Ketosis/High Fat Diet
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Ketosis sucks. Eat the way you plan to eat for life.0
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That's an opinion, not a fact. I don't find it sucks at all - I'm quite happy with my ketogenic diet, in fact. You claim in your profile you were a "yo-yo" low carb dieter ... which means you weren't committed to it or didn't need it or didn't have the willpower to execute it properly and stay on it. That doesn't mean it sucks, that means you failed to do it properly. You either do ketosis long-term or you research properly and do a CKD (cyclic ketogenic diet). Yo-yo-ing in and out of ketosis doesn't work.Ketosis sucks. Eat the way you plan to eat for life.
And a ketogenic diet is the way I do plan to eat for life, as do many others. It's also the way I *need* to eat for life. But thanks for your rather ignorant, blanket statement.0 -
That's an opinion, not a fact. I don't find it sucks at all - I'm quite happy with my ketogenic diet, in fact. You claim in your profile you were a "yo-yo" low carb dieter ... which means you weren't committed to it or didn't need it or didn't have the willpower to execute it properly and stay on it. That doesn't mean it sucks, that means you failed to do it properly. You either do ketosis long-term or you research properly and do a CKD (cyclic ketogenic diet). Yo-yo-ing in and out of ketosis doesn't work.Ketosis sucks. Eat the way you plan to eat for life.
And a ketogenic diet is the way I do plan to eat for life, as do many others. It's also the way I *need* to eat for life. But thanks for your rather ignorant, blanket statement.
I wasnt committed to it - didnt have the willpower - piss off! I was more committed to it than anyone.0 -
Ketosis sucks. Eat the way you plan to eat for life.
And if one intends to eat low-carb for life, does keto no longer suck?0 -
Ketosis sucks. Eat the way you plan to eat for life.
And if one intends to eat low-carb for life, does keto no longer suck?
It will still suck IMO. Not the way I would want to eat for life but each to their own.0 -
Ketosis sucks. Eat the way you plan to eat for life.
And if one intends to eat low-carb for life, does keto no longer suck?
It will still suck IMO. Not the way I would want to eat for life but each to their own.
I actually find that I like the taste of low carb and high fat foods. Much richer to me.0 -
Ketosis sucks. Eat the way you plan to eat for life.
And if one intends to eat low-carb for life, does keto no longer suck?
It will still suck IMO. Not the way I would want to eat for life but each to their own.
I actually find that I like the taste of low carb and high fat foods. Much richer to me.
I like them as well and high carb foods.
So now I can have bacon and egg breakfasts one day, porridge and fruit another, or mushroom omlette, or another day baked beans with egg on side and toast.0 -
This based on the fact you know everything, I assume? I've been doing this now for 39 full months, and never fallen off the wagon. Again, it's how I *need* to eat unless I want to bolus insulin for every meal - no thank you.
That's an opinion, not a fact. I don't find it sucks at all - I'm quite happy with my ketogenic diet, in fact. You claim in your profile you were a "yo-yo" low carb dieter ... which means you weren't committed to it or didn't need it or didn't have the willpower to execute it properly and stay on it. That doesn't mean it sucks, that means you failed to do it properly. You either do ketosis long-term or you research properly and do a CKD (cyclic ketogenic diet). Yo-yo-ing in and out of ketosis doesn't work.Ketosis sucks. Eat the way you plan to eat for life.
And a ketogenic diet is the way I do plan to eat for life, as do many others. It's also the way I *need* to eat for life. But thanks for your rather ignorant, blanket statement.
Good luck.
Check back with us in five years.
My money says you fall off the wagon and I'll give you 100-1 odds.
I love how some people think there's only one way to eat that's for everyone, and how any other way won't work, and condemn your efforts and herald your impending doom. What a supportive group...0 -
So you never NEEDED keto in the first place? Yet were "more committed to it than anyone?" ...Ketosis sucks. Eat the way you plan to eat for life.
And if one intends to eat low-carb for life, does keto no longer suck?
It will still suck IMO. Not the way I would want to eat for life but each to their own.
I actually find that I like the taste of low carb and high fat foods. Much richer to me.
I like them as well and high carb foods.
So now I can have bacon and egg breakfasts one day, porridge and fruit another, or mushroom omlette, or another day baked beans with egg on side and toast.
The only thing that SUCKS is slamming other people's intelligently-chosen dietary choices.0 -
Been doing it since January as well to drop body fat. I haven't lost tons of weight, but have dropped to 12.9% body fat. I am doing it under the guidance of a competition coach (he's been coaching for 20+ years), and it is definitely doable. Monday and Tuesday are low carb days for me, Wednesday through Friday are medium, and Saturday and Sunday are higher. There have been some bad days and my diary is definitely not perfect, but feel free to look at it to see how I make food fit. I have tried to include my favorite foods and things I enjoy so I don't feel deprived.
It sounds to me like you are low carbing it, not in ketosis. If you were, you would be having serious trouble maintaining your athletic performance.0 -
its not sustainable
carbs aren't evil
unless you have a medical reason for eating high carb low fat don't do it
I don't think carbs are evil but I'm having a difficult time dropping the last 10 pounds and wanted to mix it up.
low carb has nothing to do with last ten pounds..
Are you doing MFP method, TDEE method right now?
When is last time you adjusted your calories?
Do you own a food scale?
I weigh everything that goes into my mouth. Drinks, food, everything.
I do TDEE method.
For a the last couple months (Jan-Feb) I was eating 1400-1600/day and not really losing much. I recently dropped it back to 1200 because I lost the majority of my weight eating 1200 calories. Please spare me the 1200 calorie lecture... I wasn't losing at 1400.
If you happen to look through my diary this past week is the worst I've ever done. I have been binging and did quick add calories to account for them because I had no idea. I have started over today.
I know how to successfully lose weight. I've lost around 60 pounds. I am just so hungry lately, even if I up my calories to 1700-1800. I feel like no matter how much I eat I feel hungry all the time. That's why I wanted to look into ketosis... to see if it would help with hunger/cravings.
How much protein are you getting? Are you meeting your fat macro?0 -
What concentrated or high fat foods do you still include in your diet? Oil, sugar, flour and animal products, even in smaller quantities, will keep you fat.
<---eats oil, sugar, flour and animal products on a regular basis. 17.3% body fat last checked.0 -
Agreed - excess calories will keep you fat, regardless of if they're from butter or mounds of kale. The things mentioned above won't "keep you fat".What concentrated or high fat foods do you still include in your diet? Oil, sugar, flour and animal products, even in smaller quantities, will keep you fat.
<---eats oil, sugar, flour and animal products on a regular basis. 17.3% body fat last checked.
Heck, I'm a Type II diabetic and eat those things. I especially eat natural oils and animal products. Sugar almost never ...
But I *DO* eat flour - I've been known to indulge in a well-loaded 6" subway (double meat, double cheese, extra bacon, extra mayo - usually around 1100 calories) roughly 75 minutes before a heavy workout (especially HIIT) - because I need the 54g of carbohydrate for the workout...
I think there's also some confusion of terms here...
"KETOSIS"
... is simply a state of having elevated ketones in the body, and doesn't necessarily mean that you're burning FAT as your primary fuel source...
"KETO-ADAPTATION"
... is different - when ketosis progresses to a state where your body relies on mostly fat-sources for fuel instead of glucose. This is where most that adopt a keto-diet want to be, but not all actually get there.
Many people fail at the "keto" diet because they don't realize keto-adaptation takes LONGER than entering ketosis. Cycling carbs in/out of the diet may leave you in ketosis, but NOT keto-adapted.0 -
I wonder why vegans and vegetarians don't attract this much vehemence on MFP, restrictive as they are with their choices.
Or the entire societies that, by virtue of history and food availability, don't have access to loads of food groups.
You can cut out meat and it's perfectly socially acceptable but you cut out bread and sugar and all hell breaks lose..
I'm not a vegetarian but I would never try to force my low carb diet on one ..... I believe to each their own .... If you find something that works for you then great, do it... Doesn't mean it will work for everyone but its not worth getting in everyone else's business for....
My mother in law does HCG shots for heavens sake and I absolutely DONT believe in that but she's in her 60s and a grown a*# woman and I'm not going to tell her what to do....0 -
Bump for later.0
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After hearing my younger sister talk up Keto for a month or so, I started investigating. I have been experimenting with LCHF for the last two weeks (no, I do not log through this site on a regular basis, my diary will be useless for you).
It has been my personal experience that I have sustained energy throughout the day and drastically reduced hunger pains. The food that I am now eating is much more filling, and trying to remain LCHF has become easier and easier. Planning is key.0 -
After hearing my younger sister talk up Keto for a month or so, I started investigating. I have been experimenting with LCHF for the last two weeks (no, I do not log through this site on a regular basis, my diary will be useless for you).
It has been my personal experience that I have sustained energy throughout the day and drastically reduced hunger pains. The food that I am now eating is much more filling, and trying to remain LCHF has become easier and easier. Planning is key.
I completely agree... Pre low carb I would eat either cereal or a breakfast sandwich or oatmeal for breakfast and about two hours later I was STARVING and now I eat either avocado or bacon and eggs or Ham and pickle rolls (most mornings I am nauseas and that's the only thing I can stomach) and I often never get hungry at lunch time and have to remind myself to eat lunch to keep my blood sugar level. Same with lunch to dinner. I eat more on a schedule as opposed to before where I ate when I felt hungry which was allllllll the time0 -
I find a LCHF diet easier to maintain for me than any other lifestyle. I don't think my carbs are low enough to be ketogenic per se, but I do restrict them considerably (50-80 g per day generally). I feel much better on it -- my blood sugar is much more consistent and I have greater overall energy.
Now, I recently learned that I'm insulin resistant, so I have a stronger response to carbs (especially high glycemic carbs) than a normal person, so keeping my blood sugar consistent makes all the world of difference to me. But, for years I didn't know this was the reason why LCHF diets worked well for me. Occasionally, I'll indulge with more carbs than usual and afterwards, I always am reminded with why that's not a great idea for mel. So, that reinforcement loop helps me keep it LCHF for that reason.
I envy those that don't notice a difference -- who can eat all the carbs they want and it's all the same to them. I'm certainly not one of those people. I imagine that others who have carb sensitivity issues (even if unknown) end up seeing/feeling similarly on LCHF diets. So, LCHF diet is a relatively easy choice for me.0 -
Pretty sure you are not the OP there, chief, but nice try.What concentrated or high fat foods do you still include in your diet? Oil, sugar, flour and animal products, even in smaller quantities, will keep you fat.
<---eats oil, sugar, flour and animal products on a regular basis. 17.3% body fat last checked.0 -
Pretty sure you are not the OP there, chief, but nice try.What concentrated or high fat foods do you still include in your diet? Oil, sugar, flour and animal products, even in smaller quantities, will keep you fat.
<---eats oil, sugar, flour and animal products on a regular basis. 17.3% body fat last checked.
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