lot's of good info over there.
Great post, This and other thing on it being restrictive. My non Keto friends drool over my diary because of the range of foods I eat.
OP, you can take a look at my dairy and certainly you won't see steak or bacon in it for more than 5 days a month.
LMAO, you chastise others for posting untrue things then praise a post that has untruths0 -
I love how a lot of people that know nothing about Keto keep making assumptions. Let's go through a few of them.
"Keto doesn't fix cravings" - Umm...yes it does. First week or 2 on Keto? No, but once adapted it will seriously fix your cravings in a number of ways. You stop binging because you are never starving from the high amount of fat on keto which also means you are satiated longer because of the fat and as such also have more sustained energy levels throughout the day. As you cut sugar and starches out of your diet and become Keto adapted, you no longer crave them either.
"Health benefits are bunk?" Says who? Here are real people all over who have done Keto (including myself) that have felt much better in a variety of ways since switching.
"Its unsustainable" - Please....You don't "need" carbs in your diet. If you decide to do Keto it is perfectly sustainable. Also Keto works as a lifestyle change more than a short term diet. So don't give me crap about it being unsustainable. And like someone else mentioned, what about all the people with epilepsy on Keto? They are sustaining and thriving just fine.
"You don't have to count calories or log food" - The idea behind this is that because of the filling and satiating nature of Keto, you will naturally eat less. While this is true, we often have warped views on portions so I and many other Keto'ers continue to measure, weigh and log food like anyone else. And guess what? Weight lost!
"Its not a magical diet" - of course its not magical. The same principles behind any diet of creating a caloric deficit is what makes you lose weight on Keto. The difference though is that Keto makes it so much easier to enjoy the foods you are eating, not feel like you are starving yourself, and puts your body in a metabolic state that will help you lose fat. Nothing magical about that. IT just makes it easier to maintain that caloric deficit. Just real facts right there.
Edit: And +1 for reddit Keto community. Lot's of good info over there.
Great post, This and other thing on it being restrictive. My non Keto friends drool over my diary because of the range of foods I eat.
OP, you can take a look at my dairy and certainly you won't see steak or bacon in it for more than 5 days a month.
LMAO, you chastise others for posting untrue things then praise a post that has untruths
Untrue?
LMAO. lets hear what you know about Keto and whats untrue.0 -
I love how a lot of people that know nothing about Keto keep making assumptions. Let's go through a few of them.
"Keto doesn't fix cravings" - Umm...yes it does. First week or 2 on Keto? No, but once adapted it will seriously fix your cravings in a number of ways. You stop binging because you are never starving from the high amount of fat on keto which also means you are satiated longer because of the fat and as such also have more sustained energy levels throughout the day. As you cut sugar and starches out of your diet and become Keto adapted, you no longer crave them either.
"Health benefits are bunk?" Says who? Here are real people all over who have done Keto (including myself) that have felt much better in a variety of ways since switching.
"Its unsustainable" - Please....You don't "need" carbs in your diet. If you decide to do Keto it is perfectly sustainable. Also Keto works as a lifestyle change more than a short term diet. So don't give me crap about it being unsustainable. And like someone else mentioned, what about all the people with epilepsy on Keto? They are sustaining and thriving just fine.
"You don't have to count calories or log food" - The idea behind this is that because of the filling and satiating nature of Keto, you will naturally eat less. While this is true, we often have warped views on portions so I and many other Keto'ers continue to measure, weigh and log food like anyone else. And guess what? Weight lost!
"Its not a magical diet" - of course its not magical. The same principles behind any diet of creating a caloric deficit is what makes you lose weight on Keto. The difference though is that Keto makes it so much easier to enjoy the foods you are eating, not feel like you are starving yourself, and puts your body in a metabolic state that will help you lose fat. Nothing magical about that. IT just makes it easier to maintain that caloric deficit. Just real facts right there.
Edit: And +1 for reddit Keto community. Lot's of good info over there.
Great post, This and other thing on it being restrictive. My non Keto friends drool over my diary because of the range of foods I eat.
OP, you can take a look at my dairy and certainly you won't see steak or bacon in it for more than 5 days a month.
LMAO, you chastise others for posting untrue things then praise a post that has untruths
Untrue? read the thread and show the proof.
"You stop binging because you are never starving from the high amount of fat on keto which also means you are satiated longer because of the fat and as such also have more sustained energy levels throughout the day. "
Numerous studies have shown fat is not satiating, off the top of my head the Holt et al study on satiety would be a good starting point. That one also found evil carby white potatoes to be the most satiating food in their tests.
"he difference though is that Keto makes it so much easier to enjoy the foods you are eating, not feel like you are starving yourself, and puts your body in a metabolic state that will help you lose fat."
Weird how tightly controlled studies that control for both protein and calories, show no significant difference in fat loss between high and low carb diets. So much for putting your body in a metabolic state that helps you lose fat
" Here are real people all over who have done Keto (including myself) that have felt much better in a variety of ways since switching."
Well that certainly settles it, me and some other people feel better therefore it has health benefits. Strong evidence0 -
I love how a lot of people that know nothing about Keto keep making assumptions. Let's go through a few of them.
"Its not a magical diet" - of course its not magical. The same principles behind any diet of creating a caloric deficit is what makes you lose weight on Keto. The difference though is that Keto makes it so much easier to enjoy the foods you are eating, not feel like you are starving yourself, and puts your body in a metabolic state that will help you lose fat. Nothing magical about that. IT just makes it easier to maintain that caloric deficit. Just real facts right there.
since you quoted me..that was exactly my point...Keto, low carb, IF, whatever are just tools that you use to create a calorie deficit...there is nothing magical about any of them...yet, people love to claim .."oh, I was in a deficit and not losing, and then I switched to X and started losing weight so calories in vs calories out do not apply to me" When in reality, they switched to X and it just helped them reduce calories to a point where they were in said deficit..
so we agree, it is calories in vs calories out not Keto or whatever that leads to weight loss..0 -
I've been eating the high protein / high fat / low carb way for a year and three months, and it's done wonders. I've added 20 lbs of muscle while losing all my fat. It works, and you get to eat A LOT.
Here's a post on how to lose the last 5 lbs.
http://leadingmuscle.com/2014/03/09/how-to-lose-those-last-5-pounds/0 -
I love how a lot of people that know nothing about Keto keep making assumptions. Let's go through a few of them.
"Keto doesn't fix cravings" - Umm...yes it does. First week or 2 on Keto? No, but once adapted it will seriously fix your cravings in a number of ways. You stop binging because you are never starving from the high amount of fat on keto which also means you are satiated longer because of the fat and as such also have more sustained energy levels throughout the day. As you cut sugar and starches out of your diet and become Keto adapted, you no longer crave them either.
"Health benefits are bunk?" Says who? Here are real people all over who have done Keto (including myself) that have felt much better in a variety of ways since switching.
"Its unsustainable" - Please....You don't "need" carbs in your diet. If you decide to do Keto it is perfectly sustainable. Also Keto works as a lifestyle change more than a short term diet. So don't give me crap about it being unsustainable. And like someone else mentioned, what about all the people with epilepsy on Keto? They are sustaining and thriving just fine.
"You don't have to count calories or log food" - The idea behind this is that because of the filling and satiating nature of Keto, you will naturally eat less. While this is true, we often have warped views on portions so I and many other Keto'ers continue to measure, weigh and log food like anyone else. And guess what? Weight lost!
"Its not a magical diet" - of course its not magical. The same principles behind any diet of creating a caloric deficit is what makes you lose weight on Keto. The difference though is that Keto makes it so much easier to enjoy the foods you are eating, not feel like you are starving yourself, and puts your body in a metabolic state that will help you lose fat. Nothing magical about that. IT just makes it easier to maintain that caloric deficit. Just real facts right there.
Edit: And +1 for reddit Keto community. Lot's of good info over there.
Great post, This and other thing on it being restrictive. My non Keto friends drool over my diary because of the range of foods I eat.
OP, you can take a look at my dairy and certainly you won't see steak or bacon in it for more than 5 days a month.
LMAO, you chastise others for posting untrue things then praise a post that has untruths
Untrue? read the thread and show the proof.
"You stop binging because you are never starving from the high amount of fat on keto which also means you are satiated longer because of the fat and as such also have more sustained energy levels throughout the day. "
Numerous studies have shown fat is not satiating, off the top of my head the Holt et al study on satiety would be a good starting point. That one also found evil carby white potatoes to be the most satiating food in their tests.
"he difference though is that Keto makes it so much easier to enjoy the foods you are eating, not feel like you are starving yourself, and puts your body in a metabolic state that will help you lose fat."
Weird how tightly controlled studies that control for both protein and calories, show no significant difference in fat loss between high and low carb diets. So much for putting your body in a metabolic state that helps you lose fat
" Here are real people all over who have done Keto (including myself) that have felt much better in a variety of ways since switching."
Well that certainly settles it, me and some other people feel better therefore it has health benefits. Strong evidence
Numerous studies have shown fat is not satiating, off the top of my head the Holt et al study on satiety would be a good starting point. That one also found evil carby white potatoes to be the most satiating food in their tests.
" Quote them, and also what was their macros in the studies? The studies, numerous have shown that low carb high fat diets had more weight loss and satisfaction. However, once people went back to normal diets, most of them gained it back. In short term, low carb diets had significant advantage but over long term once the people were no longer controlled there was no significant advantage.
Weird how tightly controlled studies that control for both protein and calories, show no significant difference in fat loss between high and low carb diets. So much for putting your body in a metabolic state that helps you lose fat
Again not every study is Keto just because its low carb. Show me the macros of these studies. The keto is helpful because it stabilizes insulin levels. Lot of people who have metabolic syndrome go through insulin highs and lows, at the low point is when hunger starts. Its simple science.0 -
I love how a lot of people that know nothing about Keto keep making assumptions. Let's go through a few of them.
"Keto doesn't fix cravings" - Umm...yes it does. First week or 2 on Keto? No, but once adapted it will seriously fix your cravings in a number of ways. You stop binging because you are never starving from the high amount of fat on keto which also means you are satiated longer because of the fat and as such also have more sustained energy levels throughout the day. As you cut sugar and starches out of your diet and become Keto adapted, you no longer crave them either.
"Health benefits are bunk?" Says who? Here are real people all over who have done Keto (including myself) that have felt much better in a variety of ways since switching.
"Its unsustainable" - Please....You don't "need" carbs in your diet. If you decide to do Keto it is perfectly sustainable. Also Keto works as a lifestyle change more than a short term diet. So don't give me crap about it being unsustainable. And like someone else mentioned, what about all the people with epilepsy on Keto? They are sustaining and thriving just fine.
"You don't have to count calories or log food" - The idea behind this is that because of the filling and satiating nature of Keto, you will naturally eat less. While this is true, we often have warped views on portions so I and many other Keto'ers continue to measure, weigh and log food like anyone else. And guess what? Weight lost!
"Its not a magical diet" - of course its not magical. The same principles behind any diet of creating a caloric deficit is what makes you lose weight on Keto. The difference though is that Keto makes it so much easier to enjoy the foods you are eating, not feel like you are starving yourself, and puts your body in a metabolic state that will help you lose fat. Nothing magical about that. IT just makes it easier to maintain that caloric deficit. Just real facts right there.
Edit: And +1 for reddit Keto community. Lot's of good info over there.
Great post, This and other thing on it being restrictive. My non Keto friends drool over my diary because of the range of foods I eat.
OP, you can take a look at my dairy and certainly you won't see steak or bacon in it for more than 5 days a month.
LMAO, you chastise others for posting untrue things then praise a post that has untruths
Untrue? read the thread and show the proof.
"You stop binging because you are never starving from the high amount of fat on keto which also means you are satiated longer because of the fat and as such also have more sustained energy levels throughout the day. "
Numerous studies have shown fat is not satiating, off the top of my head the Holt et al study on satiety would be a good starting point. That one also found evil carby white potatoes to be the most satiating food in their tests.
"he difference though is that Keto makes it so much easier to enjoy the foods you are eating, not feel like you are starving yourself, and puts your body in a metabolic state that will help you lose fat."
Weird how tightly controlled studies that control for both protein and calories, show no significant difference in fat loss between high and low carb diets. So much for putting your body in a metabolic state that helps you lose fat
" Here are real people all over who have done Keto (including myself) that have felt much better in a variety of ways since switching."
Well that certainly settles it, me and some other people feel better therefore it has health benefits. Strong evidence
Numerous studies have shown fat is not satiating, off the top of my head the Holt et al study on satiety would be a good starting point. That one also found evil carby white potatoes to be the most satiating food in their tests.
" Quote them, and also what was their macros in the studies? The studies, numerous have shown that low carb high fat diets had more weight loss and satisfaction. However, once people went back to normal diets, most of them gained it back. In short term, low carb diets had significant advantage but over long term once the people were no longer controlled there was no significant advantage.
Weird how tightly controlled studies that control for both protein and calories, show no significant difference in fat loss between high and low carb diets. So much for putting your body in a metabolic state that helps you lose fat
Again not every study is Keto just because its low carb. Show me the macros of these studies. The keto is helpful because it stabilizes insulin levels. Lot of people who have metabolic syndrome go through insulin highs and lows, at the low point is when hunger starts. Its simple science.
Again read the Holt study, it doesn't deal with macros, it deals with isocaloric portions of various foods.
Had more weight loss? Why not focus on fat loss as the initial loss of water and glycogen on low carb/keto is well established, as well as the inferior lbm retention on such diets, which also contributes to greater weight loss
Right, due to keto magic you'd lose more fat than a low carb or higher carb diet.0 -
Lol. Fat is very satiating. How do I know? I actually do Keto. Don't need your "study", if there even is one saying its not when I am actually doing KEto and can tell you with complete 100% certainty that that statement alone is compelte garbage. And if you actually did Keto, you would understand. Instead you are arguing from a point of complete ignorance trying to spout of so called studies to support your side.
And yes calories still matter, Keto or not. But keto does change how your body uses energy, so that makes a difference and is what helps make Keto a great way to live. Is it magic? No. Its actually just how it works. If you want to call that "magic" that's just being stupid and ignorant.
And like I said it is a lifestyle, not a short term diet. Of course people gained it all back when they went back to eating a normal carb diet that got them fat to begin with. That's true of any diet.0 -
I love how a lot of people that know nothing about Keto keep making assumptions. Let's go through a few of them.
"Keto doesn't fix cravings" - Umm...yes it does. First week or 2 on Keto? No, but once adapted it will seriously fix your cravings in a number of ways. You stop binging because you are never starving from the high amount of fat on keto which also means you are satiated longer because of the fat and as such also have more sustained energy levels throughout the day. As you cut sugar and starches out of your diet and become Keto adapted, you no longer crave them either.
"Health benefits are bunk?" Says who? Here are real people all over who have done Keto (including myself) that have felt much better in a variety of ways since switching.
"Its unsustainable" - Please....You don't "need" carbs in your diet. If you decide to do Keto it is perfectly sustainable. Also Keto works as a lifestyle change more than a short term diet. So don't give me crap about it being unsustainable. And like someone else mentioned, what about all the people with epilepsy on Keto? They are sustaining and thriving just fine.
"You don't have to count calories or log food" - The idea behind this is that because of the filling and satiating nature of Keto, you will naturally eat less. While this is true, we often have warped views on portions so I and many other Keto'ers continue to measure, weigh and log food like anyone else. And guess what? Weight lost!
"Its not a magical diet" - of course its not magical. The same principles behind any diet of creating a caloric deficit is what makes you lose weight on Keto. The difference though is that Keto makes it so much easier to enjoy the foods you are eating, not feel like you are starving yourself, and puts your body in a metabolic state that will help you lose fat. Nothing magical about that. IT just makes it easier to maintain that caloric deficit. Just real facts right there.
Edit: And +1 for reddit Keto community. Lot's of good info over there.
Great post, This and other thing on it being restrictive. My non Keto friends drool over my diary because of the range of foods I eat.
OP, you can take a look at my dairy and certainly you won't see steak or bacon in it for more than 5 days a month.
LMAO, you chastise others for posting untrue things then praise a post that has untruths
Untrue? read the thread and show the proof.
"You stop binging because you are never starving from the high amount of fat on keto which also means you are satiated longer because of the fat and as such also have more sustained energy levels throughout the day. "
Numerous studies have shown fat is not satiating, off the top of my head the Holt et al study on satiety would be a good starting point. That one also found evil carby white potatoes to be the most satiating food in their tests.
"he difference though is that Keto makes it so much easier to enjoy the foods you are eating, not feel like you are starving yourself, and puts your body in a metabolic state that will help you lose fat."
Weird how tightly controlled studies that control for both protein and calories, show no significant difference in fat loss between high and low carb diets. So much for putting your body in a metabolic state that helps you lose fat
" Here are real people all over who have done Keto (including myself) that have felt much better in a variety of ways since switching."
Well that certainly settles it, me and some other people feel better therefore it has health benefits. Strong evidence
Numerous studies have shown fat is not satiating, off the top of my head the Holt et al study on satiety would be a good starting point. That one also found evil carby white potatoes to be the most satiating food in their tests.
" Quote them, and also what was their macros in the studies? The studies, numerous have shown that low carb high fat diets had more weight loss and satisfaction. However, once people went back to normal diets, most of them gained it back. In short term, low carb diets had significant advantage but over long term once the people were no longer controlled there was no significant advantage.
Weird how tightly controlled studies that control for both protein and calories, show no significant difference in fat loss between high and low carb diets. So much for putting your body in a metabolic state that helps you lose fat
Again not every study is Keto just because its low carb. Show me the macros of these studies. The keto is helpful because it stabilizes insulin levels. Lot of people who have metabolic syndrome go through insulin highs and lows, at the low point is when hunger starts. Its simple science.
The protein content of the 2 experimental diets was comparable—≈30% energy—but the KLC diet was high in fat (60% of energy; saturated fat, 21% of energy) and very low in carbohydrates (beginning with ≈5% of energy), whereas the NLC diet was low in fat (30% of energy; saturated fat, 9% of energy) and carbohydrates (≈40% energy).
Moreover, the reduction in fat mass over the 6-week trial was not significantly affected by diet (5.5 and 3.4 kg for NLC and KLC dieters, respectively; P = 0.111).
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.full0 -
Lol. Fat is very satiating. How do I know? I actually do Keto. Don't need your "study", if there even is one saying its not when I am actually doing KEto and can tell you with complete 100% certainty that that statement alone is compelte garbage. And if you actually did Keto, you would understand. Instead you are arguing from a point of complete ignorance trying to spout of so called studies to support your side.
And yes calories still matter, Keto or not. But keto does change how your body uses energy, so that makes a difference and is what helps make Keto a great way to live. Is it magic? No. Its actually just how it works. If you want to call that "magic" that's just being stupid and ignorant.
And like I said it is a lifestyle, not a short term diet. Of course people gained it all back when they went back to eating a normal carb diet that got them fat to begin with. That's true of any diet.
Phew, that settles it n=1. I take it you controlled calories and protein and varied the amount of carbs and fat to determine such?
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CFIQFjAF&url=http://www.ucsyd.dk/fileadmin/user_upload/om_uc_syddanmark/dokumenter/marianne_markers_kursus_NRO/110228_Holt%20et%20al%20Satiety%20index.pdf&ei=a7MgU8W7CsT40gGX7oGwCA&usg=AFQjCNFs2slWk_fQDFxzvNXXoPh-_xu4pA&bvm=bv.62788935,d.dmQ&cad=rja
Read the discussion section on fatty foods, but since you find it satiating it must be garbarge0 -
Oh I am liking the sound of this keto way of eating... I want to do it!!! If anyone would be kind enough to message me the high fat or typical foods you eat that would be great!!
Not eating great at the moment, I want to clean up my diet and this sounds like your always full and never hungry!? sounds great!!!0 -
Who gives a damn what a study says?
If you eat high fat and don't find it satiating, switch to something else.
If you do, and find it incredibly satiating, such as myself, be glad you found something that works.
What's the point of this tit-for-tat? If somebody declares that something works for themselves, no "proof" to the contrary matters.0 -
Who gives a damn what a study says?
If you eat high fat and don't find it satiating, switch to something else.
If you do, and find it incredibly satiating, such as myself, be glad you found something that works.
What's the point of this tit-for-tat? If somebody declares that something works for themselves, no "proof" to the contrary matters.
Yeah screw science, go anecdotes!0 -
Personally, I think it's a bad idea. It works short term. Then people crave carbs and snap. If you do it, maybe try carb cycling? At least then you can have those days where you don't feel like tearing your hair out and devouring a loaf of bread.0
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its not sustainable
carbs aren't evil
unless you have a medical reason for eating high carb low fat don't do it
preach.0 -
Who gives a damn what a study says?
If you eat high fat and don't find it satiating, switch to something else.
If you do, and find it incredibly satiating, such as myself, be glad you found something that works.
What's the point of this tit-for-tat? If somebody declares that something works for themselves, no "proof" to the contrary matters.
This. I seriously don't understand why everyone against low-carb/keto that don't understand it go so far to try to disclaim it.
Fat is satiating for me, and for really most if not all Keto'ers. That's what helps make Keto an awesome lifestyle. As opposed to my high carb pre-keto days of energy crashes throughout the day and periods of feeling starving, I've completely eliminated that and I'm losing weight. Sounds like a win to me. And its overall made me feel so much better. So yeah, you people who have never tried it, keep on going on about how bad it is. We Keto'ers have the advantage of having lived both lifestyles and Keto for me is now for life.
Also since it was brought up. Once your Keto adapted, you don't really crave the old carbs anymore. At least for me and I've read that from most other Keto'ers too. So really its a moot point.0 -
Who gives a damn what a study says?
If you eat high fat and don't find it satiating, switch to something else.
If you do, and find it incredibly satiating, such as myself, be glad you found something that works.
What's the point of this tit-for-tat? If somebody declares that something works for themselves, no "proof" to the contrary matters.
This. I seriously don't understand why everyone against low-carb/keto that don't understand it go so far to try to disclaim it.
Fat is satiating for me, and for really most if not all Keto'ers. That's what helps make Keto an awesome lifestyle. As opposed to my high carb pre-keto days of energy crashes throughout the day and periods of feeling starving, I've completely eliminated that and I'm losing weight. Sounds like a win to me.
Everyone is different I guess. Personally, I don't find fat satiating AT ALL. I could eat nuts all day and still be hungry and OD on fat basically.0 -
Who gives a damn what a study says?
If you eat high fat and don't find it satiating, switch to something else.
If you do, and find it incredibly satiating, such as myself, be glad you found something that works.
What's the point of this tit-for-tat? If somebody declares that something works for themselves, no "proof" to the contrary matters.
Yeah screw science, go anecdotes!
My body finds fat incredibly satiating.
Let me go and consult it and see if the aforementioned study changes it's mind...
Nope. Still zero f*cks given.
Oh well brah, I tried.0 -
Who gives a damn what a study says?
If you eat high fat and don't find it satiating, switch to something else.
If you do, and find it incredibly satiating, such as myself, be glad you found something that works.
What's the point of this tit-for-tat? If somebody declares that something works for themselves, no "proof" to the contrary matters.
This. I seriously don't understand why everyone against low-carb/keto that don't understand it go so far to try to disclaim it.
Fat is satiating for me, and for really most if not all Keto'ers. That's what helps make Keto an awesome lifestyle. As opposed to my high carb pre-keto days of energy crashes throughout the day and periods of feeling starving, I've completely eliminated that and I'm losing weight. Sounds like a win to me.
Sounds like you eliminated all potential confounders to determine that. The point was that someone got on another poster about spreading untruths, then praised a post with untruths since it agreed with his beliefs. One of those was fat being satiating, something you've done nothing to discredit0 -
Same here, put a pound of pasta in front of me and I wouldn't be able to finish it. Put a huge jar of peanut butter in front of me and I will finish it and look for moreWho gives a damn what a study says?
If you eat high fat and don't find it satiating, switch to something else.
If you do, and find it incredibly satiating, such as myself, be glad you found something that works.
What's the point of this tit-for-tat? If somebody declares that something works for themselves, no "proof" to the contrary matters.
This. I seriously don't understand why everyone against low-carb/keto that don't understand it go so far to try to disclaim it.
Fat is satiating for me, and for really most if not all Keto'ers. That's what helps make Keto an awesome lifestyle. As opposed to my high carb pre-keto days of energy crashes throughout the day and periods of feeling starving, I've completely eliminated that and I'm losing weight. Sounds like a win to me.
Everyone is different I guess. Personally, I don't find fat satiating AT ALL. I could eat nuts all day and still be hungry and OD on fat basically.0 -
Personally, I think it's a bad idea. It works short term. Then people crave carbs and snap. If you do it, maybe try carb cycling? At least then you can have those days where you don't feel like tearing your hair out and devouring a loaf of bread.
Hmm, yet it was sticking to a keto plan that killed my mad bread cravings.
I went from bread cravings every single day to eventually going easily without having bread for years at a time. Yes, years. And this was long after I was no longer dedicated to a keto-only plan.
I love MFP. The longer I stay here and read all the "facts", the more I'm amazed at how much of a special, snowflake, sunflower I must be since I've broken most of these "rules" and have lost 130lbs, and counting, in doing so.0 -
Same here, put a pound of pasta in front of me and I wouldn't be able to finish it. Put a huge jar of peanut butter in front of me and I will finish it and look for moreWho gives a damn what a study says?
If you eat high fat and don't find it satiating, switch to something else.
If you do, and find it incredibly satiating, such as myself, be glad you found something that works.
What's the point of this tit-for-tat? If somebody declares that something works for themselves, no "proof" to the contrary matters.
This. I seriously don't understand why everyone against low-carb/keto that don't understand it go so far to try to disclaim it.
Fat is satiating for me, and for really most if not all Keto'ers. That's what helps make Keto an awesome lifestyle. As opposed to my high carb pre-keto days of energy crashes throughout the day and periods of feeling starving, I've completely eliminated that and I'm losing weight. Sounds like a win to me.
Everyone is different I guess. Personally, I don't find fat satiating AT ALL. I could eat nuts all day and still be hungry and OD on fat basically.
I literally can not OD on peanut butter. It's way too much. I've read of people who can eat a half a jar in one sitting, some even a whole one. I can not even comprehend that.
Put a pound of pasta in front of me and I can go to town well beyond satiation. I grew up overeating high carb foods like air. I didn't discover natural, healthy hunger cues until I discovered HFLC.0 -
I love how a lot of people that know nothing about Keto keep making assumptions. Let's go through a few of them.
"Keto doesn't fix cravings" - Umm...yes it does. First week or 2 on Keto? No, but once adapted it will seriously fix your cravings in a number of ways. You stop binging because you are never starving from the high amount of fat on keto which also means you are satiated longer because of the fat and as such also have more sustained energy levels throughout the day. As you cut sugar and starches out of your diet and become Keto adapted, you no longer crave them either.
"Health benefits are bunk?" Says who? Here are real people all over who have done Keto (including myself) that have felt much better in a variety of ways since switching.
"Its unsustainable" - Please....You don't "need" carbs in your diet. If you decide to do Keto it is perfectly sustainable. Also Keto works as a lifestyle change more than a short term diet. So don't give me crap about it being unsustainable. And like someone else mentioned, what about all the people with epilepsy on Keto? They are sustaining and thriving just fine.
"You don't have to count calories or log food" - The idea behind this is that because of the filling and satiating nature of Keto, you will naturally eat less. While this is true, we often have warped views on portions so I and many other Keto'ers continue to measure, weigh and log food like anyone else. And guess what? Weight lost!
"Its not a magical diet" - of course its not magical. The same principles behind any diet of creating a caloric deficit is what makes you lose weight on Keto. The difference though is that Keto makes it so much easier to enjoy the foods you are eating, not feel like you are starving yourself, and puts your body in a metabolic state that will help you lose fat. Nothing magical about that. IT just makes it easier to maintain that caloric deficit. Just real facts right there.
Edit: And +1 for reddit Keto community. Lot's of good info over there.
Great post, This and other thing on it being restrictive. My non Keto friends drool over my diary because of the range of foods I eat.
OP, you can take a look at my dairy and certainly you won't see steak or bacon in it for more than 5 days a month.
LMAO, you chastise others for posting untrue things then praise a post that has untruths
Untrue? read the thread and show the proof.
"You stop binging because you are never starving from the high amount of fat on keto which also means you are satiated longer because of the fat and as such also have more sustained energy levels throughout the day. "
Numerous studies have shown fat is not satiating, off the top of my head the Holt et al study on satiety would be a good starting point. That one also found evil carby white potatoes to be the most satiating food in their tests.
"he difference though is that Keto makes it so much easier to enjoy the foods you are eating, not feel like you are starving yourself, and puts your body in a metabolic state that will help you lose fat."
Weird how tightly controlled studies that control for both protein and calories, show no significant difference in fat loss between high and low carb diets. So much for putting your body in a metabolic state that helps you lose fat
" Here are real people all over who have done Keto (including myself) that have felt much better in a variety of ways since switching."
Well that certainly settles it, me and some other people feel better therefore it has health benefits. Strong evidence
Numerous studies have shown fat is not satiating, off the top of my head the Holt et al study on satiety would be a good starting point. That one also found evil carby white potatoes to be the most satiating food in their tests.
" Quote them, and also what was their macros in the studies? The studies, numerous have shown that low carb high fat diets had more weight loss and satisfaction. However, once people went back to normal diets, most of them gained it back. In short term, low carb diets had significant advantage but over long term once the people were no longer controlled there was no significant advantage.
Weird how tightly controlled studies that control for both protein and calories, show no significant difference in fat loss between high and low carb diets. So much for putting your body in a metabolic state that helps you lose fat
Again not every study is Keto just because its low carb. Show me the macros of these studies. The keto is helpful because it stabilizes insulin levels. Lot of people who have metabolic syndrome go through insulin highs and lows, at the low point is when hunger starts. Its simple science.
The protein content of the 2 experimental diets was comparable—≈30% energy—but the KLC diet was high in fat (60% of energy; saturated fat, 21% of energy) and very low in carbohydrates (beginning with ≈5% of energy), whereas the NLC diet was low in fat (30% of energy; saturated fat, 9% of energy) and carbohydrates (≈40% energy).
Moreover, the reduction in fat mass over the 6-week trial was not significantly affected by diet (5.5 and 3.4 kg for NLC and KLC dieters, respectively; P = 0.111).
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.full
With 30% protein and 10% carbs, you won't be in ketosis, unless you are super human or starving
"The LC meals contained 38.8 g (660 kJ) protein, 39.2 g (1450 kJ) fat, 5.5 g (88 kJ) carbohydrate, and 2198 kJ energy. The MC meals contained 38.8 g (660 kJ) protein, 20.8 g (770 kJ) fat, 48.0 g (767 kJ) carbohydrate, and 2197 kJ energy. The menu plan is given in Appendix A⇓, which details the rotating menu with up to 9 meal options for each main meal and 3 sweet and 3 savory snack options. Additional meals were made up on request throughout the day. More information on the formulation of the meals is available by request from one of us (AMJ)."
This study is no way realistic to what a 25-65 year old would eat. They were on close to 600 K cal diet which is ridiculously low. The subjects were most likely induce in to ketosis through starvation. The beta-hydroxybutyrate level of 1.9milli molars at induction is hard to reach with nutritional ketosis. It sure was starving induced ketosis. The Harvard study, if you access to the library journals and others talk about the studies where the subjects were given 1200 cal diets. If you are in university, you can access it. How do I know this? I do a deeper research than reading the headlines.
. An easier experiment would be do a pizza test. Eat a pizza, the whole one with crust ( more cal right?), Next day under similar conditions, scrape the cheese, meat, fat and dump the crust. You will know which is more satisfying.0
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